[00:02] <thumper> rockstar: 2 minutes
[00:06] <wgrant> Who is this Green Dragon character, and what is with their bugs?
[00:08] <rockstar> wgrant, link?
[00:09] <wgrant> rockstar: Lots of bugs against launchpad.
[00:09] <wgrant> Some with a further 20 comments by this same person.
[00:09] <beuno> yeah, made me feel stabby
[00:09] <wgrant> It's not exactly coherent either.
[00:11] <ajmitch> I see what you mean, additional comments every 2-3 minutes on some of those bugs
[00:11] <wgrant> 10 comments on bug #410054, eg.
[00:11] <mup> Bug #410054: From "bugs.edge.launchpad.net" their is no back link to "launchpad.net" <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/410054>
[00:11] <ajmitch> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~great-wyrm-green-dragon
[00:12] <ajmitch> bug 410076 is a bit odd
[00:12] <mup> Bug #410076: Maybe one could add a wiki in the code section so the code could be edited more easily? <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/410076>
[00:12] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:12] <wgrant> That's the one I was referring to when I said that somebody had recommended that all apps except Bugs be dropped.
[00:13] <wgrant> Oddly, the account is nearly two years old.
[00:21] <spm> mwhudson: no mirror-branch process running atm; wasn't earlier either if that helps?
[00:22] <mwhudson> spm: can you sync the logs again?
[00:22] <spm> mwhudson: syncing...
[00:22] <spm> done
[00:22] <mwhudson> spm: can you mirror oopses too?
[00:23] <mwhudson> spm: also from asuka?
[00:23] <spm> mwhudson: that was everything, so yes; asuka, will do.
[00:23] <maxb> A conundrum.... what to do with doctests which will output different styles of output run with python2.4 vs. python2.5 ?
[00:26] <mwhudson> spm: can you sync the access log for asuka too?
[00:26] <wgrant> A bit of ellipsis hopefully solves that.
[00:26] <wgrant> maxb: How different?
[00:26] <mwhudson> (that seems rather out of date, maybe i'm looking in the wrong place though)
[00:26] <spm> mwhudson: ah. i did bzrsyncd, not lp
[00:28] <mwhudson> err
[00:28] <mwhudson> has sodium just fallen over?
[00:29] <spm> yup
[00:29] <mwhudson> hooray
[00:30] <wgrant> sodium is devpad?
[00:31] <mwhudson> yes
[00:50] <mwhudson> spm: we disable mirrored branches somehow on staging
[00:50] <mwhudson> spm: do you remember how?
[00:51] <spm> mwhudson: update set branchs == no mirroring; was moderately simple istr.
[00:51] <spm> mwhudson: it's in the staging update for codehost... errr. one sec.
[00:52] <mwhudson> spm: i'm reasonably sure that's not valid sql :)
[00:52] <spm> it wasn't meant to be :-)
[00:54] <spm> mwhudson: part of staging restore: UPDATE branch SET next_mirror_time = NULL WHERE branch_type = 2 AND id NOT IN (SELECT branch.id FROM branch, product WHERE branch.product = product.id AND product.name = 'bzrtools');
[00:57] <mwhudson> spm: ta
[01:02] <mwhudson> spm: can you sync the puller.log again?
[01:02] <mwhudson> spm: preferably without killing devpad again :)
[01:03] <spm> oh you developers and your pony requirements
[01:03] <spm> is done
[01:03] <maxb> wgrant: py2.4 tracebacks call anonymous modules '?', py2.5 says '<module>' that's just one of many similar issues
[01:04] <spm> mwhudson: btw, i've re-enabled that update for codehost - not that I suspect you'll care... ;-)
[01:04] <mwhudson> spm: i hope not
[01:05]  * mwhudson curses
[01:21] <wgrant> maxb: Ellipsis should solve that one easily.
[01:23] <mwhudson> hooray for QA
[01:23] <sidnei> wgrant, maxb: there's a way to use regexes for normalizing tracebacks, search for 'RENormalizing'
[01:23] <wgrant> sidnei: Ah, useful.
[01:23]  * wgrant will fix some of the failing tests later.
[01:24] <sidnei> http://svn.zope.org/zope.testing/trunk/src/zope/testing/renormalizing.py?rev=84340&view=markup
[01:28] <sidnei> maxb: there's an example here that deals with exceptions differences: http://svn.zope.org/zope.testing/trunk/src/zope/testing/testrunner/tests.py?rev=100712&view=auto
[01:30] <maxb> yikes, how involved. ok then.
[01:31] <maxb> The other thing I'm rather concerned about is the amounts of complaints about tests leaving garbage I'm seeing
[01:31] <maxb> also, can anyone explain a bit about LayerIsolationErrors complaining about garbage?
[01:34] <mwhudson> spm: can you apply another patch on top of the one i gave you earlier?
[01:34] <spm> sure
[01:34] <mwhudson> spm: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248930/
[01:36] <spm> mwhudson: patched and restarted
[01:36] <mwhudson> spm: thanks
[01:36] <mwhudson> (restart wasn't necessary, can't hurt though :)
[01:36] <spm> oh? oki.
[01:37] <spm> being in twisted I just assumed...
[01:39] <mwhudson> woo, works!
[01:40] <mwhudson> spm: can you sync the log again?
[01:40] <mwhudson> puller.log that is
[01:41] <spm> and I suppose you wnat a crashless sync again?
[01:41] <mwhudson> if poss
[01:41]  * spm rolls eyes at the impossible demands some folks have
[01:41] <spm> mwhudson: done
[01:43] <mwhudson> thanks a lot
[02:37] <thumper> edge seems extremely sluggish
[02:48] <wgrant> thumper: Didn't I see something in the production meeting about high load and lots of timeouts?
[02:48] <thumper> yeah
[05:30]  * mwhudson off -- please don't send me too much email while i'm gone :)
[06:05] <Ursinha> mwhudson, good luck :)
[07:29] <noodles775> Hi
[09:42] <mrevell> Hi
[10:58] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:00] <jtv> hi deryck, and hi mrevell
[11:02] <mrevell> Hi hi
[11:07]  * jml waves
[11:08] <mrevell> jtv: the term "translation domain" is confusing me a tad.
[11:09] <mrevell> jtv: wrt naming templates.
[11:09] <jtv> mrevell: "name" is the name we use in URLs etc.  "domain" is what's used in filenames on the end-user's system
[11:10] <henninge> mrevell: translation domain is a term used by the gettext system
[11:10] <mrevell> jtv: Is that terminology that we've invented or will be apparent to most readers of the user guide?
[11:10] <mrevell> ah right thanks
[11:10] <jtv> mrevell: translation domain is a standard term
[11:10] <mrevell> cool, thanks chaps
[11:18] <danilos> jtv: ping when you are alive again
[11:21] <henninge> danilos: I have 30 min now or how ever much you like at abt. 13:45
[11:21] <henninge> our time
[11:21] <danilos> henninge: let's do it now then
[11:22] <danilos> henninge: ok, I'll do a separate call with jtv, and then see how quickly we're done
[11:22] <henninge> danilos: np
[11:27] <jml> http://paste.ubuntu.com/249155/ -- anyone know what this error actually means?
[12:00] <wgrant> lazr.restful doesn't treat ForbiddenAttributes like Unauthorizeds -- it OOPSes instead. Intentional?
[12:05] <jml> couldn't say.
[12:06] <wgrant> Quite a few existing exports suffer from that.
[13:05] <danilos> henninge: https://pastebin.canonical.com/20914/
[13:44] <sinzui> I think PQM hates Björk.
[13:50] <intellectronica> for once, i feel empathic to PQM :)
[13:58] <jml> allenap, thanks for commenting!
[13:59] <allenap> jml: No worries :) It's interesting.
[14:02] <jml> anyone have any idea what might cause this error message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249155/
[14:08] <mwhudson> wgrant: ForbiddenAttribute is more like AttributeError than Unathorized
[14:09] <wgrant> mwhudson: True.
[14:09] <noodles775> jml: I've got vague memories of seeing that before... can you paste your test if it's new?
[14:09] <wgrant> (I hate that)
[14:10] <jml> noodles775, it's not new :(
[14:10]  * noodles775 checks...
[14:11] <jml> noodles775, but I've changed the underlying code substantially
[14:25] <jml> noodles775, actually, I think I've got a little closer to figuring it out
[14:26] <noodles775> jml: yeah? What was it? (I just saw the big XXX in store.py
[14:26] <jml> noodles775, it's an ordering thing...
[14:26] <jml> noodles775, don't have the exact details, I'm in a talk now and can't type as loudly as I need to think right
[14:26] <noodles775> :) np.
[15:01] <flacoste> is it just me or edge is slow?
[15:04] <beuno> flacoste, it's been slow for me since yesterday
[15:04] <flacoste> beuno: well, there is slow and slow
[15:04] <beuno> I get the feeling it's not that pages are slow to generate, but the connection being slow
[15:05] <beuno> flacoste, "extra slow"
[15:05] <flacoste> "Connecting to bugs.edge.launchpad.net"
[15:05] <flacoste> sitting there for 3 minutes now
[15:05] <beuno> sometimes I've had to hit a page twice to actually get it
[15:05] <flacoste> and counting
[15:05] <bigjools> slashdotted?
[15:05] <flacoste> same thing for wiki.canonical.com
[15:05] <flacoste> or dev.launchpad.net
[15:05] <flacoste> herb, mthaddon: any idea of the above?
[15:07] <herb> flacoste: no idea. everything seems to be operating properly
[15:07] <flacoste> glad to hear!
[15:07] <flacoste> it might be a connectivity issue with my provider, let me traceroute
[15:07] <flacoste> what is the greatest tool in term of tracerouting nowadays?
[15:07] <herb> mtr is still the way to go
[15:08] <flacoste> hmm
[15:09] <flacoste> no loss
[15:09] <flacoste> 14 hops
[15:09] <flacoste> 120ms to vanadium
[15:11] <flacoste> hmm
[15:11] <flacoste> works fine from wget / openssl
[15:11]  * flacoste restarts firefox
[15:12] <flacoste> seems to be a problem with all SSL sites on my side :-(
[15:12] <flacoste> don't you love system upgrades
[15:32] <bigjools> jml: thanks for the feedback emails, I'm thinking about them
[15:33] <jml> bigjools, np. I hope they help.
[15:34] <bigjools> they will
[16:04] <sinzui> beuno: ping
[16:05] <beuno> sinzui, hi
[16:06] <sinzui> Upgrading portlets is awkward. for example to make Top Contributors work for 3.0 on the project page, the distro page gets a floating link
[16:06] <beuno> sinzui, floating link?
[16:07] <jml> ok
[16:08] <jml> have deciphered our Branch -> Archive diagram, time to wikify it.
[16:08] <jml> if I refer to the sun god at any point, it probably indicates that I've misinterpreted some of the runes
[16:08] <sinzui> beuno: The see _More contributors_ link is in the header, in a 2.0 page. So my dilema is A) ignore the problem because the distro will be updated next week, B) write code to run two implementations at the same time. C) add 2,0 and 3,0 CSS hacks that hide eachother's special layout rules.
[16:09] <beuno> sinzui, this is just to drop that link for a week?
[16:10] <sinzui> right
[16:10]  * sinzui makes screencap
[16:11] <beuno> sinzui, drop it for a week, be happy
[16:11] <sinzui> beuno: https://devpad.canonical.com/~curtis/crack.png
[16:11] <beuno> sinzui, that's 2.0 now?
[16:11] <sinzui> beuno: that is what will happen on the distro page if I land the project page changes.
[16:12] <beuno> sinzui, drop that link for distro until next week
[16:12] <beuno> don't sweat it
[16:12] <beuno> BjornT, the dupe finder hates me and doesn't want me to file bugs
[16:12] <beuno> is that issue on your plate?
[16:13] <sinzui> beuno: sorry. I do not understand. The portlet is shared. Either the link is always there or it is never there
[16:13] <beuno> sinzui, I see. Drop the link for a week, don't wasate time hacking around it for so little time
[16:13] <sinzui> okay
[16:14] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I am removing the latestquestions portlet from the team page. It broke in my branch, then I realised is never worked...team cannot ask questions.
[16:15] <EdwinGrubbs> ok
[16:31] <jml> I've just requested a mailing list on staging, can I please get someone to approve it?
[16:32] <jml> oh wait, I can.
[16:56] <beuno> sinzui, could you point me at a project that the product release finder imports automatically?
[16:59]  * sinzui thinks
[16:59] <sinzui> sidnei: ping
[17:00] <sinzui> sweet. I still have a log
[17:08] <sinzui> beuno: You can see when the prf got fixed in this project:https://edge.launchpad.net/vpnc
[17:09] <sinzui> beuno: This project uses the prf, but since it did not work, they have manually made the releases: https://edge.launchpad.net/netrek-archive
[17:09] <beuno> sinzui, thanks
[17:10] <sinzui> beuno: the log lists the projects first, then starts downloading. it is hard to see which download is for which project and series
[17:11] <beuno> sinzui, right, I'm trying to see if this is good enough for us to know if we're shipping a version in ubuntu which isn't upstream's latest
[17:51] <sidnei> sinzui: yo
[17:57] <bigjools> see y'all, have a nice weekend
[18:09] <abentley> flacoste: do you have a few minutes to chat?
[18:13] <mrevell> Good weekend all
[18:27] <sinzui> Hi sidnei I believe you have projects that set the filereleaseglob to automatically download releases from another site
[18:39] <sidnei> sinzui: i gave it a try on staging, but had trouble with it, two bugs were filed
[18:40] <sinzui> sidnei: I think you still have it setup in production. I think that because I think I saw you listed in the log.
[18:41] <sinzui> sidnei: I will try to fix a few of the reporting bugs related to in before 3.0
[18:44] <sidnei> sinzui: uhm, that would be weird, i don't remember doing anything in production
[18:45] <sinzui> It may have been a coincidence that your were testing on staging in June/July when I was running tests
[18:54] <maxb> Hi, can anyone explain some background about LayerIsolationExceptions complaining about garbage?
[19:00] <intellectronica> have a lovely weekend, everyone!
[19:03] <sidnei> sinzui: so... do you need any feedback/help debugging or anything?
[19:04] <flacoste> abentley: i'm back, skype?
[19:05] <salgado> maxb, sure, what's up
[19:06] <sinzui> sidnei: I was curious if it found any new files for you.
[19:06] <maxb> In my Python 2.5 testing I'm getting lots of messages about garbage from individual tests, and the first test in many layers dies with a LayerIsolationError complaining about garbage
[19:06] <maxb> I'm basically looking for a nudge in the right direction of what to look for.
[19:07] <sidnei> sinzui: so. i tried it in staging for the zope2 project yesterday (or two days ago), there was no visible indication that it found any files or that it failed in anyway, this is one of the bugs that i reported
[19:07] <sidnei> sinzui: whatever i did in june/july completely escapes my memory right now :)
[19:07] <sinzui> sidnei: me to.
[19:10] <salgado> maxb, IME that usually means a layer has been setUp() but not torn down in the correct order
[19:10] <maxb> mhm
[19:11] <maxb> LayerIsolationError: Test left uncollectable garbage
[19:11] <maxb> [<bzrlib.smart.medium.SmartSimplePipesClientMedium object at 0x10de8ad0>] (referenced from [(<bzrlib.smart.medium.SmartSimplePipesClientMedium object at 0x10de8ad0>,), [<bzrlib.smart.medium.SmartSimplePipesClientMedium object at 0x10de8ad0>], {'_state': 'reading', '_medium': <bzrlib.smart.medium.SmartSimplePipesClientMedium object at 0x10de8ad0>}])
[19:24] <abentley> flacoste: back too :-)
[19:29] <beuno> deryck_!
[19:29] <deryck_> beuno!
[19:32] <beuno> deryck, what's my daily update on awesome inline description editing?
[19:32] <beuno> landed?  :)
[19:32] <deryck> beuno, :)  Just waiting for you to ask :)
[19:32] <deryck> beuno, very close... which I guess is my standard response now. :)
[19:33] <deryck> beuno, I have three minor issues on the lazr-js branch to finish and I'm ready to put it up for code review.
[19:34] <beuno> deryck, so I shouldn't make any fun plans for the weekend, as I will be able to play with descriptions all night long?
[19:34]  * beuno increases the pressure
[19:34] <deryck> heh, I think you should enjoy your weekend :)
[19:34] <beuno> well dodged
[19:35] <deryck> beuno, I have 3-4 hours of work to be done on the lazr-js branch, and I'll keep at it until it's done....
[19:35] <beuno> deryck, thanks man
[21:04] <rockstar> abentley, let's do that standup thing
[21:04] <abentley> rockstar: roger