=== asac_ is now known as asac [00:49] Riddell: I am looking at the printer mockups..and it seems that the only thing really todo is make an icon list instead of a tree view... is that right? or am I missing what else should be done? [01:05] Hurray, Frescobaldi and Kobby are now in Debian NEW, sync time :) [01:14] s/NEW/{unstable,experimental}/ [02:02] Riddell: it's in kubuntu-ppa/experimental for karmic if you wish to test [02:55] yay, latest langpack update makes everything look splendid in Spanish [02:57] lies [02:57] yo quiero taco bell [02:59] hmm.... in application menus, the keyboard shortcut designations aren't translated [03:00] taco bell killed that poor dog a week or so ago [03:03] a true symbol of the 90s [03:04] ;__: [03:18] haha, yo quiero taco bell!!!! \o/ ROFL@!)***~*#@!@# that poor dog died last week :( [03:20] yo nixternal! [03:21] vorian: no you're steve. rich is nixternal [03:21] maco: why the hate from OLF? [03:21] they must really hate me or something :P [03:22] vorian: nothing personal. we were told to each pick out the 5 "omg must have" beginner and 5-7 "omg must have" intermediate/advanced talks (+a few "um...no." talks) and i get the impression im not the only one who went "5? you want me to pick only 5???" [03:22] ah, well [03:23] it's ok [03:23] 4 or 5 people submitted the same thing, so all but one of them were rejected [03:23] i think jorge was the one accepted [03:23] 5 talks on Kubuntu! [03:23] that's awesome [03:23] it was about how to build a community around your project [03:23] how silly [03:24] hehe i dont mean 4 or 5 submitted same as you :P just that there were 4 or 5 people who all somehow ended up on the same wavelength [03:24] I was being a tad sarcastic [03:24] oh [03:25] text [03:25] :) [03:25] i may be the only person living in ohio that usues Kubuntu [03:26] I have a feeling that will change starting in October [03:26] you were the only kubuntu proposal [03:26] I figured it was a long shot :) [03:26] ...wait what the heck in the beginner list was more interesting than you? [03:27] it's really ok maco, i'm moving next friday [03:27] well im pretty sure i voted for you [03:28] * vorian hugs maco [03:28] are you doing a talk this year? [03:28] yes i did vote for you. and yes i am. [03:28] coolio [03:29] dan was waitlisted [03:29] what! [03:30] that's crazy [03:30] his was on how to be a good/useful beta tester [03:31] that's a great topic [03:31] and his cat just bit me [03:31] ouch [03:32] she didnt bite hard. it was a warning bite [03:32] "stop petting RIGHT THIS INSTANT...OR ELSE" [03:32] it was quite a bit more specific than "how to be a good/useful beta tester" [03:32] i know but i didnt want to paste 6 lines of proposal into the channel [03:32] that's ok. it's olf's loss ;-) [03:33] if youre offered the friday thing will you take it? [03:33] fwiw, if i speak, i will be covering kubuntu use cases specifically [03:33] (though not exclusively) [03:33] uh, no. i'm in charge of the hackathon. [03:35] yay [03:36] oh [03:36] forgot that [03:36] hey vorian youre still coming right? [03:36] i've noticed dtchen has yet to sign my key [03:36] and nixternal? [03:36] vorian: he hasnt signed MY key yet [03:36] maco: i'll be living in Idaho [03:36] I don't sign keys, I eat them! [03:36] wow [03:36] vorian: eek [03:36] Idapimp [03:37] I da pimp [03:37] yeah, i'm pumped! [03:37] ok then... hey nixternal [03:37] no, you said "Idaho" [03:37] nixternal: what dan said about hackathon... [03:37] sounds like a bad jerry lewis dream [03:37] nixternal: mind if I use you as a referral? (new resume and all) [03:37] go for it! [03:37] schweet, thanks [03:37] we want the hackathon to not be "The AFS Hackathon" instead be "The Hackathon" and then people all in one room at a bunch of tables hacking on their respective projects. wanna put Kubuntu as one of the projects? [03:37] I will tell them all about what you do to sheep! [03:38] :o [03:38] nixternal: what you don't know is that you're starring! [03:38] not at OLF, I probably won't be going, 99.9% sure I won't be going [03:38] doh [03:39] 'm i gonna be the only kubuntu user? [03:39] maybe I should say 95% sure [03:39] uh,, no? [03:39] dtchen: oh duh. youll be there :P [03:40] just wait until OLF 2010, most people will be using Kubuntu [03:40] or More than 3 [03:41] well, once Kubuntu Netbook is released, i think there will be considerably expanded recognition [03:42] yes - and once 10.04 comes out - people will be flocking to a non-gnome alternative :) [03:42] JontheEchidna: so, have you considered daily builds of networkmanagement? [03:43] I don't have the script-fu necessary to automate things like that :( [03:44] JontheEchidna: talk to fta, who does the black magic for all the mozilla stuff. [03:44] if it were git, it'd be considerably easier, since you could snarf apw's kernel scripts [03:45] speaking of which, maybe you can just look at those: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/buildscripts.git;a=summary [03:46] it's likely not all that useful without major modification, but you can at least get some idea [03:46] barring that, i have some _extremely_ hacky junk that i use at work that i can pass you [03:46] it's really the last resort, however [03:59] JontheEchidna: got time to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scantailor ? [03:59] vorian: sure [03:59] awesome [03:59] * vorian is reviewing too [04:01] whoa, apparently I dl'd the old revu package before, but I don't ever recall doign that [04:05] ha [04:05] it was rejected via queue admin [04:05] by our very on Jonathan who is not me (tm) [04:08] ah! [04:10] JontheEchidna: i'm having him bump boost to 1.38 [04:15] getting a bit late, but the packaging looks sound fwiw. Other than that boost thing I'd upload if it builds [04:19] I guess I'll do the second revu tomorrow unless it's been done already === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [07:14] A silly question. In my old karmic installation i got phon as audio backend. I reinstalled from karmic-alpha3 cd and now I have pulseaudio instead of phonon. What is the default kubuntu audio backend? [07:15] s/phon/phonon/ === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [07:33] Curious to know if this is a bug, but with the new knetwork manager, when Im connected to ethernet, it shows a disconnected cord... is that correct? (it is connected though) [07:40] jussi01: bug 404309 ? [07:40] Launchpad bug 404309 in knetworkmanager "network manager plasmoid connects but shows "disconnected" icon" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404309 [07:40] micmord: ahh, thanks :D [08:35] At all konversation users - I got this: bug 410164 [08:35] Error: Launchpad bug 410164 could not be found [08:35] ops: bug 410163 [08:35] Launchpad bug 410163 in konversation "[karmic] wrong parsing $HOME in log path " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410163 [08:39] I was wondering ... to alternate synaptics touchpad settings one needs to enable SHM, however, would that work just as well without SHM but sudo? [08:39] if so, wouldn't it be desirable to use policykit? [08:41] micmord: is that $HOME pre-defined? [08:42] if so, it probably should be changed to not be pre-defined, other than that I do not see why $HOME should expand considering that konvi assumes the path is always in $HOME [08:44] apachelogger: I think so [08:45] that is not very convincing ;-) [08:45] apachelogger: i got that problem also with konvertation alpha4 [08:46] yep yep [08:47] starting the 6 august... maybe kde 4.3 [08:53] okay [08:54] src/viewer/chatwindow.cpp ChatWindow::cdIntoLogPath [08:55] cds into $HOME [08:55] then adds the configured file path and tries to cd/create that new path [08:56] apachelogger: I have $HOME/.kde/... in three pc, so I am sure i didn't change the default path [08:56] but then there is ... ./src/config/konversation.kcfg: QDir::homePath()+"/logs" [08:57] the thing is... that does not fit our settings ;-) [08:57] since konvi on karmic goes to $HOME/.kde.... while upstream would be $HOME/logs/ [09:01] micmord: I recommend you talk to someone in #konversation [09:01] or wait for JontheEchidna to show up [09:01] I find that issue quite strange [09:02] apachelogger: copy that [09:13] neversfelde: bug 404839 uploaded [09:13] Launchpad bug 404839 in plasma-widget-windowlist "transitional package plasma-widget-windowslist not installable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404839 [09:14] neversfelde: debdiffs are generally better than uploading the .diff.gz [09:16] Riddell: I want to file a bug again folderview and ublog but I can't find a package name what are they under please. [09:20] davmor2: folderview is kdebase [09:20] apachelogger: is ublog the same? [09:20] nah [09:21] kdeplasma-addons [09:21] apachelogger: ta :) [09:27] ScottK: for mime to work in firefox libgnomevfs is needed it appears [09:28] we can't pipe printing through the qt print dialog since there is no binary that could be called like kdeprint [09:29] huh, the font size is ridiculously big here :D [09:30] apachelogger: do you think I need to write a separate bug for ublog or is it okay to keep the 2 appa that disappear lumped together bug 410179 [09:30] Launchpad bug 410179 in kdebase "Folderview and ublog disappear from my screen after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410179 [09:31] davmor2: make it affect kdeplasma-addons [09:31] the thing is... since both are affected it might very well be unrelated to the widgets themselfs but a bug in the plasma lib [09:32] but since both are patched by us (I think), it might also be a patch problem [09:33] Riddell: k, thank you. Will upload them in future [09:35] don't know what happen then [09:36] apachelogger: sorry you were say it might be lib plasma [09:41] apachelogger: shall I upload plasma-netbook? [09:41] Riddell: if the packaging is fine :) [09:42] Riddell: btw, kontrolpack's binaries in karmic are waiting in new *hint* *hint* :) [09:47] are they now, if only it was my archive day I'd approve them. of course I can always be bribed with hugs [09:49] "Description: blah" that may need expanding :) [09:49] hugs? hmmm.... [09:49] * apachelogger cuddles the Riddell [09:50] Riddell: I knew there was something about the packaging that needed a second opinion ;-) [09:54] Riddell: about that arora-bookmarks patch: I think we should hide the toolbar by default... I am probably not much of an example to go by, but I got quite disturbed by the fact that unused space between menu and toolbar was bigger than between toolbar and tabs [09:54] whereas the latter would be the emptied bookmarks bar [09:57] neversfelde: why does choqok have a LTR RTL setting? [09:57] * apachelogger would think that this stuff is done via the desktop settings [10:01] apachelogger: what is a LTR RTL setting? [10:01] well, text direction [10:01] left to right or right to left [10:01] apachelogger: uptream is persian [10:02] so? [10:02] seems to be important for him [10:02] still the setting is probably somewhere to be found in the KDE-wide settings stuff [10:02] ohhhh [10:03] apachelogger: yes I agree on toolbar hiding [10:03] maybe ... like when you have an account for english postings and one for persian or something, so you can get it viewed properly [10:03] neversfelde: if that is the reason I think the setting should not be shown in the dialog for initial account setup [10:03] apachelogger: I guess he has an egnlish system and some apps where he writes farsi instead of english are ready for writing right to left [10:03] it is a rather limited usecase, since most people only use native anyway\ [10:04] neversfelde: well, I am not generally saying the feature should go, I just think it is too visible upon first start [10:04] apachelogger: I will talk to him about that. Anyway 0.6.5 is ready to release afaik, so it is not urgent [10:04] and you know how it is, the more stuff you ask the user the less likely he will finish the initial setup ;-) [10:05] and I am on the road for the next 2 and a half week :) [10:06] Riddell: how about this: fill the toobar with Kubuntu/Ubuntu/KDE content but hide it, so if someone chooses to activate it, they will still get a good amount of branding and direction towards system information [10:06] neversfelde: so who is going to do the package update? :P [10:07] apachelogger: I'm not terribly keen on default bookmarks, most of our users shouldn't have their lives orientated around their operating system, but if you think of useful bookmarks that's should be ok [10:08] ninjas: new KOffice if anyone wants to take it [10:10] apachelogger: I have send some changes to bzr, yet. Probably I can complete it when I arrive at my parents house and I can find a computer without windows :) [10:10] Riddell: Well, either we fill it with branding content or useful content [10:11] i.e. the beloved socialnetwork stuff [10:11] neversfelde: bzr also works on windows :P [10:11] apachelogger: really? haha, I guess I will need one week to find out how to install [10:12] actually there is an installer thingy and integration like for svn [10:12] if you ever used svn on windows ;) [10:12] nope [10:13] well, ask the google, it probably got screenies [10:13] apachelogger: or just leave it empty? [10:13] neversfelde: basically it will integrate in explorer and provide a tray icon (i think) [10:13] Riddell: well, at least one item would be appropriate [10:14] Riddell: otherwise the bar is, well, kind of invisible even if the hide setting is unset [10:15] so I'd at least add kubuntu.org [10:16] I don't see what's wrong with it being invisible, it's perfectly easy to find when you're adding bookmarks [10:16] well, it _might_ be confusing [10:17] really, I never got the point of bookmarks anyway, much less of a bar just to display them [10:18] apachelogger: sounds like you're just the sort of person who wants to leave it empty :) [10:18] I would remove it completely [10:19] just wastes my poor memory :P [10:25] hm, you know, I find it incredibly funny that ruby1.8 got performance issues due to tcltk crap, but still batpull feels faster than pull-lp-source :P [10:49] guys I just saw that there were some updates for today (nice little notification) I clicked on select all updates and apply shouldn't it ask for the admin password at that point? [10:53] agateau: pingping [11:09] * apachelogger slips of chair === riddell__ is now known as Riddelll [11:22] Riddelll: ping [11:23] Riddelll: ping [11:23] Riddelll: ping ping [11:24] Riddelll: ooh [11:24] Riddell: Have you gone test crazy on two systems by any chance? [11:26] davmor2: message indicator is working [11:26] agateau is rocking [11:26] Riddelll: Oh now it all make sense :) [11:27] davmor2: ping me baby [11:27] Riddelll: ping [11:28] Riddelll: it's saddly worrying that your getting so excited about this ;) [11:46] patchy patchy patch patch [11:58] agateau: bug 410228 [11:58] Launchpad bug 410228 in plasma-widget-indicatordisplay "main inclusion report plasma-widget-indicatordisplay" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410228 [11:59] Riddell: yeah! [12:00] agateau: now we just have to poke someone into doing the MIR [12:01] Riddell: so, should I add an entry to the bookmarkstoolbar? [12:01] already made it hidden by default [12:01] apachelogger: I vote for hidden and empty [12:01] k [12:01] * apachelogger uploads [12:03] ok, i dont get my systemsettings bug fixed i just copied an sh script to kde autostart [12:03] oO [12:04] hi peoples [12:05] Riddell: ok [12:05] * agateau assumes MIR stands for "Main Inclusion Request" or something like this [12:05] yes [12:05] or Review [12:06] asac and lool can do them [12:06] !MIR [12:06] mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information. [12:06] or report :P [12:06] I note asac just left the room [12:06] apachelogger: nice, my guess was not too far [12:15] Riddell: i am still here ;) [12:15] oh you mean this romm her ;) [12:15] hehe [12:15] ok [12:20] apachelogger: about OO.org icons. With default openoffice.org-style-human i don't see any icons. After installing openoffice.org-style-crystal they appear. [12:21] eh? [12:22] apachelogger: with fresh kubuntu-alpha3 installation, I haven't any icons on oo.org [12:22] sound like fun [12:22] ooo should die anyway :P [12:22] taht's true [12:22] oo is die hygiene fürs .... [12:22] hehe [12:23] well [12:23] micmord: I suppose we are waiting for oxygen to arrive [12:23] micmord: that's known, we're waiting on the new release for kde 4 integration [12:23] \o/ [12:24] btw Riddell thx for the mainline link i installed 2.6.30.4 but sensors still doesnt work lol [12:24] only thing i needed was an newer nvidia glx and i need my lan drivers [12:25] can one create and install a nilfs partition using the live-cd? [12:32] Here the bug 390355 [12:33] Launchpad bug 390355 in openoffice.org "[kubuntu] no icons in openoffice on kde" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390355 [12:33] but one thing i dont get why is the atl1 chipset for the asus-p5q-pro maiboard ethernet adapter not in the mainline kernels [12:42] JontheEchidna: Hi! If you still care, you could adapt beta6 to kubuntu (unless it was kicked out of the archive while I wasn't looking)... [12:47] is there an irc channel for the mainline kernels [12:47] oO [12:55] JontheEchidna: thanks a lot for locating all those untranslated strings! Just one thing: it's better to file them against the kubuntu source package (and perhaps mentioning the kde module) rather than against the language-pack-kde-xx package, since there are lots of them. Usually I think it might be best to assign only l10n bugs to the language-pack-kde-xx package (or more critical i18n bugs affecting a particular language) [13:10] mornfall: sure [13:10] dpm: the thing about that Open Terminal string in dolphin, it is properly l10n'd. Maybe it's a rosetta bug? [13:11] action->setText(i18nc("@action:inmenu Tools", "Open &Terminal")); [13:19] Can someone take care of bug 410257 please? [13:20] Launchpad bug 410257 in kobby "Sync kobby 1.0~beta3-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410257 [13:20] JontheEchidna: Thanks! [13:20] See ya. [13:22] ryanakca: acking [13:32] JontheEchidna: thanks [13:42] bug 410273 [13:42] Launchpad bug 410273 in adept "Sync adept 3.0~beta6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410273 [13:58] * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna in the eye [13:58] see my earlier monologue about the $HOME issue in konvi [13:59] patching is not indicated at all [13:59] just make the defaults fit the new code [14:01] aah, ok [14:07] JontheEchidna: we need to give kubuntu-bugs some more appeal [14:17] Does anybody have the time / interest in helping me figure out why http://packages.debian.org/sid/frescobaldi builds in jaunty but not karmic? [14:25] apachelogger: mind sponsoring k-d-s bzr? [14:25] oh, but first I should test the fix [14:26] brb [14:29] apachelogger: yay, it works [14:30] \o/ [14:30] shm hates me [14:42] apachelogger: why are you using shm? [14:43] didnt i see something recently about current -synaptics not having it? [14:45] Riddell: have you patched kickoff to change the names of suspend and hibernate actions? [14:45] I'm noticiing (after someone emails me) that it's different between my kubuntu and my trunk install [14:46] If so, is that planned for ksmserver as well? [14:46] And could you pass that upstream, I'd be in favor of merging it, if I didn't miss anything crucial [14:51] sebas: yes I patched something, I think it was kickoff and powerdevil which I thought I'd put upstream, I may well have missed ksmserver though [14:52] Riddell: ksmserver seems to be inconsistent with kickoff and powerdevil/plasma in kubuntu [14:52] kickoff is different from upstream at least [14:52] sebas: about susp. and hiber.: With alt-ctrl-del can access susp and hiber only as submenues of shutdown'. Will this (should I) fix it? [14:52] If you have that patch handy ... :) [14:53] allee-m: hmm, dunno ... it would make sense to have a "default switch computer off action" IMO [14:53] So you go "off means always suspend" [14:53] So the main button in ksmserver should IMO reflect that [14:54] Who maintains ksmserver? Is that ossi? [14:57] Either ossi or seli [15:12] JontheEchidna: nm plasmoid in experimental had the same problem for me as the other day, it doesn't do anything with wireless [15:12] JontheEchidna: but also, cry https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/network-manager/0.8~a~git.20090804t185522.4bab334-0ubuntu1 [15:12] so it'll be entirely broken now anyway [15:12] we are sooo royally screwed [15:12] mm hmm [15:15] apachelogger: ok if I upload kdebase-workspace? [15:15] If they feel like shoving experimental crap like that down our throats then at the least they should make a Solid backend for 0.8, or revert the new version. [15:16] Riddell: if it builds :) [15:16] because I can't imagine that KDE'll want to make a 0.8 backend anytime soon [15:17] JontheEchidna: what is the fuzz about? [15:17] apachelogger: nm team uploaded NM 0.8, we are screwed [15:17] their argument is that 0.7 is abandoned upstream [15:18] JontheEchidna: _if_ gnome would use the new systray protocol, then AFAIU KDE would have to do nothing ;) [15:18] hm [15:18] you know [15:18] I am sick of it [15:19] I have a feeling that some kubuntu dev will go wild and revert back to 0.7 [15:19] * JontheEchidna doesn't see what systrays have to do with it [15:19] * JontheEchidna would be in support of a revert [15:19] not that the 0.7 version worked very well anyway [15:20] better than not working at all [15:20] not working will be super useless once beta goes out [15:20] I am wondering what sebas thinks we should do [15:21] maybe bitching, moaning and switching to mandriva is the ultimate solution [15:21] he thinks we should use nm-applet [15:22] and currently I think it's the only option, although it goes against everything Kubuntu is for [15:22] well [15:22] screw that [15:22] what is kubuntu worth if it doesnt work [15:22] just my opinion [15:23] mind that this isn't a kubuntu problem, it's a KDE problem, we can only do what KDE offers [15:23] apachelogger: I haven't looked at NM 0.8 at all [15:24] Will said, I think "I'll wait until release, they're not even feature frozen atm" [15:24] uhoh [15:24] well, from my point of view upstream nor kubuntu should be using nm to begin with [15:24] one way or another we will always be one step behind nm-applet [15:24] Why not? [15:25] and I don't see how that is changing any time soon [15:25] Well, the UI bits we have now don't depend on NM anyway [15:25] The NM specific part is a kded module that offers a dbus interface [15:25] the UI uses a client lib to interact with that, the kded module is interchangeable (wicd, NM, connman at some point) [15:25] yeah, a step in the right direction really [15:26] Indeed, it's got two advantages: NM internals are really complex, we want to hide that [15:26] and we don't depend on NM itself [15:26] sebas: maybe Will can take a look at 0.8 and give us an idea of how much work it would be to port? [15:27] yuriy: if it's not feature-frozen, it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO [15:27] if nm0.8 scheduled for karmic? [15:27] and replacing nm 0.7? [15:27] sebas: a git snapshot currently _is_ in karmic [15:27] ah, wow. [15:27] That's ... not exactly handy [15:28] :/ [15:29] JontheEchidna: do you plan to work again on bug 389744 anytime soon? I ponder if I give aseigos suggestion a try ... [15:29] Launchpad bug 389744 in kdebase-workspace "Fix avatar in KDE menu to be next to username" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389744 [15:29] guys: I chatted to ubuntu nm folks and they're saying they will look at it [15:31] kubntu ninjas: is there a command like apt-get source that download source + bzr co lp: instead of diff.gz ? [15:31] also suse will be switching to 0.8 so knetworkmanager should switch too [15:31] allee-k: gypsy form kde-dev-tools [15:32] allee-k: most packages now have bzr imports in launchpad actually [15:32] though, I think gypsy is missing some branch locations :P [15:32] bzr co lp:ubuntu/ [15:33] Riddell, apachelogger: ahh, so much changed in the last year to the better (beside nm ;) thx [15:41] allee-k: feel free to take over, I've not had time [15:43] JontheEchidna: ok. In case I'm manage to enhance the patch I'll reassign [15:45] Riddell: What needs to be done for the settings for the two plasmoids under "Social from the Start" on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic ? [15:48] ryanakca: microblog is fine I think, opendesktop needs code changes to make it not try to connect before it has an account but to show the "users near me" without an account [15:49] Riddell: OK [15:50] also to work out why it doesn't respect its minimum size [15:50] Riddell: could I trouble you with bug 410273? [15:50] Launchpad bug 410273 in adept "Sync adept 3.0~beta6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410273 [15:51] huh, wonder why requestsync let me confirm that/subscribe the archive admins, I'm no core-dev [15:52] maybe you just got promoted :) [15:52] haha, yeah [15:53] that'd be funny [15:53] Riddell: what package is it in? [15:53] ryanakca: kdeplasma-addons [16:04] Riddell: for some reason the installer needed >1 minute to switch from timezone to keyboard === ejat is now known as e-jat [16:19] Riddell: also he new UI is somewhat sluggish on my dell mini [16:30] Riddell: feel like re-enabling my Kubuntu Membership? seems to have expired last month without letting me know [16:31] Riddell: OK. At the moment, it shows the "Users near me" without an account, the only difference is that is is slightly grayed and there's a "Configure" button over top of it, but clicking / etc. Maybe modify k-d-s to have it display the "Users near me" by default? [16:31] nixternal: you usually get four days notice, if you're not paying attention then you get kicked out [16:31] what do we think, should we let nixternal back in? [16:31] hah, but I do pay attention [16:32] hrmm he will have to buy me dinner [16:32] ryanakca: does it actually show any nearby users? [16:32] I am broke [16:32] Riddell: Yes [16:32] Riddell: I can try it in a VM, but after deleting my account from the applet, in still does [16:32] ryanakca: it wasn't doing that for me until after I configured a user account [16:32]