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winkmanHi, I'm running Xubuntu 9.04 Jaunty on a toshiba laptop, with a Trident graphics card, and I am unable to use the Fn + F5 key to use multiple monitors. Can someone please point me in the right direction?03:02
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mezquitale!video card04:40
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about video card04:40
mezquitaleanyone knows how to configure a video card in xubuntu?04:41
gaurdrowhat card do you have? and what are you trying to configure about it?05:02
mezquitalegaurdro, I have an old compaq armada m300 and I dont see a splash image when I boot up to xubuntu, I first installed ubuntu and was seeing a splash image, then I installed xubuntu and don't see a splash image,05:04
mezquitalewhen I boot up the machine I can see the BIOS kick in, then I see GRUB starting and asks if I want to click on ESC but then it goes black for a few minutes and then it shows me the graphics login prompt for xubuntu, I dont see a splash image05:05
gaurdrodoes text go by on the screen while it is actually booting?05:06
mezquitalenope, I have to click on "ctrl-alt-f1" to see text and how it's actually booting up05:08
gaurdrookay,  make sure usplash is installed and the newest version05:08
gaurdroand remove usplash-theme-ubuntu05:08
gaurdroit's the ubuntu theme,  I've had it cause problems when I've converted a machine to xubuntu.  it's not critical to the system at all.05:09
mezquitaleguardro, im going to 1. search to see if usplash them is installed and then uninstall ubuntu theme05:12
gaurdrocorrect.  usplash is the thing that actually gives you a splash image (it's not a theme)  the second package is a theme for usplash05:14
mezquitalegaurdro, sorry for mispelling your nick, thanks, i just found a good thread in google, you gave me the search terms I needed and I got the answer, let me try it, be back in a few05:15
gaurdrommkay,  no worries,  both are highlights for me.05:15
mezquitalegaurdro, do you know if xubuntu supports old ATI video cards?05:20
gaurdroit does if ubuntu does.  I don't know exactly what either supports in the way of old hardware.05:21
gaurdrowell,  you get a graphical login,  so it supports it to some extent.05:22
mezquitalewhat's really weird in this laptop is that the consoles have the text way too big, ubuntu had it right, I already reconfigured xorg in xubuntu but the text is too big in the consoles but other than that it kicks the lamas @ss05:23
mezquitalegaurdro, it didn't work :-(05:23
gaurdrocheck if xubuntu-artwork-usplash is installed05:26
mezquitalei just installed it05:27
gaurdrohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54208205:29
gaurdrofollow that in 'reverse'   it's a post on how to remove the splash screen05:29
mezquitalegaurdro, thanks, you just offered me another alternative, if I can see the bootup text then that'll work as well, as a matter of fact, it'll be better! LoL  thanks!  Let me follow that guide, brb05:32
mezquitalegaurdro, im going to try uninstall ubuntu theme first, this time im going to update grub though05:34
mezquitalegaurdro, do i have to remove "quiet" and "splash" from the "kernel" line in menu.lst??05:54
gaurdrothat's the correct line.05:56
gaurdroremoving both of them,  will get rid of the splash screen (even if it starts working), and show you startup text.05:56
mezquitalegaurdro, when I update grub it automatically  changes the line with "defoptions", it comments it out06:00
mezquitalegaurdro, i removed "quiet" in the first "kernel" line in menu.lst, lets see what happens06:01
mezquitaleMinor success, I saw a bunch of text then the black screen again, I'm going to remove the "quiet" part and see what happens06:03
mezquitalegaurdro, excellent!  I disabled quiet and splash in the "kernel" line and now I can see text showing that the laptop is booting up, that's what I wanted to see, thanks!06:10
mezquitalegaurdro, you have any other tips?  I want to make xubuntu run as fast as it can, I can't add any memory though06:10
surgyhi06:56
surgyhow do you install xubuntu using a usb drive on a computer with no internet conection that cant boot through usb?06:56
surgyhard one huh?06:58
surgy how do you install xubuntu using a usb drive on a computer with no internet conection that cant boot through usb?07:02
_Pete_install unetbootin, prepare usb-stick with that and install07:02
_Pete_sorry07:03
_Pete_if  you cant boot from usbdrive then no idea07:03
psycho_oreosumm update the bios first :p07:04
psycho_oreoswhats the point of installing xubuntu using usb when the computer doesn't even boot usb? wouldn't it be more logical to make the computer able to boot into usb before installing xubuntu?07:04
psycho_oreosand don't repeat your questions, ask and wait07:04
surgywell the bios doesnt support booting from usb07:05
psycho_oreosso try updating the bios then07:05
surgy...07:05
surgyor maybe try a more friendly part of this community07:05
surgyill stick with ubuntu07:06
surgysorry for waisting your time07:06
psycho_oreosthen how are you supposed to install it? there's plop linux :p07:06
surgy?07:07
psycho_oreosif your car doesn't have wheels on it, how are you supposed to drive?07:07
surgydude im no noob to computers or linux07:08
surgyive been on ubuntu for ten years07:08
surgywell fedora for 4 of it07:08
psycho_oreosand how did you manage to install linux in this instance?07:08
surgybut anyways, i have neever ran into this problem07:08
psycho_oreoswell you can't boot into usb, so you need some other device, probably cd or floppy disk?07:09
psycho_oreosdoes the bios support either of those?07:09
surgycd would work07:09
psycho_oreoswell burn xubuntu onto cd then07:09
psycho_oreossaves a hell lot of mucking around booting through usb07:09
surgyyep07:09
psycho_oreosif you still insist on booting through usb and the computer you are stuck with can only boot cd or floppy, yes there is another possibility, using plop linux.. that author made a versatile program that would make computer boot almost from anything, even possibly usb07:11
surgyi have been using wubi, and havnt messed around with a "real" install in a while, and i am hopping i can get back into windows, my 3G wireless card has to be "initialised" using a win32 system. basicly it will stay on forever granted no powerloss, but for somereason buntu cant get it to turn on07:11
psycho_oreosyou're probably missing proprietary drivers or a portion of the firmware07:12
surgywhich is why im not using wubi this time07:12
surgyyou mean thats why buntu wont power it up?07:12
psycho_oreosbut xubuntu, like ubuntu can be burnt onto cds07:12
psycho_oreosno07:12
psycho_oreosits your computer not ubuntu07:12
surgyk07:12
surgywell its a cricket usb broadband software 3g modem07:13
surgywith built in windows drivers...07:13
psycho_oreosyeah07:13
psycho_oreosmost hardwares almost always aim for windows support, makes it extremely difficult for other platform users to be able to enjoy the same benefit07:14
surgyso is there a proprietary driver for cricket provided by canonicle? because i have never heard of it07:14
psycho_oreoswhilst you still have internet connection, I suggest you to dive deep into that hardware, get the chipset model name and number.. and start googling07:14
surgythe modem works fine, just everytime i unplug it i always have to start out in windows to get it to power up then i can restart in buntu and everything is good07:15
psycho_oreosI don't know, I don't have any 3G modems let alone these USB ones07:15
surgyi have two computers..07:15
surgybut ok07:15
surgyill do my research07:16
psycho_oreossharing one 3G usb?07:16
surgyno07:16
surgynext week im getting another07:16
psycho_oreosmm07:16
psycho_oreosits weird, I think you are going through the auth loop hole07:17
psycho_oreosyou run it through windows, I'm sure you're logging in on the usb.. you reset and run linux and the node on the other end still assumes you are still alive07:18
psycho_oreosso it will still provide internet connection I presume07:18
surgyumm no07:18
surgyubuntu still has to "dial" and re auth07:19
surgyjust the modem has a green light and bars representing power and reception respectively07:19
psycho_oreosbut why does it need to be powered up under windows? that's quite weird07:19
surgyuntil you sign into windows there are no bars07:19
surgyodd right?07:19
psycho_oreosprobably a firmware or some sort of switch07:20
_Pete_http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-setup-cricket-wireless-a600-broadband-modem-in-ubuntu.html07:21
_Pete_is this your modem?07:21
surgyyes sir07:22
_Pete_http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=719774007:22
_Pete_I put "cricket usb broadband software 3g modem" to google and those are two first links07:23
_Pete_oops07:23
surgythe first link you gave me doesnt adress my problem, since ubuntu is acessing the modem just fine07:23
_Pete_"ubuntu cricket usb broadband software 3g modem"07:23
surgythnx07:25
psycho_oreosI suppose you might have to try the first link when the modem is not working, i.e. no lights on the stick itself07:26
nikolamhi. just one quick thing..07:26
nikolamHow do I lower default cpu/disk priority for process(es) that are doing package management/update?07:26
nikolamEvery time some package is installed or update is done, I mostly can not use my machine due to all other apps are frozen for a few minutes07:27
psycho_oreoswhy don't you crontab those process(es) to do updates when you least need it?07:27
nikolampsycho_oreos, i suppose they are or something, but it pops up on taskbar and wait for me to install on update07:28
nikolamBut problem is machine locks even when i manually start some  package installations, etc07:28
nikolamI would like to use my machine even while installing something, etc..07:29
psycho_oreoswell no, afaik the update manager only grabs updates of any latest news.. and prompts you whether to install them or not.. by default it will ask you07:29
nikolamI know that psycho_oreos so problem is generally of priority of processes that are doing install of packages, over rest of the system07:30
nikolamI am not sure if disk is problem or cpu, but rest of machine is unusable (frozen) while installing07:30
nikolamBtw, I am running hardy/8.04.3 64-bit07:31
psycho_oreosnikolam, well I suppose you could always schedule apt-get/aptitude to do updates automatically during non-computer usage07:36
psycho_oreosI've just checked update-manager under cli and it seems that it is probably also possible to make it do the same but I have not tried it yet07:37
nikolampsycho_oreos, thanks, but it is not the problem When update or install is done.  Problem is High usage of resources by Install process that doesn`t seems want to share with rest of the userland programs while doing its job.08:07
nikolamRescheduling doesn`t solve system locking when user is doing manually install AND want do do its job at the computer at the same time.08:07
psycho_oreosnikolam, yeah hence that's why you schedule it to operate when you aren't using the computer no? I don't know of any other particular way unless you want to schedule nice to run every one minute08:08
nikolampsycho_oreos, I don`t think that is solution here.08:08
psycho_oreoswell to change the priority set by user is using nice08:08
nikolamProblem is with default processes priority.08:08
psycho_oreosnice requires the name of the program08:08
nikolamDefault.08:09
psycho_oreosand no I don't know of any way to change the default process priority, its probably something to do with either the program or the kernel source :p08:09
psycho_oreosread the source codes for both08:09
psycho_oreosmight help you alot better :p08:09
nikolampsycho_oreos, thanks for your input, but i don`t think it have to do with kernel, but with system scripts that do instalaltions etc08:10
nikolampsycho_oreos, you are not helping :P08:10
psycho_oreosnikolam, and kernel doesn't schedule which programs on which priority? no?08:10
nikolampsycho_oreos, thank you for your input, but I will not continue to talk with you on this subject publicly, if you want, you can do it on pvt. 10x08:11
psycho_oreoshah whatever, go enjoy your own monologue08:12
nikolampsycho_oreos, Channel is intended for multiple users. You can also check source if you like.08:12
psycho_oreosnikolam, you're the one having the problem not me08:13
nikolampsycho_oreos, please stop.08:14
psycho_oreoshey you're the one who's carrying it on like a cry baby08:16
nikolampsycho_oreos, please go away.08:16
psycho_oreosI've given you alternatives but you want the actual solution08:16
ocshi. how can I add a new panel to the desktop ?10:05
ablomenocs, if you right-click on a panel and select "customize pannel" there is a big plus, if you hit that, you get a new one10:09
ocsablomen: thanks. that was really not intuitive10:12
stickpimphi12:47
stickpimpi'm trying to get URGENT window blinking in the taskbar working for pidgin on jaunty... i could not find a setting in pidgin... however i found the settings in the xfwm-tweaks, checked the two boxes on the bottom relating to the URGENT window hint, and did killall xfwm412:48
stickpimphowever i still don't get blinking windows12:49
stickpimpany ideas12:49
stickpimp?12:49
stickpimpcould it be pidgin?12:49
stickpimpoh, it's working for xchat12:51
stickpimpdo i have to restart pidgin after changing the settings for xfwm?12:51
stickpimpi had to activate a pidgin plugin12:58
stickpimphere my self-conversation ends12:58
stickpimpthanks to myself for the help12:58
stickpimp:)12:58
stickpimpbye12:59
Raggshey, how do u update my menus? i run update-menus and no change14:51
Raggshi an0nmat1r14:53
an0nmat1rhi Raggs14:53
Raggsknow how to reset menus?14:54
an0nmat1r:( kiddo here14:54
Raggsok14:54
Raggsso you're here to get help or just shoot the bull?14:55
an0nmat1rfor a amd sempro 1600., 2gb DDR1 400mhz , what would be best? fedora? ubuntu? xubuntu?14:56
Raggshow new to linux are you?14:57
an0nmat1rhmm..14:58
an0nmat1rtotally!14:58
Raggssweet14:58
Raggsi would start with either ubuntu or xubuntu14:58
an0nmat1r:) thanx14:59
Raggsreally doesnt matter which, infact you can have both on the computer at the same time14:59
an0nmat1ri would require to run some win exe's15:00
Raggsdual boot then15:00
an0nmat1rwine!15:00
Raggsit works, i just keep a windows partition when i need it15:00
ptizzyi would recommend using virtualbox, run windows in a virtual machine.15:02
Raggsthat is another good idea15:02
Raggshi ptizzy15:02
ptizzyhi Raggs15:02
Raggsvirtualbox is easy15:03
an0nmat1rso who would support a virtual box more?15:03
an0nmat1rxub, ub , fed ?15:03
ptizzyi run xubuntu in virtualbox on my winxp laptop at work.  works really well.  i have not run it on a linux host, though.15:03
ptizzyi would expect them all to support it well.  virtualbox.org has very good forums.15:04
Raggsan0nmat1r, i run virtualbox on Debian15:04
an0nmat1rhow does ubuntu binaries go on xubuntu?15:04
an0nmat1r100% ?15:04
Raggsas far as i know they do15:04
an0nmat1ri think i will go with xubuntu15:05
an0nmat1ri reason being .. i already have a copy of it15:05
ablomenan0nmat1r, its the same OS, just a few different packages15:06
Raggslol, good plan then15:06
an0nmat1rxubuntu is supposed to be less resource hungry.. right?15:06
Raggsan0nmat1r, the only really diference is the desktops15:06
an0nmat1rhmm15:06
Raggsxfce vs gnome15:07
an0nmat1rkde and gnome.. which is better for a new bie.. with less display memory15:07
an0nmat1r?15:07
ablomenan0nmat1r, yep, because of those changed packages (of which the desktop plays a big part)15:07
ptizzyxubuntu uses xfce desktop instead of gnome.  xfce is considered a light/mid-weight desktop.15:07
an0nmat1roops i thought its xfce15:07
Raggsi prefer gnome an0nmat1r15:07
an0nmat1rany reason why?15:07
Raggsto kde415:08
Raggsit seems faster15:08
Raggsi installed xubuntu on my noob brothers computer, he has had little to no problems15:08
an0nmat1rif xfce is light.. should it not be faster?15:08
ptizzykde 4.3 has gotten good reviews.  i haven't tried it though.15:09
ablomenan0nmat1r, it is15:09
Raggsan0nmat1r, but xubuntu still has alot of gnome under the hood so to speak15:09
an0nmat1rok!15:10
ptizzyan0nmat1r: i would install ubuntu, then install xfce.  then you can switch back and forth between gnome and xfce and see which one you prefer.15:10
an0nmat1rme too much a noob to be able to do that for the moment15:11
Raggsan0nmat1r, or the other way around, as you already have the xubuntu CD15:11
Raggsan0nmat1r, i can help you do it15:11
an0nmat1rhmm.. i have fedora too15:11
an0nmat1rand thats the issue15:11
Raggsi dont care for fedora, i think it would be harder for you15:12
Raggsand yes, i have actually run it for sometime15:12
Raggso123hallo, hiya15:40
TheSilentWarriorhi, how can i reinstall my Xubuntu without cdrom? (my laptop only has cdrom, and i have no CDs around ><) ... maybe using an ISO? (i had ubuntu, then installed kubuntu then installed Xubuntu, and somehow it loops in the login screen)16:02
ablomenTheSilentWarrior, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick << i think you can use any *ubuntu image for that16:11
youareno6I use GSynaptics to turn off touchpad tapping, but it is not persistant between reboots. Anyone have a better way to turn off touchpad tapping?17:37
th0ryouareno6: install synclient17:42
th0ryouareno6: I think you have to add a line or two to xorg.conf....check the web if synclient doesn't tell you17:43
youareno6xorg.conf is empty. But I think I found a good how-to. synclient was missing from my google search ;-)17:44
th0ryouareno6: it is little known but works well. synclient TouchPadOff=0 or 1 will handle the touchpad.17:45
youareno6th0r: Thanks. Looks like TouchpadOff=2 according to: http://www.martinhammer.com/blog/index.php/2009/04/disable-laptop-touchpad-tapping-in-xubuntu-904/17:46
th0ryouareno6: I use 0 and 1 with jaunty...have it on the panel so it is one click away17:47
youareno6Thanks th0r17:50
elharrachihello, salut, how can i check the bios version18:44
elharrachiand is it possible ti update it?18:44
knomeelharrachi, check you motherboard manual18:45
TheSheepdepends on your manufacturer, but it is usually displayed on boot18:46
elharrachinewbe !!18:46
elharrachidont have it18:46
TheSheepactually lshw may show it too18:46
elharrachiwhat is lshw?18:47
TheSheepa command18:47
TheSheepthat displays you information about your hardware18:47
elharrachihow do i type it?18:47
* TheSheep blinks18:47
TheSheepah18:48
TheSheepopen a terminal18:48
TheSheepit's in the 'accessories' menu18:48
elharrachiyep18:48
elharrachidone18:48
TheSheepif you run it with sudo in front it shows more info18:49
elharrachii have linux since 2 days, so ...:=)=18:51
surgyhello, i have xubuntu installed on my other desktop, and im having a problem. Ther monitor only supports 800x600 at 60hz and i think xubuntu is higher than this by default, and so after xubuntu bots the monitor says it cant read the signal and just goes black. i should be able to fix this in the fstab right? how do i access the terminal in this situation? and what is the defualt directory of fstab?19:05
knomesurgy, fstab has nothing to do with displays.19:07
surgymy bad19:07
surgyi ment xorg19:07
surgyxorg.conf19:07
moodogheya :)19:07
durt /etc/X11/19:07
knomesurgy, ctrl+alt+f1 should give you a tty to log in from19:07
surgycan i change run levels somehow and then edit my xorg.conf to start x11 at a different defualt resolution?19:07
surgyand the directory to xorg.conf is?  /usr/X11/xorg.conf ?19:08
durtsurgy, why not boot into recovery mode from the grub prompt?19:08
knomesurgy, /etc/X11/xorg.conf - just boot after you've done your things. what durt recommended is an other option.19:09
durter, grub menu19:09
durtyou're going to find the xorg.conf file quite empty.19:10
surgyisnt there a command to enter a step by step reconfiguration of xorg?19:11
elharrachithanks TheSheep19:12
durtsurgy, that's very old, take a look at 'man xrandr'19:15
surgyyeah xorg is empty and the autofixoption in the recovery console didnt do anything19:23
surgyand im not understanding how to use xrandr19:27
surgywhen i type "sudo xrandr --output default --mode 800x600" it says "cant open display"19:48
surgy...\20:00
surgymy login resolution is too high for my monitor which only supports up to 800x600, i just instaleld it and when i switch to a ttyl login and type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf the file is empty. also when i try "sudo xrandr --output default --mode 800x600" it says "cant open display" any help would be greatly appreciated20:08
Zajjko1When connecting an external video-output (projector), upon playing video (avi, xvid) in VLC - I only get a blank screen on the external-output but video as normal on the laptop-monitor20:16
arianitVideocard resolution does not get saved on my 9.04 system when I restart. I go to NVIDIA X Server Settings and pick the resolution. I click Apply and everything works great until next restart when it resets to 800x600. If I click Save to X Configuration file, it says "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!"20:21
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youareno6arianit: I don;t have a solution, but I do know there no longer exists an xorg.conf file.20:25
arianityouareno6, hmm. well that's what NVIDIA X Servers Settings has there20:28
arianit*Server20:28
arianitare you familiar with it?20:28
youareno6arianit: Sorry, no. I was just dealing with a separate issue with trackpad settings and found xorg.conf is not used anymore. The X settings appear to be created on the fly. Might want to figure out how X is not configured.20:29
youareno6s/not/sow/20:29
youareno6s/sow/now (too much coffee)20:30
arianityouareno6, are you saying that xorg.conf is recreated in every session anew?20:30
youareno6Well, the settings that are pulled from xorg.conf is created dynamically. Thus, no need for a persistant conf file. However, there has to be some way of changing things persistantly.20:33
youareno6Try # lshal | grep x1120:33
youareno6Maybe there is something there that points to the setting that is necessary. that is what I did for the trackpad20:33
youareno6arianit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/38008220:37
arianityouareno6, yes that  is it. it's interesting that I have the same problem in both computers20:49
arianittesting a solution and we'll see if it works20:49
arianitthnx20:49
youareno6your welcome20:50
surgywoot fixed my problem20:53
GuiriHey guys. Is there a way to uninstall most of the unecessary Gnome files and then sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?20:54
BesogonGuiri, may be "sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" will help.21:04
GuiriBesagon: found it http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce21:08
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reubenhi all does any one know how to change the colour depth to 24bit?21:58
reubenno i cant find it either22:01

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