[00:12] <nixternal> hola peeps. back in town finally
[00:12] <desaparecido> hi, i have a problem with last karmic upgrade to KDE 4.3 final release, blackscreen in KDE session,
[00:13] <desaparecido> somes ideas? i can access programs by alt+F2
[00:14] <Riddell> nixternal!
[00:14] <Riddell> desaparecido: is plasma starting?
[00:16] <desaparecido> Riddell: i have only a black screen with mouse pointer, nothing more, but with alt+F2 i have access.  Plasma? i suppose that don't starts
[00:17] <Riddell> desaparecido: start konsole  and run plasma-desktop
[00:17] <Riddell> see if that helps or moans
[00:17] <nixternal> how goes it Mr. Riddell? Did I miss much?
[00:17] <desaparecido> ok, thanks, i works from fluxbox session, I will try now.. thanks
[00:17] <nixternal> I went green the entire time I was gone. Shut off all power to the house. I am such a good person :)
[00:18] <Zorael> Is there any way to get the qtcurve gtkrc read earlier than via KDE's Autostart ("pre-KDE startup")?
[00:18] <Zorael> input method helpers (scim/xim panels) seem to start earlier and end up looking horrid
[00:19] <Riddell> Zorael: edit /usr/bin/startkde to read it
[00:21] <Zorael> Riddell: thanks.
[00:35] <Riddell> nixternal: I've not heard back about the questionnaire setup, so I think we should just do it on my server and get your applet in
[00:35] <nixternal> heh, I figured as much concerning not hearing back :)
[00:37] <desaparecido> Riddell: hi, start plasma-desktop from konsole doesn't help, the only thing is a lot of messages of closed applications
[00:38] <desaparecido> I reinstalled kdebase-workspace and kdebase-workspace-bin but is the same thing
[00:38] <Riddell> desaparecido: rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ?
[00:38] <Riddell> does it crash or just exit?
[00:40] <desaparecido> only crash, i am in KDE session even after plasma-desktop command  (with blackscreen), i try rm now
[00:46] <desaparecido> Riddell: after rm command the only difference is that after plasma-desktop command there's no more errors, but even blackscreen. I have the notifications (quassel notification for example) or grid-desktop effect but only that, without interaction with desktop
[01:01] <gon> hey dudes... congratulations :B, 4.3  is awesome :D
[01:03] <desaparecido> Riddell: after rm command the only difference is that after plasma-desktop command there's no more errors, but even blackscreen. I have the notifications (quassel notification for example) or grid-desktop effect but only that, without interaction with desktop
[01:04] <desaparecido> sorry, i was lost my internet connection, so re-post the msg
[01:09] <Riddell> desaparecido: you need to get a backtrace
[01:09] <Riddell> install kdebase-workspace-dbg
[01:09] <Riddell> gdb plasma-desktop
[01:09] <Riddell> set args --nofork
[01:09] <Riddell> run
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[01:10] <Riddell> bt
[01:10] <Riddell> file a bug with it and ping me
[01:10] <Riddell> I'm off to bed now
[01:10] <Riddell> but yay, CD image built, davmor2 will be happy
[01:11] <desaparecido> Riddell: thanks, i have work to make works my desktop :)
[01:36] <desaparecido_> Riddell:  good news,
[01:39] <desaparecido_> Riddell:  I was tested to remove ~/.kde/share/apps/config/kdeglobals and restart KDE session and all it's ok, only i losted  my desktop configuration but i have again my KDE 4.3 desktop working
[09:01] <Riddell> davmor2: guess hat?
[09:01] <Riddell> davmor2: guess what?
[09:01] <davmor2> I was about to say is it a big pointy wizards hat
[09:02] <davmor2> you've never fixed it
[09:02]  * davmor2 races off to cdimages to check in utter disbelief
[09:03] <davmor2> Riddell: 64bit is still down but that's another issue all together
[09:05] <davmor2> Riddell: Congratulations though :)
[09:05] <Riddell> well let's wait until someone tries it first :)
[09:06] <Riddell> it's only 650MB, suspiciously small
[09:06]  * davmor2 re-syncs the images to test
[09:06] <davmor2> no language packs though right
[09:07] <Riddell> no I don't add langpacks until beta
[09:08] <davmor2> so there's what 49.99 meg ;)
[09:09] <Riddell> oh I'm very happy for it to be small, just suspicious that it's 20MB smaller than the previous build
[09:09] <Riddell> but pitti has been working on reducing some dependencies so it could be his doing
[09:09] <davmor2> Riddell: as soon as it finishes dl'ing I'll give it a quick once over and ping you to let you know if it works :)
[09:10] <davmor2> yes blame pitti everyone else does :)
[09:10] <seaLne> are there any plans to change the kdm login dialog? it went rather big and unsubte imho with 4.3.0
[09:10] <seaLne> not sure if that is just the default one in kde?
[09:11] <Riddell> that's the new air theme
[09:11] <Riddell> seaLne: kwwii has been talking about making a new one so send requests to him
[09:14] <seaLne> k, it just seems to me to be a step back to the old style of excessivly huge login window i really liked when it went small
[09:14] <davmor2> Riddell: burning now
[09:16] <Riddell> seaLne: worse case it's all SVGs so it should be easy to resize it
[09:20] <Riddell> I believe it's too big for netbooks as it is
[09:21] <Riddell> davmor2: things to test include network manager and the new ubiquity bling
[09:21] <Riddell> once it's installed we could do with the all new plasma-widget-indicatordisplay being tested
[09:22] <davmor2> Riddell: priorities first thing to check is that the cd boots ;)
[09:22] <Riddell> davmor2: oh aye new usplash too (looks the same just some bug fixes)
[09:24] <davmor2> Riddell: dark bit on the usplash is too dark you can't see it in throbber mode
[09:25] <Riddell> hmm fooey
[09:28] <davmor2> Riddell: no keyboard image on the installer but ping shtylman about that on u-installer
[09:29] <davmor2> however it is the new installer :)
[09:32] <davmor2> Riddell: is there anyway to suppress the devices recently plugged in: from poping up once the partitioner has done it's work?
[09:35] <davmor2> Riddell: the opendesktop widget when you click on friends or nearby the window shrinks to something unusable
[09:35] <davmor2> it resizes again once you select personal again
[09:36] <davmor2> I'll check though and see if the behaviour is the same on the installed system
[09:45] <Riddell> davmor2: it probably is, it seems to like resizing itself to 0x0 pixels
[09:47] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm assuming this is an upstream thing is there a bug for it?
[09:53] <davmor2> Riddell: icon seem blurry on the new login screen
[09:54] <davmor2> I think it might just be down to the translucency and the image in the background
[09:55] <Riddell> davmor2: it's also to do with our default setup so I need to fix that first because we blame upstream
[09:56] <davmor2> Riddell: hence my assumption :)
[09:58] <davmor2> Riddell: also the resize icon goes off the screen so you can't actually resize it once there is an issue without first moving it :(
[10:00] <davmor2> Riddell: I know I log all these thing as bug and subscribe you :P
[10:00] <Riddell> davmor2: that's fine actually, they're on my todo anyway
[10:04] <davmor2> Riddell: weird I just went to resize the opendesktop app and the tiny little square at the top left hand corner suddenly grew
[10:06] <Riddell> davmor2: so besides that, how's the installer and network maanger?
[10:09] <davmor2> Riddell: networkmanager seems fine on my ethernet ported pc (/me contemplates buying wifi cards for all his test boxes) I'll have a look at live on my lappy after.   Generally everything seems fine.  installer works but I found some minor niggles but I'll talk to shtylman about those. just tatting about with everything now
[10:56] <Riddell> "usr (usrlp) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Bugs (kubuntu-bugs) team"  fooey
[11:00] <ghostcube> hello folks
[11:00] <neversfelde> there will be a new choqok version soon
[11:04] <ghostcube> any news about the german translation for the ppa repos ? :)
[11:04] <Riddell> nobody is packaging traslations currently
[11:04] <Riddell> a|wen was talking about doing it
[11:08] <ghostcube> yeah thats what i know till now i apachelogger told something about its doable ...
[11:09] <ghostcube> -i
[11:09] <Riddell> anyone know why we havn't done a MIR for gpsd?
[11:14] <tester_> Riddell: Quassel seems okay :)
[11:17] <davmor2> guys is it me or is there a lot of clicking around amarok, as in sound click rather than mouse
[11:22] <davmor2> can bluetooth still not connect to phones?  only options available under bluetooth device wizard seems to be input and audio
[11:23] <davmor2> k3b's startup window is too small you can't see the welcome to k3b projects window
[11:28] <davmor2> can you not burn iso's from a remote location ie sftp://local.server/*.iso
[11:36] <davmor2> Riddell: k3b crashed when I selected it as an option to open an iso from my server
[11:37] <Riddell> humbug
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: re translations: doing kde-l10n just involves some minor changes to the batfoo, then you can run batl10n and batl10n-upload
[11:38] <apachelogger> but that will not help at all since the lang-packs from stock hardy do not depend kde-l10n
[11:38] <davmor2> Riddell: does k3b support iso handling via sftp:// though?
[11:38] <apachelogger> also the language selector doens't recommend their installation, so in the end we are boned again
[11:38] <apachelogger> as always with translations
[11:38] <davmor2> I still don't think it should of crashed so I'm still reporting it :)
[11:40] <ghostcube> so no german till karmic release i think so eh ?
[11:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that it helps now but that's changing in karmic
[11:41] <ghostcube> any idea how to check why systemsettings inst taking care of the start compiz as default wm settings
[11:42] <ghostcube> stoped working in 4.3.0
[11:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: uh, that is good :)
[11:43] <ghostcube> T - 3 Month
[11:43] <ghostcube> oO
[11:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: for hardy we have the options of either uploading a new language-selector that recommends installation of kde-l10n, or we upload lang-packs
[11:44] <apachelogger> both not particularly good cases, unless, of course, we get language-selector into hardy-backports, so no matter what in the hardy-backports deployment the user would get asked to install kde-l10n-* for completele lang support
[11:44] <ghostcube> why hardy
[11:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: jaunty?  We can just install kde-l10n-xx and note on kubuntu.org people can install them
[11:46] <apachelogger> eh, right, jaunty :D
[11:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is not user friendly at all, especially once 4.3 moves to jaunty-backports
[11:47] <ghostcube> the kcontreol look is still fascinating :)
[11:48]  * ghostcube thinks this must be the default option :P
[11:48] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportGpsd
[11:49] <davmor2> meh arora crashed halve way through reporting the k3b bug :(
[11:53] <jussi01> flash is still balls on linux... :(
[11:54] <davmor2> Riddell: folder view and ublog have disappeared from the desktop after reboot
[11:55] <Riddell> spooky
[11:55] <ghostcube> hmm my panel disapeard last night as i add3ed a widget
[11:55] <ghostcube> and never get back till new liogin
[11:55] <ghostcube> :D
[11:55] <Riddell> plasma-widget-indicatordisplay could also do with a test
[11:56] <ghostcube> hmmm where to report the systemsetting bug ? in kde bugtracker or kubuntu ?
[11:56] <ghostcube> oO
[11:56] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll do a fresh install and try again :)
[12:05] <Riddell> davmor2: maybe you have a pre-existing plasma settings file on that machine?
[12:35] <Riddell> _Sime: new kdebindings now in kubuntu backports PPA
[12:38] <davmor2> Riddell: doubtful it was a fresh install whole drive
[12:38] <Riddell> hmm
[12:40] <davmor2> Riddell: Like I say I'll do a fresh install and see if it happens again and also what happens after a second reboot in case it comes back :)
[12:51] <morecowbell> is kubuntu-netbook supposed to be optimized for a netbook?
[12:51] <jjesse> morecowbell: yes, #kubuntu-netbook is the channel for help on it
[12:52] <morecowbell> thanks
[13:30] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: Hi. I am handling konq-plugins in Debian. I think we could collaborate more. e.g. you did not take into account my debian/rules modification to correctly include the icons.. I do track (along with the other pkg-kde team members) those modifications in the pkg-kde svn <http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/konq-plugins/> (which you can track with the RSS <http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/konq-plugins/
[13:30] <OdyX> ?op=rss&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=1>
[13:31] <OdyX> RSS <http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/konq-plugins/?op=rss&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=1>
[13:32] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: I have no upload rights, thus uploads take slightly more time, but I do still think that keeping versions in the 1ubuntu1 scheme is good
[13:32] <OdyX> (this allows you to base your work on what we do and avoids keeping two parallel branches)
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> I do have a more recent merge for 4.3.0, but it seems to not have been uploaded to karmic yet :(
[13:34] <jussi01> Does anyone feel like contributing to quassel? there are several small features that I know sput and egs have said they want to include but havent got time right now, and patches are welcome. so if anyone has time, pop into #quassel ask for Sput or EgS and see what needs doing :D
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> unless it has been uploaded and has failed to build, which I'm checking now
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, no. It was uploaded with the ppa tag :S
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> Ah, I merged before 4.3.0 was uploaded to debian. That's it
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I suppose I should've checked svn
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> oh well, nothing stopping me from merging again. :)
[13:36] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: true... I am just seeking cooperation, which can save us both time
[13:37]  * JontheEchidna nods
[13:37] <OdyX> where do you keep your packaging ?
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> Currently it doesn't have a vcs, but that can change
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> well, other than the Ubuntu archive acting as a vcs it doesn't have one. I'll make a bzr branch
[13:42] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: Do you have an alioth account ?
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> Nope
[13:43] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[14:03] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: as I wont move from alioth and you probably wont move from LP, I suggest that even if we work separately, we watch out what the other one does - first step to real collaboration
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> Makes sense, Kubuntu stuff at: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/konq-plugins/ubuntu
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> browsable here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/konq-plugins/ubuntu/files
[14:16] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: All your web are belong to me
[14:16] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: I have the atom feed for this, I'll follow your changes from now on
[14:17] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: for the remaining changes, see debian/patches/* and debian/konq-plugins.install
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> OdyX: btw, do you know whatever happened to that jpegorient tool? Last I checked it still seemed to be in the source, but not in the final package
[14:20] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: hmmm. I have only the manpage
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> same here
[14:22] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: see imagerotation/CMakeLists.txt... it is commented.
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> ah, should've checked there
[14:25] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: but it was already commented in 4.2.4
[14:25] <shadeslayer> is there a kopete widget in the SVN ?
[14:28] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: was visibly disabled for the whole 4.* series
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, we received a bug report about it a bit back. I looked at it quickly, but I suppose I missed the CMakeLists.txt
[14:32] <OdyX> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=906290 <-
[14:32] <OdyX> it is broken.. by such, disabled by upstream
[14:46] <Riddell> seele: did we decide on a meeting time?
[14:47] <seele> Riddell: it looks like tue or wed next week.. i can send an email out in a bit about it
[14:47] <Riddell> great
[15:29] <seele> Riddell: preference for 19:00 or 23:00?
[15:32] <Riddell> 19:00 probably
[15:39] <neversfelde> there are some *~ppa* packages from extragear 4.3.0 in the ubuntu archive, is this a known problem?
[15:42] <Riddell> oh probably my fault
[15:42] <Riddell> it's not a problem, it's just inelegant
[15:43] <neversfelde> ok, 4.4 is near, so it will be elegant soon :)
[16:16] <seele> Riddell: meeting in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-meetings?
[16:18] <Riddell> seele: #ubuntu-meeting if it's free
[16:21] <davmor2> Riddell: I don't think there is anything straight after the qa meeting, but could be wrong that's wednesday
[16:26] <seele> argh
[16:26] <seele> how do i figure out what meetings are happening in #ubuntu-meetings? I thought htat info was on fridge but i dont see the calendar anywhere
[16:30] <seele> ok.. looks like there is a qa meeting the hour before so probably #kubuntu-devel
[16:32] <davmor2> seele: Yes but after the qa meeting I don't think there is another one.
[16:34] <Nightrose> seele: can you close the poll? I am subscribed to it via google calendar and wanna check if it is clever enough to show me the decided date
[17:04] <allee> seele: typo in your e-mail: tues 12th:   Is this tue 11th or wed 12th?
[17:08] <davmor2> Riddell: yes after the first reboot once the system is installed I get no folderview and no ublog apps.  The only thing I've done is resize the opendesktop app and do the updates and media installs
[17:10] <Riddell> that's most strange
[17:10] <davmor2> So system installs you reboot and cd is ejected.  On first start up everything is in place.  Installed updates and media and resized the opendesktop app so it stays visible and then restarted ublog and folderview vanish
[17:11] <davmor2> Riddell: it wouldn't be a races issue because of kwallet would it?
[17:12] <Riddell> davmor2: what does kwallet have to do with it?
[17:13] <davmor2> opendesktop saves it's password in kwallet
[17:13] <davmor2> Riddell: it's the only other thing that changed
[17:15] <Riddell> davmor2: how did kwallet change?
[17:16] <davmor2> Riddell: kwallet wasn't in use before but once I'd used opendesktop it asked for a password for kwallet.  On reboot there was a window for kwallets password to unlock it for opendesktop to get its password
[17:17] <Riddell> davmor2: I can't even get the opendesktop applet to log in currently, it crashes plasma
[17:17] <davmor2> it's login in fine for me :)
[17:19] <davmor2> Guys is there any point having the lyrics plugin if it can't display them?
[17:21] <Riddell> worked for me last I tried
[17:22] <neversfelde> It stopped working because of legal problems, but I read about a patch
[17:24] <davmor2> Riddell: I get Unfortunately due to liciensing restrictions from some yadda yadda yadda
[17:26] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[17:26] <Riddell> smelly old music industry
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> Testers wanted for KNM in karmic: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> (plasma-widget-networkmanagement)
[17:45] <apachelogger> <= needs minion
[17:45] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ping
[17:45] <neversfelde> apachelogger: here
[17:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde: got time to request backport of kontrolpack?
[17:46] <apachelogger> package builds, installs and works, so I'd need a documented ACK :)
[17:47] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am going to visit my parents the next two weeks, but I have probably time this evening.
[17:47] <apachelogger> just file a BR and poke ScottK
[17:47] <neversfelde> apachelogger: k
[17:47] <apachelogger> I am working on neon right now and don't want to digg into slowish launchpad :P
[17:48] <neversfelde> hehe, first I will test this plasma-widget-networkmanagmen
[17:49] <Riddell> hmm, new kopete-facebook doesn't seem to work
[17:49] <davmor2> Riddell: facebook has been dropping all day so that might be your issue
[17:50] <Riddell> ok, I'll try again tomorrow
[17:51] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I cannot find kontrolpack in karmic?
[17:52] <allee> JontheEchidna: as network setup is completely borked for my testing a new verison is a must do :)
[17:52] <apachelogger> neversfelde: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kontrolpack
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> allee: it's supposed to fix the big karmic-wireless-don't-work regressoin
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> bug 392593
[17:53] <allee> JontheEchidna: cool, enables me to now care about wire+dhcp not working ;)
[17:53] <allee> s/now/not/
[17:54] <davmor2> Riddell: try to keep connecting
[17:55] <davmor2> it took me 3 attepmts but it's up and running now
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> Could I get a sponsor for bug 409406?
[18:01] <Nightrose> Riddell: yea facebook is probably being a victim of the same attac that twitter is fighting with
[18:01] <Riddell> facebook works fine with the old plugin so I think it's the new version that's not working
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you have the new qjson? The required version got bumped
[18:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> hmm, then I'm stumped
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do you know who was supposed to do the armel magics for Qt?
[18:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm uploading kde4libs with the netbook plasma patch now
[18:06]  * Riddell rushes to get JontheEchidna's konversation upload before the bus leaves for the guiness factory
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> <3 Riddell
[18:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done, you'll need to commit the changelog change yourself
[18:07]  * Riddell out
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> kk
[18:08] <nixternal> nice, guiness factory..I am jealous Riddell...have one for me please :_)
[18:08] <nixternal> err, :)
[18:16] <apachelogger> uh?
[18:16] <apachelogger> Riddell in dublin?
[18:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: clearly not me :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: probably NCommander?
[18:16] <neversfelde> apachelogger: bug 409966
[18:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[18:17] <apachelogger> neversfelde: thx
[18:17] <neversfelde> ScottK: If you hvae time, would you have a look at it?
[18:32] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: wireless is completely not working with the plasma-widget-networkmanagment snapshot, I can't even connect to unprotected networks
[19:13] <Nightrose> is strigi supposed to work in 4.3 on jaunty?
[19:14] <neversfelde> Nightrose: it works for me, but I had to link libjvm.so  to /usr/lib/
[19:14] <neversfelde> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.14/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[19:14] <neversfelde> or something like that
[19:14] <Nightrose> thx
[19:16] <Nightrose> hmmm still fails to initialise
[19:26] <maco> whois jzb
[19:26] <maco> oops
[19:26] <maco> missed the slash :P
[19:27] <nixternal> lol
[19:27] <nixternal> I do that all of the time, it sucks :)
[19:27] <nixternal> this time though, jzb wasn't in the channel :)
[19:35] <neversfelde> Nightrose: mhh, that worked for several Jaunty users: http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Tipps_und_Tricks/Strigi_aktivieren
[19:35] <lubyou> Nightrose https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/+bug/309626/comments/19 is another approach
[19:35] <lubyou> worked for me
[19:36] <ryanakca> rgreening: Any luck?
[19:36] <Nightrose> neversfelde: i'll have another look - thx
[19:36] <Nightrose> lubyou: thx :) will check
[19:36] <rgreening> ryanakca: I had logged off before I got a response from you. DO you have the package posted up anywhere for me to look at?
[19:37] <rgreening> :)
[19:38] <ryanakca> rgreening: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/plasma-widget-facebook_1.0-1.dsc
[19:42] <rgreening> ryanakca: looking
[19:43] <Nightrose> lubyou: \o/ that did the trick!
[19:43] <Nightrose> thx a bunch
[19:43] <lubyou> you are welcome
[19:45] <maco> nixternal: i wouldnt expect him to be.i was trying to figure out if what zonker's nick is
[19:48] <rgreening> ryanakca: in metadata desktop file.. should this line change "ServiceTypes=Plasma/Applet" to "X-KDE-ServiceTypes=Plasma/Applet"
[19:54] <rgreening> ryanakca: also, this blog post by aseigo may help: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/python-javascript-or-web.html
[20:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[20:11] <ryanakca> rgreening: Thanks
[20:12] <ryanakca> rgreening: As for the changing, I'm not sure
[20:44] <apachelogger> I like how the openoffice icons blend in with oxygen
[20:44] <apachelogger> why can't ubuntu just leave upstream standards just for once
[20:51] <yuriy> apachelogger: they ARE oxygen :)
[20:51] <yuriy> which standards?
[20:56] <apachelogger> s/standards/defaults
[20:56] <apachelogger> yuriy: they are not even tango IMHO
[20:57] <apachelogger> but upstream got to those weird colorish thingies at look kinda sunish
[21:22] <yuriy> apachelogger: ?? in kubuntu karmic? with kde integration?
[21:25] <apachelogger> hum
[21:25] <apachelogger> hum hum hum
[21:25] <apachelogger> where is the kdm theme coming from?
[21:25] <apachelogger> yuriy: I mean in the app menu
[21:26] <apachelogger> great, now the social desktop thingy starts bitching again
[21:26] <apachelogger> everytime I log into a karmic setup i get all grumpy
[21:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you package a new network manager today?
[21:30]  * Monika|K gives apachelogger a cookie to cheer him up
[21:31] <yuriy> apachelogger: oh I thought you meant in the application. ok. *goes on his merry way*
[21:31] <apachelogger> thanks for caring :P
[21:40] <yuriy> apachelogger: well, what would need to be done to change those icons?
[21:40] <apachelogger> override them
[21:40] <yuriy> where?
[21:40] <apachelogger> just change ooo to use upstream
[21:40] <apachelogger> if someone gets in our way I will start bitching
[21:41] <yuriy> I think the tango icons (or whatever is in the menu on jaunty) look nice there actually
[21:42] <apachelogger> eh?
[21:42] <apachelogger> go to graphics
[21:42] <apachelogger> clashes with oxygen big time
[21:43] <apachelogger> anyway, the splash is a much more urgent matter
[21:43] <apachelogger> yuriy: the openoffice package should implement update-alternatives for the splash screen
[21:43] <yuriy> because it says ubuntu on it?
[21:43] <apachelogger> so we can alternate using kubuntu-defautl-settings
[21:44] <apachelogger> yuriy: because it is brown and because it says ubuntu
[21:45] <apachelogger> yuriy: bug 377220
[21:47] <yuriy> shtylman: ^ maybe you know how to make OO.o use different splash screens when in KDE?
[21:49] <apachelogger> splashfile=splash_kde.bmp if $KDE_FULL_SESSION
[21:49] <apachelogger> that however would only be improving the change, since still then you might want to have different splashes for branding reason
[21:50] <apachelogger> like someone derivates kubuntu and chooses to use green as default color or something
[21:50] <apachelogger> so still the actual file needs an alternation in place
[23:13] <neversfelde> bug 404839 needs a sponsor
[23:19] <shtylman> yuriy: don't know off the top of my head whether that is in a global package or in a separate art package...
[23:19] <shtylman> if it is in a separate art package...souldn't be too hard
[23:19] <shtylman> if it is deeper in the system files...in a main package..I wouldn't mess with it..
[23:19] <Riddell> it's in the global package and whenever I've asked calc he's said it's not possible without code changes
[23:20] <shtylman> figured
[23:20] <shtylman> maybe for another time...we have more pressing things I can enjoy this cycle :)
[23:21] <shtylman> seele: did you ever decide on a particular layout you liked for the printer icons? one column two? whole thing?
[23:25] <Riddell> shtylman: I go with 1
[23:25] <shtylman> 1 column?
[23:26] <Riddell> yes, as seele says it matches the other system settings layouts
[23:26] <shtylman> and then under that column...would you separate the sections?
[23:26] <shtylman> like settings, local printers, network printers...?
[23:26] <shtylman> or just do settings and printers/
[23:26] <shtylman> ?
[23:26] <Riddell> the three seems sensible
[23:26] <shtylman> k
[23:56] <Quintasan> hmm I think I will pull kernel from karmic