[00:49] <shtylman> Riddell: I am looking at the printer mockups..and it seems that the only thing really todo is make an icon list instead of a tree view... is that right? or am I missing what else should be done?
[01:05] <ryanakca> Hurray, Frescobaldi and Kobby are now in Debian NEW, sync time :)
[01:14] <ryanakca> s/NEW/{unstable,experimental}/
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's in kubuntu-ppa/experimental for karmic if you wish to test
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> yay, latest langpack update makes everything look splendid in Spanish
[02:57] <vorian> lies
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> yo quiero taco bell
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> hmm.... in application menus, the keyboard shortcut designations aren't translated
[03:00] <vorian> taco bell killed that poor dog a week or so ago
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> a true symbol of the 90s
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> ;__:
[03:18] <nixternal> haha, yo quiero taco bell!!!! \o/ ROFL@!)***~*#@!@# that poor dog died last week :(
[03:20] <vorian> yo nixternal!
[03:21] <maco> vorian: no you're steve. rich is nixternal
[03:21] <vorian> maco: why the hate from OLF?
[03:21] <vorian> they must really hate me or something :P
[03:22] <maco> vorian: nothing personal. we were told to each pick out the 5 "omg must have" beginner and 5-7 "omg must have" intermediate/advanced talks (+a few "um...no." talks) and i get the impression im not the only one who went "5? you want me to pick only 5???"
[03:22] <vorian> ah, well
[03:23] <vorian> it's ok
[03:23] <maco> 4 or 5 people submitted the same thing, so all but one of them were rejected
[03:23] <maco> i think jorge was the one accepted
[03:23] <vorian> 5 talks on Kubuntu!
[03:23] <vorian> that's awesome
[03:23] <maco> it was about how to build a community around your project
[03:23] <vorian> how silly
[03:24] <maco> hehe i dont mean 4 or 5 submitted same as you :P just that there were 4 or 5 people who all somehow ended up on the same wavelength
[03:24] <vorian> I was being a tad sarcastic
[03:24] <maco> oh
[03:25] <maco> text
[03:25] <vorian> :)
[03:25] <vorian> i may be the only person living in ohio that usues Kubuntu
[03:26] <vorian> I have a feeling that will change starting in October
[03:26] <maco> you were the only kubuntu proposal
[03:26] <vorian> I figured it was a long shot :)
[03:26] <maco> ...wait what the heck in the beginner list was more interesting than you?
[03:27] <vorian> it's really ok maco, i'm moving next friday
[03:27] <maco> well im pretty sure i voted for you
[03:28]  * vorian hugs maco 
[03:28] <vorian> are you doing a talk this year?
[03:28] <maco> yes i did vote for you. and yes i am.
[03:28] <vorian> coolio
[03:29] <maco> dan was waitlisted
[03:29] <vorian> what!
[03:30] <vorian> that's crazy
[03:30] <maco> his was on how to be a good/useful beta tester
[03:31] <vorian> that's a great topic
[03:31] <maco> and his cat just bit me
[03:31] <vorian> ouch
[03:32] <maco> she didnt bite hard. it was a warning bite
[03:32] <maco> "stop petting RIGHT THIS INSTANT...OR ELSE"
[03:32] <dtchen> it was quite a bit more specific than "how to be a good/useful beta tester"
[03:32] <maco> i know but i didnt want to paste 6 lines of proposal into the channel
[03:32] <dtchen> that's ok. it's olf's loss ;-)
[03:33] <maco> if youre offered the friday thing will you take it?
[03:33] <dtchen> fwiw, if i speak, i will be covering kubuntu use cases specifically
[03:33] <dtchen> (though not exclusively)
[03:33] <dtchen> uh, no. i'm in charge of the hackathon.
[03:35] <vorian> yay
[03:36] <maco> oh
[03:36] <maco> forgot that
[03:36] <maco> hey vorian youre still coming right?
[03:36] <vorian> i've noticed dtchen has yet to sign my key
[03:36] <maco> and nixternal?
[03:36] <maco> vorian: he hasnt signed MY key yet
[03:36] <vorian> maco: i'll be living in Idaho
[03:36] <nixternal> I don't sign keys, I eat them!
[03:36] <vorian> wow
[03:36] <maco> vorian: eek
[03:36] <nixternal> Idapimp
[03:37] <vorian> I da pimp
[03:37] <vorian> yeah, i'm pumped!
[03:37] <maco> ok then... hey nixternal
[03:37] <nixternal> no, you said "Idaho"
[03:37] <maco> nixternal: what dan said about hackathon...
[03:37] <nixternal> sounds like a bad jerry lewis dream
[03:37] <vorian> nixternal: mind if I use you as a referral?  (new resume and all)
[03:37] <nixternal> go for it!
[03:37] <vorian> schweet, thanks
[03:37] <maco> we want the hackathon to not be "The AFS Hackathon" instead be "The Hackathon" and then people all in one room at a bunch of tables hacking on their respective projects. wanna put Kubuntu as one of the projects?
[03:37] <nixternal> I will tell them all about what you do to sheep!
[03:38] <vorian> :o
[03:38] <dtchen> nixternal: what you don't know is that you're starring!
[03:38] <nixternal> not at OLF, I probably won't be going, 99.9% sure I won't be going
[03:38] <maco> doh
[03:39] <maco> 'm i gonna be the only kubuntu user?
[03:39] <nixternal> maybe I should say 95% sure
[03:39] <dtchen> uh,, no?
[03:39] <maco> dtchen: oh duh. youll be there :P
[03:40] <vorian> just wait until OLF 2010, most people will be using Kubuntu
[03:40] <vorian> or More than 3
[03:41] <dtchen> well, once Kubuntu Netbook is released, i think there will be considerably expanded recognition
[03:42] <vorian> yes - and once 10.04 comes out - people will be flocking to a non-gnome alternative :)
[03:42] <dtchen> JontheEchidna: so, have you considered daily builds of networkmanagement?
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> I don't have the script-fu necessary to automate things like that :(
[03:44] <dtchen> JontheEchidna: talk to fta, who does the black magic for all the mozilla stuff.
[03:44] <dtchen> if it were git, it'd be considerably easier, since you could snarf apw's kernel scripts
[03:45] <dtchen> speaking of which, maybe you can just look at those: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/buildscripts.git;a=summary
[03:46] <dtchen> it's likely not all that useful without major modification, but you can at least get some idea
[03:46] <dtchen> barring that, i have some _extremely_ hacky junk that i use at work that i can pass you
[03:46] <dtchen> it's really the last resort, however
[03:59] <vorian> JontheEchidna: got time to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scantailor ?
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> vorian: sure
[03:59] <vorian> awesome
[03:59]  * vorian is reviewing too
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> whoa, apparently I dl'd the old revu package before, but I don't ever recall doign that
[04:05] <vorian> ha
[04:05] <vorian> it was rejected via queue admin
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> by our very on Jonathan who is not me (tm)
[04:08] <vorian> ah!
[04:10] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i'm having him bump boost to 1.38
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> getting a bit late, but the packaging looks sound fwiw. Other than that boost thing I'd upload if it builds
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> I guess I'll do the second revu tomorrow unless it's been done already
[07:14] <micmord> A silly question. In my old karmic installation i got phon as audio backend. I reinstalled from karmic-alpha3 cd and now I have pulseaudio instead of phonon. What is the default kubuntu audio backend?
[07:15] <micmord> s/phon/phonon/
[07:33] <jussi01> Curious to know if this is a bug, but with the new knetwork manager, when Im connected to ethernet, it shows a disconnected cord... is that correct? (it is connected though)
[07:40] <micmord> jussi01: bug 404309 ?
[07:40] <jussi01> micmord: ahh, thanks :D
[08:35] <micmord> At all konversation users - I got this: bug 410164
[08:35] <micmord> ops: bug 410163
[08:39] <apachelogger> I was wondering ... to alternate synaptics touchpad settings one needs to enable SHM, however, would that work just as well without SHM but sudo?
[08:39] <apachelogger> if so, wouldn't it be desirable to use policykit?
[08:41] <apachelogger> micmord: is that $HOME pre-defined?
[08:42] <apachelogger> if so, it probably should be changed to not be pre-defined, other than that I do not see why $HOME should expand considering that konvi assumes the path is always in $HOME
[08:44] <micmord> apachelogger: I think so
[08:45] <apachelogger> that is not very convincing ;-)
[08:45] <micmord> apachelogger: i got that problem also with konvertation alpha4
[08:46] <apachelogger> yep yep
[08:47] <micmord> starting the 6 august... maybe kde 4.3
[08:53] <apachelogger> okay
[08:54] <apachelogger> src/viewer/chatwindow.cpp ChatWindow::cdIntoLogPath
[08:55] <apachelogger> cds into $HOME
[08:55] <apachelogger> then adds the configured file path and tries to cd/create that new path
[08:56] <micmord> apachelogger: I have $HOME/.kde/... in three pc, so I am sure i didn't change the default path
[08:56] <apachelogger> but then there is ... ./src/config/konversation.kcfg:      <default code="true">QDir::homePath()+"/logs"</default>
[08:57] <apachelogger> the thing is... that does not fit our settings ;-)
[08:57] <apachelogger> since konvi on karmic goes to $HOME/.kde.... while upstream would be $HOME/logs/
[09:01] <apachelogger> micmord: I recommend you talk to someone in #konversation
[09:01] <apachelogger> or wait for JontheEchidna to show up
[09:01] <apachelogger> I find that issue quite strange
[09:02] <micmord> apachelogger: copy that
[09:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: bug 404839 uploaded
[09:14] <Riddell> neversfelde: debdiffs are generally better than uploading the .diff.gz
[09:16] <davmor2> Riddell: I want to file a bug again folderview and ublog but I can't find a package name what are they under please.
[09:20] <apachelogger> davmor2: folderview is kdebase
[09:20] <davmor2> apachelogger: is ublog the same?
[09:20] <apachelogger> nah
[09:21] <apachelogger> kdeplasma-addons
[09:21] <davmor2> apachelogger: ta :)
[09:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: for mime to work in firefox libgnomevfs is needed it appears
[09:28] <apachelogger> we can't pipe printing through the qt print dialog since there is no binary that could be called like kdeprint
[09:29] <apachelogger> huh, the font size is ridiculously big here :D
[09:30] <davmor2> apachelogger: do you think I need to write a separate bug for ublog or is it okay to keep the 2 appa that disappear lumped together bug 410179
[09:31] <apachelogger> davmor2: make it affect kdeplasma-addons
[09:31] <apachelogger> the thing is... since both are affected it might very well be unrelated to the widgets themselfs but a bug in the plasma lib
[09:32] <apachelogger> but since both are patched by us (I think), it might also be a patch problem
[09:33] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, thank you. Will upload them in future
[09:35] <davmor2> don't know what happen then
[09:36] <davmor2> apachelogger: sorry you were say it might be lib plasma
[09:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: shall I upload plasma-netbook?
[09:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: if the packaging is fine :)
[09:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, kontrolpack's binaries in karmic are waiting in new *hint* *hint* :)
[09:47] <Riddell> are they now, if only it was my archive day I'd approve them.  of course I can always be bribed with hugs
[09:49] <Riddell> "Description: blah"  that may need expanding :)
[09:49] <apachelogger> hugs? hmmm....
[09:49]  * apachelogger cuddles the Riddell
[09:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I knew there was something about the packaging that needed a second opinion ;-)
[09:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: about that arora-bookmarks patch: I think we should hide the toolbar by default... I am probably not much of an example to go by, but I got quite disturbed by the fact that unused space between menu and toolbar was bigger than between toolbar and tabs
[09:54] <apachelogger> whereas the latter would be the emptied bookmarks bar
[09:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: why does choqok have a LTR RTL setting?
[09:57]  * apachelogger would think that this stuff is done via the desktop settings
[10:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: what is a LTR RTL setting?
[10:01] <apachelogger> well, text direction
[10:01] <apachelogger> left to right or right to left
[10:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: uptream is persian
[10:02] <apachelogger> so?
[10:02] <neversfelde> seems to be important for him
[10:02] <apachelogger> still the setting is probably somewhere to be found in the KDE-wide settings stuff
[10:02] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[10:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I agree on toolbar hiding
[10:03] <apachelogger> maybe ... like when you have an account for english postings and one for persian or something, so you can get it viewed properly
[10:03] <apachelogger> neversfelde: if that is the reason I think the setting should not be shown in the dialog for initial account setup
[10:03] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I guess he has an egnlish system and some apps where he writes farsi instead of english are ready for writing right to left
[10:03] <apachelogger> it is a rather limited usecase, since most people only use native anyway\
[10:04] <apachelogger> neversfelde: well, I am not generally saying the feature should go, I just think it is too visible upon first start
[10:04] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I will talk to him about that. Anyway 0.6.5 is ready to release afaik, so it is not urgent
[10:04] <apachelogger> and you know how it is, the more stuff you ask the user the less likely he will finish the initial setup ;-)
[10:05] <neversfelde> and I am on the road for the next 2 and a half week :)
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: how about this: fill the toobar with Kubuntu/Ubuntu/KDE content but hide it, so if someone chooses to activate it, they will still get a good amount of branding and direction towards system information
[10:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: so who is going to do the package update? :P
[10:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not terribly keen on default bookmarks, most of our users shouldn't have their lives orientated around their operating system, but if you think of useful bookmarks that's should be ok
[10:08] <Riddell> ninjas: new KOffice if anyone wants to take it
[10:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I have send some changes to bzr, yet. Probably I can complete it when I arrive at my parents house and I can find a computer without windows :)
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: Well, either we fill it with branding content or useful content
[10:11] <apachelogger> i.e. the beloved socialnetwork stuff
[10:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde: bzr also works on windows :P
[10:11] <neversfelde> apachelogger: really? haha, I guess I will need one week to find out how to install
[10:12] <apachelogger> actually there is an installer thingy and integration like for svn
[10:12] <apachelogger> if you ever used svn on windows ;)
[10:12] <neversfelde> nope
[10:13] <apachelogger> well, ask the google, it probably got screenies
[10:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: or just leave it empty?
[10:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde: basically it will integrate in explorer and provide a tray icon (i think)
[10:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, at least one item would be appropriate
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: otherwise the bar is, well, kind of invisible even if the hide setting is unset
[10:15] <apachelogger> so I'd at least add kubuntu.org
[10:16] <Riddell> I don't see what's wrong with it being invisible, it's perfectly easy to find when you're adding bookmarks
[10:16] <apachelogger> well, it _might_ be confusing
[10:17] <apachelogger> really, I never got the point of bookmarks anyway, much less of a bar just to display them
[10:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds like you're just the sort of person who wants to leave it empty :)
[10:18] <apachelogger> I would remove it completely
[10:19] <apachelogger> just wastes my poor memory :P
[10:25] <apachelogger> hm, you know, I find it incredibly funny that ruby1.8 got performance issues due to tcltk crap, but still batpull feels faster than pull-lp-source :P
[10:49] <davmor2> guys I just saw that there were some updates for today (nice little notification) I clicked on select all updates and apply shouldn't it ask for the admin password at that point?
[10:53] <Riddell> agateau: pingping
[11:09]  * apachelogger slips of chair
[11:22] <Riddell> Riddelll: ping
[11:23] <Riddell> Riddelll: ping
[11:23] <Riddell> Riddelll: ping ping
[11:24] <Riddell> Riddelll: ooh
[11:24] <davmor2> Riddell: Have you gone test crazy on two systems by any chance?
[11:26] <Riddelll> davmor2: message indicator is working
[11:26] <Riddelll> agateau is rocking
[11:26] <davmor2> Riddelll: Oh now it all make sense :)
[11:27] <Riddelll> davmor2: ping me baby
[11:27] <davmor2> Riddelll: ping
[11:28] <davmor2> Riddelll: it's saddly worrying that your getting so excited about this ;)
[11:46] <apachelogger> patchy patchy patch patch
[11:58] <Riddell> agateau: bug 410228
[11:59] <agateau> Riddell: yeah!
[12:00] <Riddell> agateau: now we just have to poke someone into doing the MIR
[12:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, should I add an entry to the bookmarkstoolbar?
[12:01] <apachelogger> already made it hidden by default
[12:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: I vote for hidden and empty
[12:01] <apachelogger> k
[12:01]  * apachelogger uploads
[12:03] <ghostcube> ok, i dont get my systemsettings bug fixed i just copied an sh script to kde autostart
[12:03] <ghostcube> oO
[12:04] <ghostcube> hi peoples
[12:05] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[12:05]  * agateau assumes MIR stands for "Main Inclusion Request" or something like this
[12:05] <Riddell> yes
[12:05] <Riddell> or Review
[12:06] <Riddell> asac and lool can do them
[12:06] <apachelogger> !MIR
[12:06] <apachelogger> or report :P
[12:06] <Riddell> I note asac just left the room
[12:06] <agateau> apachelogger: nice, my guess was not too far
[12:15] <asac> Riddell: i am still here ;)
[12:15] <asac> oh you mean this romm her ;)
[12:15] <asac> hehe
[12:15] <asac> ok
[12:20] <micmord> apachelogger: about OO.org icons. With default openoffice.org-style-human i don't see any icons. After installing openoffice.org-style-crystal they appear.
[12:21] <apachelogger> eh?
[12:22] <micmord> apachelogger: with fresh kubuntu-alpha3 installation, I haven't any icons on oo.org
[12:22] <apachelogger> sound like fun
[12:22] <apachelogger> ooo should die anyway :P
[12:22] <micmord> taht's true
[12:22] <ghostcube> oo is die hygiene fürs ....
[12:22] <ghostcube> hehe
[12:23] <apachelogger> well
[12:23] <apachelogger> micmord: I suppose we are waiting for oxygen to arrive
[12:23] <Riddell> micmord: that's known, we're waiting on the new release for kde 4 integration
[12:23] <micmord> \o/
[12:24] <ghostcube> btw Riddell thx for the mainline link i installed 2.6.30.4 but sensors still doesnt work lol
[12:24] <ghostcube> only thing i needed was an newer nvidia glx and i need my lan drivers
[12:25] <apachelogger> can one create and install a nilfs partition using the live-cd?
[12:32] <micmord> Here the bug 390355
[12:33] <ghostcube> but one thing i dont get why is the atl1 chipset for the asus-p5q-pro maiboard ethernet adapter not in the mainline kernels
[12:42] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hi! If you still care, you could adapt beta6 to kubuntu (unless it was kicked out of the archive while I wasn't looking)...
[12:47] <ghostcube> is there an irc channel for the mainline kernels
[12:47] <ghostcube> oO
[12:55] <dpm> JontheEchidna: thanks a lot for locating all those untranslated strings! Just one thing: it's better to file them against the kubuntu source package (and perhaps mentioning the kde module) rather than against the language-pack-kde-xx package, since there are lots of them. Usually I think it might be best to assign only l10n bugs to the language-pack-kde-xx package (or more critical i18n bugs affecting a particular language)
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: sure
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> dpm: the thing about that Open Terminal string in dolphin, it is properly l10n'd. Maybe it's a rosetta bug?
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> action->setText(i18nc("@action:inmenu Tools", "Open &Terminal"));
[13:19] <ryanakca> Can someone take care of bug 410257 please?
[13:20] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Thanks!
[13:20] <mornfall> See ya.
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: acking
[13:32] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: thanks
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> bug 410273
[13:58]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna in the eye
[13:58] <apachelogger> see my earlier monologue about the $HOME issue in konvi
[13:59] <apachelogger> patching is not indicated at all
[13:59] <apachelogger> just make the defaults fit the new code
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> aah, ok
[14:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need to give kubuntu-bugs some more appeal
[14:17] <ryanakca> Does anybody have the time / interest in helping me figure out why http://packages.debian.org/sid/frescobaldi builds in jaunty but not karmic?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: mind sponsoring k-d-s bzr?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> oh, but first I should test the fix
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> brb
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yay, it works
[14:30] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:30] <apachelogger> shm hates me
[14:42] <maco> apachelogger: why are you using shm?
[14:43] <maco> didnt i see something recently about current -synaptics not having it?
[14:45] <sebas> Riddell: have you patched kickoff to change the names of suspend and hibernate actions?
[14:45] <sebas> I'm noticiing (after someone emails me) that it's different between my kubuntu and my trunk install
[14:46] <sebas> If so, is that planned for ksmserver as well?
[14:46] <sebas> And could you pass that upstream, I'd be in favor of merging it, if I didn't miss anything crucial
[14:51] <Riddell> sebas: yes I patched something, I think it was kickoff and powerdevil which I thought I'd put upstream, I may well have missed ksmserver though
[14:52] <sebas> Riddell: ksmserver seems to be inconsistent with kickoff and powerdevil/plasma in kubuntu
[14:52] <sebas> kickoff is different from upstream at least
[14:52] <allee-m> sebas: about susp. and hiber.:   With alt-ctrl-del can access susp and hiber only as submenues of shutdown'.  Will this (should I) fix it?
[14:52] <sebas> If you have that patch handy ... :)
[14:53] <sebas> allee-m: hmm, dunno ... it would make sense to have a "default switch computer off action" IMO
[14:53] <sebas> So you go "off means always suspend"
[14:53] <sebas> So the main button in ksmserver should IMO reflect that
[14:54] <sebas> Who maintains ksmserver? Is that ossi?
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> Either ossi or seli
[15:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nm plasmoid in experimental had the same problem for me as the other day, it doesn't do anything with wireless
[15:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: but also, cry https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/network-manager/0.8~a~git.20090804t185522.4bab334-0ubuntu1
[15:12] <Riddell> so it'll be entirely broken now anyway
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> we are sooo royally screwed
[15:12] <Riddell> mm hmm
[15:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok if I upload kdebase-workspace?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> If they feel like shoving experimental crap like that down our throats then at the least they should make a Solid backend for 0.8, or revert the new version.
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: if it builds :)
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> because I can't imagine that KDE'll want to make a 0.8 backend anytime soon
[15:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is the fuzz about?
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nm team uploaded NM 0.8, we are screwed
[15:17] <Riddell> their argument is that 0.7 is abandoned upstream
[15:18] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: _if_ gnome would use the new systray protocol, then AFAIU KDE would have to do nothing ;)
[15:18] <apachelogger> hm
[15:18] <apachelogger> you know
[15:18] <apachelogger> I am sick of it
[15:19] <apachelogger> I have a feeling that some kubuntu dev will go wild and revert back to 0.7
[15:19]  * JontheEchidna doesn't see what systrays have to do with it
[15:19]  * JontheEchidna would be in support of a revert
[15:19] <Riddell> not that the 0.7 version worked very well anyway
[15:20] <apachelogger> better than not working at all
[15:20] <apachelogger> not working will be super useless once beta goes out
[15:20] <apachelogger> I am wondering what sebas thinks we should do
[15:21] <apachelogger> maybe bitching, moaning and switching to mandriva is the ultimate solution
[15:21] <Riddell> he thinks we should use nm-applet
[15:22] <Riddell> and currently I think it's the only option, although it goes against everything Kubuntu is for
[15:22] <apachelogger> well
[15:22] <apachelogger> screw that
[15:22] <apachelogger> what is kubuntu worth if it doesnt work
[15:22] <apachelogger> just my opinion
[15:23] <Riddell> mind that this isn't a kubuntu problem, it's a KDE problem, we can only do what KDE offers
[15:23] <sebas> apachelogger: I haven't looked at NM 0.8 at all
[15:24] <sebas> Will said, I think "I'll wait until release, they're not even feature frozen atm"
[15:24] <yuriy> uhoh
[15:24] <apachelogger> well, from my point of view upstream nor kubuntu should be using nm to begin with
[15:24] <apachelogger> one way or another we will always be one step behind nm-applet
[15:24] <sebas> Why not?
[15:25] <apachelogger> and I don't see how that is changing any time soon
[15:25] <sebas> Well, the UI bits we have now don't depend on NM anyway
[15:25] <sebas> The NM specific part is a kded module that offers a dbus interface
[15:25] <sebas> the UI uses a client lib to interact with that, the kded module is interchangeable (wicd, NM, connman at some point)
[15:25] <apachelogger> yeah, a step in the right direction really
[15:26] <sebas> Indeed, it's got two advantages: NM internals are really complex, we want to hide that
[15:26] <sebas> and we don't depend on NM itself
[15:26] <yuriy> sebas: maybe Will can take a look at 0.8 and give us an idea of how much work it would be to port?
[15:27] <sebas> yuriy: if it's not feature-frozen, it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO
[15:27] <sebas> if nm0.8 scheduled for karmic?
[15:27] <sebas> and replacing nm 0.7?
[15:27] <apachelogger> sebas: a git snapshot currently _is_ in karmic
[15:27] <sebas> ah, wow.
[15:27] <sebas> That's ... not exactly handy
[15:28] <apachelogger> :/
[15:29] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: do you plan to work again on bug 389744 anytime soon?   I ponder if I give aseigos suggestion a try ...
[15:29] <Riddell> guys: I chatted to ubuntu nm folks and they're saying they will look at it
[15:31] <allee-k> kubntu ninjas: is there a command like apt-get source that  download source + bzr co lp: instead of diff.gz ?
[15:31] <Riddell> also suse will be switching to 0.8 so knetworkmanager should switch too
[15:31] <apachelogger> allee-k: gypsy form kde-dev-tools
[15:32] <Riddell> allee-k: most packages now have bzr imports in launchpad actually
[15:32] <apachelogger> though, I think gypsy is missing some branch locations :P
[15:32] <Riddell> bzr co lp:ubuntu/<package>
[15:33] <allee-k> Riddell, apachelogger:  ahh, so much changed in the last year to the better (beside nm ;)  thx
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> allee-k: feel free to take over, I've not had time
[15:43] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: ok.  In case I'm manage to enhance the patch  I'll reassign
[15:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: What needs to be done for the settings for the two plasmoids under "Social from the Start" on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic ?
[15:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: microblog is fine I think, opendesktop needs code changes to make it not try to connect before it has an account but to show the "users near me" without an account
[15:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[15:50] <Riddell> also to work out why it doesn't respect its minimum size
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could I trouble you with bug 410273?
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> huh, wonder why requestsync let me confirm that/subscribe the archive admins, I'm no core-dev
[15:52] <jjesse> maybe you just got promoted :)
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> haha, yeah
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> that'd be funny
[15:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: what package is it in?
[15:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: kdeplasma-addons
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: for some reason the installer needed >1 minute to switch from timezone to keyboard
[16:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: also he new UI is somewhat sluggish on my dell mini
[16:30] <nixternal> Riddell: feel like re-enabling my Kubuntu Membership? seems to have expired last month without letting me know
[16:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK. At the moment, it shows the "Users near me" without an account, the only difference is that is is slightly grayed and there's a "Configure" button over top of it, but clicking / etc. Maybe modify k-d-s to have it display the "Users near me" by default?
[16:31] <Riddell> nixternal: you usually get four days notice, if you're not paying attention then you get kicked out
[16:31] <Riddell> what do we think, should we let nixternal back in?
[16:31] <nixternal> hah, but I do pay attention
[16:32] <jjesse> hrmm he will have to buy me dinner
[16:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: does it actually show any nearby users?
[16:32] <nixternal> I am broke
[16:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[16:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can try it in a VM, but after deleting my account from the applet, in still does
[16:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: it wasn't doing that for me until after I configured a user account
[16:32] <Riddell> ok good
[16:33] <Riddell> nixternal: you're back in!
[16:34] <nixternal> thank you sir :)
[16:35] <Riddell> anyone on jaunty with 4.3?
[16:35] <nixternal> ahh, I see why I didn't get it...seems LP messages are going to the trash bin
[16:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[16:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: now try it with an updated system and killall plasma-desktop; rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*; plasma-desktop
[16:45] <nixternal> hrmm, I am still not getting any of my KDE mailing list emails
[16:45] <nixternal> my kde.org email addy is working, and I have gone through and tried to wake up the mailing lists to me without any luck
[16:46] <nixternal> sebas: you know of anything going on that may be causing this ^^ you should be getting an email from me since you are in some of the -owner addresses :)
[16:47] <sebas> nixternal: dunno, maybe you're on vacation globally?
[16:47] <nixternal> I disabled globally and then re-enabled globally to see if that was it and it wasn'
[16:47] <nixternal> I never set it to disabled/vacation globally
[16:47] <sebas> Hm, then I don't know
[16:47] <sebas> ask one of the sysadmins
[16:47] <nixternal> WHAT? I can't believe that dude, you know everything KDE :)
[16:48] <sebas> yeah, but I'm too lazy to help you ;-)
[16:48] <nixternal> ooh nice, Camp KDE 2010 in La Jolla!!! See you there!
[16:48] <nixternal> stupid bot
[16:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: did rgreening look at your plasma facebook package?
[16:49]  * nixternal loves San Dog and La Jolla
[16:49] <sebas> nixternal: yeah, it should be "KDE bug 2010 could not be found *yet*"
[16:50] <nixternal> sebas: we will have to go to Pacific Beach Bar and Grill.... Pacific Beach, Mission Beach, and La Jolla Beach, in that order as the best beaches out there :)
[16:50] <nixternal> and we can go to Lego Land :)
[16:51] <sebas> How about "we can hack"? :)
[16:51] <nixternal> we can do that too of course
[16:51] <sebas> yeah, if the weather turns out to be bad (riiiiiiiiiiiiight)
[16:51] <nixternal> err, ya january, so no ocean for sure there, but it is still a blast out there
[16:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes... I'm still not much further off that I was though.
[16:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: further off what?
[16:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: It builds / what not fine, I can import the plasma applet from python, but Plasma complains that it can't find the python package.
[16:56] <apachelogger> ewww
[16:56] <apachelogger> today's netbook image is in to too good state
[16:56] <apachelogger> plasma-desktop didn't wanna start and now kdeinit4 crashed without me doing anything at all
[16:57] <apachelogger> s/to/not
[16:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: meh, it shouldn't be any different than the desktop
[16:59] <apachelogger> so the desktop got those problems too? :P
[17:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that I know of
[17:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: It must be because I still had my credentials hidden away in some config file. I don't think it's possible to display "Users near me" since it processess the page https://api.opendesktop.org/v1/person/data?latitude=44&longitude=-76&distance=5&page=0&pagesize=64 (insert your lat/long), which requires you to log in to view...
[17:04] <ryanakca> (the openDesktop plugin that is)
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> ^in that case it might be just better to not include the openDesktop widget at all, since the default desktop does seem a bit cramped on smaller screens
[17:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm, fooey
[17:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah maybe
[17:07] <Riddell> let's remove it for now and I'll e-mail Frank suggesting he make that not need configuration
[17:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: the spec http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-services strongly recommends authentication, "most services require a authenticated user. this is important for legal reasons. and to prevent DOS attacks. At the moment we support autentification via login/password or an API key."
[17:08]  * ryanakca wishes people would learn to capitalize
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: very weird
[17:10] <apachelogger> anyway
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do about blocked updates?
[17:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does the software sources dialog instantly apply changes? that is rather un-kdeish, isn't it?
[17:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm right, that means a fail for my "do something interesting without config" plan
[17:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: blocked updates?  in kpackagekit?
[17:12] <apachelogger> yep
[17:12] <apachelogger> bug 342671
[17:13] <maco> so it cant do full-upgrade?
[17:13] <apachelogger> it's like apt-get only supported upgrade but not dist-upgrade
[17:14] <maco> ok so i used aptitude phrasing :P
[17:14] <Riddell> poke glatzor?
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the software sources tool is pretty much a straight-up port of the PyGTK one. It'd be nice to see that rewritten as a KCM
[17:14] <glatzor> Riddell, hello.
[17:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: Bummer
[17:15] <Riddell> glatzor: packagekit and dist-upgrade vs upgrade, what's the status again?
[17:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: more importantly get an apply button :P
[17:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: how does this work for you?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-facebook
[17:17] <glatzor> Riddell, in the end it is a policy decision.
[17:17] <glatzor> I was quite busy working on aptdaemon the last weeks. But I plan to donate some time to packagekit the next week.
[17:18] <glatzor> Riddell, will we see kde/qt policykit-1 support in karmic?
[17:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: checking :)
[17:18] <Riddell> glatzor: I've never seen a point in apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade seems to do what actually wants to be done
[17:18] <Riddell> glatzor: I've not heard anything about policykit-1, want me to ask the policykit-qt authors?
[17:19] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/003223.html
[17:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose asking is necessary
[17:20] <apachelogger> hm, I don't like how the kpackagekit's installing dialog constantly switches size
[17:20] <glatzor> Riddell, I will discuss the dist upgrade issue with dantti.
[17:21]  * apachelogger pokes the hide button :P
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should drop the quickaccess plasmoid from the netbook setup to increase taskbar space
[17:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: "This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: facebook"
[17:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: Actually, that's probably because plasmoidviewer can't find the applet. It doesn't appear in the "Add widget..." window either...
[17:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: well we're changing it to plasma-netbook
[17:24] <apachelogger> that is premature IMHO
[17:24] <Riddell> why?  there's no point in just having a clone of the normal Kubuntu CD
[17:24] <apachelogger> if, at all, they should be both installed, both polished,
[17:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is also no point in deploying broken software
[17:25] <allee-k> Riddell: Is there an overview/searchform what is available as lp:ubuntu/<srcpkg>.  kdebase(-workspace), digikam all fail  :(
[17:26] <apachelogger> if the netbook shell should, for whatever reason, not be ready for primetime by karmic release we have to have a fallback that is as suited for the usecase as possible
[17:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package>  and click on code
[17:27] <Riddell> allee-k: rather ^^
[17:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: then there's no point in releasing a netbook image at all, people can just use the normal CD image
[17:27] <Riddell> allee-k: only about half the packages are imported so far
[17:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: just that they won't get the apps and settings
[17:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: what apps?
[17:30] <apachelogger> those that have not be added yet
[17:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: if we go with either plasma-netbook or no release, then we won't get the additional buzz
[17:32] <Riddell> there's no buzz to be had from something that's no different from the desktop CD
[17:33] <apachelogger> a) it is different b) you will even get buzz if you tell people that Kubuntu now supports more than one CPU core for various apps
[17:34] <maco> Riddell: the default settings and apps are different
[17:35] <apachelogger> we need to start somewhere, and I rather have people test an image that is pretty similar to the desktop image, so they at least report hardware issues, than do no release
[17:36] <sebas> nixternal: an email to sysadmin@ would've been fine :D
[17:36] <ryanakca> What's our $KDEDIR ?
[17:36] <apachelogger> it shows that kubuntu is dedicated to creating a good netbook image, and eventually will get contributors on board
[17:37] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I don't think we set that
[17:38] <apachelogger> but if we did it was /usr
[17:38] <apachelogger> I suppose at least ;-)
[17:39] <ryanakca> apachelogger: *nod*...
[17:41] <ryanakca> The facebook applet is simple enough that imho, it might be quicker / easier just to rewrite it in C++ than keep stabbing in the dark and trying to figure out where the python plasmoids should go for a system install...
[17:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: more than one CPU core?
[17:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: multiprocessor threading
[17:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does it support that?
[17:45] <apachelogger> via the kernel
[17:46] <Riddell> the kernel is the same surely
[17:46] <apachelogger> well, my point is that people usually wanna try new/fancy stuff and be it only for the sake of proofing it old/unfancy
[17:47] <apachelogger> so there will be buzz, unless we don't manage to bring the word of greatness and fancyness out to the world
[17:48] <apachelogger> so in case the netbook shell is not stable enough for karmic, we should release with plasma-desktop, but make it clear that we are dedicated to ship karmic+1 with a lot more improved shell ... blah blah [insert promo talk]
[17:49] <apachelogger> eventually that way the netbook image of karmic+1 will receive even more attention from the more advanced users, since they might wanna know what progress we made etc.
[17:52] <Riddell> I don't see what the new/fancy stuff is, as far as I can see the main feature is the new plasma-netbook UI
[17:54] <apachelogger> there doesn't need to be any, the font size is more suited for netbooking and ScottK and I agree that we probably should be shipping Arora or Firefox, since the netbook is not affected by upgrade scenarios (and thus migration) and got an even greater usecase for a working browser
[17:54] <apachelogger> also it got more lang packs according to ScottK
[17:56] <Riddell> doesn't sound terribly compelling, plus this is alpha time it's ok to ship alpha quality software
[17:56] <apachelogger> yeah, I am all for getting plasma-netbook in and default
[17:57] <apachelogger> but we need to make sure that plasma-desktop is also suited, so it can jump in as fallback if necessary
[18:00] <_Sime> sebas: you there?
[18:00] <_Sime> sebas: ping
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: so can I add plasma-netbook to the seed?  pweese?
[18:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, what I meant to state in my original statement is to keep plasma-desktop on as well
[18:08] <apachelogger> next step would be to add a switcher plasmoid to both of them, so both can be tested on the fly
[18:15] <nixternal> sebas: phil rodriguez figured it out :)  rjohnson@kde.org -> nixternal@ubuntu.com which is bouncing it :)
[18:15]  * nixternal has to fix that now
[18:16]  * apachelogger should also get an kde.org addy :P
[18:17] <nixternal> don't forward it to @ubuntu.com :p
[18:18] <apachelogger> would never do :P
[18:26] <ryanakca> Does anybody have the time / interest in helping me figure out why http://packages.debian.org/sid/frescobaldi builds in jaunty but not karmic?
[18:27] <apachelogger> got a logged build?
[18:33] <ryanakca> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249345/ ... I've compared the versions to those on packages.ubuntu.com, they all should work...
[18:35] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Nevermind. It's a local issue. I must have messed something up when creating my chroot, my karmic chroot is hardy...
[18:36] <apachelogger> fancy
[18:38] <glatzor> Riddell, I changed upgrade to dist-upgrade
[18:38] <glatzor> Riddell, only packages kept back by dist-upgrade will be shown as blocked
[18:39] <glatzor> Riddell, there is currently now way to show an available update and suggest to not install it
[19:11] <ryanakca> Can someone ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/410400 please?
[19:12] <ghostcube> cool new kernel and new nvidia drivers :)
[19:12] <ghostcube> hmm is 2.6.31rc5 ok to test
[19:13] <ghostcube> yeah
[19:13] <ghostcube> asus-p5q-pro
[19:13] <ghostcube> works now with sensors
[19:13] <ghostcube> oo
[19:13] <ghostcube> hehe
[19:13] <ghostcube> sudo modprobe w83627ehf
[19:14] <ghostcube> very cool
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ping
[19:42] <seele> argh.. cannot recover my opendesktop.org password
[19:44] <markey> hey all
[19:44]  * seele waves
[19:44] <markey> having some issues with installing kde-devel on karmic
[19:44] <markey> http://pastebin.com/m43140fbf
[19:44] <markey> any ideas? :)
[19:56] <apachelogger> funny
[19:57] <apachelogger> hum hum
[19:57] <slacker_nl> what is funny?
[19:58] <apachelogger> how broken packages can get from merging :P
[19:58] <slacker_nl> haha
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde had a fix for that iirc
[19:58]  * apachelogger uploads fix :P
[20:00] <apachelogger> markey: fix should be arriving soonish
[20:00] <markey> you're the best *smooooch*
[20:00] <markey> :>
[20:00] <apachelogger> *blush*
[20:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have to remove the kde-core binary manually or will some archive cleaning script do that? ... was renamed to kde-minimal months ago
[21:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: it'll show up in NBS, but a removal bug with ubuntu-archive subscribed wouldn't hurt
[21:04] <apachelogger> kthx
[21:04] <sebas> Is karmic shipped with some snapshot of the NM plasmoid?
[21:05] <sebas> I'm seeing quite some crash reports...
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> sebas: currently it's using the new KNM
[21:05] <sebas> Ah, good
[21:05] <Riddell> also bug reports use apport so go to us
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> the plasmoid is the nice picture of the cellphone at the moment
[21:05] <sebas> I still can't care about all those crash reports, just seeing that our good bugsquad has tons of work with it
[21:06] <sebas> Apparently not all
[21:06] <sebas> Basically, I've no idea what exactly those people are using, I don't care why it crashes (the code has been refactored lately)
[21:07] <sebas> So all those bugreports are useless and cause work :/
[21:07] <Riddell> could be the jaunty one
[21:07] <sebas> Hm, maybe
[21:07] <sebas> That's the deprecated one
[21:07] <sebas> I just wanted to make sure you're not shipping the current one, because I *know* that it's crashy
[21:10] <Riddell> karmic currenly has svn1002781 from Thu, 30 Jul 2009
[21:10] <Riddell> so does Kubuntu backports for jaunty
[21:10] <seele> wow.. my opendesktop.org account is from 2002
[21:10] <seele> that's before i started contributing to kde
[21:10] <sebas> Riddell: Let me check which one that is
[21:10] <sebas> It'd be good if that was removed, because the bugreports are killing time
[21:11] <sebas> I won't support that version also
[21:11] <Riddell> seele: it sucked you in!
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> sebas: that's a KNM snapshot
[21:11] <seele> Riddell: the only comments registered are about a KDE background i made and uploaded, hehe
[21:11] <sebas> Ah, I thought the plasmoid
[21:12] <sebas> KNM should be fine
[21:12] <sebas> seele: make me a friend!
[21:12] <Riddell> I wasn't clear, it's the same package name but now contain s the knetworkmanager binary
[21:12] <sebas> ah
[21:12] <Riddell> seele the artist!
[21:15] <seele> sebas: done
[21:15] <seele> (i think)
[21:15] <sebas> seele: yay :)
[21:16] <Riddell> seele: ooh ooh, me too
[21:16] <seele> hmm.. changed my password but i still can't seem to login to the plasma widget thingy
[21:16]  * sebas notes that a good way to make friends is writing a social desktop plasmoid
[21:16] <sebas> Works for me :)
[21:16] <seele> Riddell: whats your nick? searching for your name didnt work
[21:17] <Riddell> jriddell I think
[21:17]  * Nightrose too
[21:17] <maco> seele: youre not on my friends list, so im guessing searching for yours didnt work for me either
[21:17] <Nightrose> :D
[21:17] <maco> either that or you ignored my friend request
[21:17] <seele> maco: i havent logged into my account since june 2002
[21:18] <seele> the only thing i had was a nick name and an address
[21:18] <maco> oh
[21:18] <seele> i'm lucky i still had access to my college email account.. apparently that is what i used
[21:18] <seele> ok people
[21:18] <maco> so did i
[21:18] <seele> my nick i seele on opendesktop.org
[21:18] <seele> YOU add me
[21:18] <Nightrose> but but but
[21:19] <Nightrose> we're lazy! :D
[21:19] <Riddell> what?  now we have to work for your friendship?
[21:19] <seele> Riddell: omg you know i found your nick but now i think i wont add you
[21:19] <Nightrose> *lol*
[21:20] <Riddell> hey!
[21:21] <maco> searching username seele gets me: seele varcuzzo, Jacques Bourquin, and MS ... which are you?
[21:21] <seele> wow lag
[21:22] <seele> seele varcuzzo.. wonder why it's still using my video game name
[21:22] <seele> i change that to celeste like 20 minutes ago
[21:22] <seele> maybe that's why i can't login to the widget after changing my password
[21:23] <Riddell> left over from a previous marrage? :)
[21:23] <maco> request sent
[21:23] <maco> after i click you it says your name
[21:23] <maco> but the search page shows that varczzo one
[21:25] <seele> no i've not been married before. although funny you should say that
[21:25] <seele> i'm off to vermont in a few hours to witness my little sister's second
[21:27] <seele> argh.. i reset my password, but apparently not
[21:27] <ScottK> neversfelde: Did your backport thing get sorted out while I was gone?
[21:31] <ghostcube> hi :)
[21:31] <ghostcube> apachelogger: http://pastie.org/575965 can you tell me if this is normal :)
[22:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What's the plan for kgraphviewer?
[22:07] <Riddell> ScottK: helio says that compiled for him so it could be our gcc being strict
[22:07] <Riddell> which typically is NCommander's forte
[22:08] <ScottK> OK.  Well it's one of 2 boost1.35 r-build-depends left, so it'd be really nice to see it go.
[22:10] <seele> hmm.. when did i drop?
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> [16:59:02] <-- seele has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
[22:10] <seele> hmm
[22:10] <Riddell> you didn't miss much here
[22:11] <seele> what happened to friday nights being *busy* on irc
[22:11] <seele> ah shit.. server is down
[22:12] <seele> or died
[22:12] <Riddell> too many people with social lives?
[22:12] <seele> social lives.. what's that
[22:13] <seele> they should be working on free software!
[22:13] <ScottK> My impression is that activity on Ubuntu IRC channels is down significantly from a year or two ago pretty much accross the board.
[22:13] <maco> seele: please explain this to the linuxchix!
[22:13] <Riddell> plasma-widget-indicatordisplay is in universe now, you can test it with konversation
[22:13] <seele> maco: dead in there too?
[22:13] <maco> seele: no no the irc is fine. i mean the working on free software part
[22:14] <Riddell> maco: I hear they just talk about cute geek guys in there :)
[22:14] <maco> remember at the meeting ScottK came to, everyone said theyd never considered actually giving back to the projects they use
[22:14] <seele> linux chix who dont want to work on free software?
[22:14] <seele> argh
[22:14] <seele> maco: add this to your list of reasons why i dont like linuxchix :P
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that konvi upload ftbfs
[22:14] <maco> Riddell: not often. that was just in response to Spike's "hottest geek girls" list ...which didnt really have any geeks on it
[22:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: waa
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: cmake didn't find libindicate-qt
[22:16] <maco> seele: the people on irc do contribute, i think... but the people in dc chapter? they all went "you're contributing? but youre so young" (which haha right..umm..im older than a handful of motu) and i said "er...almost 3 years of using, dont wanna just be a leech" and they were like "er..ive been..umm...7 years...never really thought about..."
[22:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you know it you help if I build-deped on the -dev package wouldn't it
[22:17] <maco> haha
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> heh, I guess
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:17] <maco> seele: thats why i wanted to do a "how to contribute" thing with linuxchix instead of the usual "lets eat!"
[22:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought the deal we had with Ayatana was that we'd provide the indicator for non-Kubuntu stuff that used it, but that our default desktop stuff would only use it if a user had optionally enabled it?
[22:19] <maco> that sounds right
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> Looking at the implementation, it looks like the user would not notice any change at all unless they explicitly had the indicator widget thre
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> thre-> there
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> otherwise you get that crappy amarok osd, if you have notifications enabled at all
[22:46] <dajomu> I've read several places that jaunty gives a horrible KDE experience. unstable and not well implemented. Why is that and what is done for the next release to fix that?
[22:47] <seele> dajomu: if you havent actually used it how do you know what you read is true?
[22:47] <dajomu> I've used it :)
[22:48] <bobesponja> hey
[22:48] <bobesponja> I get this error trying to compile a plasmoid http://pastebin.com/m60f33214  even though I have qt libs headers installed and can compile choqok and others
[22:48] <dajomu> seele: are you saying they are lying?
[22:48] <seele> dajomu: then you should have said "I think that jaunty..." not that youve read
[22:48] <bobesponja> how do I tell it where are the qtlibs? I'm not sure where they are in kubuntu
[22:49] <seele> dajomu: i think people are entitled to their own opinion and we've also had excellent reviews written about jaunty
[22:59] <dajomu> seele: thats true. there were some issues that affected me, but maybe not everybody.
[23:06] <Monika|K> Not sure why they say Jaunty gives a bad KDE experience ... the first KDE 4 release that is usable for me. I had a problem with plasma not starting at first, though - this was remedied by upgrading to 4.2.4 from a ppa
[23:08] <Quintasan> GRR
[23:08] <Quintasan> And to think that I was so close
[23:09] <Quintasan> T_T
[23:10] <dajomu> Monika|K: upgrading to 4.2.something gave me a black-screen and I "had to" reinstall
[23:10] <dajomu> several times
[23:10] <ghostcube> hmmm if i pull the plasma network manager applet it want to remove network manager
[23:10] <Monika|K> What was the cause and what was the solution?
[23:10] <ghostcube> whats the difference peoples
[23:11] <Monika|K> Was ist der Unterschied Völker?!
[23:11] <dajomu> I didn't pursue the problem. Installed linuxmint which worked fine
[23:11] <ghostcube> hmm als ich auf 4.3.0 gegangen bin musste ich den .kde moven wollt ich erst nich aber Quintasanhatte recht
[23:12] <ghostcube> so anyone can tell me the difference between the plasma widget and the kde network manager and what i should keep
[23:13] <Monika|K> on the list it was set that the network manager is newer than the widget and more stable (or intended to be)
[23:13] <Monika|K> and everyone was asked to test the stand-alone network manager
[23:13] <Monika|K> s/set/said
[23:13] <Monika|K> or written ;)
[23:16] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/575965
[23:16] <seele> ok.. off to the airport, back in a few hours
[23:16] <ghostcube> see what i mean
[23:16] <ghostcube> :)
[23:17] <ghostcube> is there anything that gets not redone if you move .kde to .kde-old and make a new login
[23:18] <ghostcube> i need to copy over ?
[23:18] <Monika|K> keep network-manager-kde
[23:18] <ghostcube> Monika|K: in my post ?
[23:18] <Monika|K> yes
[23:18] <ghostcube> ok
[23:18] <ghostcube> why are all the dev packages on remove
[23:19] <neversfelde> ScottK: afaik not
[23:24] <nixternal> 8.04 - are we really worried about fixing minor bugs? ie. kubuntu-docs install issue? seeing as we are only 2 months away until EOL