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| bac | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is bac. | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:00 |
| bac | hello everyone and welcome to the AMEU reviewer's meeting. | 15:00 |
| bac | who is here today? team leads will you help me round up your folks who may be tardy? | 15:00 |
| gary_poster | me, me me! | 15:00 |
| bigjools | me | 15:00 |
| rockstar | ni! | 15:00 |
| noodles775 | me | 15:00 |
| henninge | ich | 15:00 |
| leonardr | me | 15:00 |
| kfogel | hey | 15:00 |
| sinzui | me | 15:01 |
| bigjools | soyuz non-vacationing/non-seconded team members all correct and present SAH | 15:01 |
| abentley | me | 15:01 |
| bac | sinzui, EdwinGrubbs, salgado: registry team ping | 15:01 |
| rockstar | Code's here. | 15:01 |
| bac | sorry sinzu | 15:01 |
| bac | i | 15:01 |
| sinzui | o | 15:01 |
| sinzui | u | 15:01 |
| salgado | me! | 15:02 |
| EdwinGrubbs | me | 15:02 |
| bac | thanks bigjools | 15:02 |
| allenap | me | 15:02 |
| mars | me | 15:02 |
| bac | henninge: any more bug folks? | 15:02 |
| bigjools | bac: o7 | 15:02 |
| bac | will flacoste be joining us? | 15:03 |
| flacoste | i am | 15:03 |
| flacoste | me | 15:03 |
| henninge | bac: you mean translations? danilos? | 15:03 |
| bac | welcome back flacoste! | 15:03 |
| bac | henninge: yeah, that's what i meant. sorry. | 15:03 |
| bac | allenap: any of your cohorts around? | 15:03 |
| allenap | bac: I've just pinged them all... let's see.. | 15:04 |
| jtv | me | 15:04 |
| intellectronica | me | 15:04 |
| danilos | ok, ok, me too | 15:04 |
| danilos | :) | 15:04 |
| bac | welcome special guest kfogel | 15:04 |
| bac | [TOPIC] agenda | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 15:04 |
| * jtv applauds kfogel | 15:04 | |
| bac | * Roll call | 15:04 |
| bac | * Apologies: None | 15:04 |
| bac | * Action items | 15:04 |
| bac | * Mentoring update (leondardr/rockstar) | 15:04 |
| bac | * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) | 15:04 |
| kfogel | thanks bac, jtv | 15:04 |
| bac | [TOPIC] * Action items | 15:05 |
| bac | * Karl to update wiki about sponsoring contributions and take RFC to the mailing list. | 15:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Action items | 15:05 |
| kfogel | So, kfogel would like to know if that item is done or not. | 15:05 |
| kfogel | I wasn't sure what the original spec was; I improvised. Thoughts, folks? | 15:05 |
| bac | Thanks kfogel for taking care of that item. I read it and it looks good. | 15:05 |
| kfogel | bac: thank you. | 15:05 |
| salgado | where is it? | 15:05 |
| bac | Did anyone else get a chance to read karl's updates? | 15:05 |
| intellectronica | no, url? | 15:06 |
| kfogel | (most of the material was there already, actually -- barry and I put it there long ago) | 15:06 |
| * kfogel finds urls... | 15:06 | |
| bac | https://dev.launchpad.net/FixBugs | 15:06 |
| kfogel | okay, three: | 15:06 |
| kfogel | https://dev.launchpad.net/Patches | 15:06 |
| kfogel | https://dev.launchpad.net/FixBugs | 15:06 |
| kfogel | https://dev.launchpad.net/Reviews | 15:06 |
| kfogel | they interlink | 15:06 |
| bac | kfogel: are these all new pages or just additions to existing ones? | 15:07 |
| kfogel | the first two are directly linked from the top nav box on the home page | 15:07 |
| kfogel | bac: FixBugs is a new page | 15:07 |
| kfogel | bac: I updated Patches (and renamed it from PatchSubmission); I don't think I tweaked Reviews much. | 15:07 |
| bac | i think this is a good start. | 15:08 |
| intellectronica | i think we should avoid using the word "patch", because it might confuse people that are familiar with diff/patch but not with dvcs | 15:08 |
| bac | the process and our description on the wiki will evolve but i appreciate karl writing the first cut. | 15:08 |
| kfogel | I'd like to know what's missing; my email to the list didn't get much reaction AFAICT. | 15:08 |
| kfogel | Happy to add more (also happy for people to edit directly, of course!). | 15:09 |
| bac | intellectronica: do you have a suggested wording? | 15:09 |
| intellectronica | bac: branch | 15:09 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: I didn't quite understand: how will "patch" confuse people in that situation? | 15:09 |
| intellectronica | or changeset, if you want to talk about it in the abstract | 15:09 |
| kfogel | "change" ? | 15:10 |
| intellectronica | kfogel: they might think that we want them to produce a patch file, rather than a bzr branch | 15:10 |
| abentley | So I thought the idea was that when you wanted to fix a bug, for example, you found a sponsor and they guided you through the process, starting with some facimile of a pre-implementation call. | 15:10 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: ah. One way might be to simply explain at the top of the Patches page that the end result is a bzr branch, not an actual patch file. | 15:10 |
| kfogel | I think "patch" might still be the term of art for changes. | 15:10 |
| intellectronica | kfogel: yeah, i guess just stressing that might be enough | 15:11 |
| kfogel | abentley: if that's the idea, I'd like to suggest that we be more lightweight. It's certainly okay to do that, but people should also feel free to do more lightweight process... | 15:11 |
| EdwinGrubbs | The name "Patches" doesn't explain whether they can get patches on that page or learn how to submit patches. | 15:11 |
| bac | EdwinGrubbs: yeah, i think i prefer the old name PatchSubmission | 15:12 |
| kfogel | EdwinGrubbs, bac: I can revert, easy enough. | 15:12 |
| abentley | I try to refer to submitting a "change", rather than a patch. Even that's broken, though, because we deal in branches, and branches represent a state, not a change. | 15:12 |
| kfogel | so ACTION items so far: rename back to PatchSubmission; explain at top of page that 'patch' means 'branch'. I do think sticking with the accepted term for patches would be a good idea. It's what everyone uses, even when they're not trading actual patch files. | 15:13 |
| intellectronica | abentley: +1 i think change or changeset are good terms which are much less ambiguous | 15:13 |
| abentley | intellectronica: bzr doesn't have changesets, so I don't think that's a good term to use. | 15:13 |
| jtv | "improvement"? | 15:14 |
| intellectronica | abentley: we could call it revision, which is what bzr actually has, no? | 15:14 |
| abentley | intellectronica: But multiple revisions are often submitted. | 15:14 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: changeset is a technical term in VC; also, having tried to use it with lots of people, I find I often have to explain it. Many people already know "patch"; those few who don't, once they understand it, will be permanently enabled across the software ecosystem. | 15:14 |
| intellectronica | anyway, this turning into a theological discussion. sorry for starting. continue on the list? | 15:15 |
| kfogel | Let's reinforce the existing term, not try to promote a new term. (This is an old debate and an old effort, and it hasn't succeeded in dethroning "patch" yet, IMHO.) | 15:15 |
| kfogel | heh | 15:15 |
| deryck | I'm not sure people really get tripped up over thinking "patch" literally means a patch. The generic use of the term seems common to me. | 15:15 |
| bac | intellectronica: yes, good idea. | 15:15 |
| kfogel | okay, let's go with the two ACTION items above. Any others so far? | 15:15 |
| bac | thanks again to karl. please follow up to his email if you have further discussion. | 15:15 |
| bac | [TOPIC] * Mentoring update (leondardr/rockstar) | 15:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Mentoring update (leondardr/rockstar) | 15:16 |
| bac | rockstar: you have the floor | 15:16 |
| rockstar | leonardr has done an amazing job as a manatee since day one. His reviews are insightful and exploratory. I'm happy to announce his graduation. | 15:16 |
| leonardr | yay | 15:16 |
| rockstar | Congratulations leonardr | 15:16 |
| bac | whee | 15:16 |
| bac | congratulations leonard. | 15:17 |
| noodles775 | congrats leonardr ! | 15:17 |
| bac | with his graduation we are mentat-free, i believe. | 15:17 |
| kfogel | leonardr++ | 15:17 |
| bac | have we reached the goal of every developer being a reviewer? | 15:17 |
| rockstar | I believe so. | 15:18 |
| bac | excellent. i think that plan was hatched in our MIT sprint. congratulations everyone. | 15:19 |
| flacoste | and barry isn't here to join the fun! | 15:19 |
| flacoste | congratulations leonard | 15:19 |
| bac | [TOPIC] * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) | 15:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) | 15:19 |
| bac | does anyone have another topic to discuss? | 15:20 |
| bac | thanks for coming everyone. please do read the new wiki pages in detail and offer feedback. | 15:21 |
| bac | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:21. | 15:21 |
| abentley | bac: thank you! | 15:21 |
| jtv | thank you bac! | 15:21 |
| mars | thanks bac | 15:22 |
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