[10:07] <mac_v> djsiegel1: Similar to Bug #406438 > Bug #405426 , Bug #400383 are also not papercuts per-se [not a fix for something that most users consider painful.] , they could just be design suggestions but wouldnt be part of the papercut criteria
[10:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 406438 in netbook-remix-launcher "Panel clock applet should show only the time by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406438
[10:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 405426 in human-gtk-theme "Remove application icons from title bars" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405426
[10:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400383 in hundredpapercuts "Panel separator between clock and FUSA is not meaningful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400383
[10:34] <djsiegel1> mac_v: yes, you are right
[10:35] <djsiegel1> except about the separator in the panel
[10:35] <djsiegel1> all of these things are painful for me :)
[10:35] <djsiegel1> but I don't think they are painful for most
[10:35] <djsiegel1> except maybe the separator
[10:35] <djsiegel1> which is clearly ugly and using space poorly
[10:35] <mac_v> djsiegel1: ;p the separator also is not a papercut , but *do* remove it
[10:59] <djsiegel1> mac_v: you know what, I disagree
[11:01] <mac_v> djsiegel1: that is just a design *flaw*, i'm not sure how it improves/hampers usability?!
[11:02] <djsiegel1> these things that don't seem like pains really are
[11:03] <djsiegel1> djsiegel1: for example, text in title bars is not centered on the window, it's centered on the window minus the close, minimize, maximize buttons
[11:03] <djsiegel1> also, folder icons in Human are off-center
[11:03] <djsiegel1> most people would say that these are not pains
[11:03] <mac_v> djsiegel1: BTW, i *never* had the separator , i removed it since i use a vertical panel ;p
[11:03] <djsiegel1> but that's why we have a design team (in part), to find pains that people are not conscious of
[11:03] <djsiegel1> users can't identify them
[11:04] <djsiegel1> they would never report them as a paper cut
[11:04] <djsiegel1> and might not agree that they are painful
[11:04] <djsiegel1> it's very subtle
[11:04] <djsiegel1> sometimes the users can be right
[11:04] <djsiegel1> other times, something can be bad for them and they will thing it's not harmful
[11:05] <mac_v> djsiegel1: my reasons mainly , are that this is a very minor aspect , while there are other papercuts that could be part of the 100 , this could be done apart from the papercuts...
[11:05] <mac_v> I'm not saying dont remove it ... DO remove it 
[11:06] <djsiegel1> yes I know
[11:06] <djsiegel1> can you find two new paper cuts, one for r4 and one for r5?
[11:06] <djsiegel1> because r4 and r5 lost two
[11:06] <mac_v> it's been a few days since i watched papercuts, but will try to get you something 
[11:07] <djsiegel1> thanks
[12:39] <mac_v> djsiegel1:  Bug #164298 , Bug #404525
[12:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 164298 in ubuntu "Print to file should say "Export to PDF" instead of "Print to PDF"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164298
[12:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 404525 in gnome-power-manager "Laptop power status notification is uninformative" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404525
[12:41] <djsiegel1> yeah, those are good
[12:41] <djsiegel1> mac_v: I think the latter is invalid
[12:42] <djsiegel1> mac_v that person does not appear to be using human
[12:42] <mac_v> djsiegel1: that is true , read the title , the notification is not informative
[12:42] <djsiegel1> mac_v: I don't understand
[12:43] <djsiegel1> it is notifying you of brightness change
[12:43] <mac_v> just shows the brightness , but not the battery power status, this was discussed in ayatana
[12:43] <mac_v> mailing list
[12:43] <mac_v> Scott has partly fixed this problem , work is  alsmot done
[12:43] <mac_v> almost*
[12:43] <djsiegel1> ok, so, when you unplug, you'd like to see the "You are now running on battery" with info about % charge, time remaining?
[12:44] <mac_v> djsiegel1: yeah , a second bubble about the charge
[12:44] <mac_v> and time
[12:44] <djsiegel1> have you had any feedback from devs about this?
[12:44] <mac_v> yeah
[12:45] <djsiegel1> what did they say?
[12:45] <djsiegel1> mpt is looking into his spec
[12:46] <mac_v> djsiegel1: this depends on the work on Bug #399492 , upstream has accepted Scott's effort , and waiting for the completed patch
[12:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399492 in gnome-power-manager "Feature request : Possible improvements for notifications" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399492
[12:46] <djsiegel1> mac_v: mpt is now adding to the spec
[12:46] <mac_v> oh ok...
[12:50] <mac_v> djsiegel1: Bug #394184 , the post-extraction says "Open the destination" , this could be simplified to -> "Show files"
[12:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 394184 in hundredpapercuts "Simplify the file roller post-extraction dialogue window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/394184
[12:50]  * mpt waves to mac_v 
[12:50] <mac_v> mpt hi :)
[12:52] <djsiegel1> mac_v: add the "Export as PDF..." bug to r4, add the unplugged notification to r5 and update appropriate bugs with a link to mpt's spec change, and add the extraction dialog bug to any round with less than ten
[12:52] <djsiegel1> all are great finds!
[12:52] <djsiegel1> please and thank you
[12:53] <djsiegel1> mac_v: actually, I am thinking of invalidating the EoG papercut in r4
[12:53] <djsiegel1> it's very confusing
[12:53] <mac_v> djsiegel1: i cant add milestones :(
[12:53] <djsiegel1> ah, you can't add to milestones?
[12:53] <djsiegel1> we need a proper papercutters team next time around
[12:54] <mpt> mac_v, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD?action=diff&rev2=172&rev1=170
[12:54] <mac_v> djsiegel1: only the concerned devs have the privilages
[12:55] <mac_v> mpt: \o/ , also i'v sent a set of the notify-osd icons *vertical* to kwwii 
[13:10] <mpt> I need to read that g-p-m bug report in more detail, it probably doesn't cover everything people commented on
[13:11] <mpt> In Jaunty I specced as few g-p-m changes as possible, because I was told it would soon be replaced by DeviceKit-power and therefore making major changes would be a waste of time.
[13:11]  * mpt -> lunch
[15:29] <mac_v> mpt: the notify-osd task *needs* to be done , the icons from the Ubuntu notify-osd are labelled different from the gnome notifications , these changes are done in notify-osd
[15:30] <mpt> mac_v, ah, for battery icons?
[15:30] <mac_v> mpt: yeah
[15:35] <mpt> mac_v, I see, sorry, my mistake
[15:35] <mac_v> mpt np... kindly reassign it
[15:37] <mpt> mac_v, but why are the battery icons any of Notify OSD's business? It's gnome-power-manager sending them, isn't it?
[15:37] <mpt> and then Notify OSD displays them just like it does for any other icon
[15:38] <mac_v> mpt: if the patch is written in gpm then ubuntu will have to maintain a patch over the gnome gpm , but if we patch notify-osd instead , this is easier
[15:38] <mac_v> mpt: similar, is already done for wireless notifications
[15:39] <mpt> hmmmmmm
[15:39] <mpt> you have a point there
[15:39] <mpt> If Notify OSD uses custom icons for volume, brightness, and wireless, it should for power too
[15:39] <hyperair> there are power notifications?
[15:40] <hyperair> i wasn't aware
[15:40] <mac_v> mpt: AFAIK all icons are changed in notify-osd , but for sure i know about wireless icons
[15:40] <mac_v> hyperair: we are adding power notifications
[15:40] <mac_v> hyperair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD?action=diff&rev2=172&rev1=170
[15:40] <hyperair> i see
[15:40] <hyperair> i thought it was added sometime back then removed again?
[15:43] <mpt> mac_v, hyperair, those power notifications come from gnome-power-manager, which has always produced them (well, at least as long as notification-daemon has been part of Gnome)
[15:45] <hyperair> hmm i haven't been seeing them recently
[16:00] <mac_v> hyperair: they were *blocked* in Ubuntu , since they were considered redundant/uninformative , but now the notifications are being changed
[16:00] <hyperair> aha i see
[16:00] <hyperair> yeah i did hear something of that sort
[16:01] <mac_v> hyperair: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/399492
[16:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399492 in gnome-power-manager "Feature request : Possible improvements for notifications" [Wishlist,In progress] 
[17:36] <mac_v> djsiegel1: Bug #407116 this is a simple fix too , the gconf must be set to 0
[17:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 407116 in hundredpapercuts "The thumbnail of an image should not be bigger than the image itself" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407116
[17:39] <mac_v> nope scratch that... that causes an ugly behavior
[19:18] <MDC2> any X developer here?
[19:18] <MDC2> or just someone who knows a little bit about X stuff..
[20:48] <aboSamoor> Hi, I installed kde 4.3 over ubuntu and now all the notification is messed up, can you help me ?
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> aboSamoor - you want #ubuntu for support
[21:16] <aboSamoor> chrisccoulson, I am running karmic