[03:22] <lfaraone> Hey, is it intentional that typing a query in the address bar or in the search box in Karmic uses Google's Custom Search, and if so, why may I ask?
[03:26] <dtchen> yes. see query.
[03:40] <ghindo> Does anybody know when gnome-zeitgeist will be available in the Karmic repos?
[03:49] <lfaraone> !query
[03:49] <lfaraone> dtchen: Sorry, not sure what you're refering to.
[03:51] <dtchen> lfaraone: see your private message.
[04:00] <lfaraone> dtchen: Ah.
[08:07] <StevenK> Heh, that has to be an old situation. The i386 ISO is oversized by 1MB, and amd64 is undersized by 29.
[08:49] <pitti> Good morning
[08:50] <pitti> StevenK: I can easily do that from my bzr branch, but go ahead
[08:50] <StevenK> pitti: Er, do what? I've completly lost context
[08:51] <pitti> oops, I meant stefanlsd
[09:02] <freeflying> are we about to use blueman to replace gnome-bluetooth in karmic?
[09:31] <bryce> mdz, mind adding that gpu lockup script to wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[09:41] <mdz> bryce: it's on my other laptop up in my room. sorry I didn't send it to you earlier; I thought I had
[09:51] <pitti> mbiebl: hi! doing the libatasmart package update FYI
[09:52] <pitti> I need that for some debugging
[10:03] <sebner> pitti: good to know =)
[10:09] <mathiaz> sbeattie: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24728388/mysql-server-5.0.py
[10:10] <mathiaz> sbeattie: bug 354188
[10:10] <mathiaz> sbeattie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingMySQL
[10:25] <ogasawara> MacSlow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds
[10:26] <MacSlow> ogasawara, thanks
[10:27] <daniele_982> it's Italian or English language?
[10:31] <daniele_982> same good guide to configuring and starting a git server??
[10:31] <pitti> that involves sacrificing at least a chicken and a dance with some dinosaur tooth
[10:37] <sebner> pitti: I'm wondering how this will work out since libatasmart0 != libatasmart4 and former isn't uninstallable.
[10:37] <sebner> rebuild orgy?
[10:37] <pitti> sebner: I'm currently preparing a devkit-disks rebuild
[10:37] <pitti> sebner: but you can install both in parallel
[10:37] <sebner> done :)
[10:38] <pitti> any better?
[10:38] <sebner> pitti: I thought waiting for the devkit-disks rebuild to see any results?!
[10:38] <pitti> you can test it with /lib/udev/devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart /dev/sd...
[10:39] <pitti> that should cause the resets with the old version at least
[10:39] <pitti> if not, it's not the bug I'm talking about all the time
[10:39] <pitti> I'm tracking down bug 387161
[10:40] <sebner> pitti: dito ;)
[10:40] <sebner> pitti: LOOOOL. Harddrive working now xD
[10:40] <pitti> \o/
[10:40] <pitti> sebner: you grabbed the .debs straight from LP?
[10:41] <sebner> pitti: sure
[10:41] <pitti> yay, thanks for testing
[10:41] <pitti> can you please comment on the bug?
[10:41] <sebner> pitti: folder created under media now is named "/media/4777707B117F74F2" but nvm ^^
[10:41] <pitti> I'll ask the other submitters as well with some further instructions
[10:41] <pitti> sebner: that's a different problem
[10:42] <sebner> pitti: at least it's working. I'll comment on LP
[10:42] <pitti> sebner: many thanks for testing
[10:42] <sebner> pitti: many thanks for fixing ;)
[10:43] <pitti> meh, current dk-disks doesn't build against libatasmart 0.14
[10:48] <mathiaz> sbeattie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249136/
[10:52] <gp_will_be_back> hey guys pl help me ...............my ubuntu has crashed ...........while boot it says : unable to mount /dev/disk/by-uid/d125634 blah blah  does not exits ...droping to shell
[10:53] <gp_will_be_back> i thought ubuntu never crashed
[10:53] <sebner> pitti: interesting thing! I renamed the 95-devkit rules file back and the harddrive is again not working with the -71 error
[10:54] <gp_will_be_back> in ubuntu supprt chanel ...they are advicing to re-install
[10:54] <gp_will_be_back> looks like windows isnt it
[10:55] <gp_will_be_back> even pointer to some article would be helpful
[10:55] <gp_will_be_back> u guys are my last home
[10:55] <gp_will_be_back> ^hope
[10:55] <mdz> bryce: er, I didn't forget to send that script to you. :-)
[10:55] <gp_will_be_back> my research paper and data was on the disk :-(
[10:55] <mdz> bryce: I filed it in a bug report and blogged about it at http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/06/17/collecting-debug-information-when-your-gpu-hangs/
[10:56] <pitti> sebner: but calling d-probe-ata-smart manually doesn't cause this?
[10:56] <bryce> mdz, okay, then it's probably buried in my todo list somewhere
[10:57] <sebner> pitti: I'll check later. I have to leave now
[10:58] <bryce> mdz, I talked with jbarnes about adding a better in-server way to catch these freezes and either reset the gpu or raise an apport-triggerable cue, and code to implement this has been written and is somewhere on the conveyor belt coming towards us
[10:58] <mdz> bryce: ok, let me know if I can do anything to help
[10:59] <bryce> thanks
[10:59] <pitti> sebner: oh, I know why
[10:59] <pitti> sebner: the dk-prober still uses the old libatasmart library
[10:59] <pitti> sebner: I fixed dk-disks, uploading now (building against new library)
[11:00] <bryce> Sarvatt: http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/node/84#comment-5344
[11:02] <gp_will_be_back> can anyone help
[11:02] <gp_will_be_back> my roomates are making fun of ubuntu :-(
[11:04] <bryce> gp_will_be_back, just smile and drink their beer when they're not looking
[11:05] <gp_will_be_back> hmmm ....is there any way to fix the my system
[11:05] <gp_will_be_back> ...........while boot it says : unable to mount /dev/disk/by-uid/d125634 blah blah  does not exits ...droping to shell
[11:06] <gp_will_be_back> it just came out of the blue
[11:07] <gp_will_be_back> i though journaling file system like ext3 was better
[11:12] <slangasek> gp_will_be_back: journaling filesystems are better than non-journaling filesystems, as a general rule.  If you're saying that you recently changed your filesystem type, then that may account for the boot being unable to find your disk, since the UUID of a partition is part of the filesystem metadata.
[11:12] <slangasek> gp_will_be_back: when it drops you to the shell, run 'ls /dev/disk/by-uuid' to confirm that the kernel can still see /some/ disk
[11:14] <slangasek> this is not a help channel, however, and you haven't really given much of the information that would be needed to help you (what version of Ubuntu you're running, what kind of disk you're booting from, etc).  If you're not finding help in the correct channels on IRC (#ubuntu), you're probably better off trying the Ubuntu Forums
[11:14] <gp_will_be_back> ls ls /dev/disk/by-uuid is getting listed
[11:14] <gp_will_be_back> i can see one file
[11:15] <gp_will_be_back> i am using jaunty
[11:17] <gp_will_be_back> tried ubuntu nobody could help with uid issue there ................since my laptop is down ....my friend has lended me his system ....i cant wait forums to reply
[11:17] <slangasek> what is the one file?
[11:17] <gp_will_be_back> please help me
[11:18] <slangasek> what does 'ls /dev/disk/by-id' show?
[11:18] <gp_will_be_back> c1b5187-f0aa-8aca-a5f7663e9238
[11:19] <slangasek> you might want to consider getting an Ubuntu liveCD and booting your system from that - that should a) give you access to your disk, b) give you time to reach the forums to fully debug this problem
[11:19] <StevenK> That isn't close to the error message you typed earlier
[11:19] <gp_will_be_back> ...........while boot it says : unable to mount /dev/disk/by-uid/d125634 blah blah  does not exits ...droping to shell :--->>> this file is not there
[11:20] <slangasek> ok, and 'ls /dev/disk/by-id'?
[11:20] <gp_will_be_back> c1b5187-f0aa-8aca-a5f7663e9238
[11:20] <slangasek> that's under by-id, not under by-uuid?
[11:21] <gp_will_be_back> sorry its by-uuid
[11:21] <gp_will_be_back> by-id there 8 files
[11:22] <slangasek> do they appear to show the names of your hard drive?
[11:22] <gp_will_be_back> some thing like scsi ata for each id
[11:22] <slangasek> so it sounds like your disk is seen, but the uuid has changed.  Hopefully you haven't somehow managed to delete the partition table, and you just need to get the UUID in your boot config fixed
[11:23] <gp_will_be_back> its scsi-1ata_st960... ata_960
[11:23] <slangasek> again, I would suggest doing this by getting a liveCD to use for recovery
[11:24] <gp_will_be_back> well i recovered the data by running ........sudo e2fsck /dev/sda1 and then mounting
[11:24] <gp_will_be_back> in live cd
[11:24] <slangasek> why did you need to run e2fsck?
[11:25] <gp_will_be_back> bcos fsck3 was giving errors
[11:26] <slangasek> so you were having other errors /before/ you had this current boot problem?
[11:26] <gp_will_be_back> no
[11:26] <gp_will_be_back> it was running fine as horse
[11:26] <slangasek> then why did you run any fsck command?
[11:27] <gp_will_be_back> bcos it was mounting the system
[11:27] <gp_will_be_back> so i went into live cd ....tried mounting and failed
[11:27] <gp_will_be_back> then fsk3
[11:28] <gp_will_be_back> then e2fsk
[11:28] <gp_will_be_back> then i rebooted
[11:28] <gp_will_be_back> thats after taking backup
[11:29] <gp_will_be_back> after i saw same uid error
[11:29] <slangasek> if you already have backups of your data, I think you'll find it much more straightforward to reinstall, then restore your data.
[11:30] <slangasek> if you don't want to do that, I think booting from a liveCD and seeking help in the forums is your better option
[11:30] <gp_will_be_back> just like windoZ
[11:30] <gp_will_be_back> thanks
[11:30] <slangasek> IRC is usually not a very effective medium for walking through complex problems of this nature, and this is not a help channel...
[11:31] <gp_will_be_back> what filesystem is more stable and wont crash again ex3 or ext4 ?
[11:31] <liw> all filesystems are complicated enough that no implementation of them is totally bug-free, so any filesystem may some day crash, if you are unlucky
[11:31] <liw> (sorry if that is unhelpful)
[11:32] <slangasek> what you're describing here was not a filesystem crash.  A filesystem crash would not have caused the UUID of your partition to change.
[11:32] <gp_will_be_back> which one should i use
[11:32] <liw> (also, what slangasek said)
[11:32] <slangasek> the default and recommended filesystem in Ubuntu 9.04 is ext3
[11:34] <Riddell> asac: Lucas Nussbaum
[11:42] <pitti> kirkland: so, GNOME checks the devkit-poper property
[11:42] <pitti> kirkland: see devkit-power --dump
[11:42] <pitti> can-hibernate    yes
[11:43] <pitti> kirkland: i. e. it'd need to grow a d-bus API to inhibit hibernation (ATM the property is read-only)
[11:43] <pitti> sice you want to control it on a per-user/per-login basis
[11:43]  * cjwatson would appreciate an archive admin having a look at partman-iscsi
[11:43] <pitti> kirkland: I advice you to open an upstream bug against devicekit-power and discuss it with Richard there, he's very responsive
[11:44] <kirkland> pitti: cool, thanks.
[11:47] <zul> james_w: have you see this before? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/249163/
[12:12] <ojwb> [
[12:15] <james_w> zul: looks like you did a "bzr checkout http://..."?
[12:16] <james_w> ah, no, I see it
[12:16] <james_w> "bzr unbind" should allow you to work
[12:16] <zul> thanks
[12:28] <mathiaz> sbeattie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249177/
[12:31] <bluefoxicy> brasero needs a "burn to CD as MP3 files" option
[12:31]  * bluefoxicy burns 75min to an 80min CD and brasero reports it's going to be 735mb for a 700mb cd
[12:32] <bluefoxicy> and it just went ahead and wrote 766mb o.o
[12:37] <s0u][ight> hello
[12:38] <s0u][ight> i have a suggestion/question
[12:39] <hyperair> !ask | s0u][ight
[12:39] <s0u][ight> since most common laptops (and pc's) nowadays have a rescue partition in stead of an install cd, and since these can only be used by calling a restore application which will somehow interact with the windows bootloader and make it boot into the rescue partition
[12:40] <s0u][ight> installing grub kills this feature
[12:41] <s0u][ight> i have tryed to boot into this partition using grub, it failed
[12:41] <s0u][ight> reinstalled the windows bootloader (don't ask me how i did it, spend all day to get my original bootloader back)
[12:41] <s0u][ight> and tryed it again and it worked
[12:42] <s0u][ight> is it normal that actually installing ubuntu is killing this capability, shouldn't you guys prevent this from happening, and now the real question: is there a way to boot into linux using the windows bootloader
[12:44] <Hobbsee> to the latter, yes, iirc
[12:45] <s0u][ight> Hobbsee do you also know how?
[12:45]  * Hobbsee is looking for info on it
[12:46] <s0u][ight> i managed to fix the issue, i can now always reinstall the windows bootloader, but i don't think that will be the case for a lot of users
[12:47] <Hobbsee> s0u][ight: it's alluded to in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot  - iirc, tha tpage used to have more info on it in the past, but  would have been for XP
[12:48] <Hobbsee> a google search may provide more info, though
[12:49] <s0u][ight> Hobbsee found a lot about xp and stuff
[12:49] <s0u][ight> bot nothin' i consider up to date
[12:50] <cjwatson> s0u][ight: I consider it a bug that the installer didn't detect your recovery partition and add a boot entry to the grub configuration to let you boot insinto it
[12:51] <cjwatson> s0u][ight: not that I necessarily know how to do this in your case
[12:51] <cjwatson> but I know we do this in some cases
[12:51] <cjwatson> so be careful about generalising from the failure in your case to say that it breaks for everyone, because I don't think that's true :)
[12:52] <s0u][ight> cjwatson no it detects but the rescue partition doesn't work that way
[12:52] <s0u][ight> first an application in the windows vista environment has to know that you want to recover
[12:54] <cjwatson> if the windows bootloader can boot into the recovery partition, so could grub
[12:54] <cjwatson> we just need to figure out how
[12:54] <s0u][ight> cjwatson booting isn't a problem
[12:54] <s0u][ight> it boots into the rescue partition fine
[12:55] <s0u][ight> the app that makes the boot crashes
[12:55] <s0u][ight> telling rescue fails
[12:55] <cjwatson> the fact that they happen to implement this by way of an application doesn't mean that that application is required
[12:56] <s0u][ight> hmm, actually i only tryed booting into 1 rescue partition
[12:56] <s0u][ight> but i have 2 partitions that work together afaik
[12:56] <s0u][ight> never tryed booting into the other one
[12:56] <s0u][ight> maybe that way it'll work
[12:57] <s0u][ight> but got to go now, (friday prayer) laters all ;)
[13:03] <sbeattie> cjwatson: is there a reason the zsync files didn't show for the ubuntu-server daily images?
[13:05] <cjwatson> sbeattie: not intentional ...
[13:07] <cjwatson> sbeattie: the log *says* it made one
[13:53] <bwright> Where can I find documentation on initialize_main() and other functions used in coreutils?
[14:12] <arand> Validation of a pkg upload to -proposed, how long does that normally take? And is it especially busy currently with 9.10 in parallell?
[14:23] <cjwatson> bwright: that's just part of coreutils itself - it's not a system facility
[14:24] <cjwatson> bwright: at least not on our system. I think it might be a VMS function or something used for compatibility
[14:24] <cjwatson> bwright: see src/system.h
[14:25] <bwright> cjwatson, Thanks.
[14:27] <cjwatson> the comments suggest that it handled redirection and wildcard expansion on VMS, where the program had to take care of that itself rather than having the shell do it
[14:36] <tseliot> cjwatson: do transitional packages need to have Section: oldlibs in debian/control or does that affect only libraries?
[14:37] <tseliot> just to be sure
[14:38] <slangasek> tseliot: it's normally only used for actual libraries, not arbitrary transitional packages
[14:38] <slangasek> "oldlibs" implies "libs we keep around because third-party software needs it", not "transitional packages"
[14:39] <tseliot> slangasek: aah, ok. Thanks for the explanation
[14:46] <sebner> pitti: also with new devicekit-disks the issue is *not* fixed when having the rules file normally named!
[14:49] <sebner> pitti: I also can't execute your posted commands .. No such file or directory :(
[14:49] <pitti> sebner: apt-get install libatasmart-bin ?
[14:49] <pitti> sebner: hm, if these commands don't reproduce the crash, it must be something else entirely
[14:50] <sebner> pitti: already installed
[14:52] <mbiebl> pitti: thanks
[14:52] <pitti> sebner: and you don't have skdump?
[14:52] <sebner> pitti: sebner@ubuntu:~$ sudo skdump /dev/sdb1
[14:52] <sebner> Failed to open disk /dev/sdb1: No such file or directory
[14:53] <sebner> no sdb* represent in /dev
[14:55] <cjwatson> seb128: are you doing syncs just at the moment?
[14:56] <cjwatson> tseliot: it's sensible for transitional packages too, although not mandatory
[14:56] <pitti> sebner: ah
[14:56] <seb128> cjwatson, I just did a quick one for kenvandine
[14:56] <pitti> sebner: well, whatever the hard disk is which has the problem
[14:56] <seb128> cjwatson, need to do some or do you want me to do another one?
[14:56] <cjwatson> sla	hmm, we disagree apparently :)
[14:56] <pitti> seb128: also, not '1', but the raw device
[14:56] <sebner> pitti: hm?
[14:56] <seb128> pitti, what?
[14:56] <pitti> sorry, "sebner"
[14:56] <tseliot> cjwatson: ah, good to know. Thanks
[14:57] <sebner> pitti: my external harddrive usually is on sdb1 but I'm not that dumb and of course tried pure sdb .. I told you no sdb* present ;)
[14:57] <cjwatson> seb128: ok, I just wanted to give muharem some archive training
[14:57] <seb128> cjwatson, it's all yours
[14:57] <seb128> I did the one I wanted to do
[14:57] <pitti> sebner: sure; can you check dmesg about what's the actual device?
[14:57] <maco> sebner: remembering that external is sdb is very important. i still havent re-ripped all my music from the time i forgot that and did an install
[14:58] <sebner> pitti: [21183.928940]  sdb: sdb1
[14:58] <sebner> maco: hmm? I know that  external is sdb ;)
[14:58] <maco> just dont forget it midway through install :P
[14:59] <sebner> maco: I'm using ubuntu for 3 years now .. don't worry ;)
[14:59] <Riddell> evand: usb-creator merge for you
[15:00] <maco> sebner: mistakes happen :P
[15:01] <sebner> maco: well .. true but be more afraid that I don't break any packages you use (I'm MOTU) ;)
[15:02] <iulian> We're all breaking something, someday.
[15:03] <sebner> iulian: Breaking stuff is fun \o/
[15:03] <sebner> well except hardware maybe ^^
[15:11] <evand> Riddell: Merged, thanks!
[15:12] <evand> Riddell: Feel free to commit such things directly in the future.  (~core-dev is in ~usb-creator-hackers)
[15:12] <evand> I'm equally happy to take merges though
[15:12] <Riddell> evand: right, so it is
[15:30] <sebner> pitti: as I can remember with this -71 error my harddrive never appears in /dev O_o
[15:32] <mathiaz> james_w: could you import schroot pkg in LP?
[15:33] <beuno> pitti, hi. Let's say I wanted to know what version of gnome karmic is shipping, just by looking at Launchpad. Where would I look>
[15:33] <beuno> ?
[15:34] <beuno> I defaulted to: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2
[15:34] <beuno> but 2.22 doesn't sound right
[15:34] <pitti> beuno: I'd use "rmadison gnome-panel"
[15:34] <pitti> beuno: at launchpad, use https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session
[15:34] <pitti> beuno: no, we aren't using meta-gnome
[15:35] <beuno> pitti, so, basically, "find a key gnome package, and use that?"
[15:35] <pitti> right
[15:35] <beuno> I'm trying to automate something
[15:35] <pitti> gnome-session is probably representative
[15:35] <beuno> ok, that complicates things for me quite a bit
[15:36] <beuno> but I guess it's no fun otherwise, right?   :)
[15:36] <beuno> thanks pitti
[15:37] <james_w> mathiaz: thought I did that one the other day!
[15:38]  * directhex links cve 2009-0217 to bug #409920
[15:38] <james_w> mathiaz: spurious failure, I've retried it
[15:43] <liw> the printing dialog that firefox, epiphany, and other gnome apps use, probably comes from some shared package -- I need to file a bug against it, what's the packag ename?
[15:43] <liw> libgnomeprintui2.2-0 ?
[15:47] <beuno> pitti, one more question. Is there anywhere on Launchpad (or elsewhere if not) that I can see all the packages shipped in the default installation?
[15:53] <davmor2> pitti: Jockey seems to be refusing to install the fglrx drivers on my ati box with todays iso
[15:54] <directhex> davmor2, is dkms present & correct?
[15:56] <davmor2> directhex: ii dkms 2.0.21.1-ubun~
[15:59] <davmor2> directhex: ii dkms 2.0.21.1-ubuntu3 to be complete
[16:06] <Riddell> asac: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase
[16:07] <Riddell> asac: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager
[16:09] <Riddell> asac: also need   libknotificationitem-dev  build-dep for that  and may as well install  kdebase-workspace-dev too so you don't have to compile the whole thing
[16:12] <Riddell> asac: mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..; cd <what you want to compile>; make
[17:08] <papa_> hi guys
[18:19] <Gadi> is there a way for me to build the linux-backports-modules source package for a single arch?
[22:12] <gigabytes> hello
[22:14] <gigabytes> I saw the wiki pages about the hardware support for macbooks. Specifically for my model there are some piece of hardware that need manual configuration, or to install additional packages from the external mactel repository. Are those packages planned to be included in the next ubuntu release?
[22:25] <loic-m> gigabytes: you can check if some packages are in good way to be included in next release by checking if there's at least a needs-packaging bug open in launchpad, and see how far it has gone (including checking on REVU if the package has been submitted, and if the submitter has been responsive to input, and if not take charge yourself for the packages you're interested in)
[22:26] <loic-m> If there's no bug in Launchpad and the package isn't in Karmic yet, it's your responsibility to at least fill a needs-packaging bug, else nobody knows what's needed ;)
[22:27] <gigabytes> ok
[22:27] <gigabytes> loic-m: so I file this bug on launchpad, the community "knows" that the package is needed to make ubuntu work on that hardware model, and then if the package is stable and actively mainteined by someone, it will be included?
[22:29] <loic-m> gigabytes: you first check nobody's working on it by checking if a bug is open in Launchpad, and if not you fill the bug. You can also check in Debian and fill another bug in Debian (RFP - request for packaging)
[22:29] <gigabytes> loic-m: other than packages, there are some manual workarounds to do, like adding entries in /etc/modules or in the modules blacklist. Another manual setting to do is the synaptic trackpad configuration. How can I help to make those things done automatically?
[22:30] <loic-m> gigabytes: then considering the huge number of progrrams people would like packaged and the really low number of people actually willing to package them, it might be faster to learn how to do it yourself and start working on it ;) else it can take years
[22:31] <gigabytes> loic-m: maybe you didn't understand. The packages already exist
[22:31] <gigabytes> they're on launchpad
[22:31] <gigabytes> I don't have to package anything
[22:31] <loic-m> gigabytes: for configurations and tweaks, you'll want to checks there's at least bug reports for the bugs, else nobody will know about them, fill them yourself if needed, see on #ubuntu-bugs
[22:32] <gigabytes> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Jaunty this is the page
[22:32] <gigabytes> loic-m: ok
[22:32] <loic-m> gigabytes: the fact some packages are on launchpad doesn't mean the packager is doing any work to see them included, nor that they are good enough to be included in their actual state
[22:33] <gigabytes> ok
[22:33] <loic-m> (copyright issues, bad packaging, etc...)
[22:33] <gigabytes> loic-m: can't I simply file a bug like "those things are not automatically recognized by the default ubuntu install" and point to that wiki page?
[22:34] <loic-m> then for configuration issues and tweaks, the easiest is if the bug is reported upstream and the fix gets included upstream, else you can get involved with the respective teams (kernel, ubuntu-x, etc..)
[22:35] <loic-m> gigabytes: no, because there's thousands of wiki pages and only like 2 or 3 people actually able to fix the bugs on each team (and they already have enough work with bugs people care enough to fill properly and help them for testing, etc)
[22:36] <gigabytes> ok
[22:36] <gigabytes> it makes sense :D
[22:36] <gigabytes> loic-m: thank you
[22:38] <loic-m> gigabytes: you're welcome. The idea is that there's about zero chance anything gets fixed unless it gets reported properly, and then there's so much already to do that doing a good job communicating and pre-processing the info can help reduce the delay it gets fixed from a few years to one or two years only ;)
[22:39] <gigabytes> eheh
[22:39] <gigabytes> I hope It won't take two years to fix those things
[22:40] <gigabytes> I hope I could cleanly install ubuntu on my laptop at least in 10.4
[22:40] <gigabytes> thank you
[22:43] <loic-m> gigabytes: and don't forget to nicely ask Apple if they could be nicer with Linux by using less proprietary hardware and working with distributions/upstreams so their hardware can actually work in Linux
[22:44] <StevenK> loic-m: HA HA
[22:45] <loic-m> StevenK: I was actually tempted by MBP 13' before I read that page on the wiki ;D
[22:45] <loic-m> That and their obstination to put mirrors where you'd expect a screen
[22:46] <gigabytes> loic-m: well that's another point
[22:46] <gigabytes> apple doesn't gain anything from linux working well on their machines
[22:46] <gigabytes> so i don't think they'll change their strategy in this area..
[22:47] <loic-m> gigabytes: as long as Linux users keep buying their hw they won't gain anything working with Linux :P
[22:49] <loic-m> gigabytes: but even if you send the letter after you've bought it, it's still better than nothing. Tell them your laptop is as usefull as a brick, even though it's an nice looking brick.
[22:54] <gigabytes> loic-m: the point is that its untrue, at least for me..
[22:54] <gigabytes> I use OSX for the daily work
[22:54] <gigabytes> so my laptop is a lot useful
[22:54] <gigabytes> linux is more an hobby...
[22:54] <gigabytes> so I can't send those kind of letters..
[23:07]  * directhex uses a 24" imac as his office desktop - it's been running ubuntu since day 1, and rarely sees osx
[23:43] <directhex> new f-spot!
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> directhex - yay \o/
[23:44] <directhex> Laney can package it. he loves f-spot packaging!
[23:44] <chrisccoulson> its quite a significant update isn't it?
[23:44] <directhex> AFAIK
[23:44] <directhex> it should also have some build system fixes which should eliminate needless deps
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> i keep having a look in git every now and again, and i see a lot is changing
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> i can't wait to use it :)