[00:00] aboSamoor: it's intentional, actually. [00:01] dtchen, sorry, DCed [actually gdm crashed after PA upgrade]. you mean notify-osd ? [00:01] aboSamoor: namely, $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION is not set [00:02] oh yeah, the "model=mobile" adi1984 changed things... but actually didn't entirely fix the mute behavior. [00:02] dtchen, but the use case is that a user just installed kubuntu-desktop won't expect that his gnome desktop will get affected ! [00:02] DanaG, if there are no hardware controls with the gnome volume control applet, then you'll have to use another app that does have hardware controls [00:03] yeah, I already know that... but it's a use-case suggestion. Perhaps add an input-source thing for each card? [00:03] aboSamoor: kubuntu-desktop gets the new xdg notification work [00:05] DanaG: there's a lot of flux in the quirks. that's the nature of evolving quirks. or broken bioses. or broken codecs. or some madness therein. [00:05] it'd have to be a window back to whatever ALSA already sees. [00:05] Oh yeah, did I tell you about the funkyness of my USB CM106-based sound card? [00:05] dtchen, i understand perfectly. [00:05] It has "Speaker" and "Speaker 1", and only the latter seems to do anything. [00:06] And it claims to go from 0% (0.0dB) to 100% (0.0dB). =þ [00:06] welcome to the usb audio specifications and the variety in sneaking in one's quirks [00:08] dtchen, I am not aware of the technical details, my arguments that if it is hard to detect that the login manager will affect the target session. For many users this mean that installing Kubuntu will mess their installations. By the way, I could not find the login manager in the preferences anymore, which means that the user has to edit a text file to change the default login manager. [00:08] does usb audio work well on any other platform? [00:08] At least it works better in Linux than it does with stock Windows drivers... the stock usb-audio driver in Windows shows 7.1 channel audio but is silent; the OEM driver gives stereo, 4, 5.1, or 7.1-channnel; the Linux in-the-box driver gives works, though 7.1-only. [00:11] i guess that answers my question [00:11] Sound card itself is Audio Advantage SRM, though it used to be called "Roadie". [00:11] it works well on mac if you're using one of their devices [00:11] Same device, different color. [00:12] http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/audio-advantage-srm/home.aspx [00:14] My onboard sound card has its own quirks -- the mute thing, most notably. [00:15] dtchen, the mic I have on my friend's laptop is working only PA is removed. do you think I should test if the mic is working in my laptop with PA removed to see if it is supported in the new kernel. All the testing I did was with PA installed. [00:18] Oh yeah, I have a pair of white desk-mics that have never worked for me, on any computer I've ever had. Must just be crappily designed. [00:33] aboSamoor: sure, but pa in karmic now is hardly the breaking point [00:33] aboSamoor: also, you've always been able to dpkg-reconfigure gdm|kdm [00:33] dtchen, I tried reconfigure, but it did not work with me [00:34] and sure enough, tonight's pulseaudio update really broke things :S [00:34] Q-FUNK: where "really" is...? [00:35] aboSamoor: where is the breakage? [00:35] dtchen: volumes all get reset to zero and/or muted upon reload [00:35] i.e. volume restore broke [00:35] dtchen, it runs without giving any message and nothing is changed in default file in /etc/X11 [00:36] Q-FUNK: i can't reproduce that locally. what does running it manually with -vv show WRT restoring? [00:38] dtchen, have you had anyone complain about destructively loud volume? ie rapid volume increase? [00:38] re [00:38] dtchen: as I was saying, volume restore broke [00:39] hmmm [00:39] anyone knows how to fix IPOD permission error? from rhythmbox? [00:40] the auto mount creates the mount as root [00:40] unless, of course, I missed some new config feature that I should have enabled for that to work? [00:41] nvm [00:41] seems that first mount created it as root and once I removed it and inserted it again it worked just fine [00:42] dtchen, removing PA from karmic is not easy like jaunty, my system went crazy gnome-settings-manager --> 100% CPU, and XORG --> 50%, just installing PA again everything returned sane [00:43] aboSamoor: removing it is not the preferred test pattern; you'll probably want to edit default.pa and use device=dmix (for module-alsa-sink) and device=dsnoop (for module-alsa-source) [00:43] Q-FUNK: are you using pavucontrol? [00:44] dtchen: no, why? [00:44] Q-FUNK: see if that makes any difference [00:44] this is a sound server, using system.pa mode [00:44] aha. [00:45] billybigrigger: a lot of people complain about the initial volume on boot prior to login [00:46] billybigrigger: there's not terribly much that can be done globally. not even the per-card udev bits can address that. [00:46] dtchen: initial volume restore used to work fine until this udev module, though [00:47] Q-FUNK: interesting. is pulseaudio-module-hal still installed, and if so, does purging it resolve the issue? [00:48] dtchen: it's definitely not there anymore [00:51] * aboSamoor wondering why nautilus is not as stable as dolphin, it is older by years ! [00:51] Q-FUNK: if you have the time, please verify whether a per-user instance also exhibits the symptom [00:51] I installed kde4 now I'm stuck with the oxygen mouse icon. I tried to change it in appearance but it won't change to any other mouse icon set... [00:52] sorry mouse theme not icon [00:53] joebob777as7, what is the login manager you use to login to gnome ? [00:53] aboSamoor, I kept it gdm [00:54] joebob777as7, I did the following I restored gdm as the default and changed the icon theme from the appearance preferences [00:55] how do I restore gdm if I never changed it? [00:55] joebob777as7, what is the output of cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager [00:56] aboSamoor, /usr/sbin/gdm [00:57] joebob777as7, what is the chosen cursor theme ? is it DMZ white ? [01:00] aboSamoor, default [01:00] dtchen: is there a way to make PA never touch the physical volume of the hardware, after I've set every control to an optimal level? [01:01] aboSamoor, I just changed to dmz white and no change. [01:01] joebob777as7, you have to restart the session I think [01:01] ok [01:02] what did dontzap package become? [01:04] joebob777as7, I think logging out is the same as restarting X [01:26] aboSamoor, not always [01:29] hggdh, what is not always ? [01:30] that X restart on logout [01:33] at least on some few version ago, this was not the default. I am looking for it now [01:43] could karmic really break my system? [01:43] yes [01:44] like hardware damage? [01:44] no [01:44] but broken OS [01:44] if i have my homefolder .configs on a seperate partition, is it going to mess up my config files? [01:45] like is that just a liability disclaimer or is it really that unstable? [01:45] just better keep away from it [01:45] until karmic is released in october [01:46] but my current ubuntu is falling apart and im about to reformat anyway [01:46] i expect to reformat again in october [01:47] trying an alpha doesnt seem that risky, i was just about to instal karmic alpha tonight until i randomly saw this channels motd [01:53] yes ive decided im doing it [01:53] odd... and restarting PA... now it offers surround. [01:53] just for the sperience [01:55] bloody hotel connection only lasts for 24 hours :-( [02:04] anyone in here actually using karmic alpha? === TwoToneSpirit is now known as jMyles [02:16] xim_, theoretically, at least, everybody on this channel is using karmic. I have been on it pretty much since the start [02:17] its strange then because it seems like this is the channel for scaring people away from it ;p [02:17] have you had any disasters? [02:18] I am. nvidia driver broke once, and gdm broke another time. Other than that it's been pretty smooth going. [02:19] i see, so its rocky but doable [02:19] how bad were those to recover from? [02:19] er, well the nvidia driver might have been my fault, not sure... just re-installed it [02:19] gdm dropped to console for a while 'till the new packages got uploaded... [02:20] actually, no, dropped to console and hacked about a bit :) [02:21] anybody see progress with Bug #405943 ? [02:21] Launchpad bug 405943 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[regression] rapid pointer movements with touchpad ignored" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405943 [02:22] lol im used to dealing with constant problems anyway [02:22] as long as its not gonna bullet my hard drives and currupt all my data without warning lol [02:23] which is what the motd made me think [02:23] I start right out with alphas [02:23] i havent upgraded my system since hardy [02:24] but i wanna play with the new alpha for a month or so before reformating in oct [02:25] I'm mostly testing it so that if something breaks NFS root I can yell at people to unbreak it :) [02:25] 'cos my desktop is [almost] diskless (CompactFlash for /boot) [02:25] cool [02:26] im amd 64 [02:26] main issue i was thinking of [02:51] xim_, I *have* had bad moments with it, ranging from not being able to use the network to fubar-ing X [02:51] nothing I could not recover from, but YMMV [02:52] (and I have *not* moved to ext4 yet) [02:52] i see [02:52] ill probably jump onto ext4 [02:53] i love it [02:53] im prepared to walk a minefeild tho [02:53] is there any hacks to make vista able to read ext3 or ext4? [02:53] yes [02:53] I don't remember the name of the program but there is. [02:53] heh. The whole point of warning prospective karmic users is that you *must* be prepared to have problems [02:53] i think im gonna do a dualboot [02:54] Its free as in beer [02:54] as in beer? [02:54] How do I suspend from command without sudo? [02:54] xim_, if you have the disk space, this is a sane option [02:54] I don't know why I said that. [02:55] i thought you meant like, its free now but you might have to put out later [02:55] akio, at least on the hotel I am staying, beer is free for me [03:20] oh yeah, ext2fsd does not do ext4. [03:21] oh yeah, why does Grub show a low-res "welcome to grub" before initializing gfxterm? [03:26] How do I suspend from command without sudo? [03:31] The old dbus key I used to use to suspend ubuntu in my sleep timer script doesn't work anymore. How can I suspend my computer from commandline without using sudo? [03:32] hmm, did the old one use HAL? sounds like you'd have to switch it to use udev. [03:32] er [03:32] devicekit-power. [03:33] hey DanaG hows the mouse pad problems going? [03:33] I'm just sticking with fake-two-finger scroll. [03:33] decided to give up on it for now? [03:34] How do I get devkit-power to suspend? [03:34] yeah, the auto-adjust is too persistent. [03:34] I'm curious of that myself. perhaps google for dbus devicekit suspend? [03:35] im curious, why are they trying to get rid of hal? [03:35] DanaG, I still have my bug. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [04:17] ooooooh, now PulseAudio moves streams back to where I last put them, after an unplug and replug! [04:27] does anybody know how to enable madwifi drivers on a 9.10 alpha install? is there a madwifi dkms package availabe somehwere? [04:30] why would you want to? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [04:31] Sarvatt, it is what I was using for wireless on my macbook before with 9.04 and now I don't have any wireless support [04:31] i dont think there is, but there is not much point to using madwifi anymore over ath5k [04:32] ah most likely you upgraded and the new package doesnt exist but it kept the blacklist for the kernel wifi modules around, really really really common problem [04:32] ath5k didn't work very well with the card on my specific model unless there is a newer version that might work [04:32] I'm not sure how to go about getting the wireless up and going again in the easiest way [04:33] grep -R "ath5k" /etc/modprobe.d/ [04:33] see it blacklisted in there anywhere? [04:33] yea [04:33] yeah want to remove the blacklists in there then, they really need a transitional package for madwifi === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [04:35] madwifi and the kernel drivers merged not long after the jaunty kernel [04:36] Sarvatt, awesome thank you [04:36] (which was like 8 months ago) [04:36] ola all [04:37] DanaG: how goes it tonight? [04:37] * DanaG is mucking around with his router. [04:37] Switched back from "tomato" to dd-wrt, to get the vlan feature. [04:37] Bummer dd-wrt insists on disconnecting every time you "apply changes". [04:39] never used dd-wrt [04:39] whats tomato? [04:39] More stable, and nicer UI, but fewer features. [04:39] hmm [04:39] compared to dd-wrt, that is. [04:40] stock linksys firmware works for this guy :P [04:40] I didn't use the stock Buffalo firmware. :=þ [04:41] n0ow that's a funny-lookin' smiley. [04:41] haha [04:41] Looks kind of like a pig sticking out its tongue. [04:44] root§dd-wrt:ß# [04:44] odd. [04:47] interesting... nm-network-editor doesn't offer ipv6 settings. [04:47] its linux, just set up the vlan yourself and stick with tomato :D [04:48] (busybox vconfig) [04:49] theres probably a tomato mod with a web interface to do it by now [04:50] http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60800&highlight=vlan [04:50] there we go [05:04] goddamn dd-wrt... just lost all my settings! [05:04] AND I wasn't even DONE setting it up yet! [05:29] Is there I way I can fix tty consoles in the current release? [05:29] or is anyone else seeing anything like that? (Blinking cursors instead of logon prompts) [05:45] so I did apt-get upgrade, a bunch of stuff got upgrded including linux-image. I thought it was upgraded to 2.6.31-5 (see: http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5076/synaptic.png) but grub only shows 2.6.31-4 and older. 2.6.31-4 fails so I have to boot with 2.6.31-3. Am I missing something? [05:45] this is the kernel panic error I get when I boot 2.6.31-4: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9691/img5404e.jpg [06:27] is there any other text editor for gnome besides gedit? [06:31] bjsnider, yes, there are many! vim is another one. [06:32] andresmh, did you get my reply to your post on the forums? [06:33] i didn't mean vim and nano [06:33] billybigrigger, is this your response: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7741406&postcount=2 [06:34] yeah [06:34] yeah, I did what you said. See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7741344#post7741344 [06:34] I haven't rebooted since then though. Should I expect the new kernel to show up in GRUB? [06:35] Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-5-generic [06:35] Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-5-generic [06:35] yeah, it will be there when you boot [06:35] excellent! thanks a lot billybigrigger [06:36] np [06:49] http://www.hadess.net/2009/07/bad-at-updates-easy-51.html [06:49] hmm, I don't see a "port" selector. [06:49] I have a device selector, but no "port" selector. [06:50] http://0pointer.de/public/g-v-c-ports [06:50] I don't have that. [07:05] can anyone vouch for all the sound updates that have appeared over the last 2 days? My youtube has no sound but games do [07:05] as in, should I install them? [07:07] richardcavell: works fine for me [07:07] as always YMMV ;) [07:08] kklimonda: yeah that's what I'm afraid of [07:09] kklimonda: youtube and applications produce no sound. But my video games do. Go figure. [07:09] video games use alsa directly? [07:10] oh yeah, handy hint: use pavucontrol -- it lets you specify which device to put each audio app on. [07:10] DanaG: what do you mean "port" SELECTOR? [07:10] I mean, "mic or line". [07:10] that sort. [07:11] sorry, darn caps [07:11] * DanaG wishes pidgin could do at least italics in IRC. [07:11] I mean, I can understand not doing colors, because they're annoying... but mere italics would be hard to overly abuse. [07:13] kklimonda: no I'm using them on wine [07:13] Counter-Strike on wine produces sound. Youtube doesn't. [07:14] keyboard on this thing sucks :D hmm, screwing with things in pavucontrol completely changes the options i get in g-v-c, but there isnt anything but the stereo mic to pick for input at the most [07:14] maybe if i actually plug in a mic.. [07:16] I see my sound CARD.... but nothing about a port. [07:16] I see "input analog stereo" on both the internal card and the external card. [07:16] But that's not a port. [07:17] My internal one has an onboard array mic AND an offboard stereo mic jack. [07:17] have you tried plugging in a mic? [07:17] pretty sure i read all this had jack detection so it wouldnt expose it until it was plugged in [07:17] 0h yeah, I forgot.. I tweaked my laptop to set model=mobile, to get mute working right. [07:17] So there's no selector at all there, oddly enough. [07:18] The card itself supports two independent capture streams at the same time, but PA doesn't use that ability. [07:19] yeah i wasnt crazy, 2.6.31 added jack detection, if i could just find a mic to plug in there to see if it pops up [07:19] You can always try a random pair of headphones. [07:19] won't work well, but should trigger detection. [07:20] well, at least it has a sane default for internal: jack overrides built-in. [07:21] I have to leave internal card as default mixer, or else my onboard card's mute button mutes the wrong card! [07:22] dang, and now the hardware and software mute states have gotten wedged opposite each other. [07:27] http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f40f302ae919f4ec3dcb056eac725e7e51313dde [07:27] there's my alsa-info. [07:28] oh yeah, is it better to enable msi, or is default better? [07:30] actually [07:30] pulseaudio-0.9.16-test4.tar.gz [07:31] 05-Aug-2009 04:06 1.8M [07:31] g-v-c-ports.png 05-Aug-2009 01:50 35K [07:31] new pulseaudio rtkit and that picture all posted yesterday, probably related [07:31] the UI is still backwards, though. [07:32] Ports are a property of the selected card, not vice versa. [07:32] Thus, the port selection should be below the card selection. [07:34] * DanaG goes off to bed. [07:34] grr, sleep button not working... have to use g-p-m right-click. [07:35] s/right/left/ === yacc_ is now known as yacc [07:58] has anyone noticed that sometimes , launching panel application/applets like nm-manager update manager takes time to open [07:59] gnome-power-manager === Laibsch1 is now known as Laibsch [08:43] I'm toying with KVM in the karmic release and it is requesting a "installation media url" the example provided makes me think I should go to ubuntu.com and go to the download page, download a copy of my edition however when I direct the program to do such it asks for the server to send a .treeinfo which I am going to guess is different from a .iso. Does anyone know the proper url to sick the virtual machine creator on? === lenios_ is now known as lenios [09:54] hi all. I get this error: linux-image-server depends on linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-24-server; however: Package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-24-server is not configured yet. [09:56] *sigh* ... [09:57] looks like the karmic release cycle is a bit more unstable than the last few releases ... [10:06] eMaX: looks like you are running jaunty > try #ubuntu [10:10] actually hardy on that machine but thanks [10:22] bug 202089 [10:22] Launchpad bug 202089 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio is blocking normal sound after resume" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202089 [10:23] Werid, getting ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave when trying to open moc [10:24] alsa force-reload solved it :s [11:03] ack... i have 100 instances of udevd running! is that normal? [11:04] god i hope not [11:05] gnomefreak: i just sat counting them! there are literally 100! how do i submit a report with a list of the instances? [11:06] well same way you would anything else? the problem is if they are different (what package do you use [11:06] * gnomefreak has a crap load of gdm i have 3/4 udevd running [11:07] gnomefreak: what package? meaning? [11:07] and a really really long list in ps aux [11:08] mac_v: are all the udevd instances the exact same/ [11:08] mac_v: pgrep udevd | wc -l - would of saved you some time :) [11:08] and i would say copy and paste ps aux to a file and attach it to a bug report [11:09] jpds: > 102! i guess i missed some! [11:09] 3 :) [11:09] 3 here. [11:09] still should only be 1 IMHO [11:10] gnomefreak: i file a bug against which package? [11:10] udev? [11:11] * mac_v wonders why apport didnt detect udev! [11:11] they are running under different apps apps for lack of better word [11:11] at least mine are [11:12] ah.!! silly mistake i tried with -daemon! [11:12] be back in a few [11:22] mac_v: what did you try with --daemon? [11:22] gnomefreak: instead of ubuntu-bug udev , i tried ubuntu-bug udevd ! [11:22] mac_v: ah [11:24] pgrep * | wc -l seems to be not so accurate [11:25] mac_v: can have bug number when your done [11:27] gnomefreak: Bug #409784 , [11:27] Launchpad bug 409784 in udev "102 instances of udev running !" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409784 [11:27] hehe weird title ! [11:29] gnomefreak: do i need to add the "ps aux" too? [11:30] mac_v: i would [11:30] ok. [11:30] mac_v: are they the same binarys? [11:31] they all look the same! [11:34] going to reboot and check :) [11:41] i love apport now :) it makes my life simplier [11:42] 18 attachments 1 using ubuntu-bug and 17 using apport-collect [11:43] gnomefreak: ack! on fresh reboot > 75! [11:44] lol [11:44] mac_v: to your bug try adding more info using apport-collect 409784 [11:45] just a thought [11:45] yeah , just doing that [11:46] mac_v: looks like everything is there from ubuntu-bug [11:46] at least looks liek it [11:46] like [11:46] gnomefreak: still not yet uploaded... [11:47] ubuntu-bug only attached one file on my gdm/nvidia bug so used apport-collect and it added 17 more [11:47] apport-collect is a nice way to spam lp ;p [11:48] it is but i just starting using it a few weeks ago and i lov eit know [11:48] i dont have to ask people to attach each file and hope its what im looking for [11:49] i did find out gdm has split into separate binaries == why i have 6 running. [11:51] mac_v: for you it just gave same info over [11:51] yeah... nothing extra! [11:51] maybe because i added a task it gave me 17 more [11:53] be back need to start coffe and have smoke [11:56] gnomefreak: could udev have something to do with my nautilus hogging the memory ? sometimes nautilus use 10% of memory[from conky] [12:02] hi [12:02] nautlius is constantly crashing here ... [12:02] can anyone confirm that? [12:02] nautilus crashes and gets restarted instantly, crashes ... [12:02] gnome-panel is filling up [12:02] mcmemory is listed next to each process isnt it? [12:03] soc: nope i only had 1 crash and i didnt notice it [12:03] mhh, damit [12:03] then i'll reinstall, i guess .. [12:03] soc: file a bug report using the command ubuntu-bug nautilus [12:04] soc: dont reinstall or you can file a report when apport pop-up dialog gets shown [12:04] mhhh [12:04] gnomefreak: udev memory for each is 828Kib , but sometimes nautils just starts to become sluggish, i thought it may be due to the hybrid /home[ext3 inplace converted to ext4!] [12:04] the cdimage of the amd64 version is only 670mb big ... [12:04] is there anything missing compared to the i386 cd? [12:05] mac_v: it could be but thats a long shot [12:05] the 386 is more than 670? [12:05] hehe... i just wanted to blame udev , and not my inplace upgrade! [12:09] mac_v: are there any nautilus proc. running in udev in ps aux? [12:11] i dont see it , but you can check the bug report too , i'v attached the ps aux [12:20] mac_v: i will look at it after im done with email maybe an hour [12:21] gnomefreak: no problem... thanx [12:22] looking now so i dont forget [12:22] holy crap [12:23] mac_v: the 2 you missed were 3195 and 3205 ( going from 100 to 102 [12:25] * gnomefreak wonders if you should have attaches ps aux | grep udevd instead of all of it [12:25] gnomefreak: actually i counted them after arranging them alphabetically , but i missed some while scrolling i guess [12:26] gnomefreak: i know , but the concerned devs might get the idea of what else is running , and might help them figure it out [12:26] mac_v: yeah i know i thought of that after i typed it [12:26] thats just really really odd [12:27] mac_v: are you fully up to date? [12:28] gnomefreak: yup , except for network manager , since i heard the last update caused loss of connection [12:29] mac_v: yeah that was apparmor and its fixed [12:30] oh.. some one told it was nm! well install that too :) [12:30] mac_v: yeah most of us thought so but it was fixed in apparmor ubuntu9 ubuntu8 was borked version [12:32] gnomefreak: have you noticed that gpm loads late in the notification area? or is it just for me! [12:33] just you :) [12:33] at least i dont see it [12:34] aw :( ...well... rebooting [12:34] oops forgot about coffee [12:36] I wonder why GNOME and Firefox doesn't set font dpi to what it says in xdpyinfo | grep resolution [12:37] IMHO the fonts should look the same size on screens with different DPI [12:37] X, too [12:37] they all set DPI to 96, 96 default [12:38] besides there are other advantages to using native dpi [12:38] * gnomefreak thankful i dont deal with firefox/fonts much i have other mozilla apps i work on :) [12:38] loonyphoenix: asac would be the one to talk to about that. [12:39] mac_v: and they are still problems :). be back coffee run [12:39] s/:)/? [12:40] gnomefreak: lol 84 now! [12:44] Hey, you know what else? Does anybody find the default subpixel slight hinting not ugly? Slight hinting is just so blurry, and if you throw in the subpixel rendering the fonts become a haze of multicolored ugly shapes. I personally always set hinting to medium or strong and most of the time revert to grayscale, unless the dpi of the screen is high. [12:46] mac_v: note on bug it changes every restart [12:47] ah.. right! [12:48] loonyphoenix: i love the slight hinting ... [12:49] it takes some time to adapt to it, but it's an optimal compromise between "let's display the font like on paper" (OSX) and "let's hammer the font into the pixel grid" (Windows) [12:49] the medium/strong hinting is basically the microsoft-way ... [12:55] soc: um, if slight hinting was something between monochrome and medium hinting, I'd agree with you. But as I see it, it's backwards: monochrome > strong hinting > medium hinting > slight hinting. The farther you go, the blurrier the text, the softer the edges. [12:55] and slight is just too blurry [12:55] gnomefreak: is there an apport command like ubuntu-bug? [12:56] loonyphoenix: is there even a diffenrence between medium and strong hinting? [12:56] i.e. to start a bug report? [12:56] afaik the only difference between strong and medium is a small difference in how the console fonts are rendered [12:57] yeah, the difference is very slight [12:58] btw, I like how some fonts render in monochrome [12:59] liberation fonts look best in monochrome, imo [12:59] is there a way to turn off hinting for specific fonts? [12:59] I'd like to experiment) [13:01] loonyphoenix: file a bug against fonts (maybe the one you are using) [13:03] gnomefreak: Yeah, I think I'm gonna do that. Or maybe a brainstorm idea... But I think there were several already, they just were too technical to gain any spotlight. [13:07] loonyphoenix: more likely to be seen in a bug report. or at least faster that way. [13:17] gnomefreak: There's already a bug for the DPI thing https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398 [13:17] Launchpad bug 157398 in gnome-control-center "GNOME default DPI doesn't match X default DPI" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [13:18] good makes your life easier :) [13:18] anyone else finding after hibernate the screen isn't locked? [13:18] but it's a wontfix :( [13:19] although it's a "fix realeased" too... [13:19] I need to read the comments... [13:28] hey, soc, is that you commenting on that bug? :) [13:30] i guess [13:31]