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lool | Hi there | 15:59 |
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ogra | where ? | 15:59 |
* pgraner waves | 15:59 | |
heno | hey | 16:00 |
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* fader_ waves. | 16:00 | |
ttx | o/ | 16:00 |
slangasek | hello | 16:01 |
slangasek | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is slangasek. | 16:01 |
MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
slangasek | [LINK] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-08-07 | 16:01 |
MootBot | LINK received: Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-08-07 | 16:01 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] QA Team | 16:01 |
MootBot | New Topic: QA Team | 16:01 |
slangasek | so, let's dive right in :) | 16:01 |
* ogra puts on the snorkel | 16:02 | |
fader_ | Hardware testing: | 16:02 |
fader_ | http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html | 16:02 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html | 16:02 |
fader_ | We're not seeing any major issues on desktops or servers at the moment -- there are some 'fail's that are nautilus crashing on startup, which is bug 403549 | 16:02 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 403549 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV immediately after start up" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403549 | 16:02 |
fader_ | (One server was not being tested but that was due to a DHCP configuration issue which is now resolved) | 16:02 |
fader_ | A couple of laptops are not able to PXE boot as the install environment does not recognize their ethernet hardware -- bug 404264 | 16:02 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 404264 in linux "karmic installer fails to detect Intel 82567 network card" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404264 | 16:02 |
fader_ | mathben, the intern who is helping us test laptops, is in the Montreal office today and gathering the information about requested by the kernel team, so this is in progress | 16:02 |
fader_ | Finally, checkbox now contains a suite to run mago. What this means is that we will get (GTK) application tests along with the current hardware tests, greatly increasing our automated test coverage. | 16:02 |
heno | spec update: | 16:03 |
heno | * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption - Blocked on the LP team | 16:03 |
heno | * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-metrics-based-testing - In progress, on track for alpha 4 | 16:03 |
heno | * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-daily-desktop-testing - Implemented | 16:03 |
heno | * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-extended-audio-testing - moved to alpha 5 | 16:03 |
heno | * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-package-testing - Implemented | 16:03 |
pitti | sorry, forgot about the time change | 16:04 |
heno | any questions for QA? | 16:05 |
slangasek | fader_: does 403549 break the test completely? | 16:05 |
slangasek | i.e., should those be considered failures as opposed to successes | 16:05 |
slangasek | ? | 16:05 |
fader_ | slangasek: No, nautilus restarts itself immediately. The reason it is a 'fail' is that one of the tests is ~'make sure /var/crash is empty after install' | 16:06 |
slangasek | ok | 16:06 |
fader_ | Nautilus crashes and leaves a file there, so the above test reports a fail | 16:06 |
* slangasek bumps that bug up, then | 16:06 | |
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fader_ | FYI, for those who have not seen it, mago is the desktop application testing framework that is being headed up by ara | 16:07 |
slangasek | Blocked on the LP team - do we need to try to escalate something to get that unblocked, or are we better off continuing to defer the spec...? | 16:07 |
fader_ | It allows us to automatically test clicks, menus, text entry, etc. | 16:07 |
heno | http://mago.ubuntu.com/ | 16:07 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://mago.ubuntu.com/ | 16:07 |
pgraner | slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic | 16:08 |
slangasek | no other questions from here | 16:08 |
heno | slangasek, I've escalated to Kiko today | 16:08 |
slangasek | heno: alright | 16:08 |
pgraner | slangasek: -EWRONGPASTE | 16:08 |
slangasek | anyone else have questions for QA? | 16:08 |
heno | QA team done | 16:08 |
slangasek | pgraner: ok :) | 16:08 |
* slangasek escalates bug #404264 as well | 16:09 | |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 404264 in linux "karmic installer fails to detect Intel 82567 network card" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404264 | 16:09 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Desktop Team | 16:09 |
MootBot | New Topic: Desktop Team | 16:09 |
slangasek | pitti: hello | 16:09 |
pitti | as usual, our current status is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus | 16:09 |
slangasek | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus | 16:09 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus | 16:09 |
pitti | Since the last meeting we landed a lot of features and structural changes (see "Changes since alpha-3"). | 16:09 |
pitti | We still need to land the gnome-bluetooth change and the new xsplash, but the integration of the latter will not be done for alpha-4. | 16:10 |
pitti | not much progress on the bug front, though, we are still running full steam on landing new features | 16:10 |
slangasek | what's "the" gnome-bluetooth change? I thought gnome-bluetooth is already being pulled in now? (It was for me on upgrade) | 16:10 |
pitti | the only really nasty issue is the KDE network manager issue | 16:11 |
pitti | slangasek: I was told it'd happen "RSN", so maybe that was done now | 16:11 |
slangasek | ok | 16:11 |
pitti | I don't see it on ubuntu-desktop yet, though | 16:11 |
slangasek | fwiw, gnome-bluetooth's applet UI includes a laundry list of regressions for me, which I'll be filing soon | 16:11 |
slangasek | so the fusa fix-up is landing for alpha-4? | 16:12 |
pitti | right | 16:12 |
pitti | Ted said "it will be done this afternoon unless people keep asking" :) | 16:13 |
slangasek | heh | 16:13 |
slangasek | NM 0.8 breaking Kubuntu NM support again... is there some way we can get ahead of this problem? | 16:13 |
Riddell | On the Kubuntu side plasma-netbook has just arrived in universe and I want to get that on kubuntu-netbook image for the alpha | 16:13 |
Riddell | slangasek: asac and awe are looking at NM 0.8 and KDE now, we need to keep them supplied with coffee until they fix it | 16:14 |
slangasek | pitti: on bug #386699, is are #397288 and #398685 really duplicates of it? They seem to describe an inverse problem | 16:15 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 386699 in gvfs "Mistakes external USB flash disk for system-internal disk" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386699 | 16:15 |
slangasek | Riddell: is plasma-netbook related to NM, or is it something else entirely? | 16:15 |
Riddell | slangasek: that's unrelated | 16:15 |
slangasek | ok | 16:15 |
Riddell | also the DX team gave me message indicator for Kubuntu this week which needs some MIR changes but I hope to get that into the alpha too | 16:16 |
slangasek | sounds good | 16:16 |
pitti | slangasek: I fixed the dup link of 397288 | 16:16 |
pitti | slangasek: the other seems like a real duplicate to me | 16:16 |
slangasek | pitti: it's not | 16:16 |
slangasek | 398685 is the same bug as 397288 | 16:17 |
pitti | 398685 is a dupe of bug 386699 (just fixed) | 16:17 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 386699 in gvfs "Mistakes external USB flash disk for system-internal disk" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386699 | 16:17 |
pitti | oops, I meant "that was already correct" | 16:17 |
pitti | bug 397288 was a false dupe of that, it's really a dupe of bug 396448 | 16:18 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 397288 in gvfs "karmic auto-mounts non-removable drives (dup-of: 396448)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397288 | 16:18 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 396448 in gvfs "inconsistent automounting on startup" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396448 | 16:18 |
pitti | oh, and Seb just tells me that new gnome is scheduled for Monday; I'll ask him to be extra-careful to not break anything | 16:19 |
slangasek | pitti: when you say "not a release blocker" in the report for bug #396448, do you mean the milestone or the karmic release as a whole? | 16:19 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 396448 in gvfs "inconsistent automounting on startup" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396448 | 16:20 |
slangasek | because I beg to differ for the latter - having a pop-up on every login if the user has partitions not in the fstab should be considered a release blocker | 16:20 |
pitti | slangasek: oh, it definitively needs fixing for karmic, but it shuldn't block Alpha-4 | 16:20 |
slangasek | ok | 16:20 |
pitti | slangasek: full ack | 16:20 |
* slangasek finishes digesting the report | 16:21 | |
slangasek | no more questions here | 16:21 |
slangasek | anyone else? | 16:21 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Mobile Team | 16:23 |
MootBot | New Topic: Mobile Team | 16:23 |
slangasek | pitti: thanks | 16:23 |
lool | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic | 16:23 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic | 16:23 |
lool | Lotsof updates but nothing much to talk about | 16:23 |
lool | Just want to highlight that we're not releasing mx51 images for A4 | 16:23 |
lool | These are postponed to A5 | 16:23 |
slangasek | yes, due to delays in the kernel availability that we've discussed | 16:24 |
slangasek | unfortunate, but we'll roll with it | 16:24 |
pgraner | lool: I thought the reason we busted ass to get you a kernel today was so you could make A4 | 16:24 |
pgraner | lool: wtf? | 16:24 |
lool | pgraner: We need udebs | 16:24 |
pgraner | lool: we asked that and the answer was no | 16:24 |
lool | We could have a non-installable image but it's not very useful | 16:25 |
pgraner | lool: we will take this offline | 16:25 |
slangasek | kernel without udebs gives a target that can be upgraded to and used for testing, but not for installation | 16:25 |
lool | It's better than no kernels but we wont have an unseful image | 16:26 |
lool | We will have something useful in the archive which is good | 16:26 |
cjwatson | Tim came to me with a concern about kernel-wedge, which I'm hoping to deal with before I finish today (or at worst while travelling home this weekend); that would make life easier I understand | 16:26 |
lool | pgraner: It is useful though | 16:26 |
lool | pgraner: lets bring it offline indeed | 16:27 |
lool | Questions? | 16:28 |
cjwatson | actually, if I could get a sample image, it would help me in improving kernel-wedge | 16:28 |
slangasek | lool: anything to add regarding the buildd roll-out? | 16:28 |
lool | slangasek: I evaluated hardware and will have a call with elmo after this meeting | 16:28 |
slangasek | ok | 16:28 |
lool | We're sending all the boards we can spare to IS to act as buildds | 16:29 |
* slangasek nods | 16:29 | |
slangasek | no other questions here | 16:29 |
slangasek | others? | 16:29 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Kernel Team | 16:30 |
MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Team | 16:30 |
slangasek | lool: thanks | 16:30 |
slangasek | pgraner, rtg: hello | 16:30 |
pgraner | slangasek: Hello | 16:30 |
pgraner | slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic is for the bulk of our status | 16:30 |
slangasek | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic | 16:31 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic | 16:31 |
pgraner | slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/384579 is still on the list and we are waiting for input from testers | 16:31 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 384579 in linux "Linux thinks there’s a floppy drive when there’s not. Probing slows down bootup by almost a minute." [Unknown,Confirmed] | 16:31 |
slangasek | right | 16:31 |
slangasek | looks like we've been waiting already for a while; maybe the submitters need prodded? | 16:32 |
pgraner | slangasek: ogasawara is doing that as we type | 16:32 |
slangasek | the status listed for the AppArmor bug says "will be enabled in the next upload", but it already is | 16:32 |
slangasek | ok, cool | 16:32 |
slangasek | and jjohansen appears to be working on that bug as we speak, so that tells me the status :) | 16:32 |
pgraner | slangasek: yep, its being moved out of the kernel moving to userspace | 16:33 |
slangasek | ok, sounds good | 16:34 |
slangasek | any specs in particular that you think need discussion? | 16:34 |
pgraner | slangasek: not at this point, next week will be a more interesting meeting after the work this week | 16:34 |
slangasek | and does anyone else have questions on the kernel team? | 16:34 |
slangasek | pgraner: indeed :) | 16:34 |
pgraner | s/work/work we did/ | 16:34 |
pgraner | Any other questions? | 16:35 |
slangasek | seems not | 16:35 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Foundations Team | 16:35 |
MootBot | New Topic: Foundations Team | 16:35 |
slangasek | pgraner: thanks | 16:35 |
pgraner | slangasek: np | 16:36 |
cjwatson | silly network | 16:36 |
cjwatson | 408901 is in progress (liw); 402850 is done according to evand | 16:36 |
cjwatson | * foundations-karmic-apturl-policy: mostly done, last pieces blocked on LP bug 118870 and bug 385129 | 16:37 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 118870 in soyuz "$sourcepackage/+changelog only shows one entry per distrorelease pocket" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118870 | 16:37 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 385129 in soyuz "add PPA dependencies information to the api" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385129 | 16:37 |
cjwatson | * foundations-karmic-robust-python-packaging: mvo has a branch for that but is on leave | 16:37 |
cjwatson | * foundations-karmic-upgrade-support-in-landscape: platform side of this believed to be done, Landscape team to confirm that it actually works for them | 16:37 |
cjwatson | * foundations-karmic-cloud-setup-in-server-installer: implementation not started, but this is top-priority and we thrashed out a step-by-step plan at the platform sprint this week; may slip Alpha 4 slightly (a week at most) | 16:37 |
cjwatson | * foundations-karmic-grub2: running behind, but cjwatson has WIP to address the immediate UI concerns, and upstream is keen to hoover up the major remaining missing features | 16:37 |
cjwatson | * foundations-karmic-power-management: I believe this is well underway; RM? ;-) | 16:37 |
cjwatson | * foundations-karmic-iscsi-installer-support: installer side done (uploads underway), boot side pending fighting with kvm to get a test environment | 16:37 |
cjwatson | I don't think those LP pieces desperately need escalation; while they're ugly, they're not critical | 16:37 |
cjwatson | ... 408901 apparently not so in progress after all | 16:38 |
cjwatson | so we'll need to work more on that | 16:38 |
slangasek | cjwatson: who needs to follow up with the landscape team on upgrade-support-in-landscape? | 16:38 |
cjwatson | I'll go and grab Gustavo after this and see if he knows anything about it | 16:39 |
slangasek | [ACTION] cjwatson to follow up with Gustavo on foundations-karmic-upgrade-support-in-landscape: | 16:39 |
MootBot | ACTION received: cjwatson to follow up with Gustavo on foundations-karmic-upgrade-support-in-landscape: | 16:39 |
cjwatson | robust-python-packaging: doko said that you (slangasek) had concerns about defaulting python-central to include-links | 16:39 |
cjwatson | those concerns are not expressed in the spec AFAICS. Could you elaborate? | 16:39 |
slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to look at 408901 | 16:40 |
MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to look at 408901 | 16:40 |
slangasek | foundations-karmic-power-management: yes, this is underway :) | 16:40 |
cjwatson | WRT robust-python-packaging, given that mvo is on leave, I am wondering whether it would make sense to defer this and apply case-by-case workarounds to packages of priority >= standard or in the middle of complex dep chains that are affected by the problem in question | 16:40 |
slangasek | certainly the pulling bits out of acpi-support that are redundant is well on its way; the reimplementing of bits we don't have elsewhere, not sure how complete that'll be for karmic | 16:41 |
slangasek | (considering devicekit upstream still doesn't provide all the interfaces hal did - so this is probably blocked on Halsectomy, somewhat) | 16:41 |
pitti | like, converting remaining ACPI keycodes to input events? (that needs to happen in the kernel, not userspace) | 16:42 |
slangasek | cjwatson: robust-python-packaging: will have to follow up out-of-band, I don't have any of that state where I can reach it in my brain right now. I probably assumed any objections I raised at UDS were being recorded by someone else in the session... | 16:43 |
cjwatson | the spec is basically a mess, it has lots of items that haven't been followed up on | 16:43 |
slangasek | but case-by-case in the relevant dep chains would seem to be better than nothing? | 16:43 |
cjwatson | yes, definitely | 16:43 |
cjwatson | in particular lsb-release keeps rearing its ugly head | 16:43 |
slangasek | pitti: like replacing hal-addon-input | 16:43 |
slangasek | +d | 16:44 |
cjwatson | fixing that will require converting it to python-central, unfortunately (from the POV of amount of work required) | 16:44 |
cjwatson | apparently there's been discussion of the python-support changes but it's currently stalled on Joss | 16:44 |
slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek, cjwaston, doko to discuss robust-python-packaging further | 16:44 |
MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek, cjwaston, doko to discuss robust-python-packaging further | 16:44 |
pitti | slangasek: sorry, seems I keep forgetting what this does, except for propagating power/lid changes, etc. | 16:44 |
slangasek | let's move that out-of-band from here, then | 16:44 |
cjwatson | ok | 16:45 |
slangasek | pitti: ISTR the issue is that it /doesn't/ do more, and we didn't fix it to do more because devicekit was The Answer, so there are bits still handled only by acpi-support with nowhere to move them | 16:45 |
slangasek | hmm, I may mean hald-addon-acpi rather than hald-addon-input | 16:45 |
slangasek | but anyway | 16:45 |
slangasek | any other questions for Foundations team (that we shouldn't take out-of-band)? | 16:46 |
pitti | slangasek: I'll TTYL about that (out of band) | 16:46 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Server Team | 16:46 |
MootBot | New Topic: Server Team | 16:46 |
slangasek | cjwatson: thanks | 16:46 |
slangasek | ttx: hi | 16:46 |
ttx | hey | 16:46 |
ttx | So the current status is now aavilable at | 16:47 |
ttx | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus | 16:47 |
lool | Nice! | 16:47 |
lool | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus | 16:47 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus | 16:47 |
ttx | On the bugs list, there is the Likewise-Open5 (universe) issue | 16:47 |
ttx | Basically we were waiting for a code drop from upstream to solve krb-1.7 compatibility | 16:48 |
ttx | Now it appears they won't deliver anything in time, so the backup plan is... | 16:48 |
ttx | to use the Likewise private kerberos library instead. | 16:48 |
* slangasek nods | 16:49 | |
ttx | That makes it a non-main target | 16:49 |
ttx | but should fix the issue for our users | 16:49 |
ttx | On the alpha4 radar now... | 16:49 |
slangasek | right | 16:49 |
slangasek | (ideally we wouldn't have to do this in universe either, but obviously we have few choices here) | 16:49 |
ttx | The big thing is that we'll try to release an EC2 Alpha4 release | 16:50 |
ttx | at the same time as the regular alpha4, obviously | 16:50 |
ttx | that still needs some sync with the release team, but that's being worked out | 16:50 |
slangasek | yes, I spoke with dendrobates a little earlier about what he would need to give us to have that included; sounds like things are on track | 16:50 |
ttx | yes. | 16:50 |
ttx | Other progress/alpha4 targets are described on the report... | 16:50 |
* slangasek nods | 16:51 | |
ttx | let me know if you have any questions about that. | 16:51 |
slangasek | looks straightforward - no questions from me | 16:51 |
slangasek | anyone else? | 16:51 |
slangasek | ttx: btw, if you mark the specs as 'UbuntuSpec:name' in your report, the wiki will give you links :) | 16:51 |
ttx | slangasek: sorry, this is brand-new, and finished liek 2 minutes before the meeting :) | 16:52 |
slangasek | sure, no problem | 16:52 |
ttx | thx for the tip though :) | 16:52 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] MOTU | 16:52 |
MootBot | New Topic: MOTU | 16:52 |
slangasek | ttx: thanks | 16:52 |
slangasek | ScottK: you don't happen to be around this morning? | 16:52 |
lool | slangasek, ttx: done (spec links_ | 16:53 |
slangasek | short notice, so if we don't have anyone to speak on behalf of ubuntu-motu I'll follow up off-line | 16:53 |
ttx | lool: hey, cool :) | 16:53 |
slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to follow up with ScottK off-line | 16:53 |
MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to follow up with ScottK off-line | 16:53 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] ISO size | 16:54 |
MootBot | New Topic: ISO size | 16:54 |
slangasek | seems that we have some images just above size, and most are under size | 16:54 |
slangasek | but we also have had to remove all langpacks to get them to that level in the first place | 16:54 |
slangasek | pitti: anything you want to add on this topic? I know you guys have some more help translation stripping in the works | 16:55 |
slangasek | actually, today's alternate images seem to be larger than yesterday's | 16:56 |
pitti | right, but I still need to write hte langpack-o-matic mechanics for this | 16:56 |
pitti | for alpha-4 we probably need to kick out a langpack | 16:57 |
* slangasek nods | 16:57 | |
slangasek | there are some that we can kick out again? | 16:57 |
slangasek | I thought we were down to 0 | 16:57 |
pitti | the tarball collection seems to work fine now \o/ | 16:57 |
pitti | slangasek: I added three or so, to preempt people wanting to add other crack :) | 16:57 |
slangasek | ah, good call :) | 16:57 |
slangasek | thanks. :) | 16:57 |
pitti | well, we'll still get some DX packages | 16:58 |
pitti | OLS, I mean | 16:58 |
pitti | slangasek: the amd64 one doesn't seem to build right now, haven't looked into that yet | 16:58 |
slangasek | so it sounds like we don't have to worry too much for alpha-4, and have some more work in progress that will help between now and final | 16:58 |
slangasek | anyone want to throw out ideas on shrinking the CDs further? | 16:59 |
slangasek | (shrink rays!) | 16:59 |
pitti | I talked to seb128, gtkhtml is very sticky unfortunately | 16:59 |
slangasek | oh? | 16:59 |
pitti | I don't think we can kick it out for karmic | 16:59 |
pitti | it's not that big, though | 16:59 |
slangasek | drat | 16:59 |
* slangasek nods | 17:00 | |
pitti | and I'm afraid we are finally nailed to webkit | 17:00 |
slangasek | so clearly we should kick out xulrunner :) | 17:00 |
slangasek | ok, so we'll continue to keep watch on ISO sizes as usual | 17:00 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 17:00 |
MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 17:00 |
slangasek | anything else before we wrap? | 17:00 |
slangasek | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:02. | 17:02 |
slangasek | thanks, all | 17:02 |
pitti | thanks all | 17:02 |
lool | cheers | 17:03 |
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mac9416 | Hey, y'all, is there to be some sort of a "LoCo tools" meeting in here at in 30min.? | 22:26 |
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popey | so my calendar tells me, yes mac9416 | 22:59 |
popey | but bed for me.. | 22:59 |
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mac9416 | OK, thanks. Take it easy, popey :-) | 23:00 |
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