[01:51] <mneptok> anyone here have an Intel Atom platform running Jaunty with all updates applied?
[01:52] <mneptok> (netbook owners? anyone? Bueller?)
[01:54] <krisives> Nope :(
[02:00] <directhex> mneptok, wifey, it might not be 100% updated tho. why?
[02:00] <mneptok> directhex: Totem and VLC are failing miserably on 2 Atom platforms here. with multiple codec types, including Theora.
[02:01] <directhex> hm
[02:01] <directhex> remind me tomorrow
[04:46] <nenolod> hmm.  when trying to generate a jaunty or karmic chroot with debootstrap, i get a hang at "I: Configuring console-setup..."
[04:46] <nenolod> did something change today?
[05:31] <vimpulse> Sarvatt:  hey.  Could you please forward me your mail to the Xorg nv maintainer about nv-2.1.12-gf7025-gf7050.patch?
[08:36] <pitti> Good morning
[08:40] <RampagePS> good morning
[08:57] <TheMuso> dtchen: There have actually been discussions here at the sprint this week about making bi-arch pulse libs available. It requires touching a lot of  dependencies, but I think cjwatson's aim was to clean up ia32-libs somewhat. He may be able to fill you in more about what the foundations team plan is.
[09:03] <davmor2> bryce_away: bug 403175 the issue I have is that with the fglrx driver enabled I get no terminals etc at all, so I can't run any commands to help track down the issue.  If there is a way around that then I might be able to help you out more.  With the fglrx driver disabled in any manner the system works fine.  I'll hopefully be running some tests latter today so I'll see a) if it's still and issue and b)If I can acce
[09:03] <cjwatson> nenolod: maybe in karmic, but certainly not in jaunty ...
[09:06] <nenolod> cjwatson: i'm seeing it on jaunty since this evening
[09:06] <nenolod> cjwatson: i think it may be a bug in debootstrap failing to suppress debconf prompts correctly though
[09:13] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951 <- somebody want to check this ?
[09:18] <cjwatson> nenolod: sure, but nothing relevant has changed in jaunty that recently, so I wonder if it's some other environmental difference triggering it
[09:19] <nenolod> not sure.  i'll investigate more and open a bug where appropriate.
[09:20] <AnAnt> Hello, is it possible for an app using notify-OSD to disable "truncation" capability from notification daemon ?
[09:26]  * dupondje hopes somebody can sync dutch package from unstable, cause it fixes a quite annoying bug !
[09:43] <tseliot> pitti: can you remove the dontzap package from Karmic, please?
[09:43] <StevenK> tseliot: It's broken?
[09:44] <tseliot> StevenK: no, it's just that zapping can be enabled/disabled with setxkbmap and there are UIs (in Gnome and KDE) to do that in Karmic
[09:45] <tseliot> StevenK: actually, yes, it's broken ;)
[09:46] <StevenK> tseliot: Oh, where's the UI in Gnome?
[09:47] <StevenK> tseliot: This was being complained about in the -devel ML
[09:48] <tseliot> StevenK: System/Preferences/Keyboard then select the layouts tab and click the layout options button
[09:48]  * tseliot should write a tutorial about this in GNOME and KDE...
[09:48] <Riddell> I was about to ask, where's the GUI in KDE
[09:50] <tseliot> Riddell: System Settings -> Region & Language. Then select Keyboard layout in the treeview, select the Advanced tab and you will find the "Key sequence to kill the X server"
[09:53] <tseliot> Riddell: this means that you can drop my patch for zapping from kdebase
[09:54] <Riddell> tseliot: so it is, not very discoverable but it's in there
[09:54] <Riddell> tseliot: yes the patch has gone
[09:55] <tseliot> Riddell: something worth mentioning in the release notes, no?
[09:56] <pitti> tseliot: hey; sure, done
[09:57] <tseliot> pitti: thanks a lot :-)
[10:21] <mathiaz> kees: bug 408333
[10:21] <mathiaz> kees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MIRmysql-5.1
[10:21] <jml> hey
[10:22] <jml> the design for the new soyuz build page is online at the launchpad wiki, might be worth looking at & commenting on: https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzBuildIndexPage
[11:18] <iulian> Tap-to-click doesn't work anymore in Karmic.  Who took it away? :-(
[11:18] <iulian> Is there any bug reported regarding this regression?
[11:21] <ogra> iulian, just check the checkbox
[11:22] <iulian> ogra: Ah, cool!
[11:22] <iulian> Thanks.
[11:23] <ogra> ;)
[12:02] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951 <- somebody want to check this ?
[12:03] <seb128> dupondje, subscribe the ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug
[12:05] <dupondje> they are subscribed :)
[12:06] <seb128> dupondje, so what are you asking for exactly?
[12:07] <dupondje> if it could be synced, cause it removes a crappy bug in the 'dutch' package :)
[12:07] <seb128> it probably could and it will when somebody will have looked at it
[12:07] <seb128> if nobody did is that because people are either on holiday or busy usually
[12:10] <seb128> the IRC pings are not really useful usually, see http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/index.html for all the bugs waiting
[12:15] <bryce> seb128, bug 397839 and bug 387529
[12:15] <bryce> seb128, refiled 397839 to gnome-power-manager
[12:15] <StevenK> I've seen that on Karmic UNR too
[12:15] <bryce> the other bug could be duped to that one I guess
[12:16] <seb128> bryce: thanks
[12:32] <asac> tkamppeter: 282235
[12:56] <plars> bryce: did bug #378391 regress again, or is it broken again now for different reasons?
[12:56] <plars> bryce: iirc, it worked ok in alpha3, but is now broken again in the dailies
[13:00] <bryce> plars, well it wouldn't be for the same reason since the source package hasn't been re-renamed ;-)
[13:00] <bryce> plars, file a new bug
[13:00] <plars> bryce: will do, thanks
[13:02] <bryce> plars, 105_correct_multifinger_click.patch was dropped due to a different issue it caused; you could try building the driver with it enabled and see if it helps
[13:02] <bryce> reboot time again
[14:44] <Sarvatt> plars: whats your problem? tapping not working?
[14:44] <Sarvatt> or multi finger tapping not working?
[14:44] <plars> Sarvatt: tap not working at all, seems to be disabled by default
[14:45] <Sarvatt> can you pastebin the output of synclient -l?
[14:47] <Sarvatt> i'm getting a problem where the ubuntu kernel detects my touchpad as a generic mouse about 1/10 boots
[14:48] <Sarvatt> (so tapping isnt working in that case)
[14:48] <Sarvatt> but a sudo rmmod psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse fixes that
[14:48] <plars> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248009
[14:49] <Sarvatt> ah yep your tapping is disabled
[14:49] <plars> Sarvatt: I know, I can manually enable it and it all starts working
[14:49] <Sarvatt> do you have it enabled in system - preferences - mouse - touchpad?
[14:50] <plars> Sarvatt: no, but enabling it there causes it to work
[14:50] <Sarvatt> if it was the generic mouse instead of touchpad problem i have synclient wouldnt show anything so it isnt that at least
[14:50] <Sarvatt> ah yeah if you have it disabled there it turns all the TapButton options off when the session loads
[14:51] <Sarvatt> it should remember it on reboot and work fine now that you set it
[14:52] <Sarvatt> it loads with tapbuttons enabled when x starts, then when your gnome session starts gnome-settings-daemon disables the tap buttons if you have it turned off in there
[14:53] <plars> Sarvatt: but apparently the default is for it to be turned off
[14:56] <Sarvatt> yep thats intended. /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/tap_to_click <default>FALSE</default>
[14:57] <plars> Sarvatt: why is it intentional for tap to click to be turned off?
[14:59] <Sarvatt> its only turned on by default for people that have touchpads without physical buttons, i'm not the one who decides that just saying what I see :D
[15:02] <plars> Sarvatt: ok... confusing, but ok :)
[15:03]  * ogra hugs kirkland 
[15:03] <kirkland> ogra: ;-)
[15:03] <kirkland> ogra: it's a moderately long build
[15:03] <kirkland> ogra: ping me if you see the build complete, as i need it too ;-)
[15:04] <ogra> will do
[15:08] <bryce> Sarvatt, btw asac ran into a problem with ppa-purge; it resulted in wanting to remove a bunch of extra packages
[15:14] <pitti> tkamppeter: so perhaps cups init script should do something like
[15:14] <pitti> udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=usb --attr-match=bInterfaceClass=07 --verbose
[15:14] <pitti> tkamppeter: oops, without the --verbose
[15:15] <pitti> tkamppeter: if you run it on a machine with a printer (with --verbose), it should show the device(s)
[15:21] <Sarvatt> asac: ping :) curious what problem you had, i could see it trying to remove multiple PPAs with certain combinations on the 0.2.1 version that should be fixed in 0.2.2
[15:22] <bryce> Sarvatt, asac was thinking he may have built the packages against xorg-edgers
[15:28] <Sarvatt> got me curious what it tried to remove, guessing it was an aptitude proposed solution for something
[15:31] <Sarvatt> bryce: btw intel could use a no change rebuild now so it builds with all the new dri2proto 2.1 features since xserver was upgraded
[15:32] <c_korn> geser: hello. the bug about schroedinger has been fixed in debian. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539843 where can I get the diff.gz and try on ubuntu?
[15:32] <bryce> Sarvatt, on it
[15:53] <geser> c_korn: wait a few hours, as it's now between incoming.d.o and ftp.d.o
[15:53] <c_korn> ok
[16:11] <ogra> kirkland, whoops, sorry, didnt monitor the build to closely, seems it finished about 40min ago
[16:23] <hdon> can anyone tell me if they have blksize_t on jaunty?
[16:23] <hdon> i have been trying for about *twenty* minutes to no avail to get blksize_t
[16:23] <hdon> donny@pacemates:~/gpsee/src3$ gcc -c -Wall -Werror test.c || cat test.c
[16:23] <hdon> test.c:3: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘test’
[16:23] <hdon> #include <sys/types.h>
[16:23] <hdon> #include <sys/stat.h>
[16:23] <hdon> blksize_t test() {return 0;}
[16:23] <jml> james_w, the fix for the setBranch bug is on edge.
[16:24] <james_w> jml: thanks, I'll work on the script now
[16:24] <jml> james_w, np.
[16:25] <hdon> oh i needed -D_GNU_SOURCE
[16:25] <cjwatson> hdon: you need to put '#define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500' at the very top. See the "Feature Test Macros" node in 'info libc'
[16:25] <cjwatson> (or yes, _GNU_SOURCE will do as well)
[16:25] <cjwatson> defining _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 is the surgical thing that gets you just what you want; _GNU_SOURCE is the great big sledgehammer.
[16:26] <hdon> cjwatson: i don't suppose you know the feature test macro that will give me struct passwd::pw_age et al
[16:28] <hdon> oh i see. pw_age doesn't seem to exist on linux
[16:29] <hdon> or maybe this is a glibc thing
[16:30] <slangasek> "age" is not POSIX
[16:31] <hdon> slangasek: yeah i just figured that out
[16:31] <hdon> thanks :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> hdon: I don't see pw_age in the header files at all
[16:34] <hdon> cjwatson: it's not POSIX. sorry
[16:34] <hdon> cjwatson: it's not GNU either
[16:34] <hdon> cjwatson: it's an AT&T thing, apparently also supported on Solaris, which is where the code i'm working with comes from
[16:34] <hdon> also pw_comment is an AT&T thing on Solaris as well
[16:35] <hdon> according to google codesearch (because i can't find real documentation on it) i can rely on the ATT_COMMENT and ATT_AGE macros
[16:35] <cjwatson> tried just looking at the header files on Solaris to see if they check any definitions before including pw_age?
[16:48] <james_w> jml: script is running. slowly.
[16:49] <jml> james_w, I wonder how long it'll take
[16:49] <james_w> hmm, perhaps a DB query is better
[16:50] <james_w> jml: 10s a branch would make it take 100 days
[16:53] <superm1> cjwatson, ping. i was talking to mvo about a problem with mythbuntu tasks last week and he identified it to be that the machine generating the task headers is running germinate on universe, restricted, and main, but not multiverse.  he had wanted to discuss it with you though due to any unexpected repercussions of enabling tasks for multiverse
[17:02] <asac> Sarvatt: does the ppa-purge run autoremove or something?
[17:03] <asac> Sarvatt: it kind of removed a similar package list that autoremove would have removed. installing ubuntu-desktop explicitly helped to keep the packages on my system ... so now i think i am on pure karmic again :/
[17:03] <asac> at least i hope
[17:03] <Sarvatt> nope it only does an apt-get install package/distro
[17:04] <Sarvatt> then an aptitude install package/distro if that fails because the package doesnt exist in the distro
[17:04] <kukukk> hello
[17:04] <kukukk> Can somebody help me, how to find that a package with which configure options was created?
[17:06] <kukukk> I need the ./configure options for pyclutter to install a newer version...
[17:18] <cjwatson> superm1: I think I said when asked that it was fine to enable multiverse too; that may or may not have been in your hearing
[17:21] <superm1> cjwatson, ah, mvo had just said to ask you when you returned.  who can make the appropriate changes then on this machine generating the headers?
[17:35] <cjwatson> superm1: needs a bug filed on Soyuz, although I already told the LP people it was OK to make that change so it may already be in progress ...
[17:35] <Riddell> ccheney: can you remind me again the status of KDE 4 patches for openoffice?  Are they in upstrem (which one)? and when is that likely to come back to us?
[17:36] <cjwatson> superm1: (that code's in Launchpad, lp:launchpad cronscripts/publishing/cron.germinate)
[17:36] <cjwatson> man, I love being able to just point people to that code
[17:44] <Sarvatt> thank you thank you _thank you_ for all of the ubuntu-meta changes in the past few months, was pleasantly surprised that I could remove alot of stuff I dont want that resulted in removing ubuntu-desktop before like brltty apparmor and xsane :D
[17:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi.  we run a mixed environment pc lab with *untu on the machines, however users are having problems adjusting because the menu's are not the same across the *untu distros
[17:47] <ccheney> Riddell: they are in ooo-build for 3.1.1 which should be in karmic in late august (3.1.1 is not released yet)
[17:49] <Riddell> ccheney: do you know if the oxygen icon theme is also there?
[17:49] <ccheney> Riddell: i believe so
[18:39] <timboy> if you right click and create a share from the gnome gui where does the config go?
[18:40] <hyperair> timboy: you mean from the file manager?
[18:40] <hyperair> timboy: it's in /var/lib/samba/usershares/
[18:41] <timboy> hyperair, excellent thx!
[18:42] <hyperair> timboy: the command line interface to mess around with it is "net"
[18:42] <hyperair> "net usershare" specifically
[18:42] <timboy> cool
[18:42] <hyperair> nautilus-share is just a plugin for the file manager which provides a front end for that
[18:49] <timboy> thx for the help hyperair !
[21:23] <dtchen> TheMuso: ok, thanks
[21:24] <dtchen> cjwatson: what are the plans for biarch (specifically, alsa-plugins and pulseaudio) and ia32-libs?
[21:49] <directhex> woo, mono 2.4.2.3 in sid. well in time for FF
[22:19] <Varox> hey all
[22:19] <Varox> after asking in 3 ubuntu-channels before, i show up here :)
[22:20] <Varox> i just posted this thread, does anyone know how to fix this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232503
[22:21] <dtchen> Varox: #kubuntu-devel, please
[22:21] <Varox> dtchen, thanks
[22:51] <TheMuso> c
[23:22] <ebroder> Can I use /dev/disk/by-uuid/foo in /etc/fstab on Dapper?
[23:47] <dtchen> TheMuso: WRT rtkit: it's still useful for SCHED_RR, no?
[23:52] <dtchen> TheMuso: ah, n/m, i see the SCHED_RESET_ON_FORK mask
[23:54] <superm1> cjwatson, thanks