[00:40] <pace_t_zulu> hey, how do i find out who is responsible for the 'open-vm-tools' package and where the packaging code is?
[00:49] <fta> pace_t_zulu, apt-cache showsrc open-vm-tools | grep -E '(Vcs|Maintainer)'
[00:50] <pace_t_zulu> fta thanks
[00:51] <YokoZar> Riddell: Well, that's an easy change to make ;)  Thanks for pointing out
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> fta, if the package has been neglected in ubuntu, is it worth trying to fix
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> fta, the package is important to my dev environment
[00:55] <fta> pace_t_zulu, sure. strange there's nothing on MoM for it, do you mean debian is fresher?
[00:56] <pace_t_zulu> fta, MoM?
[00:56] <fta> https://merges.ubuntu.com/
[00:57] <ajmitch> fta: it's in multiverse, and looks like it needs a sync rather than a merge
[00:57] <pace_t_zulu> fta, which debian version would be merged into karmic? unstable?
[00:58] <pace_t_zulu> fta, the current karmic version that has been FTB for months is 2009.05.22-167859-3
[00:58] <fta> pace_t_zulu, then fix it, and look for a sponsor ;)
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> fta both sid and squeeze are ahead
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> fta, you want to sponsor?
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> :)
[00:59] <fta> i need to look at your work first
[01:02] <YokoZar> Riddell: I guess I've learned my lesson about reading the copyright off the project page rather than looking at individual files.
[01:03] <pace_t_zulu> fta: understood
[01:04] <pace_t_zulu> fta: since the package is maintained upstream by debian... how would i patch it? create a bazaar branch? ... could you perhaps point me to documentation that would provide instruction?
[01:07] <pace_t_zulu> anyone ^
[01:08] <pace_t_zulu> if a package is maintained upstream by debian in a git repo... how would i patch it? create a bazaar branch? ... could you perhaps point me to documentation that would provide instruction?
[01:09] <elgeneralmidi> bon un clopio et aulit
[01:10] <elgeneralmidi> sorry
[01:33] <kklimonda> hyperair: are you going to upload banshee 1.5 to karmic or are you waiting for stable release?
[02:06] <directhex> kklimonda, the latter
[02:07] <kklimonda> directhex: thanks.
[02:09] <jerbear> I would like an example or a tutorial for how to package a python app.
[02:14] <jerbear> please?
[02:14] <porthose_> jerbear, for some examples http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/python-apps/
[02:15] <jerbear> maybe a tutorial on how to manage it?
[02:16] <jerbear> on the dev tools?
[02:41] <jerbear> anyone?
[02:43] <porthose_> jerbear, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete, if you haven't already :)
[02:44] <porthose_> jerbear, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[02:45] <vorian> jerbear: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[02:45] <porthose_> thx vorian, that one was next :)
[02:45] <vorian> :)
[02:45]  * vorian has a couple of python packages floating around
[02:46] <porthose_> :)
[02:47] <jerbear> vorian: what's your workflow like?
[02:48] <vorian> first you get a clean tarball
[02:48] <vorian> extract it
[02:48] <vorian> use dh_make, choosing cdbs
[02:48] <vorian> rm *.EX *.ex
[02:48] <vorian> from the debian dir/
[02:48] <vorian> then get to work from there
[02:49] <jerbear> vorian: any options to dh_make?
[02:49] <vorian> the wiki page there explains pretty much everything you need to do
[02:49] <vorian> yes, there are - i suggest man dh_make to explore the arguments
[02:50] <vorian> usually, you can dh_make -c (type of copyright) -f ../original.tar.gz
[02:50] <vorian> python is very easy to package, as long as there arent any eggs to deal with
[02:51] <jerbear> vorian: eggs to deal with in what way?
[02:51] <vorian> like java jars, complex python apps use eggs
[02:52] <vorian> check out - chm2pdf for an example of a fabulous python package :D
[02:53] <jerbear> i know what eggs are, i'm just not sure how you mean "deal with"
[02:53] <vorian> if you have never created a debian package before, it will be worth your time to go through the docs on the MOTU wiki first
[02:54] <vorian> jerbear: it's explained on the link i gave you
[02:54] <vorian> just a few extra steps
[02:58] <jerbear> vorian: which one, DebianPython/NewPolicy?
[02:59] <vorian> jerbear: yep
[02:59] <jerbear> vorian: thanks
[02:59] <vorian> no problem
[02:59] <vorian> just keep firing questions at us, as you need
[02:59] <jerbear> i really appreciate it
[03:00] <jerbear> vorian: when are you usually available? (in case i have any questions on another day)
[03:00] <vorian> usually around this time
[03:00] <jerbear> Okay :)
[03:00] <vorian> i'm in the US, and available most evenings
[03:00] <jerbear> US here too
[03:00] <vorian> gotcha
[03:01] <vorian> :)
[03:02] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys...
[03:02] <pace_t_zulu> so i'm trying to get a package built.... it's been in ftbfs for months
[03:02] <vorian> sounds awesome
[03:02] <pace_t_zulu> where can i learn how motu syncs with upstream... debian
[03:02] <vorian> is it a gnome package?
[03:03] <pace_t_zulu> varian  ... actually a multiverse package
[03:03] <vorian> ah
[03:03] <pace_t_zulu> the debian version is fresher and seems to build just fine
[03:03] <vorian> depends, it may need merged vs synced
[03:03] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[03:04] <vorian> debian import freeze was a while ago, so all syncs have to be done manually
[03:04] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: thanks
[03:04] <vorian> no problem
[03:04] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: well this has been an ftb in karmic for months
[03:05] <vorian> does it have an ubuntu version?
[03:05] <ajmitch> pace_t_zulu: have you tried building the newer debian package?
[03:05] <pace_t_zulu> ajmitch: yeah... built it in pbuilder
[03:05] <pace_t_zulu> ajmitch: running it now
[03:06] <ajmitch> then it's most likely a sync request to put in & get ACKed
[03:06] <vorian> i've got time to test it now, if you want to file the bug pace_t_zulu
[03:06] <ajmitch> since you've tested it builds & are running it, you can use 'requestsync -s' to file a bug in launchpad about it, if there's not one there already
[03:07] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: yeah... gimme a sec... running into a snag
[03:07] <vorian> ahhh, the snags :)
[03:07]  * vorian pets drop to shell hook
[03:07] <YokoZar> Riddell: Question ~ springlobby: according to the authors the entire libtorrent folder is unnecessary on Linux (since we ship/link to the system libtorrent-rasterbar by default) and can just be deleted.  Do I need to delete this from the .orig source and make a new "upstream" tarball without it?
[03:08] <pace_t_zulu> spoke too soon :(
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: should i just file a bug on LP
[03:23] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: did you get it built?
[03:23] <vorian> rather, did it build in a clean environment?
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: ya, it's running
[03:24] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: built just fine in pbuilder
[03:24] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: great, does it have an ubuntu version?
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: i'd seen those proble before...
[03:25] <vorian> as in package_1.1-#ubuntu#
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: i don't think so... checking
[03:25] <vorian> or just package_1.1
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: hopefully i'm handing you some low hanging fruit
[03:25] <vorian> na, you're doing the work :)
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: no ubuntu version
[03:25] <vorian> cool
[03:26] <vorian> file a sync request
[03:27] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: using 'requestsync'?
[03:27] <vorian> that's one way, the easiest for sure :)
[03:30] <pace_t_zulu> meh.... "No credentials found for 'ubuntu-dev-tools', please see the manage-credentials manpage for help on how to create one for this consumer."
[03:31] <vorian> oh yeah, that fancy stuff
[03:31] <vorian> it may be best to manually do it
[03:32] <vorian> the wiki page describs it fully
[03:32] <vorian> describes too
[03:37] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/409163
[03:37]  * vorian gets on it 
[03:38]  * pace_t_zulu thanks vorian
[03:45] <pace_t_zulu> vorian, how does it look?
[03:46] <LaserJock> can we i18n package long descriptions at all?
[03:46] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: i will know for sure in about 12 hours
[03:46] <vorian> i dont think i'll be able to finish tonight
[03:47] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: no worries, thanks for your help
[03:47] <pace_t_zulu> open-vm-tools has been FTBFS for too long
[03:47] <LaserJock> vorian: hola
[03:47] <vorian> LaserJock: yo
[03:47] <vorian> the i18n stuff hates me
[03:48] <LaserJock> vorian: how's it goin'? KDE 4.3 out yet? :-)
[03:48] <vorian> YUS!
[03:48] <vorian> today
[03:48] <vorian> LaserJock: i'm moving out your way in a week, just a few hundred miles north (ID)
[03:49] <LaserJock> vorian: lol, I'm moving to Boston Saturday
[03:49] <vorian> holy!
[03:49] <LaserJock> vorian: where in ID?
[03:49] <vorian> Idaho Falls
[03:49] <LaserJock> oh, awesome
[03:49] <LaserJock> that's only 2hrs from where I grew up
[03:49] <vorian> i'm very excited
[03:49] <vorian> cool
[03:50] <LaserJock> Idaho Falls was like the "big city" for us :-)
[03:50] <vorian> haha, that's what I hear.  It's a big regional center
[03:50] <LaserJock> yeah, I flew into there for my brother's wedding
[03:50] <vorian> and now you are moving to a foreign country :'(
[03:51] <LaserJock> heh
[03:51] <LaserJock> well, I gotta go where the jobs are
[03:51] <vorian> at least the baseball is good there
[03:51] <LaserJock> and I'm lucky to get anything right now
[03:51] <LaserJock> I got a job contracting to the Air Force
[03:51] <vorian> excellent
[03:52] <vorian> that's job security
[03:52] <LaserJock> well, kinda kinda not
[03:52] <LaserJock> it's a 2 year job
[03:52] <LaserJock> but could lead to some more stuff maybe
[03:52] <LaserJock> I'm liking 2 years 'cause if I hate Boston I can get out :-)
[03:52] <vorian> true
[03:53] <LaserJock> grew up in a town of 4k, went to school in a city of 400k, now moving to 4M :-)
[03:53] <vorian> that's quite a jump
[03:54] <LaserJock> well, at least I'm used to traffic lights now ;-)
[03:54] <vorian> and quite a change in weather too B-)
[03:54] <LaserJock> thank goodness
[03:54] <vorian> ha
[03:54] <LaserJock> I'm so tired of sun
[03:54] <vorian> i bet
[03:55] <vorian> I purchased a nice big ole snow thrower on my last day at TSC
[03:55] <LaserJock> gimme some rain!
[03:56] <vorian> i was not a fan of the summer in phonex
[03:56] <vorian> or the monsoons
[03:56] <vorian> or the black widows
[03:56] <LaserJock> Idaho Falls has some cold cold weather
[03:56] <LaserJock> one time we drove through there and the interstate was solid black ice
[03:57] <LaserJock> icecycles were hanging on all the fences
[03:57] <vorian> that happens here all the time
[03:57] <LaserJock> I think the thermometer said -26F
[03:57] <vorian> in fact, I have a photo from one of our ice-storms as a kdeartwork wallpaper!
[03:58] <LaserJock> ID & MT are dry enough to not have many ice storms
[03:58] <vorian> yikes, that's cold
[03:58] <vorian> that's what I hear, and we just got two really really nice de-himidifiers too :(
[03:58] <LaserJock> lol
[03:58] <LaserJock> I lived with a humidifier growing up
[03:59] <LaserJock> used to get bloody noses all the time from the dry air (wood stoves)
[03:59] <vorian> i bet
[03:59] <vorian> when we visited IF a month ago, 2 of my kids got bloodies noses
[03:59] <LaserJock> interestingly, Reno has seemed a bit wetter
[03:59]  * vorian can't type tonight
[04:00]  * LaserJock can't type ever
[04:00] <vorian> haha, lies
[04:01] <LaserJock> vorian: you hear I'm Dr. LaserJock now?
[04:01] <vorian> wow
[04:01]  * vorian bows
[04:01] <vorian> congrats!
[04:01] <LaserJock> thanks
[04:01] <vorian> that's awesome
[04:01] <LaserJock> it was an insane amount of work at the end
[04:01] <vorian> but you lived!
[04:02] <LaserJock> *barely*
[04:02] <vorian> haha
[04:02] <LaserJock> it was 11 years of uni
[04:02] <vorian> that is crazy
[04:02] <LaserJock> I'm glad I didn't get a university postdoc, I'm tired of it
[04:02] <vorian> i couldn't handle 4
[04:03] <LaserJock> oh, the first 4 were *easy*
[04:03] <LaserJock> the last 4 were a giant pain in the butt
[04:03] <vorian> i'm sure
[04:03] <LaserJock> I found out that I like learning a lot more than I like research
[04:04] <LaserJock> so after I was done with all the classes it kinda dragged on a bit
[04:04] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[04:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hi!
[04:04] <LaserJock> my favorite kiwi
[04:04] <ajmitch> only one you know? :)
[04:04] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[04:05] <LaserJock> oh, OK
[04:05] <LaserJock> I'm putting the final corrections on the dissertation
[04:05] <LaserJock> the defense was pretty easy (2.5 hrs)
[04:06] <ajmitch> great :)
[04:07] <ajmitch> & congrats on the new job (just read scrollback)
[04:07] <LaserJock> thanks
[04:07] <LaserJock> I'm 27 and *just* getting my first real job
[04:07] <ajmitch> heh
[04:07] <LaserJock> I feel like such a bonehead
[04:07] <ajmitch> the life of an academic :)
[04:09] <LaserJock> I almost didn't take the job though
[04:09] <LaserJock> the Air Force requires Windows!
[04:09] <ajmitch> it's a big change
[04:09] <ajmitch> oh no!
[04:11] <LaserJock> bbiab, gotta walk the dog
[04:53] <andol> andv: Here now. Saw that you upload the debdiff, thanks
[05:10] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, ping
[05:53] <hyperair> `/lastlog -hilight
[05:53] <hyperair> oh whoops
[05:54] <hyperair> kklimonda: waiting for 1.6.
[05:54] <hyperair> kklimonda: the guys in #ubuntu-desktop weren't keen on taking in an unstable release
[05:55] <hyperair> kklimonda: not without a schedule of when the stablew ould be coming out anyway
[05:55] <kklimonda> hyperair: how stable is it btw?
[05:55] <hyperair> ```it's pretty stable, but they've announced 1.5.x as an unstable release
[05:55] <kklimonda> oh wait, it's in banshee unstable ppa so I can actually test it myself :)
[05:55] <hyperair> =)
[06:00] <hyperair> oh yeah the banshee unstable ppa has shifted to https://launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive/banshee-unstable
[06:59] <stochastic> Can anyone revu ANY of these packages http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax     http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid    http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo     http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/slv2   ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pyphat would also be nice)
[07:51] <stochastic> Is there any other way to get people to Revu packages other than posting a request in this channel?
[07:54] <Zhenech> bdrung_, done
[09:02] <Riddell> YokoZar: you don't need to delete the libtorrent unless it has licencing problems, but if it has a different licence than the rest of the sources you need to mention that in debian/copyright
[09:03] <YokoZar> Riddell: ok, that seems fine (same code as another package we ship)
[09:03] <YokoZar> not sure why it's in the upstream tarball
[09:16] <geser> andv: yes, mainterfield change shouldn't be mentioned anymore in the changelog
[09:20] <directhex> YokoZar, for "convenience"
[09:20] <directhex> YokoZar, be happy it's source & not binary!
[09:20] <YokoZar> fair enough :)
[09:56] <kamalnandan> how do we install karmic release on jaunty..
[09:56] <kamalnandan> someone mentioned that it can be done using chroot...i didnt get it..
[09:56] <kamalnandan> any clue folks?
[10:07] <kamalnandan> how do we install karmic release on jaunty using chroot?
[10:07] <kamalnandan> any clue
[10:09] <hyperair> for some reason gmail is sticking all the emails i send from @ubuntu.com into my inbox O_o
[10:09] <hyperair> is anyone noticing the same thing?
[10:09] <hyperair> kamalnandan: please don't keep repeating your question.
[10:09] <iulian> kamalnandan: Asking same question over and over again won't help you.  We already answered yesterday.
[10:09] <hyperair> kamalnandan: and this isn't the right place.
[10:10] <bdrung_> Zhenech: thanks
[10:10] <Zhenech> bdrung_, yw, in exchange I need a free webdav client for windows :)
[10:10] <iulian> kamalnandan: Did you follow what we gave you yesterday?
[10:11] <bdrung_> Zhenech: what is windows? :)
[10:12] <kamalnandan> iulian: sorry...infact, i dont have that document with me right now...i am at my workplace and forgot to forward the link(then i was at my home)..it would be kind of you, if you could send the link to me once again..:-)
[10:13] <kamalnandan> i read that, but couldnt follow much...so didnt go futher..however, i want to read that once again with a fresh mindset..
[10:13] <Zhenech> bdrung_, that thingy that still does not have a fullz posix compatible env :)
[10:15] <bdrung_> Zhenech: o, i can remember now. but who wants to use that crap? :)
[10:15] <kamalnandan> I am searching for that page on the internet, but somehow, havnt been able to locate as yet..
[10:15] <Zhenech> bdrung_, /me points at that person at the right side of his table
[10:16] <bdrung_> Zhenech: Sincere condolences to him.
[10:19] <kamalnandan> iulian: can you send the link to me once again, if you dont mind..sorry for being irresponsible...
[10:21] <Zhenech> bdrung_, her ...
[10:21] <bdrung_> ok
[10:22] <iulian> !chroot | kamalnandan
[10:22] <eboyjr> Hello, what are the typical questions, topics asked in here?
[10:22] <iulian> !pbuilder | kamalnandan
[10:23] <eboyjr> In better words, what is the MOTU?
[10:24] <kamalnandan> iulian: thanks a lot..:-)..
[10:24] <iulian> eboyjr: /topic.
[10:25] <eboyjr> iulian: Oh well my firefox is not working cuz of the update i just got so i cant click the links
[10:27] <eboyjr> Soo... what is the MOTU
[10:32] <iulian> eboyjr: Then find another way to access those wiki pages.  There are loads of things to tell.
[10:32] <eboyjr> ..thanks.
[10:37] <kklimonda> if some source files in tarball are missing license header it's a big no-no and I should contact upstream?
[10:45] <directhex> kklimonda, depends how bad it is
[10:46] <directhex> kklimonda, there's no strict rule, more of a gut-feeling "this needs moar licensing"
[10:46] <kklimonda> directhex: not really - 3 unittests and one header (the "top" one that just includes other)
[10:46] <directhex> feh. i'd let it in
[10:49] <jdetaeye> a quick question from a newbie-uploader:   I just uploaded my first package with dput.  Is there a time delay before I can see the upload package on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/?
[10:53] <geser> up to 3 min or so
[10:53] <geser> did you use ..._source.changes for upload?
[10:54] <jdetaeye> hmm... has been over 30 minutes now
[10:55] <jdetaeye> see http://dpaste.com/75456/
[10:56] <jdetaeye> paste is not compete - but has no error messages and ends with "Successfully uploaded packages."
[10:57] <geser> then you need on one of the REVU admins so he can look into it
[10:57] <jdetaeye> any harm in re-uploading?
[10:58] <geser> afaik no
[10:58] <jdetaeye> hm says "Already uploaded to revu on revu.ubuntuwire.com   Doing nothing for frepple_0.7.1-1_source.changes"
[10:59] <kklimonda> use -f
[11:01] <andv> geser, perfect ty for updating me
[11:02] <geser> andv: this was also once mentioned in a mail on ubuntu-devel but I can't find it right now
[11:02] <andv> k
[11:03] <jdetaeye> new upload done - http://dpaste.com/75458/ - this time it worked and it is already visible on the page.  Thanks!
[11:56] <kwah> Hi all
[11:56] <kwah> Probably silly beginner question, but...
[11:57] <kwah> How one could start with sources of the packages available in debian/unstable
[11:57] <kwah> Is there any documentation/hotos related to that?
[11:57] <kwah> *howtos
[12:01] <iulian> kwah: What do you mean?  Do you want to download source packages from unstable?
[12:02] <kwah> At least to begin with
[12:02] <iulian> I'm afraid I don't understand the question.  Could you please rephrase?
[12:02] <azeem> add an appropriate deb-src then
[12:02] <azeem> and possible specify the version like apt-get source foo=1.2.3-4
[12:02] <kwah> Hm. I think I do something wrong then...
[12:02] <iulian> Or use pull-debian-source from ubuntu-dev-tools.
[12:03] <azeem> heh, or that
[12:03] <kwah> I hav a set of files package-xxxx in dsc,orig,diff
[12:04] <kwah> and want to try building it for ubuntu
[12:05] <kwah> In FM (fine manuals) etc, there is always a start from apt-get source...
[12:05] <kwah> Which does a lot of staff "under the hood" apparently.
[12:06] <iulian> kwah: Not really, it just downloads the source package.
[12:06] <kwah> + unpacks tarballs
[12:06] <kwah> + applies patches
[12:06] <kwah> ?
[12:07] <kwah> So, I figured out download part myself... :D
[12:11] <iulian> When you build the package it links everything together.
[12:12] <kwah> So, before I modify something (like adjust package-src/debian/* files) I should build package?
[12:13] <iulian> kwah: s/before/after/.
[12:13] <kwah> pull-debian-source does not do it. I believe because package is still in review and not in the repositories yet.
[12:15] <kwah> ok, how from pack.orig.tar.gz, pack.diff.gz and pack.dsc I can get sources layout I can start modifications then?
[12:15] <iulian> kwah: pull-debian-source just downloads the source package (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz).  To build the package you want dpkg-buildpackage.
[12:18] <kwah> dpkg-buildpackage needs proper control files
[12:18] <kwah> how one makes layeout for source package out of  (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz) ?
[12:18] <kwah> isnt it automated?
[12:18] <kwah> somehow
[12:18] <iulian> You mean, .deb packages?
[12:19]  * kwah believes that it is so basic, noone even think about it :D
[12:19] <iulian> You need to build the package in order to get the .deb.
[12:19] <kwah> let me start again
[12:20] <iulian> And please elaborate.
[12:20] <kwah> I have  (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz) for certain package
[12:20] <iulian> kwah: Yes, that's the source.
[12:20] <kwah> How can I unpack everything so I can tweak some minor things ?
[12:21] <iulian> kwah: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[12:22] <kwah> iulian, thanks, that's it
[12:22] <iulian> No problem.
[12:23] <kwah> I remember there was something like that in one of the dozens tutorials I went briefly through last night :(
[12:23] <kwah> Sorry for bothering.
[12:25] <iulian> kwah: If you have any more questions, please ask.
[12:26]  * kwah should read more carefully 
[12:26] <kwah> iulian, ok.
[12:32] <slytherin> ttx: ping
[12:33] <slytherin> ttx: I was wondering how your jetty6 package is different than the jetty package in Debian experimental
[12:33] <ttx> slytherin: it's the libraries only. No daemon. It's needed so that it can reach main.
[12:34] <slytherin> ahh
[12:34] <ttx> slytherin: current state of the package in debian experimental isn't satisfying
[12:34] <ttx> (for main qa standards)
[12:34] <slytherin> hmm
[12:34] <slytherin> so when it reaches that state are you going to drop your package?
[12:34] <ttx> We'll work to qa and sync it for karmic+1
[12:35] <ttx> depending on what name they finally choose
[12:35] <ttx> merge or replace it.
[12:35] <slytherin> find
[12:36] <ttx> slytherin: I should be able to improve the package in debian when I have more free time it after featurefreeze
[12:36] <ttx> so that karmic+1 sync is painless.
[12:37] <slytherin> No issues. I believe we discussed this already. Just didn't recall it when I saw your package.
[13:05] <geser> Laney: I've a question about your haskell overview plot: does it check only a specific arch for installablity?
[13:07] <Laney> geser: yes, i386
[13:10] <geser> Laney: I wonder why it marks haskell-curl as green while libghc6-curl-dev being unavailable on i386
[13:11] <Laney> geser: you can run edos-debcheck manually to find out
[13:11] <Laney> or I can
[13:15] <Laney> geser: It doesn't appear in packages.bz2
[13:15] <Laney> probably because it never built correctly
[13:16] <geser> it never build correctly (needs a rebuild)
[13:16] <Laney> yes
[13:16] <Laney> I did give-backs now
[13:16] <Laney> but that explains why it was green
[13:17] <geser> Laney: it build on sparc and armel in the past, so we need a build1 upload anyway
[13:17] <geser> just wanted to inform you about a possible bug in the script for the graph if it marks missing packages as ok
[13:19] <Laney> hmm
[13:19] <Laney> :q
[13:21] <Laney> So you have to check for every source package if all of the binaries are present in Packages
[13:26] <slytherin> geser: Laney: Which script are you guys talking about?
[13:26] <Laney> haskell-pkg-graph
[13:29] <slytherin> oh, I thought it was some generic script to check status of packages.
[13:30] <Laney> it would be nice if it were more generic
[13:42] <Laney> geser: are you taking care of some of the rebuilds?
[13:42] <geser> Laney: yes, why?
[13:43] <Laney> just curious
[13:43] <Laney> looking at the hsql ones now
[13:44] <geser> I regularly look at the FBTFS list and unmet deps and transitions are easy to get off those lists
[13:45] <Laney> right
[13:49] <geser> argh, haskell-http currently in Ubuntu needs a package which isn't there anymore and the new version from Debian needs a newer cdbs than currently in Ubuntu
[13:49] <Laney> yes :(
[13:50] <Laney> I tried to bribe sebner to do that merge
[13:50] <geser> any success?
[13:50] <Laney> I think not
[13:54] <didrocks> StevenK:  clutter-gtk 0.10 uploaded
[13:54] <StevenK> \o/ !
[13:55] <StevenK> didrocks: Source package name?
[13:57] <didrocks> StevenK: clutter-gtk. So, you will just have to ack for new binaries (as 0.8 seems to be a dead branch)
[13:57] <StevenK> didrocks: It wants clutter 1.0 ?
[13:58] <didrocks> StevenK: yes
[13:58] <StevenK> didrocks: If so, it won't build, since clutter-gtk is in main, and clutter-1.0 is in universe.
[13:58] <didrocks> StevenK: Oh clutter-gtk is in main? ok, my upload will fail so. I saw that the maintainer was MOTU developer and didn't check
[13:59] <StevenK> didrocks: I can sponsor it for you, but won't do so until clutter-1.0 gets promoted
[13:59] <didrocks> StevenK: ok, so I can use a different package name that we put on universe?
[14:00] <StevenK> didrocks: It should go to main, anyway ...
[14:00] <didrocks> StevenK: so, it's maybe the time to achieve a MIR for clutter 1.0?
[14:00] <StevenK> didrocks: It doesn't need one, 0.8 is in main
[14:01] <StevenK> didrocks: Just needs some other things promoted, which is in progrsss.
[14:01] <didrocks> StevenK: ok. I just open a bug and just subscribe you and not the u-m-s. I put a comment about waiting clutter 1.0 in main
[14:02] <StevenK> *progress
[14:10] <didrocks> StevenK: so, we clutter 1.0 will be in main, bug #409323
[14:11] <StevenK> didrocks: Thanks!
[14:11] <didrocks> StevenK: y/w :)
[14:34] <kwah> Is it possible to get binary only-component in the repositories, when there is a statement like this imposed: The free downloading of X is only allowed for coupling with Y. For any other use, a license agreement is requested.
[14:34] <kwah> ?
[14:35] <kwah> Which is (I guess) really vague statement in itself.
[14:35] <Laney> no
[14:36] <Laney> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/licensing
[14:36] <Laney> kwah: check that
[14:36] <kwah> ok
[14:36] <kwah> thanks
[16:02] <Laney> does sbuild have some known problem with packages that use dpatch?
[16:04] <Laney> try rebuilding haskell-hsql-sqlite3, it bombs out at applying the patches for me
[16:04] <Laney> whereas pbuilder works fine
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, Hey there. Got one question regarding lsb. Should LSB 4.0 in karmic be exactly the same in Jaunty, so that when doing a debdiff between them, there would be no changes?
[16:16] <slangasek> RoAkSoAx: by definition there will always be at least one diff between two versions of a package, which is a changelog
[16:17] <slangasek> the other differing bits look suspiciously like a botched merge
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, I see, but for example, should init-functions be the same in both packages? Because there are differences that are causing non normal functioning on the status action of init scripts
[16:18] <slangasek> though it wasn't introduced from 0ubuntu1 to 0ubuntu2, so I don't know
[16:19] <slangasek> RoAkSoAx: ok; as I recall, the 4.0 SRU to jaunty cherry-picked only the bits relevant to be able to claim it's 4.0, no other functional changes from what was already in jaunty
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, I see. I'll report the bug then and ping you to take a look at it. :)
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> DktrKranz, heya!! I've uploaded the new changes for lekhonee: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lekhonee When you have some free time please review them. Thank you.
[16:27] <slangasek> RoAkSoAx: pinging me personally is likely the wrong approach...
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, yes I know, but since you where the one who uploaded the latest version of LSB i though you might be interested in this bug
[16:28] <slangasek> I am interested in many bugs, that doesn't mean a personal ping is necessarily effective :)
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, ok :)
[17:07] <kiko> hey, any motu willing to do a super trivial backport of rss2email?
[17:07] <kiko> it's working fine on karmic
[17:26] <geser> c_korn: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/schroedinger/schroedinger_1.0.7-2.dsc
[17:28] <c_korn> geser: yes, thanks. I will test it
[17:29] <DktrKranz> RoAkSoAx: I'll probably have a look this evening. I'll be on holiday with limited network access (if none at all!), so better hurrying up ;)
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> DktrKranz, yep, it should be done now :) (at least i hope so). I've tried to use a private directory (/usr/share/lekhonee) but couldn't get it to work, and I think that of upstream.
[17:32] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: you around?
[17:33] <kees> sbeattie: why is bitlbee even compiled with Depends: libc6 (>> 2.9), libc6 (<< 2.10)  ??
[17:34] <sbeattie> kees: bitlbe's control file just has ${shlibs:Depends}
[17:34] <sbeattie> kees: so I have no idea.
[17:36] <kees> sbeattie: yeah, it's creepy.  :P  slangasek: help!  :)
[17:38] <slangasek> kees: uh?
[17:39] <kees> slangasek: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} is expanding (in bitlbee) to Depends: libc6 (>> 2.9), libc6 (<< 2.10)   (LP: #409422)
[17:39] <kees> just weird
[17:39] <slangasek> kees: currently, or when previously built with eglibc 2.9?
[17:40] <kees> slangasek: when previously built, I assume
[17:40] <slangasek> then I guess it was a previous bug in libc6?
[17:40] <kees> but why are other things not melting down in the same way?
[17:40] <sbeattie> slangasek: when rebuilt against eglibc 2.10, it becomes libc6 (>> 2.10), libc6 (<< 2.11),
[17:41] <slangasek> peer
[17:41] <slangasek> checking
[17:41] <slangasek> could be a corner case in symbols file
[17:41] <sbeattie> (am basing on a test rebuild I did in https://launchpad.net/~sbeattie/+archive/ppa)
[17:42] <slangasek> or it could be to do with the package calling dpkg-shlibdeps manually in debian/rules, instead of using a sensible abstraction
[17:50] <slangasek> sbeattie, kees: the .symbols file has a fallback to the dep in question when any symbols not listed out in the .symbols file are referenced
[17:51] <slangasek> GLIBC_PRIVATE __res_iclose
[17:51] <slangasek> maybe that one?
[17:52] <kees> hunh
[17:53] <slangasek> the symbol in question is listed, but with a strange version qualifier that I don't understand
[18:08] <logari81> if anyone can imagine what the combination of the "--enable-shared" configure option and the pydoc error "cannot open shared object file" could mean, would probably be able to help me with a building/packaging problem that I have.
[18:42] <geser> when refactoring a python script and moving code into it's own module, who put I into the copyright line of the new files? the authors of the main script or myself and just name the other possible authors?
[20:12] <slayton> is there any documentation on how to package a single python script into a debian package?
[20:18] <POX> slayton: /usr/bin/script?
[20:18] <slayton> POX, yes
[20:18] <geser> slayton: can't it be added to some other existing package instead of creating a new one?
[20:19] <slayton> I'd prefer it be a stand alone package as there are several other packages that will rely on it...
[20:19] <slayton> but its not common to any other package I'm working on
[20:20] <slayton> err... it wouldn't make sense to add it to any of the other packages
[20:20] <POX> all you need to do is add python to Depends (or pythonX.Y if it's in shebang) and a manpage
[20:20] <slayton> ok thanks
[20:21] <POX> if you import something outside stdlib, you need it in Depends as well, of course
[20:22] <slayton> right... I guess I was more wondering what is the proper way to write the rules file as I don't have a makefile
[20:22] <POX> dh_install script /usr/bin
[20:22] <POX> in install: target
[20:24] <POX> or put in in install file and use /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples/rules.tiny
[20:26] <slayton> POX, thank you that rules file is exactly what I was looking for
[20:26] <frafu> Hi; could anybody help me with the po and mo files in distutils? In fact, setup.py sdist produces a tarball with the po files; however setup.py bdist produces a tarball without any translation files. Moreover, dpkg-buildpackage based on a cdbs debianization also produces a deb package without any translation files. Could anybody please tell me how I can get the translations into the deb package?
[20:39] <fabrice_sp> frafu, compile them and install them. The installation can be done in a lot of ways (through an .install file, via make install, ...)
[20:40] <fabrice_sp> it really depends on the way the package is ... packaged :-)
[20:41] <frafu> fabrice_sp: it is package by using cdbs
[20:41] <fabrice_sp> .install file is the way, then
[20:43] <frafu> fabrice_sp: do you know where I can find information about how to setup an install file?
[20:43] <fabrice_sp> frafu, man dh_install
[20:46] <slayton> POX, if I want to sign package do I have to add something extra to the rules.tiny file?
[20:46] <slayton> *sign a package
[20:46] <frafu> fabrice_sp: thanks
[20:49] <slayton> POX, never mind I figured it out. I can just explicitly sign the package with debsign
[20:49] <fabrice_sp> yw ;-)
[20:55] <fabrice_sp> Are recommends installed in the buildd? I changed my sbuild to not install the  recommended packages, and some packages are FTBFSing...
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> so I'm wondering if I need to explicitly build depends on the recommended package of a principal one (libboost-dev, in that case)
[20:56] <geser> no recommends during build
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> ok
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> thanks geser
[20:56] <porthose_> nellery, ping
[20:57] <geser> if you need something you need to specify it in Build-Depends(-Indep)
[20:57] <nellery> porthose_: hi
[20:58] <porthose_> nellery, hey, do you have some time to do some mentoring?
[20:58] <fabrice_sp> geser, in that case, I need to explicitly Build-Depends on libboost-filesystem-dev then. Thanks!
[20:59] <nellery> porthose_: sorry, I'm busy right now
[20:59] <nellery> what type of mentoring did you need?
[20:59] <porthose_> nellery, I have a mentee who needs a mentor
[21:00] <nellery> porthose_: ah. Best to get in touch with the mentoring reception
[21:01]  * porthose_ has his MOTU Mentoring Reception hat on
[21:01] <nellery> porthose_: oh!
[21:04] <fabrice_sp> Where can I see what are the requirements to change the Standards-version of a package from 3.7.2 to 3.8.2 ?
[21:05] <frafu> fabrice_sp:  There is something that is puzzling me now: there is an older version of that package (its name is onboard) in ubuntu main; when I run dpkg-buildpackage on it, the resulting deb does not have mo files; but there are onboard.mo files installed on my system. Is this normal?
[21:05] <porthose_> nellery, I just wanted to know if you where interested,  and if you had time. :)
[21:05] <geser> fabrice_sp: /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz
[21:07] <geser> frafu: for packages in main the packages are stripped during build and installed later through the language packs
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> thanks again geser (I had to install debian-policy package ;-) )
[21:10] <frafu> geser: but if I download the package with 'apt-get source ' and run dpkg-buildpackage on it, should the resulting deb not have mo files?
[21:11] <geser> frafu: in that case it should have it
[21:16] <frafu> geser: but it does not: there is no /usr/share/locale in the resulting deb!?
[21:17] <frafu> geser: Does this mean there is an error in the debianization of that package?
[21:19] <frafu> geser: i wonder where the onboard.mo files come from; but as I am not using a  clean system, who knows!
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> frafu, it comes from language-pack-gnome packages
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=karmic&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=onboard.mo
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> :-D
[21:23] <frafu> thanks to both of you; i have to leave now; bye
[21:23] <fabrice_sp> bye
[21:25] <dtchen> Laney: please push a no-change rebuild of xmonad-contrib, too, when you have a chance
[21:25] <Laney> dtchen: ok
[21:26] <dtchen> Laney: sbuilt & pbuilt locally & using the resulting packages now, so it does work
[21:39] <Laney> dtchen: uploaded
[21:39] <Laney> feel free to do any such uploads yourself in future
[21:46] <dtchen> Laney: i don't have upload privileges.
[21:47] <dtchen> Laney: but, thanks
[21:47] <Laney> what?!
[21:47] <geser> Laney: expired
[21:47]  * Laney expresses shock
[21:47] <geser> dtchen: do you plan to re-apply for them anytime?
[21:48] <dtchen> geser: when time permits, yes
[21:54] <huats> porthose_: ping
[21:54] <huats> around ?
[21:54] <porthose_> huats, hey
[21:55] <huats> hey porthose_
[21:55] <huats> how are you ?
[21:55] <porthose_> fine you?
[21:55] <huats> fine too
[21:55] <huats> :)
[21:55] <huats> I just saw your email about monty for the mentoring
[21:55] <huats> I am not sure I said it to the list but he would take a slot in the senior step...
[21:56] <huats> you agree with me right ?
[21:56] <porthose_> yes
[21:56] <huats> good :
[21:56] <huats> ):)
[21:56] <porthose_> I am trying to match him with one of the senior mentors
[21:56] <huats> so we are ok :)
[21:56] <huats> great !
[21:57] <porthose_> huats, I thought his app was somewhat impressive
[21:57] <huats> :)
[21:58] <huats> same here :)
[22:03] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: are you a DD?
[22:04] <sebner> DktrKranz: trying to make bdrung_ and sponsoring slave? :P
[22:05] <DktrKranz> sebner: no, just trying to see if I've just discovered a weird thing in NEW page (and I hope to be able to do stuff myself soon ;(
[22:05] <DktrKranz> ;)
[22:06] <sebner> DktrKranz: "soon" *heh*, NEW page containing 1 km packages list in weird indeed ;D
[22:07] <DktrKranz> sebner: ask our intrepid bddebian to process some then ;)
[22:08] <sebner> DktrKranz: he can't, he told me that he can review then but they have to be reviewed again by a real ftp master
[22:09] <DktrKranz> I know, but not for long (I hope, for the 2nd time...)
[22:11] <sebner> hehehehe
[22:14] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: no, i am no dd and i am no motu.
[22:15] <bdrung_> the NEW queue is scary long.
[22:15] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: it seems you have upload rights, look at the bottom of http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ;)
[22:16] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: i was sponsored
[22:16] <DktrKranz> yeah, but under normal condition you see something as Sponsor: name@debian.org
[22:17] <bdrung_> yes, no idea why he is not listed there.
[22:17] <DktrKranz> bug ;)
[22:17] <DktrKranz> or you're a DD now without notice
[22:18] <DktrKranz> (mind pushing sth for me? ;)
[22:18] <sebner> DktrKranz: It's a feature not a bug. Don't tell Debian or the invest time to fix it instead of reviewing stuff ~o~
[22:18] <bdrung_> maybe. the first upload of my sponsor gets into the nirvana.
[22:19] <blackmoon> hi, a binary firmaware (for usb card) can be included in a deb package?
[22:19] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: being a dd would be nice. :)
[22:20] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: I hope I can tell you soon ;)
[22:20] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: then i would need to go the sponsors on their nerves.
[22:20] <DktrKranz> blackmoon: answer is likely no
[22:21] <DktrKranz> not as in universe, at least
[22:24] <dtchen> blackmoon: see medibuntu as an alternate repository for such packages.
[22:25] <dtchen> e.g., alsa-firmware
[22:26] <blackmoon> DktrKranz: ok, thank you for answer... it's the same for ppa archive rigth?
[22:28] <sebner> blackmoon: you can upload anything you want to your ppa
[22:29] <sebner> well, as long it's not against the CoC
[22:29] <DktrKranz> sebner: PPA terms forbid to use it for non-free software
[22:30] <DktrKranz> (or they used to)
[22:30] <sebner> DktrKranz: really? O_o
[22:30] <DktrKranz> yu
[22:30] <DktrKranz> p
[22:30] <blackmoon> DktrKranz: thank you again
[22:31] <DktrKranz> blackmoon: I'll check, it's been ages since I last checked
[22:31] <blackmoon> DktrKranz: ok
[22:32] <DktrKranz> sebner, blackmoon: https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse
[22:33] <sebner> DktrKranz: Ubuntu "main" and "restricted" Component license Policy Compliant
[22:35] <sebner> DktrKranz: besides, the next question is who and how is this controlled? Automatically by LP?
[22:38] <DktrKranz> sebner: mark in person ;)
[22:39] <sebner> DktrKranz: haha, anyways I'm sure is not 100% save regarding that
[22:39] <blackmoon> so if i want include a rt73.bin firmware in a deb package, i must do a script for download it from external?