=== asac_ is now known as asac === x314 is now known as a1g === Cuddles is now known as Fluffles [00:40] hey, how do i find out who is responsible for the 'open-vm-tools' package and where the packaging code is? [00:49] pace_t_zulu, apt-cache showsrc open-vm-tools | grep -E '(Vcs|Maintainer)' [00:50] fta thanks [00:51] Riddell: Well, that's an easy change to make ;) Thanks for pointing out [00:51] fta, if the package has been neglected in ubuntu, is it worth trying to fix [00:51] fta, the package is important to my dev environment === vorian is now known as v [00:55] pace_t_zulu, sure. strange there's nothing on MoM for it, do you mean debian is fresher? [00:56] fta, MoM? [00:56] https://merges.ubuntu.com/ === v is now known as vorian [00:57] fta: it's in multiverse, and looks like it needs a sync rather than a merge [00:57] fta, which debian version would be merged into karmic? unstable? [00:58] fta, the current karmic version that has been FTB for months is 2009.05.22-167859-3 [00:58] pace_t_zulu, then fix it, and look for a sponsor ;) [00:59] fta both sid and squeeze are ahead [00:59] fta, you want to sponsor? [00:59] :) [00:59] i need to look at your work first [01:02] Riddell: I guess I've learned my lesson about reading the copyright off the project page rather than looking at individual files. [01:03] fta: understood [01:04] fta: since the package is maintained upstream by debian... how would i patch it? create a bazaar branch? ... could you perhaps point me to documentation that would provide instruction? [01:07] anyone ^ [01:08] if a package is maintained upstream by debian in a git repo... how would i patch it? create a bazaar branch? ... could you perhaps point me to documentation that would provide instruction? [01:09] bon un clopio et aulit [01:10] sorry === krusaf|bnc is now known as krusaf === Zic is now known as Guest89543 === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [01:33] hyperair: are you going to upload banshee 1.5 to karmic or are you waiting for stable release? === TwoToneSpirit is now known as jMyles [02:06] kklimonda, the latter [02:07] directhex: thanks. [02:09] I would like an example or a tutorial for how to package a python app. [02:14] please? [02:14] jerbear, for some examples http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/python-apps/ [02:15] maybe a tutorial on how to manage it? === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [02:16] on the dev tools? [02:41] anyone? [02:43] jerbear, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete, if you haven't already :) [02:44] jerbear, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment [02:45] jerbear: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy [02:45] thx vorian, that one was next :) [02:45] :) [02:45] * vorian has a couple of python packages floating around [02:46] :) [02:47] vorian: what's your workflow like? [02:48] first you get a clean tarball [02:48] extract it [02:48] use dh_make, choosing cdbs [02:48] rm *.EX *.ex [02:48] from the debian dir/ [02:48] then get to work from there [02:49] vorian: any options to dh_make? [02:49] the wiki page there explains pretty much everything you need to do [02:49] yes, there are - i suggest man dh_make to explore the arguments [02:50] usually, you can dh_make -c (type of copyright) -f ../original.tar.gz [02:50] python is very easy to package, as long as there arent any eggs to deal with [02:51] vorian: eggs to deal with in what way? [02:51] like java jars, complex python apps use eggs [02:52] check out - chm2pdf for an example of a fabulous python package :D [02:53] i know what eggs are, i'm just not sure how you mean "deal with" [02:53] if you have never created a debian package before, it will be worth your time to go through the docs on the MOTU wiki first [02:54] jerbear: it's explained on the link i gave you [02:54] just a few extra steps [02:58] vorian: which one, DebianPython/NewPolicy? [02:59] jerbear: yep [02:59] vorian: thanks [02:59] no problem [02:59] just keep firing questions at us, as you need [02:59] i really appreciate it [03:00] vorian: when are you usually available? (in case i have any questions on another day) [03:00] usually around this time [03:00] Okay :) [03:00] i'm in the US, and available most evenings [03:00] US here too [03:00] gotcha [03:01] :) [03:02] hey guys... [03:02] so i'm trying to get a package built.... it's been in ftbfs for months [03:02] sounds awesome [03:02] where can i learn how motu syncs with upstream... debian [03:02] is it a gnome package? [03:03] varian ... actually a multiverse package [03:03] ah [03:03] the debian version is fresher and seems to build just fine [03:03] depends, it may need merged vs synced [03:03] pace_t_zulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [03:04] debian import freeze was a while ago, so all syncs have to be done manually [03:04] vorian: thanks [03:04] no problem [03:04] vorian: well this has been an ftb in karmic for months [03:05] does it have an ubuntu version? [03:05] pace_t_zulu: have you tried building the newer debian package? [03:05] ajmitch: yeah... built it in pbuilder [03:05] ajmitch: running it now [03:06] then it's most likely a sync request to put in & get ACKed [03:06] i've got time to test it now, if you want to file the bug pace_t_zulu [03:06] since you've tested it builds & are running it, you can use 'requestsync -s' to file a bug in launchpad about it, if there's not one there already [03:07] vorian: yeah... gimme a sec... running into a snag [03:07] ahhh, the snags :) [03:07] * vorian pets drop to shell hook [03:07] Riddell: Question ~ springlobby: according to the authors the entire libtorrent folder is unnecessary on Linux (since we ship/link to the system libtorrent-rasterbar by default) and can just be deleted. Do I need to delete this from the .orig source and make a new "upstream" tarball without it? [03:08] spoke too soon :( [03:23] vorian: should i just file a bug on LP [03:23] pace_t_zulu: did you get it built? [03:23] rather, did it build in a clean environment? [03:23] vorian: ya, it's running [03:24] vorian: built just fine in pbuilder [03:24] pace_t_zulu: great, does it have an ubuntu version? [03:25] vorian: i'd seen those proble before... [03:25] as in package_1.1-#ubuntu# [03:25] vorian: i don't think so... checking [03:25] or just package_1.1 [03:25] vorian: hopefully i'm handing you some low hanging fruit [03:25] na, you're doing the work :) [03:25] vorian: no ubuntu version [03:25] cool [03:26] file a sync request [03:27] vorian: using 'requestsync'? [03:27] that's one way, the easiest for sure :) [03:30] meh.... "No credentials found for 'ubuntu-dev-tools', please see the manage-credentials manpage for help on how to create one for this consumer." [03:31] oh yeah, that fancy stuff [03:31] it may be best to manually do it [03:32] the wiki page describs it fully [03:32] describes too [03:37] vorian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/409163 [03:37] Launchpad bug 409163 in open-vm-tools "Please sync open-vm-tools from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] [03:37] * vorian gets on it [03:38] * pace_t_zulu thanks vorian [03:45] vorian, how does it look? [03:46] can we i18n package long descriptions at all? [03:46] pace_t_zulu: i will know for sure in about 12 hours [03:46] i dont think i'll be able to finish tonight [03:47] vorian: no worries, thanks for your help [03:47] open-vm-tools has been FTBFS for too long [03:47] vorian: hola [03:47] LaserJock: yo [03:47] the i18n stuff hates me [03:48] vorian: how's it goin'? KDE 4.3 out yet? :-) [03:48] YUS! [03:48] today [03:48] LaserJock: i'm moving out your way in a week, just a few hundred miles north (ID) [03:49] vorian: lol, I'm moving to Boston Saturday [03:49] holy! [03:49] vorian: where in ID? [03:49] Idaho Falls [03:49] oh, awesome [03:49] that's only 2hrs from where I grew up [03:49] i'm very excited [03:49] cool [03:50] Idaho Falls was like the "big city" for us :-) [03:50] haha, that's what I hear. It's a big regional center [03:50] yeah, I flew into there for my brother's wedding [03:50] and now you are moving to a foreign country :'( [03:51] heh [03:51] well, I gotta go where the jobs are [03:51] at least the baseball is good there [03:51] and I'm lucky to get anything right now [03:51] I got a job contracting to the Air Force [03:51] excellent [03:52] that's job security [03:52] well, kinda kinda not [03:52] it's a 2 year job [03:52] but could lead to some more stuff maybe [03:52] I'm liking 2 years 'cause if I hate Boston I can get out :-) [03:52] true [03:53] grew up in a town of 4k, went to school in a city of 400k, now moving to 4M :-) [03:53] that's quite a jump [03:54] well, at least I'm used to traffic lights now ;-) [03:54] and quite a change in weather too B-) [03:54] thank goodness [03:54] ha [03:54] I'm so tired of sun [03:54] i bet [03:55] I purchased a nice big ole snow thrower on my last day at TSC [03:55] gimme some rain! [03:56] i was not a fan of the summer in phonex [03:56] or the monsoons [03:56] or the black widows [03:56] Idaho Falls has some cold cold weather [03:56] one time we drove through there and the interstate was solid black ice [03:57] icecycles were hanging on all the fences [03:57] that happens here all the time [03:57] I think the thermometer said -26F [03:57] in fact, I have a photo from one of our ice-storms as a kdeartwork wallpaper! [03:58] ID & MT are dry enough to not have many ice storms [03:58] yikes, that's cold [03:58] that's what I hear, and we just got two really really nice de-himidifiers too :( [03:58] lol [03:58] I lived with a humidifier growing up [03:59] used to get bloody noses all the time from the dry air (wood stoves) [03:59] i bet [03:59] when we visited IF a month ago, 2 of my kids got bloodies noses [03:59] interestingly, Reno has seemed a bit wetter [03:59] * vorian can't type tonight [04:00] * LaserJock can't type ever [04:00] haha, lies [04:01] vorian: you hear I'm Dr. LaserJock now? [04:01] wow [04:01] * vorian bows [04:01] congrats! [04:01] thanks [04:01] that's awesome [04:01] it was an insane amount of work at the end [04:01] but you lived! [04:02] *barely* [04:02] haha [04:02] it was 11 years of uni [04:02] that is crazy [04:02] I'm glad I didn't get a university postdoc, I'm tired of it [04:02] i couldn't handle 4 [04:03] oh, the first 4 were *easy* [04:03] the last 4 were a giant pain in the butt [04:03] i'm sure [04:03] I found out that I like learning a lot more than I like research [04:04] so after I was done with all the classes it kinda dragged on a bit [04:04] hey LaserJock [04:04] ajmitch: hi! [04:04] my favorite kiwi [04:04] only one you know? :) [04:04] how's it going? [04:05] oh, OK [04:05] I'm putting the final corrections on the dissertation [04:05] the defense was pretty easy (2.5 hrs) [04:06] great :) [04:07] & congrats on the new job (just read scrollback) [04:07] thanks [04:07] I'm 27 and *just* getting my first real job [04:07] heh [04:07] I feel like such a bonehead [04:07] the life of an academic :) [04:09] I almost didn't take the job though [04:09] the Air Force requires Windows! [04:09] it's a big change [04:09] oh no! [04:11] bbiab, gotta walk the dog === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [04:53] andv: Here now. Saw that you upload the debdiff, thanks [05:10] slangasek, ping === kklimond1 is now known as kklimonda [05:53] `/lastlog -hilight [05:53] oh whoops [05:54] kklimonda: waiting for 1.6. [05:54] kklimonda: the guys in #ubuntu-desktop weren't keen on taking in an unstable release [05:55] kklimonda: not without a schedule of when the stablew ould be coming out anyway [05:55] hyperair: how stable is it btw? [05:55] ```it's pretty stable, but they've announced 1.5.x as an unstable release [05:55] oh wait, it's in banshee unstable ppa so I can actually test it myself :) [05:55] =) [06:00] oh yeah the banshee unstable ppa has shifted to https://launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive/banshee-unstable [06:59] Can anyone revu ANY of these packages http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/slv2 ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pyphat would also be nice) [07:51] Is there any other way to get people to Revu packages other than posting a request in this channel? [07:54] bdrung_, done [09:02] YokoZar: you don't need to delete the libtorrent unless it has licencing problems, but if it has a different licence than the rest of the sources you need to mention that in debian/copyright [09:03] Riddell: ok, that seems fine (same code as another package we ship) [09:03] not sure why it's in the upstream tarball [09:16] andv: yes, mainterfield change shouldn't be mentioned anymore in the changelog [09:20] YokoZar, for "convenience" [09:20] YokoZar, be happy it's source & not binary! [09:20] fair enough :) === amar is now known as tseng [09:56] how do we install karmic release on jaunty.. [09:56] someone mentioned that it can be done using chroot...i didnt get it.. [09:56] any clue folks? [10:07] how do we install karmic release on jaunty using chroot? [10:07] any clue [10:09] for some reason gmail is sticking all the emails i send from @ubuntu.com into my inbox O_o [10:09] is anyone noticing the same thing? [10:09] kamalnandan: please don't keep repeating your question. [10:09] kamalnandan: Asking same question over and over again won't help you. We already answered yesterday. [10:09] kamalnandan: and this isn't the right place. [10:10] Zhenech: thanks [10:10] bdrung_, yw, in exchange I need a free webdav client for windows :) [10:10] kamalnandan: Did you follow what we gave you yesterday? [10:11] Zhenech: what is windows? :) [10:12] iulian: sorry...infact, i dont have that document with me right now...i am at my workplace and forgot to forward the link(then i was at my home)..it would be kind of you, if you could send the link to me once again..:-) [10:13] i read that, but couldnt follow much...so didnt go futher..however, i want to read that once again with a fresh mindset.. [10:13] bdrung_, that thingy that still does not have a fullz posix compatible env :) [10:15] Zhenech: o, i can remember now. but who wants to use that crap? :) [10:15] I am searching for that page on the internet, but somehow, havnt been able to locate as yet.. [10:15] bdrung_, /me points at that person at the right side of his table [10:16] Zhenech: Sincere condolences to him. [10:19] iulian: can you send the link to me once again, if you dont mind..sorry for being irresponsible... [10:21] bdrung_, her ... [10:21] ok [10:22] !chroot | kamalnandan [10:22] kamalnandan: chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot) [10:22] Hello, what are the typical questions, topics asked in here? [10:22] !pbuilder | kamalnandan [10:22] kamalnandan: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [10:23] In better words, what is the MOTU? [10:24] iulian: thanks a lot..:-).. [10:24] eboyjr: /topic. [10:25] iulian: Oh well my firefox is not working cuz of the update i just got so i cant click the links [10:27] Soo... what is the MOTU [10:32] eboyjr: Then find another way to access those wiki pages. There are loads of things to tell. [10:32] ..thanks. [10:37] if some source files in tarball are missing license header it's a big no-no and I should contact upstream? [10:45] kklimonda, depends how bad it is [10:46] kklimonda, there's no strict rule, more of a gut-feeling "this needs moar licensing" [10:46] directhex: not really - 3 unittests and one header (the "top" one that just includes other) [10:46] feh. i'd let it in === azeem_ is now known as azeem [10:49] a quick question from a newbie-uploader: I just uploaded my first package with dput. Is there a time delay before I can see the upload package on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/? [10:53] up to 3 min or so [10:53] did you use ..._source.changes for upload? [10:54] hmm... has been over 30 minutes now [10:55] see http://dpaste.com/75456/ [10:56] paste is not compete - but has no error messages and ends with "Successfully uploaded packages." [10:57] then you need on one of the REVU admins so he can look into it [10:57] any harm in re-uploading? [10:58] afaik no [10:58] hm says "Already uploaded to revu on revu.ubuntuwire.com Doing nothing for frepple_0.7.1-1_source.changes" [10:59] use -f [11:01] geser, perfect ty for updating me [11:02] andv: this was also once mentioned in a mail on ubuntu-devel but I can't find it right now [11:02] k [11:03] new upload done - http://dpaste.com/75458/ - this time it worked and it is already visible on the page. Thanks! [11:56] Hi all [11:56] Probably silly beginner question, but... === anars is now known as anars_ === anars_ is now known as anars [11:57] How one could start with sources of the packages available in debian/unstable === zul_ is now known as zul [11:57] Is there any documentation/hotos related to that? [11:57] *howtos [12:01] kwah: What do you mean? Do you want to download source packages from unstable? [12:02] At least to begin with [12:02] I'm afraid I don't understand the question. Could you please rephrase? [12:02] add an appropriate deb-src then [12:02] and possible specify the version like apt-get source foo=1.2.3-4 [12:02] Hm. I think I do something wrong then... [12:02] Or use pull-debian-source from ubuntu-dev-tools. [12:03] heh, or that [12:03] I hav a set of files package-xxxx in dsc,orig,diff [12:04] and want to try building it for ubuntu [12:05] In FM (fine manuals) etc, there is always a start from apt-get source... [12:05] Which does a lot of staff "under the hood" apparently. [12:06] kwah: Not really, it just downloads the source package. [12:06] + unpacks tarballs [12:06] + applies patches [12:06] ? [12:07] So, I figured out download part myself... :D [12:11] When you build the package it links everything together. [12:12] So, before I modify something (like adjust package-src/debian/* files) I should build package? [12:13] kwah: s/before/after/. [12:13] pull-debian-source does not do it. I believe because package is still in review and not in the repositories yet. [12:15] ok, how from pack.orig.tar.gz, pack.diff.gz and pack.dsc I can get sources layout I can start modifications then? [12:15] kwah: pull-debian-source just downloads the source package (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz). To build the package you want dpkg-buildpackage. [12:18] dpkg-buildpackage needs proper control files [12:18] how one makes layeout for source package out of (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz) ? [12:18] isnt it automated? [12:18] somehow [12:18] You mean, .deb packages? [12:19] * kwah believes that it is so basic, noone even think about it :D [12:19] You need to build the package in order to get the .deb. [12:19] let me start again [12:20] And please elaborate. [12:20] I have (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz) for certain package [12:20] kwah: Yes, that's the source. [12:20] How can I unpack everything so I can tweak some minor things ? [12:21] kwah: dpkg-source -x *.dsc [12:22] iulian, thanks, that's it [12:22] No problem. [12:23] I remember there was something like that in one of the dozens tutorials I went briefly through last night :( [12:23] Sorry for bothering. [12:25] kwah: If you have any more questions, please ask. [12:26] * kwah should read more carefully [12:26] iulian, ok. [12:32] ttx: ping [12:33] ttx: I was wondering how your jetty6 package is different than the jetty package in Debian experimental [12:33] slytherin: it's the libraries only. No daemon. It's needed so that it can reach main. [12:34] ahh [12:34] slytherin: current state of the package in debian experimental isn't satisfying [12:34] (for main qa standards) [12:34] hmm [12:34] so when it reaches that state are you going to drop your package? [12:34] We'll work to qa and sync it for karmic+1 [12:35] depending on what name they finally choose [12:35] merge or replace it. [12:35] find [12:36] slytherin: I should be able to improve the package in debian when I have more free time it after featurefreeze [12:36] so that karmic+1 sync is painless. [12:37] No issues. I believe we discussed this already. Just didn't recall it when I saw your package. === dyfet` is now known as dyfet [13:05] Laney: I've a question about your haskell overview plot: does it check only a specific arch for installablity? [13:07] geser: yes, i386 [13:10] Laney: I wonder why it marks haskell-curl as green while libghc6-curl-dev being unavailable on i386 [13:11] geser: you can run edos-debcheck manually to find out [13:11] or I can [13:15] geser: It doesn't appear in packages.bz2 [13:15] probably because it never built correctly [13:16] it never build correctly (needs a rebuild) [13:16] yes [13:16] I did give-backs now [13:16] but that explains why it was green [13:17] Laney: it build on sparc and armel in the past, so we need a build1 upload anyway [13:17] just wanted to inform you about a possible bug in the script for the graph if it marks missing packages as ok [13:19] hmm [13:19] :q [13:21] So you have to check for every source package if all of the binaries are present in Packages [13:26] geser: Laney: Which script are you guys talking about? [13:26] haskell-pkg-graph [13:29] oh, I thought it was some generic script to check status of packages. [13:30] it would be nice if it were more generic [13:42] geser: are you taking care of some of the rebuilds? [13:42] Laney: yes, why? [13:43] just curious [13:43] looking at the hsql ones now [13:44] I regularly look at the FBTFS list and unmet deps and transitions are easy to get off those lists [13:45] right [13:49] argh, haskell-http currently in Ubuntu needs a package which isn't there anymore and the new version from Debian needs a newer cdbs than currently in Ubuntu [13:49] yes :( [13:50] I tried to bribe sebner to do that merge [13:50] any success? [13:50] I think not [13:54] StevenK: clutter-gtk 0.10 uploaded [13:54] \o/ ! [13:55] didrocks: Source package name? [13:57] StevenK: clutter-gtk. So, you will just have to ack for new binaries (as 0.8 seems to be a dead branch) [13:57] didrocks: It wants clutter 1.0 ? [13:58] StevenK: yes [13:58]