| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| shtylman | Riddell: I am looking at the printer mockups..and it seems that the only thing really todo is make an icon list instead of a tree view... is that right? or am I missing what else should be done? | 00:49 |
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| ryanakca | Hurray, Frescobaldi and Kobby are now in Debian NEW, sync time :) | 01:05 |
| ryanakca | s/NEW/{unstable,experimental}/ | 01:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: it's in kubuntu-ppa/experimental for karmic if you wish to test | 02:02 |
| JontheEchidna | yay, latest langpack update makes everything look splendid in Spanish | 02:55 |
| vorian | lies | 02:57 |
| JontheEchidna | yo quiero taco bell | 02:57 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm.... in application menus, the keyboard shortcut designations aren't translated | 02:59 |
| vorian | taco bell killed that poor dog a week or so ago | 03:00 |
| JontheEchidna | a true symbol of the 90s | 03:03 |
| JontheEchidna | ;__: | 03:04 |
| nixternal | haha, yo quiero taco bell!!!! \o/ ROFL@!)***~*#@!@# that poor dog died last week :( | 03:18 |
| vorian | yo nixternal! | 03:20 |
| maco | vorian: no you're steve. rich is nixternal | 03:21 |
| vorian | maco: why the hate from OLF? | 03:21 |
| vorian | they must really hate me or something :P | 03:21 |
| maco | vorian: nothing personal. we were told to each pick out the 5 "omg must have" beginner and 5-7 "omg must have" intermediate/advanced talks (+a few "um...no." talks) and i get the impression im not the only one who went "5? you want me to pick only 5???" | 03:22 |
| vorian | ah, well | 03:22 |
| vorian | it's ok | 03:23 |
| maco | 4 or 5 people submitted the same thing, so all but one of them were rejected | 03:23 |
| maco | i think jorge was the one accepted | 03:23 |
| vorian | 5 talks on Kubuntu! | 03:23 |
| vorian | that's awesome | 03:23 |
| maco | it was about how to build a community around your project | 03:23 |
| vorian | how silly | 03:23 |
| maco | hehe i dont mean 4 or 5 submitted same as you :P just that there were 4 or 5 people who all somehow ended up on the same wavelength | 03:24 |
| vorian | I was being a tad sarcastic | 03:24 |
| maco | oh | 03:24 |
| maco | text | 03:25 |
| vorian | :) | 03:25 |
| vorian | i may be the only person living in ohio that usues Kubuntu | 03:25 |
| vorian | I have a feeling that will change starting in October | 03:26 |
| maco | you were the only kubuntu proposal | 03:26 |
| vorian | I figured it was a long shot :) | 03:26 |
| maco | ...wait what the heck in the beginner list was more interesting than you? | 03:26 |
| vorian | it's really ok maco, i'm moving next friday | 03:27 |
| maco | well im pretty sure i voted for you | 03:27 |
| * vorian hugs maco | 03:28 | |
| vorian | are you doing a talk this year? | 03:28 |
| maco | yes i did vote for you. and yes i am. | 03:28 |
| vorian | coolio | 03:28 |
| maco | dan was waitlisted | 03:29 |
| vorian | what! | 03:29 |
| vorian | that's crazy | 03:30 |
| maco | his was on how to be a good/useful beta tester | 03:30 |
| vorian | that's a great topic | 03:31 |
| maco | and his cat just bit me | 03:31 |
| vorian | ouch | 03:31 |
| maco | she didnt bite hard. it was a warning bite | 03:32 |
| maco | "stop petting RIGHT THIS INSTANT...OR ELSE" | 03:32 |
| dtchen | it was quite a bit more specific than "how to be a good/useful beta tester" | 03:32 |
| maco | i know but i didnt want to paste 6 lines of proposal into the channel | 03:32 |
| dtchen | that's ok. it's olf's loss ;-) | 03:32 |
| maco | if youre offered the friday thing will you take it? | 03:33 |
| dtchen | fwiw, if i speak, i will be covering kubuntu use cases specifically | 03:33 |
| dtchen | (though not exclusively) | 03:33 |
| dtchen | uh, no. i'm in charge of the hackathon. | 03:33 |
| vorian | yay | 03:35 |
| maco | oh | 03:36 |
| maco | forgot that | 03:36 |
| maco | hey vorian youre still coming right? | 03:36 |
| vorian | i've noticed dtchen has yet to sign my key | 03:36 |
| maco | and nixternal? | 03:36 |
| maco | vorian: he hasnt signed MY key yet | 03:36 |
| vorian | maco: i'll be living in Idaho | 03:36 |
| nixternal | I don't sign keys, I eat them! | 03:36 |
| vorian | wow | 03:36 |
| maco | vorian: eek | 03:36 |
| nixternal | Idapimp | 03:36 |
| vorian | I da pimp | 03:37 |
| vorian | yeah, i'm pumped! | 03:37 |
| maco | ok then... hey nixternal | 03:37 |
| nixternal | no, you said "Idaho" | 03:37 |
| maco | nixternal: what dan said about hackathon... | 03:37 |
| nixternal | sounds like a bad jerry lewis dream | 03:37 |
| vorian | nixternal: mind if I use you as a referral? (new resume and all) | 03:37 |
| nixternal | go for it! | 03:37 |
| vorian | schweet, thanks | 03:37 |
| maco | we want the hackathon to not be "The AFS Hackathon" instead be "The Hackathon" and then people all in one room at a bunch of tables hacking on their respective projects. wanna put Kubuntu as one of the projects? | 03:37 |
| nixternal | I will tell them all about what you do to sheep! | 03:37 |
| vorian | :o | 03:38 |
| dtchen | nixternal: what you don't know is that you're starring! | 03:38 |
| nixternal | not at OLF, I probably won't be going, 99.9% sure I won't be going | 03:38 |
| maco | doh | 03:38 |
| maco | 'm i gonna be the only kubuntu user? | 03:39 |
| nixternal | maybe I should say 95% sure | 03:39 |
| dtchen | uh,, no? | 03:39 |
| maco | dtchen: oh duh. youll be there :P | 03:39 |
| vorian | just wait until OLF 2010, most people will be using Kubuntu | 03:40 |
| vorian | or More than 3 | 03:40 |
| dtchen | well, once Kubuntu Netbook is released, i think there will be considerably expanded recognition | 03:41 |
| vorian | yes - and once 10.04 comes out - people will be flocking to a non-gnome alternative :) | 03:42 |
| dtchen | JontheEchidna: so, have you considered daily builds of networkmanagement? | 03:42 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't have the script-fu necessary to automate things like that :( | 03:43 |
| dtchen | JontheEchidna: talk to fta, who does the black magic for all the mozilla stuff. | 03:44 |
| dtchen | if it were git, it'd be considerably easier, since you could snarf apw's kernel scripts | 03:44 |
| dtchen | speaking of which, maybe you can just look at those: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/buildscripts.git;a=summary | 03:45 |
| dtchen | it's likely not all that useful without major modification, but you can at least get some idea | 03:46 |
| dtchen | barring that, i have some _extremely_ hacky junk that i use at work that i can pass you | 03:46 |
| dtchen | it's really the last resort, however | 03:46 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: got time to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scantailor ? | 03:59 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: sure | 03:59 |
| vorian | awesome | 03:59 |
| * vorian is reviewing too | 03:59 | |
| JontheEchidna | whoa, apparently I dl'd the old revu package before, but I don't ever recall doign that | 04:01 |
| vorian | ha | 04:05 |
| vorian | it was rejected via queue admin | 04:05 |
| JontheEchidna | by our very on Jonathan who is not me (tm) | 04:05 |
| vorian | ah! | 04:08 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: i'm having him bump boost to 1.38 | 04:10 |
| JontheEchidna | getting a bit late, but the packaging looks sound fwiw. Other than that boost thing I'd upload if it builds | 04:15 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess I'll do the second revu tomorrow unless it's been done already | 04:19 |
| === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve | ||
| micmord | A silly question. In my old karmic installation i got phon as audio backend. I reinstalled from karmic-alpha3 cd and now I have pulseaudio instead of phonon. What is the default kubuntu audio backend? | 07:14 |
| micmord | s/phon/phonon/ | 07:15 |
| === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz | ||
| jussi01 | Curious to know if this is a bug, but with the new knetwork manager, when Im connected to ethernet, it shows a disconnected cord... is that correct? (it is connected though) | 07:33 |
| micmord | jussi01: bug 404309 ? | 07:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 404309 in knetworkmanager "network manager plasmoid connects but shows "disconnected" icon" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404309 | 07:40 |
| jussi01 | micmord: ahh, thanks :D | 07:40 |
| micmord | At all konversation users - I got this: bug 410164 | 08:35 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 410164 could not be found | 08:35 |
| micmord | ops: bug 410163 | 08:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410163 in konversation "[karmic] wrong parsing $HOME in log path " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410163 | 08:35 |
| apachelogger | I was wondering ... to alternate synaptics touchpad settings one needs to enable SHM, however, would that work just as well without SHM but sudo? | 08:39 |
| apachelogger | if so, wouldn't it be desirable to use policykit? | 08:39 |
| apachelogger | micmord: is that $HOME pre-defined? | 08:41 |
| apachelogger | if so, it probably should be changed to not be pre-defined, other than that I do not see why $HOME should expand considering that konvi assumes the path is always in $HOME | 08:42 |
| micmord | apachelogger: I think so | 08:44 |
| apachelogger | that is not very convincing ;-) | 08:45 |
| micmord | apachelogger: i got that problem also with konvertation alpha4 | 08:45 |
| apachelogger | yep yep | 08:46 |
| micmord | starting the 6 august... maybe kde 4.3 | 08:47 |
| apachelogger | okay | 08:53 |
| apachelogger | src/viewer/chatwindow.cpp ChatWindow::cdIntoLogPath | 08:54 |
| apachelogger | cds into $HOME | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | then adds the configured file path and tries to cd/create that new path | 08:55 |
| micmord | apachelogger: I have $HOME/.kde/... in three pc, so I am sure i didn't change the default path | 08:56 |
| apachelogger | but then there is ... ./src/config/konversation.kcfg: <default code="true">QDir::homePath()+"/logs"</default> | 08:56 |
| apachelogger | the thing is... that does not fit our settings ;-) | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | since konvi on karmic goes to $HOME/.kde.... while upstream would be $HOME/logs/ | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | micmord: I recommend you talk to someone in #konversation | 09:01 |
| apachelogger | or wait for JontheEchidna to show up | 09:01 |
| apachelogger | I find that issue quite strange | 09:01 |
| micmord | apachelogger: copy that | 09:02 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: bug 404839 uploaded | 09:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 404839 in plasma-widget-windowlist "transitional package plasma-widget-windowslist not installable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404839 | 09:13 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: debdiffs are generally better than uploading the .diff.gz | 09:14 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I want to file a bug again folderview and ublog but I can't find a package name what are they under please. | 09:16 |
| apachelogger | davmor2: folderview is kdebase | 09:20 |
| davmor2 | apachelogger: is ublog the same? | 09:20 |
| apachelogger | nah | 09:20 |
| apachelogger | kdeplasma-addons | 09:21 |
| davmor2 | apachelogger: ta :) | 09:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: for mime to work in firefox libgnomevfs is needed it appears | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | we can't pipe printing through the qt print dialog since there is no binary that could be called like kdeprint | 09:28 |
| apachelogger | huh, the font size is ridiculously big here :D | 09:29 |
| davmor2 | apachelogger: do you think I need to write a separate bug for ublog or is it okay to keep the 2 appa that disappear lumped together bug 410179 | 09:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410179 in kdebase "Folderview and ublog disappear from my screen after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410179 | 09:30 |
| apachelogger | davmor2: make it affect kdeplasma-addons | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | the thing is... since both are affected it might very well be unrelated to the widgets themselfs but a bug in the plasma lib | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | but since both are patched by us (I think), it might also be a patch problem | 09:32 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: k, thank you. Will upload them in future | 09:33 |
| davmor2 | don't know what happen then | 09:35 |
| davmor2 | apachelogger: sorry you were say it might be lib plasma | 09:36 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: shall I upload plasma-netbook? | 09:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: if the packaging is fine :) | 09:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, kontrolpack's binaries in karmic are waiting in new *hint* *hint* :) | 09:42 |
| Riddell | are they now, if only it was my archive day I'd approve them. of course I can always be bribed with hugs | 09:47 |
| Riddell | "Description: blah" that may need expanding :) | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | hugs? hmmm.... | 09:49 |
| * apachelogger cuddles the Riddell | 09:49 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I knew there was something about the packaging that needed a second opinion ;-) | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: about that arora-bookmarks patch: I think we should hide the toolbar by default... I am probably not much of an example to go by, but I got quite disturbed by the fact that unused space between menu and toolbar was bigger than between toolbar and tabs | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | whereas the latter would be the emptied bookmarks bar | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: why does choqok have a LTR RTL setting? | 09:57 |
| * apachelogger would think that this stuff is done via the desktop settings | 09:57 | |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: what is a LTR RTL setting? | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | well, text direction | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | left to right or right to left | 10:01 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: uptream is persian | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | so? | 10:02 |
| neversfelde | seems to be important for him | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | still the setting is probably somewhere to be found in the KDE-wide settings stuff | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | ohhhh | 10:02 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes I agree on toolbar hiding | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | maybe ... like when you have an account for english postings and one for persian or something, so you can get it viewed properly | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: if that is the reason I think the setting should not be shown in the dialog for initial account setup | 10:03 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: I guess he has an egnlish system and some apps where he writes farsi instead of english are ready for writing right to left | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | it is a rather limited usecase, since most people only use native anyway\ | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: well, I am not generally saying the feature should go, I just think it is too visible upon first start | 10:04 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: I will talk to him about that. Anyway 0.6.5 is ready to release afaik, so it is not urgent | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | and you know how it is, the more stuff you ask the user the less likely he will finish the initial setup ;-) | 10:04 |
| neversfelde | and I am on the road for the next 2 and a half week :) | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: how about this: fill the toobar with Kubuntu/Ubuntu/KDE content but hide it, so if someone chooses to activate it, they will still get a good amount of branding and direction towards system information | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: so who is going to do the package update? :P | 10:06 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'm not terribly keen on default bookmarks, most of our users shouldn't have their lives orientated around their operating system, but if you think of useful bookmarks that's should be ok | 10:07 |
| Riddell | ninjas: new KOffice if anyone wants to take it | 10:08 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: I have send some changes to bzr, yet. Probably I can complete it when I arrive at my parents house and I can find a computer without windows :) | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: Well, either we fill it with branding content or useful content | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | i.e. the beloved socialnetwork stuff | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: bzr also works on windows :P | 10:11 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: really? haha, I guess I will need one week to find out how to install | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | actually there is an installer thingy and integration like for svn | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | if you ever used svn on windows ;) | 10:12 |
| neversfelde | nope | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | well, ask the google, it probably got screenies | 10:13 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: or just leave it empty? | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: basically it will integrate in explorer and provide a tray icon (i think) | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, at least one item would be appropriate | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: otherwise the bar is, well, kind of invisible even if the hide setting is unset | 10:14 |
| apachelogger | so I'd at least add kubuntu.org | 10:15 |
| Riddell | I don't see what's wrong with it being invisible, it's perfectly easy to find when you're adding bookmarks | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | well, it _might_ be confusing | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | really, I never got the point of bookmarks anyway, much less of a bar just to display them | 10:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: sounds like you're just the sort of person who wants to leave it empty :) | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | I would remove it completely | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | just wastes my poor memory :P | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | hm, you know, I find it incredibly funny that ruby1.8 got performance issues due to tcltk crap, but still batpull feels faster than pull-lp-source :P | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | guys I just saw that there were some updates for today (nice little notification) I clicked on select all updates and apply shouldn't it ask for the admin password at that point? | 10:49 |
| Riddell | agateau: pingping | 10:53 |
| * apachelogger slips of chair | 11:09 | |
| === riddell__ is now known as Riddelll | ||
| Riddell | Riddelll: ping | 11:22 |
| Riddell | Riddelll: ping | 11:23 |
| Riddell | Riddelll: ping ping | 11:23 |
| Riddell | Riddelll: ooh | 11:24 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Have you gone test crazy on two systems by any chance? | 11:24 |
| Riddelll | davmor2: message indicator is working | 11:26 |
| Riddelll | agateau is rocking | 11:26 |
| davmor2 | Riddelll: Oh now it all make sense :) | 11:26 |
| Riddelll | davmor2: ping me baby | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | Riddelll: ping | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | Riddelll: it's saddly worrying that your getting so excited about this ;) | 11:28 |
| apachelogger | patchy patchy patch patch | 11:46 |
| Riddell | agateau: bug 410228 | 11:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410228 in plasma-widget-indicatordisplay "main inclusion report plasma-widget-indicatordisplay" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410228 | 11:58 |
| agateau | Riddell: yeah! | 11:59 |
| Riddell | agateau: now we just have to poke someone into doing the MIR | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: so, should I add an entry to the bookmarkstoolbar? | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | already made it hidden by default | 12:01 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I vote for hidden and empty | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | k | 12:01 |
| * apachelogger uploads | 12:01 | |
| ghostcube | ok, i dont get my systemsettings bug fixed i just copied an sh script to kde autostart | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | oO | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | hi peoples | 12:04 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok | 12:05 |
| * agateau assumes MIR stands for "Main Inclusion Request" or something like this | 12:05 | |
| Riddell | yes | 12:05 |
| Riddell | or Review | 12:05 |
| Riddell | asac and lool can do them | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | !MIR | 12:06 |
| ubottu | mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information. | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | or report :P | 12:06 |
| Riddell | I note asac just left the room | 12:06 |
| agateau | apachelogger: nice, my guess was not too far | 12:06 |
| asac | Riddell: i am still here ;) | 12:15 |
| asac | oh you mean this romm her ;) | 12:15 |
| asac | hehe | 12:15 |
| asac | ok | 12:15 |
| micmord | apachelogger: about OO.org icons. With default openoffice.org-style-human i don't see any icons. After installing openoffice.org-style-crystal they appear. | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | eh? | 12:21 |
| micmord | apachelogger: with fresh kubuntu-alpha3 installation, I haven't any icons on oo.org | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | sound like fun | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | ooo should die anyway :P | 12:22 |
| micmord | taht's true | 12:22 |
| ghostcube | oo is die hygiene fürs .... | 12:22 |
| ghostcube | hehe | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | well | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | micmord: I suppose we are waiting for oxygen to arrive | 12:23 |
| Riddell | micmord: that's known, we're waiting on the new release for kde 4 integration | 12:23 |
| micmord | \o/ | 12:23 |
| ghostcube | btw Riddell thx for the mainline link i installed 2.6.30.4 but sensors still doesnt work lol | 12:24 |
| ghostcube | only thing i needed was an newer nvidia glx and i need my lan drivers | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | can one create and install a nilfs partition using the live-cd? | 12:25 |
| micmord | Here the bug 390355 | 12:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 390355 in openoffice.org "[kubuntu] no icons in openoffice on kde" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390355 | 12:33 |
| ghostcube | but one thing i dont get why is the atl1 chipset for the asus-p5q-pro maiboard ethernet adapter not in the mainline kernels | 12:33 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Hi! If you still care, you could adapt beta6 to kubuntu (unless it was kicked out of the archive while I wasn't looking)... | 12:42 |
| ghostcube | is there an irc channel for the mainline kernels | 12:47 |
| ghostcube | oO | 12:47 |
| dpm | JontheEchidna: thanks a lot for locating all those untranslated strings! Just one thing: it's better to file them against the kubuntu source package (and perhaps mentioning the kde module) rather than against the language-pack-kde-xx package, since there are lots of them. Usually I think it might be best to assign only l10n bugs to the language-pack-kde-xx package (or more critical i18n bugs affecting a particular language) | 12:55 |
| JontheEchidna | mornfall: sure | 13:10 |
| JontheEchidna | dpm: the thing about that Open Terminal string in dolphin, it is properly l10n'd. Maybe it's a rosetta bug? | 13:10 |
| JontheEchidna | action->setText(i18nc("@action:inmenu Tools", "Open &Terminal")); | 13:11 |
| ryanakca | Can someone take care of bug 410257 please? | 13:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410257 in kobby "Sync kobby 1.0~beta3-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410257 | 13:20 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Thanks! | 13:20 |
| mornfall | See ya. | 13:20 |
| JontheEchidna | ryanakca: acking | 13:22 |
| ryanakca | JontheEchidna: thanks | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 410273 | 13:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410273 in adept "Sync adept 3.0~beta6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410273 | 13:42 |
| * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna in the eye | 13:58 | |
| apachelogger | see my earlier monologue about the $HOME issue in konvi | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | patching is not indicated at all | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | just make the defaults fit the new code | 13:59 |
| JontheEchidna | aah, ok | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: we need to give kubuntu-bugs some more appeal | 14:07 |
| ryanakca | Does anybody have the time / interest in helping me figure out why http://packages.debian.org/sid/frescobaldi builds in jaunty but not karmic? | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: mind sponsoring k-d-s bzr? | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, but first I should test the fix | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | brb | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: yay, it works | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | shm hates me | 14:30 |
| maco | apachelogger: why are you using shm? | 14:42 |
| maco | didnt i see something recently about current -synaptics not having it? | 14:43 |
| sebas | Riddell: have you patched kickoff to change the names of suspend and hibernate actions? | 14:45 |
| sebas | I'm noticiing (after someone emails me) that it's different between my kubuntu and my trunk install | 14:45 |
| sebas | If so, is that planned for ksmserver as well? | 14:46 |
| sebas | And could you pass that upstream, I'd be in favor of merging it, if I didn't miss anything crucial | 14:46 |
| Riddell | sebas: yes I patched something, I think it was kickoff and powerdevil which I thought I'd put upstream, I may well have missed ksmserver though | 14:51 |
| sebas | Riddell: ksmserver seems to be inconsistent with kickoff and powerdevil/plasma in kubuntu | 14:52 |
| sebas | kickoff is different from upstream at least | 14:52 |
| allee-m | sebas: about susp. and hiber.: With alt-ctrl-del can access susp and hiber only as submenues of shutdown'. Will this (should I) fix it? | 14:52 |
| sebas | If you have that patch handy ... :) | 14:52 |
| sebas | allee-m: hmm, dunno ... it would make sense to have a "default switch computer off action" IMO | 14:53 |
| sebas | So you go "off means always suspend" | 14:53 |
| sebas | So the main button in ksmserver should IMO reflect that | 14:53 |
| sebas | Who maintains ksmserver? Is that ossi? | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Either ossi or seli | 14:57 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: nm plasmoid in experimental had the same problem for me as the other day, it doesn't do anything with wireless | 15:12 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: but also, cry https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/network-manager/0.8~a~git.20090804t185522.4bab334-0ubuntu1 | 15:12 |
| Riddell | so it'll be entirely broken now anyway | 15:12 |
| JontheEchidna | we are sooo royally screwed | 15:12 |
| Riddell | mm hmm | 15:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ok if I upload kdebase-workspace? | 15:15 |
| JontheEchidna | If they feel like shoving experimental crap like that down our throats then at the least they should make a Solid backend for 0.8, or revert the new version. | 15:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: if it builds :) | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | because I can't imagine that KDE'll want to make a 0.8 backend anytime soon | 15:16 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what is the fuzz about? | 15:17 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: nm team uploaded NM 0.8, we are screwed | 15:17 |
| Riddell | their argument is that 0.7 is abandoned upstream | 15:17 |
| allee-k | JontheEchidna: _if_ gnome would use the new systray protocol, then AFAIU KDE would have to do nothing ;) | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | you know | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | I am sick of it | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | I have a feeling that some kubuntu dev will go wild and revert back to 0.7 | 15:19 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't see what systrays have to do with it | 15:19 | |
| * JontheEchidna would be in support of a revert | 15:19 | |
| Riddell | not that the 0.7 version worked very well anyway | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | better than not working at all | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | not working will be super useless once beta goes out | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | I am wondering what sebas thinks we should do | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | maybe bitching, moaning and switching to mandriva is the ultimate solution | 15:21 |
| Riddell | he thinks we should use nm-applet | 15:21 |
| Riddell | and currently I think it's the only option, although it goes against everything Kubuntu is for | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | well | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | screw that | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | what is kubuntu worth if it doesnt work | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | just my opinion | 15:22 |
| Riddell | mind that this isn't a kubuntu problem, it's a KDE problem, we can only do what KDE offers | 15:23 |
| sebas | apachelogger: I haven't looked at NM 0.8 at all | 15:23 |
| sebas | Will said, I think "I'll wait until release, they're not even feature frozen atm" | 15:24 |
| yuriy | uhoh | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | well, from my point of view upstream nor kubuntu should be using nm to begin with | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | one way or another we will always be one step behind nm-applet | 15:24 |
| sebas | Why not? | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | and I don't see how that is changing any time soon | 15:25 |
| sebas | Well, the UI bits we have now don't depend on NM anyway | 15:25 |
| sebas | The NM specific part is a kded module that offers a dbus interface | 15:25 |
| sebas | the UI uses a client lib to interact with that, the kded module is interchangeable (wicd, NM, connman at some point) | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | yeah, a step in the right direction really | 15:25 |
| sebas | Indeed, it's got two advantages: NM internals are really complex, we want to hide that | 15:26 |
| sebas | and we don't depend on NM itself | 15:26 |
| yuriy | sebas: maybe Will can take a look at 0.8 and give us an idea of how much work it would be to port? | 15:26 |
| sebas | yuriy: if it's not feature-frozen, it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO | 15:27 |
| sebas | if nm0.8 scheduled for karmic? | 15:27 |
| sebas | and replacing nm 0.7? | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | sebas: a git snapshot currently _is_ in karmic | 15:27 |
| sebas | ah, wow. | 15:27 |
| sebas | That's ... not exactly handy | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | :/ | 15:28 |
| allee-k | JontheEchidna: do you plan to work again on bug 389744 anytime soon? I ponder if I give aseigos suggestion a try ... | 15:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389744 in kdebase-workspace "Fix avatar in KDE menu to be next to username" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389744 | 15:29 |
| Riddell | guys: I chatted to ubuntu nm folks and they're saying they will look at it | 15:29 |
| allee-k | kubntu ninjas: is there a command like apt-get source that download source + bzr co lp: instead of diff.gz ? | 15:31 |
| Riddell | also suse will be switching to 0.8 so knetworkmanager should switch too | 15:31 |
| apachelogger | allee-k: gypsy form kde-dev-tools | 15:31 |
| Riddell | allee-k: most packages now have bzr imports in launchpad actually | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | though, I think gypsy is missing some branch locations :P | 15:32 |
| Riddell | bzr co lp:ubuntu/<package> | 15:32 |
| allee-k | Riddell, apachelogger: ahh, so much changed in the last year to the better (beside nm ;) thx | 15:33 |
| JontheEchidna | allee-k: feel free to take over, I've not had time | 15:41 |
| allee-k | JontheEchidna: ok. In case I'm manage to enhance the patch I'll reassign | 15:43 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: What needs to be done for the settings for the two plasmoids under "Social from the Start" on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic ? | 15:45 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: microblog is fine I think, opendesktop needs code changes to make it not try to connect before it has an account but to show the "users near me" without an account | 15:48 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: OK | 15:49 |
| Riddell | also to work out why it doesn't respect its minimum size | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could I trouble you with bug 410273? | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410273 in adept "Sync adept 3.0~beta6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410273 | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | huh, wonder why requestsync let me confirm that/subscribe the archive admins, I'm no core-dev | 15:51 |
| jjesse | maybe you just got promoted :) | 15:52 |
| JontheEchidna | haha, yeah | 15:52 |
| JontheEchidna | that'd be funny | 15:53 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: what package is it in? | 15:53 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: kdeplasma-addons | 15:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: for some reason the installer needed >1 minute to switch from timezone to keyboard | 16:04 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: also he new UI is somewhat sluggish on my dell mini | 16:19 |
| nixternal | Riddell: feel like re-enabling my Kubuntu Membership? seems to have expired last month without letting me know | 16:30 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: OK. At the moment, it shows the "Users near me" without an account, the only difference is that is is slightly grayed and there's a "Configure" button over top of it, but clicking / etc. Maybe modify k-d-s to have it display the "Users near me" by default? | 16:31 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you usually get four days notice, if you're not paying attention then you get kicked out | 16:31 |
| Riddell | what do we think, should we let nixternal back in? | 16:31 |
| nixternal | hah, but I do pay attention | 16:31 |
| jjesse | hrmm he will have to buy me dinner | 16:32 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: does it actually show any nearby users? | 16:32 |
| nixternal | I am broke | 16:32 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Yes | 16:32 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: I can try it in a VM, but after deleting my account from the applet, in still does | 16:32 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: it wasn't doing that for me until after I configured a user account | 16:32 |
| Riddell | ok good | 16:32 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you're back in! | 16:33 |
| nixternal | thank you sir :) | 16:34 |
| Riddell | anyone on jaunty with 4.3? | 16:35 |
| nixternal | ahh, I see why I didn't get it...seems LP messages are going to the trash bin | 16:35 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Yes | 16:36 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: now try it with an updated system and killall plasma-desktop; rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*; plasma-desktop | 16:40 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I am still not getting any of my KDE mailing list emails | 16:45 |
| nixternal | my kde.org email addy is working, and I have gone through and tried to wake up the mailing lists to me without any luck | 16:45 |
| nixternal | sebas: you know of anything going on that may be causing this ^^ you should be getting an email from me since you are in some of the -owner addresses :) | 16:46 |
| sebas | nixternal: dunno, maybe you're on vacation globally? | 16:47 |
| nixternal | I disabled globally and then re-enabled globally to see if that was it and it wasn' | 16:47 |
| nixternal | I never set it to disabled/vacation globally | 16:47 |
| sebas | Hm, then I don't know | 16:47 |
| sebas | ask one of the sysadmins | 16:47 |
| nixternal | WHAT? I can't believe that dude, you know everything KDE :) | 16:47 |
| sebas | yeah, but I'm too lazy to help you ;-) | 16:48 |
| nixternal | ooh nice, Camp KDE 2010 in La Jolla!!! See you there! | 16:48 |
| ubottu | Error: KDE bug 2010 could not be found | 16:48 |
| nixternal | stupid bot | 16:48 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: did rgreening look at your plasma facebook package? | 16:49 |
| * nixternal loves San Dog and La Jolla | 16:49 | |
| sebas | nixternal: yeah, it should be "KDE bug 2010 could not be found *yet*" | 16:49 |
| ubottu | Error: KDE bug 2010 could not be found | 16:49 |
| nixternal | sebas: we will have to go to Pacific Beach Bar and Grill.... Pacific Beach, Mission Beach, and La Jolla Beach, in that order as the best beaches out there :) | 16:50 |
| nixternal | and we can go to Lego Land :) | 16:50 |
| sebas | How about "we can hack"? :) | 16:51 |
| nixternal | we can do that too of course | 16:51 |
| sebas | yeah, if the weather turns out to be bad (riiiiiiiiiiiiight) | 16:51 |
| nixternal | err, ya january, so no ocean for sure there, but it is still a blast out there | 16:51 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Yes... I'm still not much further off that I was though. | 16:53 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: further off what? | 16:54 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: It builds / what not fine, I can import the plasma applet from python, but Plasma complains that it can't find the python package. | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | ewww | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | today's netbook image is in to too good state | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | plasma-desktop didn't wanna start and now kdeinit4 crashed without me doing anything at all | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | s/to/not | 16:57 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: meh, it shouldn't be any different than the desktop | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | so the desktop got those problems too? :P | 16:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: not that I know of | 17:04 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: It must be because I still had my credentials hidden away in some config file. I don't think it's possible to display "Users near me" since it processess the page https://api.opendesktop.org/v1/person/data?latitude=44&longitude=-76&distance=5&page=0&pagesize=64 (insert your lat/long), which requires you to log in to view... | 17:04 |
| ryanakca | (the openDesktop plugin that is) | 17:04 |
| JontheEchidna | ^in that case it might be just better to not include the openDesktop widget at all, since the default desktop does seem a bit cramped on smaller screens | 17:05 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: hmm, fooey | 17:06 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: yeah maybe | 17:07 |
| Riddell | let's remove it for now and I'll e-mail Frank suggesting he make that not need configuration | 17:07 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: the spec http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-services strongly recommends authentication, "most services require a authenticated user. this is important for legal reasons. and to prevent DOS attacks. At the moment we support autentification via login/password or an API key." | 17:08 |
| * ryanakca wishes people would learn to capitalize | 17:08 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: very weird | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: what do we do about blocked updates? | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: why does the software sources dialog instantly apply changes? that is rather un-kdeish, isn't it? | 17:11 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: hmm right, that means a fail for my "do something interesting without config" plan | 17:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: blocked updates? in kpackagekit? | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | yep | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | bug 342671 | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 342671 in packagekit "Doesn't support installations which require a removal or updates which require additional software" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342671 | 17:12 |
| maco | so it cant do full-upgrade? | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | it's like apt-get only supported upgrade but not dist-upgrade | 17:13 |
| maco | ok so i used aptitude phrasing :P | 17:14 |
| Riddell | poke glatzor? | 17:14 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: the software sources tool is pretty much a straight-up port of the PyGTK one. It'd be nice to see that rewritten as a KCM | 17:14 |
| glatzor | Riddell, hello. | 17:14 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Bummer | 17:14 |
| Riddell | glatzor: packagekit and dist-upgrade vs upgrade, what's the status again? | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: more importantly get an apply button :P | 17:15 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: how does this work for you? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-facebook | 17:15 |
| glatzor | Riddell, in the end it is a policy decision. | 17:17 |
| glatzor | I was quite busy working on aptdaemon the last weeks. But I plan to donate some time to packagekit the next week. | 17:17 |
| glatzor | Riddell, will we see kde/qt policykit-1 support in karmic? | 17:18 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: checking :) | 17:18 |
| Riddell | glatzor: I've never seen a point in apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade seems to do what actually wants to be done | 17:18 |
| Riddell | glatzor: I've not heard anything about policykit-1, want me to ask the policykit-qt authors? | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/003223.html | 17:19 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I suppose asking is necessary | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | hm, I don't like how the kpackagekit's installing dialog constantly switches size | 17:20 |
| glatzor | Riddell, I will discuss the dist upgrade issue with dantti. | 17:20 |
| * apachelogger pokes the hide button :P | 17:21 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I think we should drop the quickaccess plasmoid from the netbook setup to increase taskbar space | 17:22 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: "This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: facebook" | 17:22 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Actually, that's probably because plasmoidviewer can't find the applet. It doesn't appear in the "Add widget..." window either... | 17:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: well we're changing it to plasma-netbook | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | that is premature IMHO | 17:24 |
| Riddell | why? there's no point in just having a clone of the normal Kubuntu CD | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | if, at all, they should be both installed, both polished, | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: there is also no point in deploying broken software | 17:25 |
| allee-k | Riddell: Is there an overview/searchform what is available as lp:ubuntu/<srcpkg>. kdebase(-workspace), digikam all fail :( | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | if the netbook shell should, for whatever reason, not be ready for primetime by karmic release we have to have a fallback that is as suited for the usecase as possible | 17:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package> and click on code | 17:26 |
| Riddell | allee-k: rather ^^ | 17:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: then there's no point in releasing a netbook image at all, people can just use the normal CD image | 17:27 |
| Riddell | allee-k: only about half the packages are imported so far | 17:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: just that they won't get the apps and settings | 17:28 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what apps? | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | those that have not be added yet | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: if we go with either plasma-netbook or no release, then we won't get the additional buzz | 17:31 |
| Riddell | there's no buzz to be had from something that's no different from the desktop CD | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | a) it is different b) you will even get buzz if you tell people that Kubuntu now supports more than one CPU core for various apps | 17:33 |
| maco | Riddell: the default settings and apps are different | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | we need to start somewhere, and I rather have people test an image that is pretty similar to the desktop image, so they at least report hardware issues, than do no release | 17:35 |
| sebas | nixternal: an email to sysadmin@ would've been fine :D | 17:36 |
| ryanakca | What's our $KDEDIR ? | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | it shows that kubuntu is dedicated to creating a good netbook image, and eventually will get contributors on board | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: I don't think we set that | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | but if we did it was /usr | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | I suppose at least ;-) | 17:38 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: *nod*... | 17:39 |
| ryanakca | The facebook applet is simple enough that imho, it might be quicker / easier just to rewrite it in C++ than keep stabbing in the dark and trying to figure out where the python plasmoids should go for a system install... | 17:41 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: more than one CPU core? | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: multiprocessor threading | 17:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: how does it support that? | 17:45 |
| apachelogger | via the kernel | 17:45 |
| Riddell | the kernel is the same surely | 17:46 |
| apachelogger | well, my point is that people usually wanna try new/fancy stuff and be it only for the sake of proofing it old/unfancy | 17:46 |
| apachelogger | so there will be buzz, unless we don't manage to bring the word of greatness and fancyness out to the world | 17:47 |
| apachelogger | so in case the netbook shell is not stable enough for karmic, we should release with plasma-desktop, but make it clear that we are dedicated to ship karmic+1 with a lot more improved shell ... blah blah [insert promo talk] | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | eventually that way the netbook image of karmic+1 will receive even more attention from the more advanced users, since they might wanna know what progress we made etc. | 17:49 |
| Riddell | I don't see what the new/fancy stuff is, as far as I can see the main feature is the new plasma-netbook UI | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | there doesn't need to be any, the font size is more suited for netbooking and ScottK and I agree that we probably should be shipping Arora or Firefox, since the netbook is not affected by upgrade scenarios (and thus migration) and got an even greater usecase for a working browser | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | also it got more lang packs according to ScottK | 17:54 |
| Riddell | doesn't sound terribly compelling, plus this is alpha time it's ok to ship alpha quality software | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | yeah, I am all for getting plasma-netbook in and default | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | but we need to make sure that plasma-desktop is also suited, so it can jump in as fallback if necessary | 17:57 |
| _Sime | sebas: you there? | 18:00 |
| _Sime | sebas: ping | 18:00 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: so can I add plasma-netbook to the seed? pweese? | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yes, what I meant to state in my original statement is to keep plasma-desktop on as well | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | next step would be to add a switcher plasmoid to both of them, so both can be tested on the fly | 18:08 |
| nixternal | sebas: phil rodriguez figured it out :) rjohnson@kde.org -> nixternal@ubuntu.com which is bouncing it :) | 18:15 |
| * nixternal has to fix that now | 18:15 | |
| * apachelogger should also get an kde.org addy :P | 18:16 | |
| nixternal | don't forward it to @ubuntu.com :p | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | would never do :P | 18:18 |
| ryanakca | Does anybody have the time / interest in helping me figure out why http://packages.debian.org/sid/frescobaldi builds in jaunty but not karmic? | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | got a logged build? | 18:27 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249345/ ... I've compared the versions to those on packages.ubuntu.com, they all should work... | 18:33 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Nevermind. It's a local issue. I must have messed something up when creating my chroot, my karmic chroot is hardy... | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | fancy | 18:36 |
| glatzor | Riddell, I changed upgrade to dist-upgrade | 18:38 |
| glatzor | Riddell, only packages kept back by dist-upgrade will be shown as blocked | 18:38 |
| glatzor | Riddell, there is currently now way to show an available update and suggest to not install it | 18:39 |
| ryanakca | Can someone ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/410400 please? | 19:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410400 in ubuntu "Sync frescobaldi 0.7.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] | 19:11 |
| ghostcube | cool new kernel and new nvidia drivers :) | 19:12 |
| ghostcube | hmm is 2.6.31rc5 ok to test | 19:12 |
| ghostcube | yeah | 19:13 |
| ghostcube | asus-p5q-pro | 19:13 |
| ghostcube | works now with sensors | 19:13 |
| ghostcube | oo | 19:13 |
| ghostcube | hehe | 19:13 |
| ghostcube | sudo modprobe w83627ehf | 19:13 |
| ghostcube | very cool | 19:14 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: ping | 19:39 |
| seele | argh.. cannot recover my opendesktop.org password | 19:42 |
| markey | hey all | 19:44 |
| * seele waves | 19:44 | |
| markey | having some issues with installing kde-devel on karmic | 19:44 |
| markey | http://pastebin.com/m43140fbf | 19:44 |
| markey | any ideas? :) | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | funny | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | hum hum | 19:57 |
| slacker_nl | what is funny? | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | how broken packages can get from merging :P | 19:58 |
| slacker_nl | haha | 19:58 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde had a fix for that iirc | 19:58 |
| * apachelogger uploads fix :P | 19:58 | |
| apachelogger | markey: fix should be arriving soonish | 20:00 |
| markey | you're the best *smooooch* | 20:00 |
| markey | :> | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | *blush* | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do you have to remove the kde-core binary manually or will some archive cleaning script do that? ... was renamed to kde-minimal months ago | 20:00 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it'll show up in NBS, but a removal bug with ubuntu-archive subscribed wouldn't hurt | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | kthx | 21:04 |
| sebas | Is karmic shipped with some snapshot of the NM plasmoid? | 21:04 |
| sebas | I'm seeing quite some crash reports... | 21:05 |
| JontheEchidna | sebas: currently it's using the new KNM | 21:05 |
| sebas | Ah, good | 21:05 |
| Riddell | also bug reports use apport so go to us | 21:05 |
| JontheEchidna | the plasmoid is the nice picture of the cellphone at the moment | 21:05 |
| sebas | I still can't care about all those crash reports, just seeing that our good bugsquad has tons of work with it | 21:05 |
| sebas | Apparently not all | 21:06 |
| sebas | Basically, I've no idea what exactly those people are using, I don't care why it crashes (the code has been refactored lately) | 21:06 |
| sebas | So all those bugreports are useless and cause work :/ | 21:07 |
| Riddell | could be the jaunty one | 21:07 |
| sebas | Hm, maybe | 21:07 |
| sebas | That's the deprecated one | 21:07 |
| sebas | I just wanted to make sure you're not shipping the current one, because I *know* that it's crashy | 21:07 |
| Riddell | karmic currenly has svn1002781 from Thu, 30 Jul 2009 | 21:10 |
| Riddell | so does Kubuntu backports for jaunty | 21:10 |
| seele | wow.. my opendesktop.org account is from 2002 | 21:10 |
| seele | that's before i started contributing to kde | 21:10 |
| sebas | Riddell: Let me check which one that is | 21:10 |
| sebas | It'd be good if that was removed, because the bugreports are killing time | 21:10 |
| sebas | I won't support that version also | 21:11 |
| Riddell | seele: it sucked you in! | 21:11 |
| JontheEchidna | sebas: that's a KNM snapshot | 21:11 |
| seele | Riddell: the only comments registered are about a KDE background i made and uploaded, hehe | 21:11 |
| sebas | Ah, I thought the plasmoid | 21:11 |
| sebas | KNM should be fine | 21:12 |
| sebas | seele: make me a friend! | 21:12 |
| Riddell | I wasn't clear, it's the same package name but now contain s the knetworkmanager binary | 21:12 |
| sebas | ah | 21:12 |
| Riddell | seele the artist! | 21:12 |
| seele | sebas: done | 21:15 |
| seele | (i think) | 21:15 |
| sebas | seele: yay :) | 21:15 |
| Riddell | seele: ooh ooh, me too | 21:16 |
| seele | hmm.. changed my password but i still can't seem to login to the plasma widget thingy | 21:16 |
| * sebas notes that a good way to make friends is writing a social desktop plasmoid | 21:16 | |
| sebas | Works for me :) | 21:16 |
| seele | Riddell: whats your nick? searching for your name didnt work | 21:16 |
| Riddell | jriddell I think | 21:17 |
| * Nightrose too | 21:17 | |
| maco | seele: youre not on my friends list, so im guessing searching for yours didnt work for me either | 21:17 |
| Nightrose | :D | 21:17 |
| maco | either that or you ignored my friend request | 21:17 |
| seele | maco: i havent logged into my account since june 2002 | 21:17 |
| seele | the only thing i had was a nick name and an address | 21:18 |
| maco | oh | 21:18 |
| seele | i'm lucky i still had access to my college email account.. apparently that is what i used | 21:18 |
| seele | ok people | 21:18 |
| maco | so did i | 21:18 |
| seele | my nick i seele on opendesktop.org | 21:18 |
| seele | YOU add me | 21:18 |
| Nightrose | but but but | 21:18 |
| Nightrose | we're lazy! :D | 21:19 |
| Riddell | what? now we have to work for your friendship? | 21:19 |
| seele | Riddell: omg you know i found your nick but now i think i wont add you | 21:19 |
| Nightrose | *lol* | 21:19 |
| Riddell | hey! | 21:20 |
| maco | searching username seele gets me: seele varcuzzo, Jacques Bourquin, and MS ... which are you? | 21:21 |
| seele | wow lag | 21:21 |
| seele | seele varcuzzo.. wonder why it's still using my video game name | 21:22 |
| seele | i change that to celeste like 20 minutes ago | 21:22 |
| seele | maybe that's why i can't login to the widget after changing my password | 21:22 |
| Riddell | left over from a previous marrage? :) | 21:23 |
| maco | request sent | 21:23 |
| maco | after i click you it says your name | 21:23 |
| maco | but the search page shows that varczzo one | 21:23 |
| seele | no i've not been married before. although funny you should say that | 21:25 |
| seele | i'm off to vermont in a few hours to witness my little sister's second | 21:25 |
| seele | argh.. i reset my password, but apparently not | 21:27 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: Did your backport thing get sorted out while I was gone? | 21:27 |
| ghostcube | hi :) | 21:31 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: http://pastie.org/575965 can you tell me if this is normal :) | 21:31 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: What's the plan for kgraphviewer? | 22:06 |
| Riddell | ScottK: helio says that compiled for him so it could be our gcc being strict | 22:07 |
| Riddell | which typically is NCommander's forte | 22:07 |
| ScottK | OK. Well it's one of 2 boost1.35 r-build-depends left, so it'd be really nice to see it go. | 22:08 |
| seele | hmm.. when did i drop? | 22:10 |
| JontheEchidna | [16:59:02] <-- seele has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). | 22:10 |
| seele | hmm | 22:10 |
| Riddell | you didn't miss much here | 22:10 |
| seele | what happened to friday nights being *busy* on irc | 22:11 |
| seele | ah shit.. server is down | 22:11 |
| seele | or died | 22:12 |
| Riddell | too many people with social lives? | 22:12 |
| seele | social lives.. what's that | 22:12 |
| seele | they should be working on free software! | 22:13 |
| ScottK | My impression is that activity on Ubuntu IRC channels is down significantly from a year or two ago pretty much accross the board. | 22:13 |
| maco | seele: please explain this to the linuxchix! | 22:13 |
| Riddell | plasma-widget-indicatordisplay is in universe now, you can test it with konversation | 22:13 |
| seele | maco: dead in there too? | 22:13 |
| maco | seele: no no the irc is fine. i mean the working on free software part | 22:13 |
| Riddell | maco: I hear they just talk about cute geek guys in there :) | 22:14 |
| maco | remember at the meeting ScottK came to, everyone said theyd never considered actually giving back to the projects they use | 22:14 |
| seele | linux chix who dont want to work on free software? | 22:14 |
| seele | argh | 22:14 |
| seele | maco: add this to your list of reasons why i dont like linuxchix :P | 22:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: that konvi upload ftbfs | 22:14 |
| maco | Riddell: not often. that was just in response to Spike's "hottest geek girls" list ...which didnt really have any geeks on it | 22:14 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: waa | 22:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: cmake didn't find libindicate-qt | 22:15 |
| maco | seele: the people on irc do contribute, i think... but the people in dc chapter? they all went "you're contributing? but youre so young" (which haha right..umm..im older than a handful of motu) and i said "er...almost 3 years of using, dont wanna just be a leech" and they were like "er..ive been..umm...7 years...never really thought about..." | 22:16 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: you know it you help if I build-deped on the -dev package wouldn't it | 22:16 |
| maco | haha | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, I guess | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 22:17 |
| maco | seele: thats why i wanted to do a "how to contribute" thing with linuxchix instead of the usual "lets eat!" | 22:17 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I thought the deal we had with Ayatana was that we'd provide the indicator for non-Kubuntu stuff that used it, but that our default desktop stuff would only use it if a user had optionally enabled it? | 22:19 |
| maco | that sounds right | 22:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Looking at the implementation, it looks like the user would not notice any change at all unless they explicitly had the indicator widget thre | 22:21 |
| JontheEchidna | thre-> there | 22:21 |
| JontheEchidna | otherwise you get that crappy amarok osd, if you have notifications enabled at all | 22:21 |
| dajomu | I've read several places that jaunty gives a horrible KDE experience. unstable and not well implemented. Why is that and what is done for the next release to fix that? | 22:46 |
| seele | dajomu: if you havent actually used it how do you know what you read is true? | 22:47 |
| dajomu | I've used it :) | 22:47 |
| bobesponja | hey | 22:48 |
| bobesponja | I get this error trying to compile a plasmoid http://pastebin.com/m60f33214 even though I have qt libs headers installed and can compile choqok and others | 22:48 |
| dajomu | seele: are you saying they are lying? | 22:48 |
| seele | dajomu: then you should have said "I think that jaunty..." not that youve read | 22:48 |
| bobesponja | how do I tell it where are the qtlibs? I'm not sure where they are in kubuntu | 22:48 |
| seele | dajomu: i think people are entitled to their own opinion and we've also had excellent reviews written about jaunty | 22:49 |
| dajomu | seele: thats true. there were some issues that affected me, but maybe not everybody. | 22:59 |
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| Monika|K | Not sure why they say Jaunty gives a bad KDE experience ... the first KDE 4 release that is usable for me. I had a problem with plasma not starting at first, though - this was remedied by upgrading to 4.2.4 from a ppa | 23:06 |
| Quintasan | GRR | 23:08 |
| Quintasan | And to think that I was so close | 23:08 |
| Quintasan | T_T | 23:09 |
| dajomu | Monika|K: upgrading to 4.2.something gave me a black-screen and I "had to" reinstall | 23:10 |
| dajomu | several times | 23:10 |
| ghostcube | hmmm if i pull the plasma network manager applet it want to remove network manager | 23:10 |
| Monika|K | What was the cause and what was the solution? | 23:10 |
| ghostcube | whats the difference peoples | 23:10 |
| Monika|K | Was ist der Unterschied Völker?! | 23:11 |
| dajomu | I didn't pursue the problem. Installed linuxmint which worked fine | 23:11 |
| ghostcube | hmm als ich auf 4.3.0 gegangen bin musste ich den .kde moven wollt ich erst nich aber Quintasanhatte recht | 23:11 |
| ghostcube | so anyone can tell me the difference between the plasma widget and the kde network manager and what i should keep | 23:12 |
| Monika|K | on the list it was set that the network manager is newer than the widget and more stable (or intended to be) | 23:13 |
| Monika|K | and everyone was asked to test the stand-alone network manager | 23:13 |
| Monika|K | s/set/said | 23:13 |
| Monika|K | or written ;) | 23:13 |
| ghostcube | http://pastie.org/575965 | 23:16 |
| seele | ok.. off to the airport, back in a few hours | 23:16 |
| ghostcube | see what i mean | 23:16 |
| ghostcube | :) | 23:16 |
| ghostcube | is there anything that gets not redone if you move .kde to .kde-old and make a new login | 23:17 |
| ghostcube | i need to copy over ? | 23:18 |
| Monika|K | keep network-manager-kde | 23:18 |
| ghostcube | Monika|K: in my post ? | 23:18 |
| Monika|K | yes | 23:18 |
| ghostcube | ok | 23:18 |
| ghostcube | why are all the dev packages on remove | 23:18 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: afaik not | 23:19 |
| nixternal | 8.04 - are we really worried about fixing minor bugs? ie. kubuntu-docs install issue? seeing as we are only 2 months away until EOL | 23:24 |
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