[00:09] gnome-do: (Do:17634): Wnck-CRITICAL **: wnck_set_client_type got called multiple times. [00:09] raof is not here :( [00:14] how can I install, all the games of ubuntu at once? [00:14] like "apt-get install --category=games" :) [00:15] hehe [00:15] lololol [00:15] because I often go with my netbook where there's no net and if I'm bored I want to try various games I haven't tried before :) [00:15] th1: apt-get install `apt-cache search game|cut -d- -f1` [00:16] oh hang on, not quite right [00:16] hm .. surely | grep -v ^lib [00:16] eve then there are lots that are not games :) [00:17] apt-get install `apt-cache search game|cut '-d ' -f1|uniq` splitting on the - was dumb [00:17] so i installed karmic, i have a second hard drive, and on my old ubuntu it would mount it automatically which is what i want. but now its asking me for my admin password every time i boot up to mount it? can i change this? [00:17] th1: I reckoned the libs were probably used by games if they matched gam [00:17] e [00:17] inside "apt" there is whole section called "games" [00:17] there must surely be a way to list just those [00:17] somebody could build a metapackage for that task [00:18] it would grab torcs, sauerbraten, nexuiz etc. [00:21] in fact inside aptitude's gui it was possible to just press + on the whole group [00:21] now they are all getting installed :) [00:22] lol, there sure is a lot. 33 minutes download with 2MB/Sec [00:22] a few games are 400MBs just for data [00:23] yeah, the 3 i just mentioned among them [00:23] well I got 160gb disk and I'm using about 10 so I'll be ok [00:24] which reminds me; I keep wondering how many penguin images there are on a typical ubuntu hard disc [00:24] does it include ascii art ones;) [00:24] and why not [00:24] ahah [00:25] maybe if there was an open source version of Google's picasa face recognizer it could look for al the tuxes [00:28] are there any free games that are a bit like world of warcraft with a free server? === yacc_ is now known as yacc [01:14] does anyone know how to use .xsession for login in gdm? it's only giving me the options to use gnome or xterm in the session [01:16] wtf... pulseaudio isn't offering output on my usb sound card! [01:16] i thought you said it went there automatically when you lug it in [01:17] Nope. [01:17] Not when PA thinks it offers only "stereo input", and nothing else. [01:17] I unplugged and replugged the card a bunch of times, and it finally crashed pulseaudio... and then the next time PA started, it offered surround again. [01:18] also, does anyone know how to turn on autologin? the autologin options moved and gdm.conf-custom moved as well, which leaves me no gui or cli to set autologin [01:18] the last updates of PA really messed up the stable audio behavior, now closing any flash player will remove the analog output from the sound preferences [01:19] so you don't have any more sound, unless you restart the system ! [01:21] I have a solution to the flash player syndrome, a new FF add on that allow the user to play the video content by totem as any mp3 or mwv content, [01:22] in this way we can forget the naughty flash player [01:22] http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3488 [01:23] oops [01:23] wron channel [01:24] ooo, test4-ubuntu2 packages [01:26] ouch, no vbox on ubuntu 9.10. maybe if I disable NMI it will work :P [01:27] menu.lst moved in karmic!?!? [01:28] hi. is there a proper way to request a package update for karmic? [01:28] There's no more menu.lst. ;) [01:28] proq: grub2 has different configuration. [01:28] LLStarks: File a bug in launchpad. [01:29] proq: vbox does work, it just doesn;t always want to start first time [01:29] $ sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start [01:29] should get it to work eventually, though 3.0.4 seems better [01:31] !packaging | LLStarks [01:31] LLStarks: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [01:32] hmm, is there going to be an update for paprefs? [01:32] It broke again. [01:33] "broke" as in "Network Access tab is broken". [01:38] we need a really good ebook reader for linux [01:42] define "e-book" -- what makes it different from a PDF? [01:42] Is it a specific file format? [01:43] it can be a pdf [01:45] it's a book in a digital format that does not have to be PDF [01:47] ah, now RAOP isn't even offering a sink. [01:49] And pulseaudio -vvvv gives no output from that module. [01:51] done for tonight [01:51] E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_usb_audio'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail. [01:55] hmm, not that that raop does me much good, anyway. [01:55] The only speakers I even like... are the ones connected to my usb sound card. =þ [02:09] too bad usb audio is a pile of crap [02:09] looks like verne went down... [02:17] yeah, USB audio IS a pile of crap. [02:17] But nobody makes a nice sound card for laptops. [02:17] it's ok on mac systems [02:17] Or rather, none like what I'd want. [02:17] What I'd want: something like the Xonar cards, but in an ExpressCard form factor. [02:19] The only ExpressCard sound card out there, is the not-really-an-X-Fi "X"treme Audio card. [02:19] It's not Extreme... it's X...treme. [02:20] i'm sure there will be a decent driver for that at some point in the next couple of years [02:20] That's not the issue... the issue is that I don't want to give Creative any of my money -- they're scum, in my opinion. [02:21] why is that? [02:24] You didn't see the whole thing about two years ago, about them deliberately cripping their drivers... and then LYING about it? [02:24] yes i did see that [02:24] but that was a licensing issue [02:24] they had to disable some features that were no longer properly licensed [02:24] Well, they disabled it on cards where it had worked before. [02:24] And the point is, they LIED about it. Flat-out lied. [02:24] Dolby-digital decoding. [02:24] And then they went behind everybody's backs... and gave Dell the drivers that had the feature enabled. [02:24] so yeah, I will not give Creative any of my money for a misleadingly-named-anyway sound card. [02:24] dell may have paid the licensing fees [02:25] i don't know if they lied, but they may not have made their position entirely clear [02:25] I paid the licensing fees when I bought my sound card. [02:25] not necesarily [02:25] It worked in XP, and it worked in Vista for the beta drivers... and then stopped working on new drivers. [02:25] yes but the license ran out [02:25] That's bullshit -- and exactly part of why software patents suck. [02:26] language your watch [02:26] And Creative has now ALSO revoked C-Media's rights to Sensaura's stuff... actively removing features from pre-existing products. [02:26] i'm not arguing that software patents are a good thing. i'm against all IP. but it exists despite my idealism [02:28] And they didn't say "remove feature in newer drivers".. they actually did this: [02:28] if (OS is Vista) then (Break these features). [02:28] yes becaquse they hadn't paid for them [02:28] If it was about license expiring... then they'd have to have removed the feature for the newer XP drivers, too! [02:29] should they put themselves out of business to please their customers? [02:29] Well, what I'm saying is that the license explanation makes no sense. [02:29] you think their directors are twirling their moustaches in a dark room thinking of ways to screw their customers? [02:29] It wouldn't surprise me. [02:30] oh come on now [02:30] so you won't buy auzentech stuff either [02:30] Nope. [02:30] Besides, they don't make anything for notebooks. [02:30] well, if you had a desktop [02:31] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123743 [02:31] and you wanted a prelude [02:31] Nope. I'd get a Xonar. [02:31] the prelude is superior [02:31] It's X-Fi. I don't want it to crash under 4 gigs of RAM... a bug that's existed for ages, then was fixed... and then apparently has come back. [02:31] auzentech's drivers work and have all of the features [02:32] wait. i thought this was a normative argument, now you've made it pragmatic [02:33] now the x-fi doesn't work, when before it was about boycotting creative [02:33] It's both. [02:33] ok [02:33] well, my audigy2 works great [02:33] Plus, the cardbus audigy2 is another great example of crap construction: brittle plastic that broke even under normal use. [02:34] oh, and then they downgraded it to a really-an-sblive card for newer laptops. [02:34] (a.k.a. "Xtreme Audio"). [02:34] Anyway, so yeah, USB audio sucks, but there's nothing else worthwhile for laptops. [02:34] even the sblive would be better than the usual realtek ac'97 crap [02:35] you'd have bass/treble controls [02:35] I like flat. [02:35] have you got those now btw? [02:35] Don't need them. [02:35] Good speakers render it unnecessary. [02:35] yeah but if you did, are they available? [02:35] Or good enough, rather. [02:35] Moot point. [02:36] so they're not available [02:36] Oh yeah, buy the X-Fi Extreme Audio Notebook, for surround sound * [02:36] * analog I/O module costs 30 bucks extra! [02:36] i wouldn't buy it for pragmatic reasons [02:36] And for like 6 months after the introduction of the card, it wasn't even available ANYWHERE. [02:36] Buy this ATV, for 6-wheel drive! * [02:36] * 6-wheel drive costs extra. [02:36] Same idea. [02:37] but if i had a windows system i'd buy an auzentech prelude [02:37] I just wish somebody would make a C-Media-based ExpressCard sound card. [02:37] well, that will happen at some point i'm sure [02:40] Oh yeah, and the cardbus audigy2 never did work very well. [02:40] You'd go to "safely remove" the card... and cthelper would crash, unkillably. [02:40] If I then pulled out the sound card, it'd BSOD. Every time. [02:41] In fact, the only way I could get it NOT to bsod... was to close anything that could possibly be using the card... and then just yank it out. [02:41] Bonus feature in the C-Media windows drivers: a voice-changer on the mic input! [02:41] sounds like windows's fault [02:41] No, it's Creative's fault. [02:41] No other device did that. [02:41] And cthelper.... is a Creative thing. [02:41] what about another cardbus sound card? [02:42] I don't have any others. =þ [02:42] But the USB one doesn't do that, for example. [02:42] Oh, and if you had music playing, and then plugged in headphones... [02:42] so what you're trying to say is... [02:42] BAM! [02:42] that you're not entirely happy with the creative corporation. [02:42] IT BLASTED YOU with full volume for a split second, on both speakers and headphones. [02:42] Got hearing damage? Thanks, Creative! [02:43] oh yeah, anyway, now I use Linux as my primary OS, anyway. [02:43] And my CPU is good enough that it's no big deal to run Windows apps with software audio. [02:43] through "universal ALChemy" -- can do software OpenAL with EAX. Doesn't work in Wine, unfortunately. [02:44] why did you switch to linux? [02:44] One big thing was the font rendering, in fact. [02:44] Even on my old (100DPI) laptop, I'd notice I could read the screen all day with little eyestrain in Linux... but after just 10 minutes in Windows, my eyes would be hurting. [02:44] The multi-device features of PulseAudio are another big one. [02:45] Oh, and don't forget compiz -- for things like magic-lamp and "scale". [02:45] fonts in xp are absurdly bad [02:45] vista is good though [02:45] I mean Vista, though. [02:45] well vista has antialiased fonts on the desktop [02:45] My new laptop has a 147 DPI display; Linux tends to deal well with DPI scaling; Windows apps, not as well. [02:46] Depends on the application, of course. [02:46] but i thought fonts were much better on linux even say 8 or 9 years ago [02:46] xp made such a big meal out of changing font sizes and types, and still does [02:47] i have an issue on my ubuntu system, kernels > 2.6.28-12-generic don't boot [02:47] when i get to gdm, all my input/output doesn't work and then i get the capslock light switch blink... can anyone help me [02:47] 8 years ago when kde was still good you could change every font size on the system with one checkbox [02:48] caps-lock blinking is a kernel panic. [02:49] I wish somebody would make a noise-cancelling thing for array microphones in Linux. [02:49] My array mic pics up my CPU fan and hard drive... and my typing. The Windows audio drivers manage to remove those noises somehow. [02:50] DanaG, what do i do [02:50] bjsnider: oh yeah, another thing with Creative: they never did ever say "Our license expired"... they said "It's not supported in Vista". That's what's so bad. The blatant lie... it had worked perfectly fine the week before, before the beta drivers timebombed, and worked fine for Dell. So "licensing" is irrelevant to that explanation. [02:51] dotslash: try editing the grub thingy to boot without "quiet splash", and with "text". [02:51] That'll give you boot messages, and prevent it from trying to start GDM. [02:52] DanaG, they only lied because it was the easiest way to get what they wanted. [02:52] menu.lst? [02:52] You can just hit 'e' right at the grub screen. [02:52] Oh yeah, and same was true of 6.1 support... it worked in the beta. "Not Supported." [02:53] 6.1 is a bit hackish, anyway -- not even Linux supports it. [02:53] why do those horizontal red lines appear from time to time? [02:55] oh yeah, and apparently the expresscard xfxa card is really an hda-intel. [02:55] good night. fre 7 aug 2009 03.58.33 CEST [02:55] Oh yeah, and I opened my cardbus audigy2 to see what it had in it; the answer: CA0109-01AG [02:56] er, maybe it's just "1AG", not "01AG". [02:56] Oh yeah, and desupporting cards while still selling them.... is also scummy. You can't have your cake and eat it too: if you desupport it, then STOP SELLING IT! [02:57] this is fast becoming DanaG's bash creative channel [02:58] anyway, I guess I am way off-topic there; /me pipes that topic to /dev/null [02:58] oh yeah, and my USB sound card works nicely enough. biggest gripe: Turtle Beach thought it would be cool to have a bright yellow LED that BLINKS when the card is active. [02:59] So, I have to shove the thing in a corner. [03:00] sounds like you could hang a disco ball and have a party with it..lmao [03:00] nah, it's not cool enough for that. [03:01] Speaking of blinking... the default behavior of iwlagn cards in Linux is to blink on activity. I had to google how to disable that, because it's godawful annoying. [03:01] And distracting. [03:01] It'd be easier if it were at least a module parameter. [03:02] paint them red and hang them by the window and people will think your running a ho house..lol [03:02] them? [03:02] what's "them"? [03:02] one on the wlan card and the one on the sound. [03:03] nope, I just stuck the sound card back behind my desk, and added an if-up.d file to disable blinking. [03:04] i leave the light on my monitor blinking when the screen goes blank so people think my computer is off and then they dont mess with it. [03:05] oh yeah, fun thing: I can play neverball with my laptop. Not "on", but "with". [03:05] =þ [03:05] ... not that I actually like that game all that much. [03:06] ok well hope it gets better for ya im out for the night been a long day time to rest ...see ya.:D [03:07] Is there some app out there that can perform a specific command when it detects a joystick passing a certain point? [03:08] I want to make it so that if somebody picks up my laptop, it says "Put me down!". [03:18] Hey all. just upgraded to test Karmic on an ancient T40 notebook. [03:18] everything is working save Do and notify. [03:19] instead of the app there is just a rectangular plaid window. [03:19] no visual effects on. [03:20] you don't have any opengl capability [03:20] no compositing [03:20] it worked ok in previous versions. [03:20] without visual effect on. [03:21] ever since i upgraded to alpha devede fails to generate menus is there a fix for this? [03:21] ugh, I'm bored. [03:23] theron, which graphics card? [03:24] zaccour, try reinstalling devede or install tovid for making dvd files in the cli [03:26] DanaG, watch that movie "Face/Off 2: The Final Revenge of Castor" [03:27] bjsnider: radeon [03:29] theron, which one? [03:30] theron, open up a console and run "lspci" [03:31] lspci | grep VGA [03:31] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] [03:34] ok, so no more fglrx for that [03:34] you'll be using only the xf86-video-ati driver from now on [03:35] which uh.. i dunno what the state of that thing is [03:35] try glxgears [03:35] try glxinfo [03:38] bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/m7ce69ee9 [03:39] well, you've got 3d on that setup [03:39] compiz should work and so should the other items you mentioned [03:39] compiz won't enable. [03:39] i'm impressed [03:39] notify = plaid Gnome do = plaid [03:39] i thought that driver much much worse than that [03:39] lol [03:40] I love this notebook, I don't need compiz, but I'd like to use Do again someday on this notebook. [03:40] try running compiz --replace from the console to check the potential problem report [03:41] interesting. that started compiz will post to pastebin. [03:42] theron, try fgl_glxgears [03:43] BluesKaj: not installed [03:43] you should get a spinning cube with rotating gears [03:43] sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx [03:44] bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/m14c69bba [03:44] i think fglrx support for that old chip was removed [03:45] Does anybody know when gnome-zeitgeist will be available in the Karmic repos? [03:45] i think you'd need xgl [03:47] bummer , I used to use it on my onboard ati x200, but no more spinning cubes with gears on them eith nvidia gt7600 ...there's one in compiz but it's lame [03:47] err 7600gt [03:47] bjsnider: any way to keep this enabled from boot? [03:49] try installing xgl [03:49] xgl? bah. [03:49] xgl is an old hack. [03:49] Obsolete. [03:49] aiglx [03:49] =þ [03:50] hmm, if you were to save the fgl_glxgears binary somewhere, could you use it on a different opengl driver? [04:37] anyone know what killed screenlets in Karmic? it was working before I updated this afternoon. [04:38] anyone else had issues with screenlets? [04:38] this gnome-panel crap is pissing me off. [04:38] anyone? [04:38] beuller? [04:38] beuller? [04:39] my current trouble is with compiz [04:39] jfc, whats the point of 170 ppl idling in an IRC channel? [04:39] it wont come on [04:39] geh [04:39] xim_ oh. [04:39] maybe they're related? [04:39] I haven't checked to see if compiz is acting up or not. [04:39] hmm maybe [04:39] whats the control panel called? [04:40] what's the compiz control panel called again? [04:40] (no menu) [04:40] it was on the screenlets [04:40] im trying to turn it on with system>preferences>appearance>visual effects> * extras [04:40] or theres also ccsm [04:41] but im not sure if that turns it on or just changes its settings [04:42] wth, I have no visual effects [04:42] :-( [04:43] did it sayt hey couldnt be enabled? [04:43] no, there wasn't even a menu option for it! [04:43] that's odd [04:43] hmmm... perhaps this is a lead in my problem. [04:43] its a tab usually [04:44] yeah, when I clicked on "Display", it barfed about not being able to control my video card and asking if I wanted to launch the vendor's tool [04:44] * SodaPhish has an nVidia chipset [04:44] do you have the restricted drivers? [04:44] ja [04:44] i just installed mine [04:44] but ive been playing tons of 3d games and they work [04:45] yeah, I've been playing UrT and it works great [04:45] that's not the issue [04:45] just wondering if the whole compiz issue is some how related to my inability to run screenlets. [04:45] yeah iono dawg [04:45] I know screenlets has an option to use a "widget" layer. [04:46] actually i have a screenlet running right now [04:46] bstard! [04:46] but it was preset in my settings in my home folder [04:46] well, I need to be able to run ANY of them. [04:46] right now, I got a big nothing [04:46] * SodaPhish is sweating his nuts off 'cause the kids won't leave the air on in their room... omg [04:48] what ver of python you got? [04:48] 2.6 or 2.5? both? [04:49] im not sure, whatever came on karmic [04:49] huzah! [04:49] I got one to run... [04:49] 2.6 runs on karmic [04:49] err, ships with it. [04:50] huzah! [04:50] I just had to nuke the config for each of the screenlets [04:50] then it workd [04:50] yay [04:51] hmm maybe i should nuke my compiz folder [04:51] good idea [04:51] http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/hitachi-one-ups-wd-with-industry-first-2tb-7200rpm-3-5-inch-hard [04:51] er [04:51] random for this channel.. [04:52] meant to paste it elsewhere. [04:52] well, I wasn't extending that as a fix to you, but if you try it and it works, I'll take the credit. [04:52] ;-) [04:52] man thats retarded [04:52] new hd technology [04:52] hds in the future will be totally impossible to retreive data from [04:53] if they crash [04:53] hah [04:53] no they won't [04:54] glad to see that evolution in karmic doesn't suck total balls [04:54] it was so ungodly slow [04:54] awsome im trying it [04:54] it says it runs on sqlite [04:54] which is probably why [04:54] well, whatever they did to improve speed, I'm glad [04:55] 'cause it was un-useable before [04:55] now, its screaming right along [04:55] sqlite is awsome, i use it for applications [04:55] 'course, this new laptop might help that too... [04:55] ;-) [04:55] (dual-core 3.0ghz, 4gb ram, etc.) [04:55] this HP EliteBook 8530w worked right out of the box -- EVERYTHING, even the freakin' webcam worked! [04:56] * DanaG has one of the same laptop. [04:56] Awesome piece of hardware. [04:56] on linux? [04:56] its fairly stunning to me, 'cause I've had Linux on a number of laptops [04:56] and they've all been a bugger [04:56] yeah, running karmic on it right now [04:56] Just wish HP had offered the webcam when I bought mine. [04:56] DanaG: is it not the hotest little rig you've used? [04:56] Oh, and I wish I'd gotten on-site service. =þ [04:57] But it's a badass piece of hardware. [04:57] I don't know wth I'll do with the webcam, but I've got it. [04:57] ;-) [04:57] Best I've ever used. [04:57] yeah, its pretty swank, love it. only had it two days. [04:57] Even has an accelerometer, though the axes are reversed. [04:57] ? [04:57] a whodawhat? [04:57] A position sensor. [04:57] its like my Caddy -- every time I use it, I find something new on it. [04:57] ;-) [04:58] install the 'joystick' package and stick this in /etc/rc.local: [04:58] jscal -u 3,1,0,2,0 /dev/input/js0 2>/dev/null || true [04:58] Then you can play neverball with it. [04:58] ? [04:58] neverball? [04:58] wth is that? [04:58] It's a ball-on-tilting-table sort of game. [05:00] oh, sweet [05:00] that'd be cool if the display would rotate and fold-down like a tablet [05:01] Yeah, I wish I could combine this thing with the 2730p tablet. [05:02] hah! [05:08] What CPU and video card and LCD did you get? [05:09] I got P8600, ATI, and 1920x1200 -- and I had to customize to order to get that. [05:10] isn't 19x12 about the most glorious thing ever. [05:10] Yup. 147 DPI is purely wonderful. [05:10] Best fonts I've ever used anywhere -- gives a subjective feel sort of like paper. [05:11] Now, if only Xorg would handle keycodes > 255, I could use the fancy hotkeys. [05:12] why did you buy a system with an Accelerated Graphical Interruptions card? [05:17] I wanted open drivers AND lower power usage. And I like the ATI windows drivers better than the NV ones. [05:17] And fglrx works well enough for now. [05:19] unbelievable [05:20] do you expect a working radeon or radeonhd driver at some point in the future? [05:20]