[03:02] <winkman> Hi, I'm running Xubuntu 9.04 Jaunty on a toshiba laptop, with a Trident graphics card, and I am unable to use the Fn + F5 key to use multiple monitors. Can someone please point me in the right direction?
[04:40] <mezquitale> !video card
[04:41] <mezquitale> anyone knows how to configure a video card in xubuntu?
[05:02] <gaurdro> what card do you have? and what are you trying to configure about it?
[05:04] <mezquitale> gaurdro, I have an old compaq armada m300 and I dont see a splash image when I boot up to xubuntu, I first installed ubuntu and was seeing a splash image, then I installed xubuntu and don't see a splash image,
[05:05] <mezquitale> when I boot up the machine I can see the BIOS kick in, then I see GRUB starting and asks if I want to click on ESC but then it goes black for a few minutes and then it shows me the graphics login prompt for xubuntu, I dont see a splash image
[05:06] <gaurdro> does text go by on the screen while it is actually booting?
[05:08] <mezquitale> nope, I have to click on "ctrl-alt-f1" to see text and how it's actually booting up
[05:08] <gaurdro> okay,  make sure usplash is installed and the newest version
[05:08] <gaurdro> and remove usplash-theme-ubuntu
[05:09] <gaurdro> it's the ubuntu theme,  I've had it cause problems when I've converted a machine to xubuntu.  it's not critical to the system at all.
[05:12] <mezquitale> guardro, im going to 1. search to see if usplash them is installed and then uninstall ubuntu theme
[05:14] <gaurdro> correct.  usplash is the thing that actually gives you a splash image (it's not a theme)  the second package is a theme for usplash
[05:15] <mezquitale> gaurdro, sorry for mispelling your nick, thanks, i just found a good thread in google, you gave me the search terms I needed and I got the answer, let me try it, be back in a few
[05:15] <gaurdro> mmkay,  no worries,  both are highlights for me.
[05:20] <mezquitale> gaurdro, do you know if xubuntu supports old ATI video cards?
[05:21] <gaurdro> it does if ubuntu does.  I don't know exactly what either supports in the way of old hardware.
[05:22] <gaurdro> well,  you get a graphical login,  so it supports it to some extent.
[05:23] <mezquitale> what's really weird in this laptop is that the consoles have the text way too big, ubuntu had it right, I already reconfigured xorg in xubuntu but the text is too big in the consoles but other than that it kicks the lamas @ss
[05:23] <mezquitale> gaurdro, it didn't work :-(
[05:26] <gaurdro> check if xubuntu-artwork-usplash is installed
[05:27] <mezquitale> i just installed it
[05:29] <gaurdro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=542082
[05:29] <gaurdro> follow that in 'reverse'   it's a post on how to remove the splash screen
[05:32] <mezquitale> gaurdro, thanks, you just offered me another alternative, if I can see the bootup text then that'll work as well, as a matter of fact, it'll be better! LoL  thanks!  Let me follow that guide, brb
[05:34] <mezquitale> gaurdro, im going to try uninstall ubuntu theme first, this time im going to update grub though
[05:54] <mezquitale> gaurdro, do i have to remove "quiet" and "splash" from the "kernel" line in menu.lst??
[05:56] <gaurdro> that's the correct line.
[05:56] <gaurdro> removing both of them,  will get rid of the splash screen (even if it starts working), and show you startup text.
[06:00] <mezquitale> gaurdro, when I update grub it automatically  changes the line with "defoptions", it comments it out
[06:01] <mezquitale> gaurdro, i removed "quiet" in the first "kernel" line in menu.lst, lets see what happens
[06:03] <mezquitale> Minor success, I saw a bunch of text then the black screen again, I'm going to remove the "quiet" part and see what happens
[06:10] <mezquitale> gaurdro, excellent!  I disabled quiet and splash in the "kernel" line and now I can see text showing that the laptop is booting up, that's what I wanted to see, thanks!
[06:10] <mezquitale> gaurdro, you have any other tips?  I want to make xubuntu run as fast as it can, I can't add any memory though
[06:56] <surgy> hi
[06:56] <surgy> how do you install xubuntu using a usb drive on a computer with no internet conection that cant boot through usb?
[06:58] <surgy> hard one huh?
[07:02] <surgy>  how do you install xubuntu using a usb drive on a computer with no internet conection that cant boot through usb?
[07:02] <_Pete_> install unetbootin, prepare usb-stick with that and install
[07:03] <_Pete_> sorry
[07:03] <_Pete_> if  you cant boot from usbdrive then no idea
[07:04] <psycho_oreos> umm update the bios first :p
[07:04] <psycho_oreos> whats the point of installing xubuntu using usb when the computer doesn't even boot usb? wouldn't it be more logical to make the computer able to boot into usb before installing xubuntu?
[07:04] <psycho_oreos> and don't repeat your questions, ask and wait
[07:05] <surgy> well the bios doesnt support booting from usb
[07:05] <psycho_oreos> so try updating the bios then
[07:05] <surgy> ...
[07:05] <surgy> or maybe try a more friendly part of this community
[07:06] <surgy> ill stick with ubuntu
[07:06] <surgy> sorry for waisting your time
[07:06] <psycho_oreos> then how are you supposed to install it? there's plop linux :p
[07:07] <surgy> ?
[07:07] <psycho_oreos> if your car doesn't have wheels on it, how are you supposed to drive?
[07:08] <surgy> dude im no noob to computers or linux
[07:08] <surgy> ive been on ubuntu for ten years
[07:08] <surgy> well fedora for 4 of it
[07:08] <psycho_oreos> and how did you manage to install linux in this instance?
[07:08] <surgy> but anyways, i have neever ran into this problem
[07:09] <psycho_oreos> well you can't boot into usb, so you need some other device, probably cd or floppy disk?
[07:09] <psycho_oreos> does the bios support either of those?
[07:09] <surgy> cd would work
[07:09] <psycho_oreos> well burn xubuntu onto cd then
[07:09] <psycho_oreos> saves a hell lot of mucking around booting through usb
[07:09] <surgy> yep
[07:11] <psycho_oreos> if you still insist on booting through usb and the computer you are stuck with can only boot cd or floppy, yes there is another possibility, using plop linux.. that author made a versatile program that would make computer boot almost from anything, even possibly usb
[07:11] <surgy> i have been using wubi, and havnt messed around with a "real" install in a while, and i am hopping i can get back into windows, my 3G wireless card has to be "initialised" using a win32 system. basicly it will stay on forever granted no powerloss, but for somereason buntu cant get it to turn on
[07:12] <psycho_oreos> you're probably missing proprietary drivers or a portion of the firmware
[07:12] <surgy> which is why im not using wubi this time
[07:12] <surgy> you mean thats why buntu wont power it up?
[07:12] <psycho_oreos> but xubuntu, like ubuntu can be burnt onto cds
[07:12] <psycho_oreos> no
[07:12] <psycho_oreos> its your computer not ubuntu
[07:12] <surgy> k
[07:13] <surgy> well its a cricket usb broadband software 3g modem
[07:13] <surgy> with built in windows drivers...
[07:13] <psycho_oreos> yeah
[07:14] <psycho_oreos> most hardwares almost always aim for windows support, makes it extremely difficult for other platform users to be able to enjoy the same benefit
[07:14] <surgy> so is there a proprietary driver for cricket provided by canonicle? because i have never heard of it
[07:14] <psycho_oreos> whilst you still have internet connection, I suggest you to dive deep into that hardware, get the chipset model name and number.. and start googling
[07:15] <surgy> the modem works fine, just everytime i unplug it i always have to start out in windows to get it to power up then i can restart in buntu and everything is good
[07:15] <psycho_oreos> I don't know, I don't have any 3G modems let alone these USB ones
[07:15] <surgy> i have two computers..
[07:15] <surgy> but ok
[07:16] <surgy> ill do my research
[07:16] <psycho_oreos> sharing one 3G usb?
[07:16] <surgy> no
[07:16] <surgy> next week im getting another
[07:16] <psycho_oreos> mm
[07:17] <psycho_oreos> its weird, I think you are going through the auth loop hole
[07:18] <psycho_oreos> you run it through windows, I'm sure you're logging in on the usb.. you reset and run linux and the node on the other end still assumes you are still alive
[07:18] <psycho_oreos> so it will still provide internet connection I presume
[07:18] <surgy> umm no
[07:19] <surgy> ubuntu still has to "dial" and re auth
[07:19] <surgy> just the modem has a green light and bars representing power and reception respectively
[07:19] <psycho_oreos> but why does it need to be powered up under windows? that's quite weird
[07:19] <surgy> until you sign into windows there are no bars
[07:19] <surgy> odd right?
[07:20] <psycho_oreos> probably a firmware or some sort of switch
[07:21] <_Pete_> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-setup-cricket-wireless-a600-broadband-modem-in-ubuntu.html
[07:21] <_Pete_> is this your modem?
[07:22] <surgy> yes sir
[07:22] <_Pete_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7197740
[07:23] <_Pete_> I put "cricket usb broadband software 3g modem" to google and those are two first links
[07:23] <_Pete_> oops
[07:23] <surgy> the first link you gave me doesnt adress my problem, since ubuntu is acessing the modem just fine
[07:23] <_Pete_> "ubuntu cricket usb broadband software 3g modem"
[07:25] <surgy> thnx
[07:26] <psycho_oreos> I suppose you might have to try the first link when the modem is not working, i.e. no lights on the stick itself
[07:26] <nikolam> hi. just one quick thing..
[07:26] <nikolam> How do I lower default cpu/disk priority for process(es) that are doing package management/update?
[07:27] <nikolam> Every time some package is installed or update is done, I mostly can not use my machine due to all other apps are frozen for a few minutes
[07:27] <psycho_oreos> why don't you crontab those process(es) to do updates when you least need it?
[07:28] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, i suppose they are or something, but it pops up on taskbar and wait for me to install on update
[07:28] <nikolam> But problem is machine locks even when i manually start some  package installations, etc
[07:29] <nikolam> I would like to use my machine even while installing something, etc..
[07:29] <psycho_oreos> well no, afaik the update manager only grabs updates of any latest news.. and prompts you whether to install them or not.. by default it will ask you
[07:30] <nikolam> I know that psycho_oreos so problem is generally of priority of processes that are doing install of packages, over rest of the system
[07:30] <nikolam> I am not sure if disk is problem or cpu, but rest of machine is unusable (frozen) while installing
[07:31] <nikolam> Btw, I am running hardy/8.04.3 64-bit
[07:36] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, well I suppose you could always schedule apt-get/aptitude to do updates automatically during non-computer usage
[07:37] <psycho_oreos> I've just checked update-manager under cli and it seems that it is probably also possible to make it do the same but I have not tried it yet
[08:07] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, thanks, but it is not the problem When update or install is done.  Problem is High usage of resources by Install process that doesn`t seems want to share with rest of the userland programs while doing its job.
[08:07] <nikolam> Rescheduling doesn`t solve system locking when user is doing manually install AND want do do its job at the computer at the same time.
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, yeah hence that's why you schedule it to operate when you aren't using the computer no? I don't know of any other particular way unless you want to schedule nice to run every one minute
[08:08] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, I don`t think that is solution here.
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> well to change the priority set by user is using nice
[08:08] <nikolam> Problem is with default processes priority.
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> nice requires the name of the program
[08:09] <nikolam> Default.
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> and no I don't know of any way to change the default process priority, its probably something to do with either the program or the kernel source :p
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> read the source codes for both
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> might help you alot better :p
[08:10] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, thanks for your input, but i don`t think it have to do with kernel, but with system scripts that do instalaltions etc
[08:10] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, you are not helping :P
[08:10] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, and kernel doesn't schedule which programs on which priority? no?
[08:11] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, thank you for your input, but I will not continue to talk with you on this subject publicly, if you want, you can do it on pvt. 10x
[08:12] <psycho_oreos> hah whatever, go enjoy your own monologue
[08:12] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, Channel is intended for multiple users. You can also check source if you like.
[08:13] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, you're the one having the problem not me
[08:14] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, please stop.
[08:16] <psycho_oreos> hey you're the one who's carrying it on like a cry baby
[08:16] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, please go away.
[08:16] <psycho_oreos> I've given you alternatives but you want the actual solution
[10:05] <ocs> hi. how can I add a new panel to the desktop ?
[10:09] <ablomen> ocs, if you right-click on a panel and select "customize pannel" there is a big plus, if you hit that, you get a new one
[10:12] <ocs> ablomen: thanks. that was really not intuitive
[12:47] <stickpimp> hi
[12:48] <stickpimp> i'm trying to get URGENT window blinking in the taskbar working for pidgin on jaunty... i could not find a setting in pidgin... however i found the settings in the xfwm-tweaks, checked the two boxes on the bottom relating to the URGENT window hint, and did killall xfwm4
[12:49] <stickpimp> however i still don't get blinking windows
[12:49] <stickpimp> any ideas
[12:49] <stickpimp> ?
[12:49] <stickpimp> could it be pidgin?
[12:51] <stickpimp> oh, it's working for xchat
[12:51] <stickpimp> do i have to restart pidgin after changing the settings for xfwm?
[12:58] <stickpimp> i had to activate a pidgin plugin
[12:58] <stickpimp> here my self-conversation ends
[12:58] <stickpimp> thanks to myself for the help
[12:58] <stickpimp> :)
[12:59] <stickpimp> bye
[14:51] <Raggs> hey, how do u update my menus? i run update-menus and no change
[14:53] <Raggs> hi an0nmat1r
[14:53] <an0nmat1r> hi Raggs
[14:54] <Raggs> know how to reset menus?
[14:54] <an0nmat1r> :( kiddo here
[14:54] <Raggs> ok
[14:55] <Raggs> so you're here to get help or just shoot the bull?
[14:56] <an0nmat1r> for a amd sempro 1600., 2gb DDR1 400mhz , what would be best? fedora? ubuntu? xubuntu?
[14:57] <Raggs> how new to linux are you?
[14:58] <an0nmat1r> hmm..
[14:58] <an0nmat1r> totally!
[14:58] <Raggs> sweet
[14:58] <Raggs> i would start with either ubuntu or xubuntu
[14:59] <an0nmat1r> :) thanx
[14:59] <Raggs> really doesnt matter which, infact you can have both on the computer at the same time
[15:00] <an0nmat1r> i would require to run some win exe's
[15:00] <Raggs> dual boot then
[15:00] <an0nmat1r> wine!
[15:00] <Raggs> it works, i just keep a windows partition when i need it
[15:02] <ptizzy> i would recommend using virtualbox, run windows in a virtual machine.
[15:02] <Raggs> that is another good idea
[15:02] <Raggs> hi ptizzy
[15:02] <ptizzy> hi Raggs
[15:03] <Raggs> virtualbox is easy
[15:03] <an0nmat1r> so who would support a virtual box more?
[15:03] <an0nmat1r> xub, ub , fed ?
[15:03] <ptizzy> i run xubuntu in virtualbox on my winxp laptop at work.  works really well.  i have not run it on a linux host, though.
[15:04] <ptizzy> i would expect them all to support it well.  virtualbox.org has very good forums.
[15:04] <Raggs> an0nmat1r, i run virtualbox on Debian
[15:04] <an0nmat1r> how does ubuntu binaries go on xubuntu?
[15:04] <an0nmat1r> 100% ?
[15:04] <Raggs> as far as i know they do
[15:05] <an0nmat1r> i think i will go with xubuntu
[15:05] <an0nmat1r> i reason being .. i already have a copy of it
[15:06] <ablomen> an0nmat1r, its the same OS, just a few different packages
[15:06] <Raggs> lol, good plan then
[15:06] <an0nmat1r> xubuntu is supposed to be less resource hungry.. right?
[15:06] <Raggs> an0nmat1r, the only really diference is the desktops
[15:06] <an0nmat1r> hmm
[15:07] <Raggs> xfce vs gnome
[15:07] <an0nmat1r> kde and gnome.. which is better for a new bie.. with less display memory
[15:07] <an0nmat1r> ?
[15:07] <ablomen> an0nmat1r, yep, because of those changed packages (of which the desktop plays a big part)
[15:07] <ptizzy> xubuntu uses xfce desktop instead of gnome.  xfce is considered a light/mid-weight desktop.
[15:07] <an0nmat1r> oops i thought its xfce
[15:07] <Raggs> i prefer gnome an0nmat1r
[15:07] <an0nmat1r> any reason why?
[15:08] <Raggs> to kde4
[15:08] <Raggs> it seems faster
[15:08] <Raggs> i installed xubuntu on my noob brothers computer, he has had little to no problems
[15:08] <an0nmat1r> if xfce is light.. should it not be faster?
[15:09] <ptizzy> kde 4.3 has gotten good reviews.  i haven't tried it though.
[15:09] <ablomen> an0nmat1r, it is
[15:09] <Raggs> an0nmat1r, but xubuntu still has alot of gnome under the hood so to speak
[15:10] <an0nmat1r> ok!
[15:10] <ptizzy> an0nmat1r: i would install ubuntu, then install xfce.  then you can switch back and forth between gnome and xfce and see which one you prefer.
[15:11] <an0nmat1r> me too much a noob to be able to do that for the moment
[15:11] <Raggs> an0nmat1r, or the other way around, as you already have the xubuntu CD
[15:11] <Raggs> an0nmat1r, i can help you do it
[15:11] <an0nmat1r> hmm.. i have fedora too
[15:11] <an0nmat1r> and thats the issue
[15:12] <Raggs> i dont care for fedora, i think it would be harder for you
[15:12] <Raggs> and yes, i have actually run it for sometime
[15:40] <Raggs> o123hallo, hiya
[16:02] <TheSilentWarrior> hi, how can i reinstall my Xubuntu without cdrom? (my laptop only has cdrom, and i have no CDs around ><) ... maybe using an ISO? (i had ubuntu, then installed kubuntu then installed Xubuntu, and somehow it loops in the login screen)
[16:11] <ablomen> TheSilentWarrior, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick << i think you can use any *ubuntu image for that
[17:37] <youareno6> I use GSynaptics to turn off touchpad tapping, but it is not persistant between reboots. Anyone have a better way to turn off touchpad tapping?
[17:42] <th0r> youareno6: install synclient
[17:43] <th0r> youareno6: I think you have to add a line or two to xorg.conf....check the web if synclient doesn't tell you
[17:44] <youareno6> xorg.conf is empty. But I think I found a good how-to. synclient was missing from my google search ;-)
[17:45] <th0r> youareno6: it is little known but works well. synclient TouchPadOff=0 or 1 will handle the touchpad.
[17:46] <youareno6> th0r: Thanks. Looks like TouchpadOff=2 according to: http://www.martinhammer.com/blog/index.php/2009/04/disable-laptop-touchpad-tapping-in-xubuntu-904/
[17:47] <th0r> youareno6: I use 0 and 1 with jaunty...have it on the panel so it is one click away
[17:50] <youareno6> Thanks th0r
[18:44] <elharrachi> hello, salut, how can i check the bios version
[18:44] <elharrachi> and is it possible ti update it?
[18:45] <knome> elharrachi, check you motherboard manual
[18:46] <TheSheep> depends on your manufacturer, but it is usually displayed on boot
[18:46] <elharrachi> newbe !!
[18:46] <elharrachi> dont have it
[18:46] <TheSheep> actually lshw may show it too
[18:47] <elharrachi> what is lshw?
[18:47] <TheSheep> a command
[18:47] <TheSheep> that displays you information about your hardware
[18:47] <elharrachi> how do i type it?
[18:47]  * TheSheep blinks
[18:48] <TheSheep> ah
[18:48] <TheSheep> open a terminal
[18:48] <TheSheep> it's in the 'accessories' menu
[18:48] <elharrachi> yep
[18:48] <elharrachi> done
[18:49] <TheSheep> if you run it with sudo in front it shows more info
[18:51] <elharrachi> i have linux since 2 days, so ...:=)=
[19:05] <surgy> hello, i have xubuntu installed on my other desktop, and im having a problem. Ther monitor only supports 800x600 at 60hz and i think xubuntu is higher than this by default, and so after xubuntu bots the monitor says it cant read the signal and just goes black. i should be able to fix this in the fstab right? how do i access the terminal in this situation? and what is the defualt directory of fstab?
[19:07] <knome> surgy, fstab has nothing to do with displays.
[19:07] <surgy> my bad
[19:07] <surgy> i ment xorg
[19:07] <surgy> xorg.conf
[19:07] <moodog> heya :)
[19:07] <durt>  /etc/X11/
[19:07] <knome> surgy, ctrl+alt+f1 should give you a tty to log in from
[19:07] <surgy> can i change run levels somehow and then edit my xorg.conf to start x11 at a different defualt resolution?
[19:08] <surgy> and the directory to xorg.conf is?  /usr/X11/xorg.conf ?
[19:08] <durt> surgy, why not boot into recovery mode from the grub prompt?
[19:09] <knome> surgy, /etc/X11/xorg.conf - just boot after you've done your things. what durt recommended is an other option.
[19:09] <durt> er, grub menu
[19:10] <durt> you're going to find the xorg.conf file quite empty.
[19:11] <surgy> isnt there a command to enter a step by step reconfiguration of xorg?
[19:12] <elharrachi> thanks TheSheep
[19:15] <durt> surgy, that's very old, take a look at 'man xrandr'
[19:23] <surgy> yeah xorg is empty and the autofixoption in the recovery console didnt do anything
[19:27] <surgy> and im not understanding how to use xrandr
[19:48] <surgy> when i type "sudo xrandr --output default --mode 800x600" it says "cant open display"
[20:00] <surgy> ...\
[20:08] <surgy> my login resolution is too high for my monitor which only supports up to 800x600, i just instaleld it and when i switch to a ttyl login and type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf the file is empty. also when i try "sudo xrandr --output default --mode 800x600" it says "cant open display" any help would be greatly appreciated
[20:16] <Zajjko1> When connecting an external video-output (projector), upon playing video (avi, xvid) in VLC - I only get a blank screen on the external-output but video as normal on the laptop-monitor
[20:21] <arianit> Videocard resolution does not get saved on my 9.04 system when I restart. I go to NVIDIA X Server Settings and pick the resolution. I click Apply and everything works great until next restart when it resets to 800x600. If I click Save to X Configuration file, it says "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!"
[20:25] <youareno6> arianit: I don;t have a solution, but I do know there no longer exists an xorg.conf file.
[20:28] <arianit> youareno6, hmm. well that's what NVIDIA X Servers Settings has there
[20:28] <arianit> *Server
[20:28] <arianit> are you familiar with it?
[20:29] <youareno6> arianit: Sorry, no. I was just dealing with a separate issue with trackpad settings and found xorg.conf is not used anymore. The X settings appear to be created on the fly. Might want to figure out how X is not configured.
[20:29] <youareno6> s/not/sow/
[20:30] <youareno6> s/sow/now (too much coffee)
[20:30] <arianit> youareno6, are you saying that xorg.conf is recreated in every session anew?
[20:33] <youareno6> Well, the settings that are pulled from xorg.conf is created dynamically. Thus, no need for a persistant conf file. However, there has to be some way of changing things persistantly.
[20:33] <youareno6> Try # lshal | grep x11
[20:33] <youareno6> Maybe there is something there that points to the setting that is necessary. that is what I did for the trackpad
[20:37] <youareno6> arianit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380082
[20:49] <arianit> youareno6, yes that  is it. it's interesting that I have the same problem in both computers
[20:49] <arianit> testing a solution and we'll see if it works
[20:49] <arianit> thnx
[20:50] <youareno6> your welcome
[20:53] <surgy> woot fixed my problem
[20:54] <Guiri> Hey guys. Is there a way to uninstall most of the unecessary Gnome files and then sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[21:04] <Besogon> Guiri, may be "sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" will help.
[21:08] <Guiri> Besagon: found it http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[21:58] <reuben> hi all does any one know how to change the colour depth to 24bit?
[22:01] <reuben> no i cant find it either