[00:03] that looks like some more MIR work coming up ^^^ === asac_ is now known as asac [00:08] ewoerner: please add a bug report about it (unless it already exists) ... will need some work to get libgps included in the supported part of ubuntu [00:09] a|wen: i currently don't have any launchpad account [00:09] that's why the quick drop-by ;-) [00:10] ok i renamed .kde [00:10] and started a new one [00:10] working [00:10] :| [00:10] i hate this [00:10] but 4.3.0 is nice [00:10] :D [00:10] and compiz works too [00:10] oh, and the gps support in marble is provided by a plugin [00:11] i love th etree view in systemsettings [00:11] its like kcontrol [00:11] i love it [00:11] :) [00:15] ewoerner: the plugin is in kdeedu source? [00:15] a|wen: yes [00:15] marble/src/plugins/positionprovider/gpsd [00:16] ewoerner: bug 409104 <-- Riddell [00:16] Launchpad bug 409104 in kdeedu "kdeedu should builddepend on libgps-dev for marble gps support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409104 [00:17] just out of curiosity: what does MIR mean? [00:18] ewoerner: Main Inclusion Report ... we need to get them in main (part of officially supported ubuntu) to build and use them [00:18] ah [00:20] ok, thank you [00:20] night everybody [00:20] 9.04 update to KDE 4.3 wants qt 4.5.1 but only 4.5.0 is found - is that known? [00:23] milian: you temporarily needs to add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main" [00:24] milian: the new qt didn't want to copy (damn PPAs); will work as soon as qt finishes building in the backports ppa [00:33] * shtylman is still fighting with qt model/view and KCategorizedView [00:33] * shtylman and is loosing... [00:33] a|wen: so it will be fixed eventually? I can wait a few days ;-) [00:34] * a|wen cheers on shtylman [00:34] milian: sure ... it is already building, so it is a matter of a few hours [00:35] ok, great - thanks! [00:35] btw, which qt version is cooking there right now? [00:35] 4.5.1? [00:35] would be a shame... [00:35] -shame +waste of time [00:35] 4.5.2 [00:35] yes, very good :) [00:35] ok, then I'm off to bed, waiting for tomorrow [00:35] thanks all [00:36] who mantain kubuntu-backpors ppa? [00:36] milian: nn, good luck with kde 4.3 tomorrow [00:37] 4.3 in jaunty require qt 4.5.1 [00:37] but is not available in jaunty [00:37] gon: you temporarily needs to add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main" - the new qt didn't want to copy (damn PPAs); will work as soon as qt finishes building in the backports ppa [00:37] * a|wen feels like repeating himself [00:38] ! [00:39] thanks =) [00:39] the new qt should luckily finish build in less than 4 hours [00:41] =) [00:43] hmmm the system wont start compiz automaticly seems to be an little bug [00:43] :) [00:43] but the rest works fine === vorian is now known as v === v is now known as vorian [01:04] * shtylman wants the new qt and hopes it resolves his problems...but probly wont.... (tear) === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [01:31] Riddell: [01:31] http://imagebin.ca/view/56JlIijO.html [01:31] that is my usability mockup for the printer screen [01:31] cor [01:31] when the user clicks the printer settings icon..that would open up...and they navigate everywhere from here... [01:31] thoughts? [01:31] shtylman: open up how? within the same window? [01:31] yea [01:32] a kcmmodule or whatever they are called [01:32] settings might open up a new window...but I would prefer to keep it in the same window [01:32] maybe have a breadcrumb up top...or not... [01:32] dunno yet.. [01:32] system settings is ment to be all within one window really [01:32] looks lovely to me, as ever check with celeste [01:32] k [01:32] mainly...I want this to be the first screen they see [01:33] and if there are no printers maybe a hint to *add* some [01:33] this will also work well for people with lots of network printers (that might have been autodetected) [01:33] seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/56JlIijO.html [01:33] I am aiming to have that be the entry point for all printer configuration related activities... [01:34] dtchen: pulseaudio-module-rygel-media-server--dbg ? [01:34] is that double dash intended? [01:34] Riddell: there was one more action I wanted to add...but for the life of me can't remember it right now... [01:37] shtylman: so i guess youre not using the previous design proposal? [01:37] shtylman: is that the SS menu or is that after you click on the SS printer object? [01:38] that is after you click the SS printer object [01:38] seele: so...the reason I wanted to design it like this is two fold... [01:39] I think that the one column icon list can become too cluttered for people with multiple printers... [01:39] I can do a mockup with one column if you like? [01:39] it is easy to do [01:39] well the thing is, the design was created so it would fit in with all the other KCMs [01:40] my main fear is when the number of printers gets large (think networked printers) then a single column no longer works well...at least not without a search box [01:40] k [01:40] lemme try a single column list really quick... [01:40] i think the primary use case we designed for was home user, not large networked office user [01:40] (that info should be on the printing wiki page i think) [01:40] k [01:40] * Riddell snoozes [01:41] oh..and another problem was that you can't have menus [01:41] this means that I can't have a settings menu and instead need to bring the *settings* type options into a list or buttons [01:41] how big is a large networked office? i work in a set of 2 townhouses in a company with only about a dozen people, and we have...maybe 8 printers? [01:42] wow wait..we have like one printer per person that actually works in the office instead of telecommuting [01:42] this includes an icon for add printer, settings, and (there was one more thing...I swear) but can't think of it... [01:43] shtylman: have you *seen* the old print design proposal? [01:43] like, the wireframes, not what has been done thusfar [01:43] * seele doesnt remember menu items [01:46] yea [01:46] you mean the pdf right? [01:46] seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/e8BhEb.html [01:46] better? [01:46] * shtylman is looking at a pdf that has wireframe mockups [01:50] I could even do a two column layout... [01:50] :) [01:50] so what do you think works best? [02:55] sheesh maco, you olf talk selection people are harsh [02:55] 2 YEARS IN A ROW - SHOT DOWN :( === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [07:06] hi. i get qt updates from backports, i guess the issue is solved with them and so staging is not need any longer on jaunty, am i right? [07:40] Blizzz: true [07:42] a|wen_: excellent. the staging-hint should be removed from the announcement then [07:42] ryanakca / Riddell: ^^ [07:44] Blizzz: indeed ... let's see when someone with website powers coma about [07:44] jep [08:54] folks upgrade from rc3 to 4.3 gives me: [08:54] The following packages will be REMOVED: [08:54] libkholidays4 [08:54] is that ok? [08:57] Nightrose: i suppose, korganizer still offers and shows them [08:58] heh [08:58] JontheEchidna: ^ [08:58] do you know? [09:04] Nightrose: libkholidays4 is gone, fine to remove [09:04] thx Riddell [09:19] just upgrade to 4.3 using kubuntu-ppa packages. Get this output before crash: http://pastebin.org/6624 [09:19] moved plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc out of the way. Still the same problem [09:19] known problem? [09:26] Stecchino: hmm crap, I suspect that's my fault [09:26] there's a patch in there which I didn't write very well and I havn't got round to fixing it [09:26] Riddell: aseigo in #plasma said something about the packages being borked [09:26] I should just remove it from the jaunty package [09:27] Riddell: how long before i can test? [09:28] Stecchino: an hour probably [09:28] * Stecchino runs it in gdb to make sure [09:29] crap, no stack [09:30] kdebase-workspace-dbg may help [09:38] oh, I installed kdebase-dbg [09:39] Riddell: nope, already had the -dbg really can not get a stack trace [09:40] gdb plasma-desktop args=--nofork [09:41] Riddell: stacktrace: http://pastebin.org/6626 [10:19] Riddell: did you fix it? [10:20] Riddell: nevermind answer is on cdimages :) [10:23] davmor2: hum, no http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805/livecd-20090805-i386.out [10:23] I wonder why not [10:23] cups [10:23] 64bit is another issue though [10:23] yeah but system-config-printer-kde should be sorted [10:23] let me look [10:26] ah Riddell has cups been hal depreciated? if so then it might just be a cast of changing the seed so it doesn't pull in the hal-cups-utils. I am thinking out aloud here so feel free to mock :) [10:26] erk kubuntu-desktop depends directly on hal-cups-utils [10:26] you are entirely correct [10:28] Riddell: Yay is slowly learning to diagnose stuff from error messages :) [10:33] Riddell: package build? [10:34] Stecchino: yes should be, try an update, you're looking for kdebase-workspace - 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa4 [10:37] davmor2: new kubuntu-meta uploaded, we'll need to wait for it hit the archives then I'll rebuild the CDs [10:38] Riddell: Yay :) [10:42] Riddell: it's fixed [10:42] thx [10:43] Stecchino: ok sorry about that, I really need to find an hour to fix that patch [10:44] Riddell: asiego offered to help BTW [10:45] Stecchino: I have notes from him from when he looked at the patch, it's just silly coding errors of mine but I've utterly failed to find the time to look at it [10:45] maybe today I will, keep poking me [10:51] bug #408962 [10:52] Launchpad bug 408962 in plasma-runner-kopete "plasma-runner-kopete needs updating to version 0.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408962 [10:52] Riddell: ^ [11:00] Quintasan: let me look [11:03] Quintasan: 0.3 is already in the archive [11:05] -_- [11:05] really? [11:05] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-runner-kopete says so [11:05] some chap called Michał Zając packaged it [11:06] That would be me, but I don't remember doing it for 0.3 O_O [11:06] ha ha :) [11:08] Riddell: Well, if you have some time please take a look at - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kpassgen [11:09] NCommander: did you need that CD I burnt? [11:10] Riddell, no, because my HDD committed suicide [11:10] poor thing [11:26] Quintasan: commented [11:26] revu login doesn't seem to work in arora :( [11:27] I think I found alternative to Acetone ISO since it uses too copyright images and upstream was too busy/lazy to give me a reply [11:42] hi [12:03] hmmm i think i found a bug :D [12:03] -_- [12:03] maybe [12:22] update notifier icon is missing in kde 4.3 rc3 and final (at least) [12:22] known problem? [12:23] missing icon ? in the systray looks rather ugly [12:27] NCommander: the restart icon changed name [12:27] Nightrose: rather [12:27] so that won't get shown [12:31] ok [12:31] * Nightrose just saw the new KDM theme for the first time [12:31] sooooo beautiful [12:34] exclusive to Kubuntu too :) [12:34] (and any other distro that applied the patch) [12:35] hehe [12:37] fellows anyone wants to test something with kde 4.3.0 and copiz as dafault wm [12:37] hmm after logging in, when the loading is shown I get a blackish wallpaper - not sure if I set that at some point or if that is a kubuntu thing [12:37] there is a little weird bug [12:37] can I change that somewhere? [12:37] it doesn't fit with air at all [12:37] * Nightrose can't find where to change that [12:38] i changed kdm style lol to the old one and i get the blue walli between loadings [12:38] rofl [12:38] kde 4.3.0 isnt starting compiz as default wm seems to forget to load the option [12:38] oO [12:40] ahhhh [12:40] splash screen in system settings [12:40] but i can't seem to change the wallpaper [12:41] * Nightrose installs new theme [12:43] hmmm doesn't work [12:44] Nightrose: no black wallpaper from us, it's the default KDE blueish one [12:44] Nightrose: set it with right click on desktop -> Desktop Settings [12:44] Riddell: you get a blue wallpaper when the splash screen shows? [12:45] no i don't mean the real desktop wallpaper [12:45] Nightrose: the startup ksplash? yes [12:45] jep [12:45] hmmm [12:46] * Nightrose is puzzled [12:48] aha! [12:48] all the other air splash screens on kde-apps probably try to replace the one i already have [12:48] downloading another one works [12:50] Riddell: we got a new iso yet? [12:52] davmor2: yes but I the logs havn't synced yet so I don't know if it actually built a new live fs [13:05] davmor2: hmm, looks like it failed on a random mirror issue http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805.1/livecd-20090805.1-amd64.out [13:06] no, same old udev/hal conflict issue http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805.1/livecd-20090805.1-i386.out [13:18] hi, somebody has a blackscreen with last upgrade to kde 4.3 final release in Karmic? [13:18] desaparecido: I got it... but i realized having start a blockbox session [13:20] s/blockbox/Openbox [13:21] micmord, with fluxbox (in my case) all it's ok, but in kde session is a black screen but i can access to programs by alt+F2 :) [13:22] i don't have internet access, even with knetworkmanager, i can't understand [13:24] Quintasan: lol, I uploaded it for you last night [13:27] JontheEchidna: in the mood to confirm an compiz startup bug :) [13:27] on 4.30 [13:28] * JontheEchidna doesn't use compiz [13:29] you dont need to use it normal only installed must it be [13:29] :D [13:29] ehm boah german grammar in english is bad ass [13:30] German must Yoda be :P [13:32] yeah [13:32] in german sounds like nur installiert muss es sein [13:32] :D [13:33] sounds ok [13:39] ghostcube: I am your father... [13:40] nah [13:40] oO [13:40] iam to old for this [13:40] * rgreening bradishes saber [13:40] :D [13:40] anyone can test this weird compiz startup bug [13:40] :) [13:41] * rgreening is knee deep in troubleshooting his system [13:41] hmm i had this last nght after update to 4.3 [13:42] and ended in mv .kde to .kde-old [13:42] :D [13:54] shtylman: ping [14:06] JontheEchidna: fyi: I uploaded a new Aurorae release with GHNS support [14:06] what's Aurorae mgraesslin? [14:07] SVG based theme engine for KWin [14:07] oh aye [14:07] there's a package in karmic kwin-style-aurorae [14:07] mgraesslin: cool, I'll check it out [14:08] mgraesslin: the page still looks 0.1.1ish: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Aurorae+Theme+Engine?content=107158 [14:12] at least the tarball really is 0.2 [14:12] somethings strange with kde-look [14:13] davmor2: I found another dependency on hal-cups-utils, so it'll be another couple of hours before that fix gets into the archive [14:13] if I click window decorations -> native there it says 0.2 [14:13] seems to be some caching problems [14:16] JontheEchidna: :D [14:16] hmm [14:16] How do I check what graphic driver I'm using? [14:16] glxinfo grep Vendor [14:16] /var/log/Xorg.0.log is helpful [14:18] radeon [14:18] hmm [14:18] Quintasan: move .kde worked [14:18] all fine again now [14:18] seems the updates didnt like my settings [14:18] :D [14:18] see, I told you :P [14:19] but the compiz problem is weird [14:20] urgh, jockey-kde is boked [14:20] borked* [14:25] k, let's try fglrx [14:26] * Quintasan has sad experience with fglrx [14:29] Riddell: meh okay :) [14:37] hi, i have a problem with kde 4.3 session, a blackscreen.. (after last upgrade, in karmic), somes ideas??? [14:37] Riddell: w.k.o/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic says "Get rid of archive and downloads on the left", mind if I set in to only show the archive on say, www.k.o/news ? [14:39] ryanakca: don't want want a news block somewhere? [14:39] so the main page is an intro to kubuntu and the news becomes just headlines in a block somewhere? [14:40] (which could include a link to www.k.o/news with the archives) [14:40] Riddell: Yes [14:41] Riddell: did you want to wait until I get it done before I move the "archive" block over? [14:41] by "archive" I mean the per month links to the stories / news [14:41] ryanakca: yeah I think so [14:44] is kde 4.3.0 checking if glx is possible to enable or is it default setting [14:44] tthat effects are on [14:45] as expetec of fglrx [14:46] * quintasan1 rages [14:49] yeah [14:50] grrr === agateau__ is now known as agateau [15:03] I got problem on upgrade to KDE4.3, after three upgrade kde-icons-oxygen works. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248018/ [15:36] bug 409357 [15:36] Launchpad bug 409357 in oxygen-icons "package kde-icons-oxygen not installed failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/actions/pointer.png , which is also in package step" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409357 [15:55] micmord: fix uploaded, thanks [15:55] was a typo at fault [15:55] sudo apt-get -f is youre friend [15:55] :) [15:56] but the update had noticed many dpkg errors [15:56] i needed apt-get -f install 3 times [15:56] till my kde 4.3 was on machine [15:56] many overrides [15:56] writes [15:58] rgreening: I tried usb-creator-kde but something broke, it told me to look in the log file but didn't say which log file [15:58] it seemed like hal crashed [15:59] rgreening: -gtk broke just the same so it's nothing specific to you [15:59] I'd added a fix for bug 390396 Next step is? To ping here? :) [15:59] Launchpad bug 390396 in kdebase ""About Me" in System Settings throws an error when changing details" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390396 [15:59] maybe I should poke evan [15:59] Riddell: Bille wants us to backport the knetworkmanager applet to our KDE 4.3 repo, I have it building in staging [15:59] JontheEchidna: yeah saw that, seems like a good idea [16:00] once the i386 builder gets off it's ass I'll copy it over to backports [16:00] allee: lovely [16:03] allee: very good, I'll add that to the packaging [16:04] thx [16:04] allee: inface you can just add it to the packaging if you want to [16:04] infact [16:06] Riddell: mhmm never done this. But that's a good reason to do it. bzr here am I ... [16:06] allee: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu [16:06] put it in debian/patches with a sensible name, add to debian/patches/series, dch -i and bzr commit [16:07] Riddell: ah, direct upload, no merge request necessary. great [16:08] a privilage of membership :) [16:13] Riddell: I just uploaded a fixed kds since the previous upload did ftbfs... [16:14] Riddell: I've been quite away since I'm building my own company to start my new job, I'll be in canada for 6 weeks starting next week, so presumably with plenty of available time... [16:14] can't wait [16:14] Tonio_: goodness, what's happening in Canada? [16:15] Riddell: well I'll be employed by a canonical partner, based there, so 6 weeks is for the integration to the company [16:15] Riddell: next to that I'll work in france, from home [16:16] Riddell: so despite the fact I'm quite away from kubuntu atm, this is pretty cool for the future, as this will help me contribute more [16:16] also since technically this company is my client, and I'll work on my own now :) [16:16] hopefully I'll finally be able to help in making karmic our best release ever... [16:17] I'm a bit ashamed of the relativelly poor level of contribution right now, but real life is sometimes the real priority ;) [16:17] s/the leve of contribution/my level of contribution/ :) [16:19] is the facebook plugin for kopete available for jaunty somwhere? [16:19] kde 4.3 [16:24] Nightrose: forget about it, it is buggy as hell :) [16:24] Nightrose: it won't refresh the contact list, just as for example [16:25] hmmm [16:25] * JontheEchidna packages newest konvi alpha [16:27] Tonio_: are there packages anyway? [16:27] * Nightrose would like to give it a try for fun and giggles [16:28] Nightrose: I don't think so, also, the backport shoudl be easy as long as kde 4.3 is packaged for jaunty [16:28] it is [16:28] Nightrose: I think it won't build with 4.2 afair [16:28] Nightrose: then you can just apt-get source && pbuilder, should work [16:28] meh - i thought i can avoid that - exam in twodays ;-) [16:29] as long as you have the backport reposiroty in your pbuilderrc [16:29] Nightrose: then go for the exams :) [16:49] Riddell: commited (plus a typo fix in kubuntu_17_abort_string.diff) [16:50] * allee runs to the biergarten [16:51] hey Riddell any joy yet? [16:54] davmor2: new package just hit the archive, let's try a rebuilt [16:59] allee: i did i spell cancel as "cancle" or some such? [16:59] Tonio_: Where will you be in Canada? [17:00] Any core-dev around that can sponsor bug 409406? [17:00] Launchpad bug 409406 in konversation "New upstream release (Konversation 1.2 alpha5)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409406 [17:01] ryanakca: nearby montreal [17:01] ryanakca: Sherbrooke [17:02] ryanakca: have to go, but we can discuss this later : [17:02] ;) [17:02] Yay [17:02] Tonio_: Eh, only four and a bit hours away, have fun :) === Zorael^2 is now known as Zorael [17:29] speaking of kopete-facebook... http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/557 [17:30] anybody take that one yet? [17:30] JontheEchidna: I had asked ryanakca to look at it I believe (not sure if it got done) [17:31] I see QtCurve has made yet another release (seriously, damn) so I'll work on that then [17:32] * JontheEchidna found this interesting: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2009/08/04/koffice-needs-you-and-we-need-koffice/ [17:34] davmor2: humph, still doesn't work [17:54] Riddell: quick question: where are the upstream tarballs for the kde-l10n-xx snapshots fetched from? [17:54] dpm: ftp.kde.org [17:54] pub/kde/stable/4.3.0/src/kde-l10n I think [17:56] well that's the releases, the snapshots are in pub/kde/unstable/.. [17:56] and appear sporadically [18:14] right, thanks [18:17] rgreening: You had asked me to do the plasmoid, I'm not sure who was doing the kopete plugin, Tonio_ was saying that "it is bugg as hell :)" a couple of hours ago [18:18] ah. right.... JontheEchidna, try it if you like. :) [18:18] thanks ryanakca [18:18] rgreening: As for the plasmoid, it's a bit of a PITA... plasma can't find the python module when I do a global install ( placing the files under /usr, using the same layout as ~/.kde ), I can't use plasmapkg since it requires X, [18:18] etc, etc. Feel like taking a look at it? [18:20] ryanakca: sure, got it posted/available somewhere? [18:24] ** jaunty testers needed for new network manager and python-kde4 [18:25] <_Sime> whatyousay riddell? [18:25] rgreening: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/plasma-widget-facebook_1.0-1.dsc [18:26] _Sime: trying jaunty packages of kdebindings, I came across an issue with PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py though, did you ever decide where that should be installed? [18:27] <_Sime> Riddell: someone has been looking into that problem and has changed the install location a few times. I hope they actually tested it too. ;-) [18:27] the kopete facebook plugin needeth a new qjson [18:27] rgreening: I'm trying a setup.py script, I can import the plugin from python. [18:27] s/plugin/plasmoid/ [18:29] _Sime: well PyQt4 seems a strange place to put a PyKDE module [18:30] and it happened to cause funny packaging issues in jaunty because PyQt4 itself is installed elsewhere so it ends up with two PyQt4s and python imports the wrong one [18:30] <_Sime> Riddell: it acts as an extension plugin. [18:33] rgreening: I think that all that might need to be done is to patch the metadata.desktop file so that it uses plasma_widget_facebook.main ... [18:56] JontheEchidna: did you have anyone test that new network manager? [18:59] Riddell: it's the same as what's in karmic currently [19:00] that means nothing [19:00] network manager is stupidly fragile, it needs testing in triplicate at every stage [19:06] i would test it if i had a panel, however since plasma-desktop refuses to load... *shrug* [19:06] maco: what's your problem? [19:06] plasma-desktop go boom? [19:07] http://pastebin.ca/1519463 [19:08] Riddell: ^ [19:10] maco: that doesn't tell much, do you get a backtrace? [19:10] gdb plasma-desktop args=--nofork [19:18] uhhh that doesnt work [19:19] args=--no-fork not found... [19:19] * maco looks through wiki [19:20] maco: gdb plasma-desktop [19:20] set args --nofork [19:20] run [19:20]