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| SteveA | hi everyone! | 08:51 |
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| statik | hi aquarius, i'm having trouble with desktopcouch/local_files.py. it imports the ubuntuone module, which is a bogus dependency i think | 12:13 |
| statik | but now i'm a bit stuck figuring out how to replace the is_in_source_tree() code | 12:13 |
| statik | of course, i figured out a way around it as soon as i said that | 12:15 |
| SteveA | Chipaca: hi john | 12:16 |
| Chipaca | hi SteveA! | 12:16 |
| Chipaca | SteveA: face duty? | 12:16 |
| SteveA | Chipaca: I'm the help contact today, and I'm replying to a thead on the ubuntuone-users list | 12:16 |
| SteveA | yep | 12:16 |
| SteveA | a user reports geting a conflict when trying to put a .zip file into their My Files folder | 12:17 |
| SteveA | but no conflict with the same file but under another name | 12:17 |
| SteveA | we don't do anything special for .zip files, do we? | 12:17 |
| Chipaca | nope | 12:17 |
| Chipaca | let me see the email... | 12:17 |
| Chipaca | SteveA: what was the subject of the email? | 12:19 |
| SteveA | "file renamed" | 12:20 |
| aquarius | statik, yeah, just seen rick's bug about that | 12:21 |
| kenvandine | statik, i just pushed a fix in the packaging branch for the missing dep | 12:21 |
| kenvandine | statik, ok if we wait on getting that sponsored? since folks should have u1 installed by default? | 12:22 |
| aquarius | statik, I'm confused. my desktopcouch/local_files.py doesn't import ubuntuone | 12:22 |
| SteveA | Chipaca: I just replied to that thread | 12:22 |
| kenvandine | i figure we will have more stuff this week :) | 12:22 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, i just added the dep | 12:22 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, weird | 12:22 |
| aquarius | kenvandine, aha, gotcha. Yeah, rick's right; we don't want desktopcouch to depend on ubuntuone | 12:23 |
| Chipaca | SteveA: found it, thanks | 12:23 |
| kenvandine | well | 12:23 |
| kenvandine | we need to refactor then | 12:23 |
| kenvandine | chad pushed a change that uses uuid from it or something | 12:23 |
| Chipaca | SteveA: I'm not sure if it's been deployed, but there was a window for spurious conflicts until recently | 12:24 |
| Chipaca | SteveA: related to not telling the difference between an empty file and a file that hasn't been uploaded to yet | 12:24 |
| aquarius | ah, I needed to pull again | 12:24 |
| SteveA | Chipaca: was that the same kind of think I was seeing when trying to edit a new file in vim? | 12:24 |
| SteveA | I'd often get a conflict, even thoughI was the sole users | 12:24 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, it looks like it is using that to detect if it is a local checkout or not | 12:25 |
| aquarius | kenvandine, yep, but I'm not sure why it's looking at ubuntuone to discover that. desktopcouch is a different source tree | 12:25 |
| kenvandine | yeah, it shouldn't :) | 12:25 |
| aquarius | it didn't look at ubuntuone before...and now I can't remember how it worked before because I've overwritten it by pulling :) | 12:26 |
| kenvandine | i will revert my packaging change then | 12:26 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, it was changed in revision 14.6.5 | 12:26 |
| Chipaca | SteveA: no, the editing in vim was because of a bug in syncdaemon itself, which has been fixed and released | 12:28 |
| Chipaca | SteveA: now if you install syncdaemon, we helpfully uninstall vim :-P | 12:29 |
| Chipaca | it's for your own good, really | 12:29 |
| aquarius | kenvandine, bzr: ERROR: Requested revision: u'14.6.5' does not exist in branch: BzrBranch7('file:///home/aquarius/canonical/ubunet/desktopcouch/') | 12:29 |
| kenvandine | ok... well i don't know bzr well enough | 12:29 |
| kenvandine | use blame :) | 12:29 |
| kenvandine | bzr blame desktopcouch/local_files.py | 12:30 |
| statik | i don't particularly like that code, but i just proposed a branch that makes the dependency less horrible | 12:30 |
| CardinalFang | statik, Maybe we should drop the generated PNGs/GIFs and make the browser render data. http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/ (end) | 12:30 |
| statik | CardinalFang, for the file previews? | 12:31 |
| statik | dobey, did you publish review-tool in a public project? | 12:31 |
| CardinalFang | No, :) Launchpad statistics, at least. | 12:32 |
| CardinalFang | There's another place we make graphs.... . | 12:32 |
| CardinalFang | statik, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet/+bug/377540 | 12:33 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/377540/+text) | 12:33 |
| statik | CardinalFang, doesn't launchpad already draw the graphs directly on a <canvas> element using javascript? | 12:35 |
| CardinalFang | statik, Maybe. Dozer? | 12:35 |
| statik | ah | 12:36 |
| statik | dozer is using pil to generate images | 12:36 |
| statik | wow it is really annoying that clicking disconnect on the applet doesn't seem to disconnect or stop the spinning | 12:37 |
| statik | CardinalFang, btw did you get to talk to the gwibber guy yesterday? | 12:37 |
| CardinalFang | statik, Yes. I started on making Gwibber read/write account info to couchdb. | 12:38 |
| statik | sweet! | 12:39 |
| statik | i heard there were some other changes needed to gwibber in order to get gwibber 2.0 into karmic, do you know what those are? | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | statik, http://live.gnome.org/Gwibber/Roadmap | 12:41 |
| statik | jblount, files/new/ is not showing a bunch of the filenames for me using firefox-3.5 on karmic | 12:41 |
| CardinalFang | statik, aquarius, When I started poking data into desktopcouch, I realized I don't have some ideas fleshed out. What should the database name be? Shared among all apps, perhaps? Gwibber doesn't have a canonical web site, so I had to make up a record_type. I hope this is okay. ... | 12:41 |
| statik | CardinalFang, aquarius would know better than me. | 12:46 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, there's a distinction between storing data for a specific application and storing data that other apps may share. Account info sounds to me like a shareable sort of thing. Making up a record type is fine -- the convention is that the URL should point to a description of the record, but it's not enforced. (The convention should be followed where possible, though) | 12:50 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, database name is an interesting one. I suggest storing the data in a "gwibber" database. If, in the future, there's a desktop-wide shared collection of this account data, then inventing a "social_networks" database and changing gwibber to use it seems a good idea. | 12:51 |
| CardinalFang | aquarius, Rgr. | 12:52 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, I'm open to discussion on any of this stuff, btw :) | 12:52 |
| SteveA | aquarius, CardinalFang: I was thinking about gwibber/couch integration on Friday in London | 12:53 |
| SteveA | I'd like to talk through it with y'all. Gwibber has two different models of using contacts -- much like IM applications do | 12:53 |
| SteveA | for some services, like twitter, the service itself records who you are following, online | 12:53 |
| SteveA | and there is one feed to use your own login to read it | 12:54 |
| aquarius | Gwibber's a weird one, because it is (a) an application and (b) a proposed Gateway To Social Networks for all other applications, and how all its data should be stored differs dramatically between these two use cases | 12:54 |
| SteveA | for other services (like following Atom feeds of blogs in gwibber) you say who you are following on your own machine | 12:54 |
| SteveA | in your own database | 12:54 |
| * CardinalFang nods. | 12:54 | |
| SteveA | this is a bit like an IM application where with AOL IM, you ask the AOL server who your buddies are | 12:54 |
| SteveA | same for Jabber | 12:54 |
| SteveA | same for skype | 12:55 |
| SteveA | in these cases, I think we (eventually) should have a syncing arrangement | 12:55 |
| SteveA | where we sync the contact info in a user's couchdb with the info stored in the online service (Jabber, twitter, aol, etc) | 12:55 |
| CardinalFang | SteveA, So, mirror locally what the remote end knows to be a contact list. | 12:55 |
| aquarius | much like pidgin does, hence the "buddy X is on your local list but not in the server list; do you want to add them?" | 12:55 |
| SteveA | aquarius: yes, that kind of thing | 12:56 |
| SteveA | CardinalFang: yes. But, we also have different concepts of a contact to map | 12:56 |
| SteveA | in CouchDB on the desktop for contacts, we have the idea of a person, a contact record | 12:56 |
| SteveA | and in that person's record, we have various means of contacting them | 12:56 |
| SteveA | or seeing information about them | 12:57 |
| SteveA | but compare that to twitter -- there is no distinction between Stephen Fry's twitter identity and his alter-ego Mrs Stephen Fry | 12:57 |
| SteveA | in my couchdb, they'd be the same person record who has two twitter feeds | 12:58 |
| * SteveA --> lunch | 13:09 | |
| SteveA | re | 13:58 |
| dobey | statik: not yet | 14:05 |
| jblount | MEETING BEGINS | 15:00 |
| jblount | People of desktop+, let your voice be heard! A simple "me" (or similar) will get you into the role of todays standup, and tomorrows future. | 15:00 |
| jblount | s/role/roll | 15:00 |
| jblount | me | 15:00 |
| urbanape | moi | 15:00 |
| aquarius | me | 15:01 |
| vds | me | 15:01 |
| jblount | CardinalFang, dobey, statik ? | 15:02 |
| jblount | DONE: Got some more css quirks completed yesterday | 15:03 |
| jblount | TODO: Lots of triage, try to track down what's going down with "live" /files/new truncating stuff | 15:03 |
| jblount | BLOCKED: Nope | 15:03 |
| jblount | urbanape: You know what to do | 15:03 |
| urbanape | DONE: submitted the new UI sharing branch (finally!) with massive help from mars in #rhinos. | 15:03 |
| urbanape | TODO: Cranking through on the newui bugs now that the bare (just barely) functionality is present. | 15:03 |
| urbanape | BLOCK: nada | 15:03 |
| urbanape | AGE OF AQUARIUS! AQUAAAAARIUS! AQUAAAAAARIUS! | 15:03 |
| aquarius | ⚀ DONE: evaluate couchdbkit; lots of cool stuff going into couch upstream; frustrating day | 15:03 |
| aquarius | ⚁ TODO: piston oauth in snowy; learn about process groups; branch to do desktopcouch startup | 15:03 |
| aquarius | ⚂ BLOCKED: none | 15:03 |
| aquarius | Alas, poor vds: I knew him, Horatio | 15:03 |
| vds | DONE: fixed nasty bug in one of my branch, waiting to fix an issue with cloud_server before proposing that branch again, waiting for funambol_cared branch to be approved, discussed about funambol exchange deployment. | 15:03 |
| vds | TODO: land both branches, continue with the deployment of fx | 15:03 |
| vds | BLOCKED: nope | 15:03 |
| vds | no one else? | 15:04 |
| urbanape | slackers | 15:04 |
| jblount | vds: No one else me'd, so we'll EOM for now, let them paste when they get a chance :) | 15:04 |
| jblount | END OF MEETING | 15:04 |
| CardinalFang | me | 15:04 |
| CardinalFang | dang! | 15:04 |
| CardinalFang | DONE: most of spawning/paste integration. Starting Gwibber/desktopcouch integration. | 15:06 |
| CardinalFang | TODO: finish spawning/paste, at least. | 15:07 |
| CardinalFang | TODO: finish spawning/paste, at least. Maybe Gwibber. Ideas, anyone? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gwibber/DesktopCouch | 15:07 |
| CardinalFang | BLOCKED: None. | 15:07 |
| CardinalFang | Next! | 15:07 |
| * CardinalFang dereference null pointer. | 15:07 | |
| * CardinalFang crashes. | 15:07 | |
| jblount | heh | 15:07 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, what's "record_version"? | 15:08 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, that wants to be record_type_version :) | 15:08 |
| CardinalFang | aquarius, You're prob right. | 15:08 |
| aquarius | and I'd suggest adding record_type explicitly to the spec on that page as well (in the json dump) | 15:09 |
| aquarius | things that are completely specific to gwibber should go in application_annotations, but I'm not sure there are any. message_colour is...debatable. | 15:10 |
| aquarius | what's account_id for? the document gets an ID anyway | 15:10 |
| CardinalFang | Yeah, I'm about to refactor that away. Currently, I'm sharing space with GConf, and using its IDs. | 15:11 |
| rodrigo_ | CardinalFang: we are adding record_type pages to freedesktop -> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch | 15:17 |
| rodrigo_ | CardinalFang: so add it there when you're happy with it, please :) | 15:17 |
| rodrigo_ | dobey: can you please review https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/couchdb-glib/set-get-uuids/+merge/9660 ? We are waiting to do a release on that branch | 15:18 |
| dobey | @reviewers | 15:19 |
| CardinalFang | rodrigo_, Oh, that's prefect. I feel better seeing that than making up my own information. | 15:19 |
| rodrigo_ | CardinalFang: cool :) | 15:20 |
| aquarius | rodrigo_, CardinalFang: I'm not sure about adding the gwibber record pages to the freedesktop wiki | 15:21 |
| aquarius | thos pages aren't meant to be documentation of every record type that exists (people should not feel constrained to add their record types to the freedesktop wiki!) | 15:21 |
| rodrigo_ | aquarius: well, if it's only for gwibber, right, but this is about online services accounts, right? | 15:21 |
| aquarius | rodrigo_, yeah, but the record type for these records isn't a freedesktop url | 15:21 |
| aquarius | and I don't want to encourage people to think that all recordtypes live at freedesktop | 15:22 |
| rodrigo_ | aquarius: because we don't have the xdg page yet :) | 15:22 |
| aquarius | gwibber records seem a perfect example of something that shouldn't be a centralised freedesktop url record | 15:22 |
| aquarius | they're semi-specific to gwibber | 15:22 |
| aquarius | I am sort of on the fence about this particular example, I admit it | 15:22 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, if it's specific to gwibber, ok, but I see it could be extended to be an 'accounts' record type, right? | 15:23 |
| aquarius | yes, definitely | 15:23 |
| aquarius | I'd just like there to be some examples of non-generic record types, and the gwibber ones seem like a good example. This is the conflict in what gwibber's for: is it an app for monitoring feeds of your social networks, or is it a gateway to social networks for the whole desktop with a little GUI on top of it? | 15:25 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, right | 15:28 |
| SteveA | jcastro: hi jorge! | 16:06 |
| jcastro | hi SteveA! | 16:06 |
| jdo | my ubuntuone icon is spinning. is there a way to find out what it's doing? | 16:33 |
| jdo | I didn't update anything | 16:33 |
| dobey | jdo: syncdaemon log should tell you the current state | 17:04 |
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| druid2 | hello, sorry for my english. | 20:50 |
| druid2 | i have a question: can ubuntuone client show upload progress? | 20:51 |
| jblount | druid2: If you do "u1sdtool --current-transfers" in a terminal, you can get upload / download progress | 20:53 |
| jblount | We'll have that in the ui shortly | 20:53 |
| druid2 | thank you | 20:53 |
| jblount | druid2: Sure thing :) | 20:54 |
| peppertarts | Hi all, does anyone know how to validate a computer with UbuntuOne after the computer has been removed using the web interface? | 22:39 |
| dobey | peppertarts: you'll need to remove the "UbuntuOne token" from the Passwords tab in Accessories->Passwords and Encryption Keys | 22:40 |
| dobey | though that will behave more appropriately soon | 22:40 |
| peppertarts | dobey: Excellent, that's got it. Thanks. | 22:41 |
| aquarius | dobey, should that be a FAQ? | 22:59 |
| aquarius | there's an interesting question. peppertarts, can I ask whether you looked at our faq list for an answer to that question? | 23:00 |
| peppertarts | I looked in the 'Support' section, the 'Known issues' section and browsed through some of the bugs. I haven't come across a FAQ page, is it on ubuntuone.com? A link to it in the support section would be handy. | 23:24 |
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