| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| fta | FIREFOX_3_6a1_RELEASE | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| BUGabundo | shiu | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | don't yelll | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | too much noise already | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | :p | 00:10 |
| fta | it's a tag, not my fault | 00:10 |
| dtchen | fta: let me know if you're still getting crazy audio anomalies w/ openarena and the latest alsa-plugins + pulseaudio | 00:18 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 00:18 |
| BUGabundo | still that? | 00:18 |
| dtchen | if you're volunteering to fix it, BUGabundo, ... :-) | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | no no | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | I want to keep what we have working | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | :p | 00:20 |
| fta | dtchen, i do, i loose audio after a few second, and before that, it's jerky | 00:31 |
| dtchen | fta: even on _current_ karmic? | 00:31 |
| fta | dtchen, i can't play video in ff 3.5/3.6 either, it starts without sound, then freezes after a few seconds | 00:31 |
| fta | dtchen, yes, current karmic | 00:32 |
| dtchen | ugh | 00:32 |
| BUGabundo | fta: after reboot? | 00:32 |
| fta | yes | 00:32 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 00:32 |
| dtchen | fta: i'll work on the userspace cuse -> oss part and ask for testing sometime next week | 00:54 |
| fta | dtchen, ok | 00:55 |
| dtchen | there're entirely too few hours in a day | 00:55 |
| fta | i know the feeling | 01:02 |
| BUGabundo | done for tonight | 01:51 |
| BUGabundo | bye | 01:51 |
| mirzmaster | Hi there... is there anyone here who can answer a few questions about some firefox-3.5 issues? | 03:50 |
| mirzmaster | I previously raised some issues on a Launchpad bug, but was directed here instead. | 03:50 |
| micahg | sure | 03:58 |
| micahg | mirzmaster: ?? | 04:02 |
| mirzmaster | actually micah, we may have talked before, and I think you asked me to ask in channel | 04:02 |
| mirzmaster | but in any case, I was wondering about the "shiretoko" branding. | 04:02 |
| micahg | sounds familiar :) | 04:02 |
| micahg | yes? | 04:02 |
| mirzmaster | Why? :) | 04:03 |
| micahg | It'll be gone for Karmic | 04:03 |
| micahg | !ff35 | 04:03 |
| ubottu | Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko in your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY | 04:03 |
| mirzmaster | okay, so the distinguishing btwn ff3 & 3.5 is understandable. | 04:05 |
| mirzmaster | Another question: Why shared extensions, searchplugins folders... etc.? | 04:05 |
| mirzmaster | That actually makes shiretoko somewhat "broken". | 04:05 |
| micahg | what do you mean? | 04:06 |
| micahg | ubuntu has a princple of one copy of libraries on a system | 04:06 |
| micahg | so shared extensions fit in | 04:06 |
| mirzmaster | Right... except extensions in Firefox can be specific to particular versions. | 04:06 |
| micahg | yes, but Firefox will flag what is not compatible | 04:07 |
| mirzmaster | In the case of ff3.5, the dictionaries and searchplugins are shared with ff3. | 04:07 |
| mirzmaster | this results in ff3.5 using the theme from ff3 | 04:07 |
| micahg | well, they are provided by ff3 | 04:07 |
| micahg | this will be fixed for karmic | 04:07 |
| mirzmaster | it's also using the google plugin for ff3 (old logo) | 04:07 |
| micahg | bug 383404 | 04:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 383404 in notify-osd "networkmanager + libnotify + available wireless networks = bad usability" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383404 | 04:07 |
| micahg | hmm | 04:07 |
| micahg | bug 383424 | 04:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 383424 in intltool "Support for custom file formats" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383424 | 04:07 |
| micahg | ugh | 04:07 |
| mirzmaster | mm... wrong bug? :) | 04:08 |
| micahg | bug 383484 | 04:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 383484 in firefox-3.5 "search engine plugins missing in firefox-3.5 packages" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383484 | 04:08 |
| micahg | bug 390077 | 04:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 390077 in firefox "The Google's favicon in Firefox (Search Box) needs an update" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390077 | 04:08 |
| micahg | those 2 are what you're looking for | 04:08 |
| micahg | you can subscribe to find out when they are fixed | 04:09 |
| mirzmaster | In the meantime, I have difficulty recommending ff35 for use to family/friends. They don't know what "shiretoko" is, and if they look at the add-ons manager they see bunches of disabled addons (dictionaries included). | 04:09 |
| micahg | well, there's no need ot really use it before karmic | 04:09 |
| micahg | it'll be supported at least until Jaunry | 04:10 |
| micahg | January | 04:10 |
| mirzmaster | i think the need is for the user to determine! | 04:10 |
| micahg | sure | 04:10 |
| micahg | but you're determining it's not good | 04:10 |
| micahg | ff3.5 in jaunty has been a preview | 04:10 |
| mirzmaster | I believe ff35 should either conflict with ff3 or not share extensions/addons for a better user experience. | 04:11 |
| mirzmaster | True, it is a preview. | 04:11 |
| micahg | nah | 04:11 |
| micahg | the extensions that work with 3.5 will work | 04:11 |
| micahg | like flash | 04:11 |
| micahg | the ones that won't wont | 04:11 |
| mirzmaster | Right, but i could end up upgrading an extension to a version for ff35, and then when i switch back to ff3, it's gone. | 04:12 |
| micahg | nope | 04:12 |
| mirzmaster | wiat, you're right | 04:12 |
| micahg | it should still work with 3 | 04:12 |
| mirzmaster | installed in profile folder | 04:12 |
| micahg | unless it's just in the profile for ff3.4 | 04:12 |
| micahg | ff3.5 | 04:12 |
| mirzmaster | true | 04:12 |
| mirzmaster | so the user experience isn't horrible... just confusing. :) | 04:12 |
| micahg | well, only if the user isn't familiar with firefox | 04:13 |
| micahg | the same thing would happen on windows if you have extensions that aren't compatible | 04:13 |
| mirzmaster | I consider myself an advanced user, and even I was perplexed about the ff3 theme in ff35... i thought the package didn't install correctly. I kept looking at the build date for a clue. | 04:13 |
| micahg | well, you stumbled on a nother bug :) | 04:14 |
| micahg | bug 396786 | 04:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 396786 in firefox-3.5 "Default theme missing in Firefox 3.5" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396786 | 04:15 |
| mirzmaster | There's also the dictionaries... which i think is pretty bad. | 04:15 |
| micahg | dictionaries are separate actually | 04:15 |
| mirzmaster | really? | 04:15 |
| micahg | yep in myspell and hunspell packages | 04:15 |
| mirzmaster | why does 35 think they are "not compatible"? | 04:16 |
| micahg | which ones? | 04:17 |
| micahg | ah you mean the language packs? | 04:17 |
| mirzmaster | yeah | 04:17 |
| mirzmaster | i guess that's separate from dictionaries. | 04:17 |
| micahg | bug 407180 | 04:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 407180 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox 3.5 needs language packs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407180 | 04:17 |
| mirzmaster | A preview, indeed! :) | 04:17 |
| micahg | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 | 04:18 |
| mirzmaster | I sounds like the resolution for all these bugs is simply to wait for karmic. Is that inaccurate? | 04:20 |
| micahg | that's correct for the most part :) | 04:20 |
| micahg | we will probably get some of the fixes that are specific to the firefox packages in jaunty | 04:21 |
| mirzmaster | But none related to the shared library strategy? | 04:21 |
| micahg | what's wrong with shared libraries? | 04:21 |
| mirzmaster | Just that firefox doesn't seem to have been designed with shared libraries in mind. And really these aren't libraries as much as version-specific modules/addons. | 04:22 |
| mirzmaster | They're not meant for cross-version shared use. | 04:22 |
| micahg | sure they are | 04:22 |
| micahg | we went through that already | 04:22 |
| micahg | there's a min and max version for addons | 04:22 |
| micahg | the jaunty addons, most of them only have 3.0.* versions | 04:23 |
| micahg | some might have 3.5.* | 04:23 |
| micahg | but the extensions will work on both like flash | 04:23 |
| mirzmaster | right... so sure things won't *break*, but that's to the credit of the robust addons architecture. But i hardly think that was the intention when Mozilla was designing the plugin system... that addons be shared across multiple versions of firefox. | 04:24 |
| mirzmaster | and of course, i'm only referring to the dictionaries, extensions, plugins, searchplugins folder in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5 | 04:25 |
| mirzmaster | not the profile-specific ones. | 04:25 |
| micahg | true, but it does work | 04:26 |
| micahg | firefox ships it's own gtk libs and others as well | 04:26 |
| micahg | but debian/ubuntu have 1 set of shared libs for apps | 04:26 |
| micahg | it's a lot easier to maintain | 04:26 |
| mirzmaster | Is it really a debian/ubuntu maintenance issue to manage those non-profile specific firefox addons? | 04:27 |
| micahg | of course | 04:27 |
| micahg | anything system installed falls under the policy | 04:27 |
| micahg | that's why we're having so much trouble getting songbird into the repos | 04:28 |
| mirzmaster | Well, I can understand xulrunner being shared. It was designed to be a shared runtime. But addons, extensions and themes seem to have not been designed like so. | 04:29 |
| mirzmaster | In the mozilla platform world, those are not shared components. | 04:29 |
| mirzmaster | imho, they shouldn't be in the lib location at all... but just because they are, doesn't mean they were designed to conform to the debian philosophy. | 04:30 |
| micahg | there are separate versions of xulrunner | 04:30 |
| micahg | what harm does it cause? | 04:30 |
| mirzmaster | user experience harm. Now we have a 35 preview in jaunty, that while not broken, definitely appears to be a haphazard release. It doesn't make sense for end-users, and it sounds like 30 and 35 can never really co-exist in jaunty due to a will to shoehorn mozilla into the debian philosophy. | 04:31 |
| mirzmaster | like i said, sure it doesn't break... but not breaking isn't wonderful enough for end users. | 04:32 |
| mirzmaster | sure i can tell friends/family to wait for karmic, but meanwhile they wonder why windows users are using 35 now, but ubuntu users have to deal with a "preview". | 04:32 |
| micahg | it's broken because things are missing from 35, not because of problems with the library storage | 04:32 |
| micahg | we have bugs open for the issues and will address them | 04:33 |
| mirzmaster | Just looking at the google search icon issue alone... this clearly isn't a problem of something missing in 35. The image binary data is in a shared location while clearly 35 was designed to have a different icon than 30 | 04:35 |
| mirzmaster | the problem is that we think that a search plugin is a "shared library" | 04:36 |
| micahg | no, that's not the case actually | 04:36 |
| micahg | that's not a matter of a shared lib | 04:36 |
| mirzmaster | sorry, am i mistaken? | 04:36 |
| micahg | and there is a bug open for it as I pointed out above | 04:36 |
| micahg | the search plugins are only provided by 3.0 at this point | 04:36 |
| micahg | it was never updated | 04:36 |
| mirzmaster | so, were they provided by 3.5, the shared location would not be linked in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5? | 04:37 |
| micahg | well | 04:37 |
| micahg | a sac is still debating whether or not the search plugins should be shared or not | 04:37 |
| micahg | the goal is to have all these things fixed for karmic | 04:38 |
| micahg | and what we can we'll apply to jaunty as well | 04:38 |
| mirzmaster | hmm | 04:39 |
| mirzmaster | well, i do applaud the effort. ubuntu is already great thanks to ppl like you. | 04:39 |
| * micahg just triages bugs... :) | 04:40 | |
| micahg | please, if you notice anything missing, please bring it up | 04:40 |
| mirzmaster | we each do what we can. :) | 04:41 |
| mirzmaster | please, I hope you can bring my concerns before other stakeholders and decision-makers. At the end of the day, I'd like to see true ff3 and ff35 co-existance on jaunty. :) | 04:42 |
| micahg | well, as soon as the work is done, I can poke for it to be applied to jaunty as well | 04:42 |
| mirzmaster | thank you! | 04:42 |
| mirzmaster | i appreciate your time! | 04:42 |
| mirzmaster | have a good night (depending on where you are) :) | 04:43 |
| micahg | and feel free to come back and ask if we forget :) | 04:43 |
| mirzmaster | thanks! | 04:43 |
| * micahg is in Chicago | 04:43 | |
| asac | hola | 08:57 |
| e-jat | hola | 09:03 |
| asac | e-jat: hi. help me ... which translation did you represent/try to drive? | 09:10 |
| gandi | asac: png | 09:42 |
| gandi | ping | 09:42 |
| asac | gandi: yeah. | 09:45 |
| gandi | hey | 09:45 |
| gandi | how's it going? | 09:45 |
| asac | morning ;) | 09:45 |
| gandi | asac: do you work on that upstreaming stuff? | 09:47 |
| asac | gandi: yes | 09:54 |
| asac | gandi: but progress is regularly disrupted :/ | 09:54 |
| asac | gandi: if you have someone young and eager with scripting skills send him to me :/ | 09:55 |
| gandi | asac: hmm, I'll ask pike :) | 09:55 |
| asac | jtv: for a while folks claim that we can export translation diffs nowadays ... what is true and what is a tale about it? | 09:58 |
| jtv | asac: not really "diffs" but there's an option to export just the translations that are different from upstream. | 09:59 |
| asac | e.g. like .po files for just the changed strings | 09:59 |
| jtv | asac: it's hard-coded gettext. | 09:59 |
| jtv | asac: just take a look at an export page and you should see the option. | 09:59 |
| jtv | asac: although I couldn't swear that it's on all download pages; it may be only the per-pofile ones. | 09:59 |
| asac | jtv: there are two use cases for that: a) upstreaming improvements and b) identifying languages we need to specifically QA and talk to the group at | 10:00 |
| jtv | asac: it was meant for the former, but if it works for more, great. :) | 10:00 |
| asac | jtv: for b) we would at best have a feature to export all changed strings for all languages at once (or scripted) | 10:00 |
| jtv | asac: well, go play with it. :-) | 10:00 |
| asac | jtv: david planella says it would be too hard for him to export all languages manually | 10:00 |
| asac | hmm | 10:01 |
| asac | jtv: so can i export for multiple languages at once or not? | 10:01 |
| jtv | asac: I don't know off the top of my head; try it! | 10:01 |
| asac | (yes, i will play with it ... just wanted to give him input how we could QA things) | 10:01 |
| asac | hmm | 10:01 |
| asac | ok | 10:01 |
| asac | thanks | 10:01 |
| jtv | asac: btw I don't know what would happen if you enabled automatic exports to a bzr branch on an XPI project, so better not try that for a while. :-) | 10:02 |
| e-jat | asac: Malay .. | 10:03 |
| sebner | asac: mighty asac .. how to eliminate this horrible ubuntu/google default search engine thing? | 10:03 |
| asac | e-jat: ok thanks. thats what i thought! | 10:03 |
| * asac remembers now | 10:04 | |
| asac | sebner: tools -> addons -> disable multisearch | 10:04 |
| e-jat | asac: there will be a translation sprint when at global jam soon . we planning for the jam .. | 10:05 |
| sebner | asac: you are my hero \o/ , don't forget to tell the archive admins to remove that thing from the archive :P | 10:05 |
| asac | fta: hardy ia32libs didnt have nss/nspr? | 10:43 |
| asac | fta: can you update your chromium-ia32libs package (if that has nss/nspr) ... or did you already do that? | 10:44 |
| paulliu_asuna | hi. The daily built yesterday failed. Anyone is fixing that? | 10:47 |
| paulliu_asuna | If not, I'm going to take a look inside it. | 10:48 |
| paulliu_asuna | I mean xulrunner. | 10:49 |
| andv | paulliu_asuna, ask asac :) | 11:01 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: hi. thanks | 11:10 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: i removed the patch that failed from trunk ... but i couldnt check if there are any follow up patches that failed | 11:10 |
| andv | asac, anyway the ubutfox thing is really bad | 11:10 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: hi. Just a simple hunk failed. | 11:10 |
| andv | asac, it would be nice to have a normal startup page | 11:11 |
| andv | asac, and not that one | 11:11 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: yeah. but it failed to often causing too much work and i dropped a rational for dropping it in the changelog | 11:11 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: but me and fta would be more than happy to have more eyes on dailies in future | 11:11 |
| asac | there will still be patches that fail frequently | 11:11 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: ok. Thank you..:) | 11:11 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: yo could check if the current patches now apply ... | 11:12 |
| asac | so we know that today dailies work well | 11:12 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: I fix that hunk and things are working well now. | 11:12 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: yeah. thats the _gre_... patch right? | 11:12 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: yes. bzXXX_gre_extension_plugin_support.patch | 11:13 |
| asac | yeah so lets keep that removed and see if there are any regressions. it was never upstreamed and upstream signalled that they dont want it that way | 11:13 |
| asac | so its good that i finally removed it (and i fought with myself for a while) | 11:13 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: can you check if all patches apply with that one removed? | 11:14 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: so in future, just drop a note here if you start to work on dailies and suggests merge when done | 11:14 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: ok. wait. | 11:14 |
| asac | yeah i am here ;) | 11:14 |
| asac | andv: the search thing is NOT IN ubufox | 11:14 |
| asac | please dont spread that false claim | 11:15 |
| andv | asac, I removed it and it disappeared | 11:15 |
| asac | its a separate extension like i described in my blog posted | 11:15 |
| asac | the extension is called "multisearch" | 11:15 |
| asac | ubufox only sets the homepage default | 11:15 |
| andv | asac, couldnt find it on my add/remove menu | 11:15 |
| asac | but it does that for ages | 11:15 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: bz467751_att351167_sysplugin_xre_part.patch failed if totally removed that patch | 11:16 |
| andv | asac, I removed ubufox and now everything looks cleaner | 11:16 |
| andv | asac, it's a bit faster as well | 11:16 |
| andv | asac, I gonna keep this all in extension installed | 11:17 |
| andv | it's a nice ext to have | 11:17 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: Do you need the refreshed _reg_.patch?? I can send it to you. | 11:18 |
| asac | andv: i wont argue based on such vague claims. what is cleaner, etc. | 11:18 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: if its the one i just removed then no. | 11:19 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: ah, then we have to refresh bz467751_att351167_sysplugin_xre_part.patch | 11:19 |
| andv | asac, yeah, don't get angry now, it was just my opinion | 11:19 |
| asac | andv: i dont get angry, but saying "erything looks cleaner" is just not true. ubufox doesnt change anything in the ui | 11:20 |
| asac | only thing it adds is one menu entry in tools -> addons | 11:20 |
| asac | so you are definitly just wrong and confuse things here | 11:20 |
| andv | asac, looks cleaner for the fast it has no more that homepage | 11:21 |
| andv | * fact | 11:21 |
| andv | but has an homepage you can choose | 11:21 |
| andv | from preferences menu | 11:21 |
| asac | then dont say: "everything looks cleaner" ... say: "mozilla default homepage looks better than ubuntu startpage" | 11:21 |
| andv | yep, that's it | 11:21 |
| asac | ok | 11:21 |
| asac | thats a valid opinion | 11:21 |
| andv | and that's what a lot of guys said on that bug report | 11:21 |
| andv | I saw some days ago | 11:22 |
| andv | that's why you made that post on your blog | 11:22 |
| andv | I guess | 11:22 |
| asac | but thats not going to change. and ndisabling ubufox is not the right answer. just change the homepage for you ;) | 11:22 |
| asac | andv: no. the blog post is about the chrome search and awesomebar search and newtab | 11:22 |
| andv | oh ok | 11:22 |
| asac | andv: and that is shipped in multisearch extension | 11:22 |
| asac | the homepage has been like that since gutsy | 11:22 |
| andv | maybe I was used to change it | 11:23 |
| asac | yeah | 11:23 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: do you need the refreshed bz467751_att351167_sysplugin_xre_part.patch?? I've done it. | 11:23 |
| asac | but the current ubuntu start page is better than the hardy one | 11:23 |
| andv | yep, that's true | 11:23 |
| andv | but for a wider use of the google search thing I prefer keeping it at normal stage | 11:24 |
| andv | so without modifications | 11:24 |
| andv | e.g changing where I have to search (ubuntu or web) | 11:24 |
| andv | I'm lazy | 11:24 |
| andv | :D | 11:24 |
| asac | yes. all those things are discusesd in the bugs about multisearch | 11:24 |
| asac | the bug tag we use is "multisearch" ... just search for such bugs and add your input there | 11:25 |
| andv | ok | 11:25 |
| andv | anyway asac didnt want to offend you or your work, just wanted to express my opinion about this search thing | 11:25 |
| andv | which seems bad for me but could be good for someone else | 11:26 |
| andv | just different opinions | 11:26 |
| asac | thats ok. its just that this has been discussed for so long so i am tired of talkking about it atm | 11:26 |
| asac | just check the bugs and read the blog entry | 11:26 |
| andv | first time I approach this argument sorry | 11:26 |
| asac | there is all info you need | 11:27 |
| asac | no problem | 11:27 |
| andv | and anyway my answer to this is changing what is needed for my needs | 11:27 |
| andv | and that's all | 11:27 |
| andv | I won't bug anyone to have things changed | 11:27 |
| andv | the great thing here is I can add / remove everything I may want, so np | 11:28 |
| asac | k | 11:29 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: http://nopaste.com/p/acYb9ePMl | 11:31 |
| gnomefreak | ok this is odd. asac is there an issue with setting default browser in thunderbird to our daily build firefox-3.5? | 11:37 |
| gnomefreak | i know i have seen this bug before i just find it anymore | 11:42 |
| gnomefreak | anyone running Jaunty that can test a bug for me | 12:12 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: ok, so the right way to do that is to bump the changelog version to the version that failed and comit that and then request a merge | 12:13 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: after doing a few of those, we can probably give you access to the branches directly | 12:13 |
| asac | let me know if you can do that | 12:13 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: you can check bzr log to see how to make new snapshot and document it | 12:14 |
| asac | also add yourself to the changelog like the other folks that are in there already | 12:14 |
| asac | paulliu_asuna: after requesting merge you can poke me and fta to merge it in | 12:14 |
| asac | hopefully we are responsive enough | 12:14 |
| paulliu_asuna | asac: ok. I'll do that. | 12:18 |
| gnomefreak | someone please test bug 409964 and comment on it. thanks | 12:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 409964 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox cannot connect with server of pandanda.com" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409964 | 12:19 |
| asac | great | 12:21 |
| asac | fta: can you get the profile migration stuff done for the 3.5 default thing? | 12:29 |
| asac | e.g. basically what we did for 2.0 etc. | 12:29 |
| asac | in hardy | 12:29 |
| asac | i would more comfortable if you could do it as you basically own that script | 12:29 |
| asac | i plan to upload it on monday | 12:30 |
| * asac does some NM testing ... bbiw | 12:31 | |
| asac | bdmurray: can you make awe a bugcontrol member please ? | 12:40 |
| asac | for NM stuff etc. it would be really helpful | 12:41 |
| asac | thanks | 12:41 |
| asac | bdmurray: launchpad.net/~awe | 12:41 |
| bdmurray | asac: yes, done | 12:51 |
| asac | thx | 12:59 |
| asac | armin76: you know the sparc failure because of solaris symbols ... .was that fixed upstream on trunk? | 13:13 |
| asac | do you have a patch? | 13:13 |
| andv | jdstrand, any luck reviewing that new package? | 13:20 |
| gnomefreak | asac: kazehakase is crashing. version 0.5.4-2.1ubuntu3 is that the one you uploaded? | 13:33 |
| gnomefreak | not a whole lot of info from apport. asac here is the bug i filed bug 410271 | 13:39 |
| ubottu | Bug 410271 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/410271 is private | 13:39 |
| debfx | what happend to the python xpcom interface in xulrunner-1.9.1? | 14:09 |
| fta | Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x804b000a (NS_ERROR_MALFORMED_URI) [nsIIOService.newURI]" nsresult: "0x804b000a (NS_ERROR_MALFORMED_URI)" location: "JS frame :: file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/components/nsSessionStore.js :: sss_deserializeHistoryEntry :: line 2111" data: no] | 14:14 |
| fta | Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]" nsresult: "0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://browser/content/safebrowsing/sb-loader.js :: anonymous :: line 48" data: no] | 14:14 |
| fta | 3.6 is seriously broken, i wondered why they just released 3.6a1 in that state, it was far better up to a week ago | 14:15 |
| fta | -ed | 14:15 |
| jdstrand | andv: not yet, I've been working on several security updates | 14:16 |
| andv | jdstrand, ok | 14:20 |
| andv | ;) | 14:20 |
| fta | asac, which branch? | 14:21 |
| goldins | does thunderbird not adhere to the default browser set by alternatives? | 14:42 |
| debfx | why is the python xpcom module installed to a private path in xulrunner-1.9 and completely missing in xulrunner-1.9.1? | 14:42 |
| asac | fta: one sec | 14:44 |
| asac | sunbird: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.9.10 .... orig is in his ppa | 14:44 |
| asac | seamonkey: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.x.dev | 14:45 |
| fta | asac, hm, no, the ff 3.5 profile | 14:45 |
| asac | orig is probably in ppa too | 14:45 |
| asac | hehe | 14:45 |
| asac | fta: ok | 14:45 |
| asac | fta: 3.1.head | 14:45 |
| fta | ok | 14:45 |
| asac | you can also add the firefox meta package there if you want | 14:45 |
| asac | not sure if we had a firefox-gnome-support meta thing | 14:46 |
| fta | asac, [Fri 07 01:01] <fta> FIREFOX_3_6a1_RELEASE | 14:46 |
| asac | seems like it ... so that too would be great | 14:46 |
| asac | fta: yeah | 14:46 |
| asac | read about it ... they seem to make a branch for 3.6 now | 14:46 |
| fta | asac, ? 3.7? | 14:48 |
| asac | fta: not so sure ... they are just talking about it | 14:48 |
| asac | we will see... i dont see a branch yet. but i guess its a mozilla-1.9.2 ... and the final ffox version is unknown | 14:48 |
| asac | fta: oh also: official branding for 3.1.head ;) | 14:48 |
| asac | but at best not for dailies | 14:49 |
| asac | unless upstream uses official for dailies, but afaik they dont | 14:49 |
| fta | asac, er.. 3.5 as default, you mean drop the profile patches, offer to migrate the profile, right? but what about hardy..jaunty? | 14:56 |
| asac | fta: i thought we discussed its ok to make ffox 3.5 default for all dailies | 15:09 |
| asac | i felt happy with that decision | 15:10 |
| asac | is there anything i am missing? | 15:10 |
| fta | just people running both 3.0 and 3.5 at the same time (for addons) | 15:10 |
| asac | fta: and yes. drop profile patches, offer migration profile ... and make branding official for real releases | 15:10 |
| asac | fta: from what i know the profiles are similar enough that you can switch back and forth | 15:11 |
| asac | fta: and extensions would get disabled/enabled automatically | 15:11 |
| asac | fta: if you want we can make a temporary .head.stable branch used for the stable dailies and see if we get bugs on the profile back and forth thing | 15:11 |
| asac | actually i would like that. but wouldnt wnat to ask for that if its too much work on your behalf | 15:12 |
| asac | in the end i definitly want all dailies to come from same branch | 15:12 |
| fta | i'm just concerned about the "at the same time" part of my sentence | 15:12 |
| asac | fta: you can decide. if you want we can do the head.stable approach and see if we get some kind of complains like that in karmic | 15:13 |
| asac | btw. nm trunk landed ;) | 15:13 |
| fta | are you using the bot at all? | 15:13 |
| asac | fta: we have prepared the branches to be usable now i think | 15:16 |
| asac | i dropped the ball to setup it on my own. if you want that i can do that again, but i hoped you can run it for me ;) | 15:16 |
| asac | fta: you dont need to adjust any patches ... its me and now tony that will do all the work ;) | 15:16 |
| fta | ok | 15:17 |
| asac | fta: i will cleanup the teams so noone not contributing is in there | 15:17 |
| asac | and let you know | 15:17 |
| fta | do you support LOCAL_BRANCH ? | 15:17 |
| asac | ok have to talk with someone | 15:17 |
| asac | fta: is that preferred? | 15:17 |
| asac | fta: that should be easy. we have GIT_URL =? | 15:17 |
| asac | we could map that to LOCAL_BREANCH if thats set | 15:18 |
| fta | no, LOCAL_BRANCH is a local directory, so you can just update instead of co/branch/clone | 15:18 |
| asac | so LOCAL_BRANCH also should do the update of that branch? | 15:19 |
| fta | you have to create it, look at v8 | 15:19 |
| asac | not only use a local git tree to produce tarballs? | 15:19 |
| asac | fta: ok. i will chec that | 15:19 |
| asac | NM branches are not that big though, but we will do it | 15:19 |
| fta | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=15973 | 15:29 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/249259/ | 15:42 |
| fta | asac, er.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/249262/ | 15:48 |
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| fta | asac, what about /usr/bin ? | 16:18 |
| fta | asac, hm, it doesn't work. | 16:59 |
| fta | asac, if you start /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/firefox and update some addons, it restarts 3.0.x | 17:00 |
| fta | asac, current state of the patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249296/ | 17:02 |
| asac | fta: sorry had no connection because of knetworkmanager brekage | 17:18 |
| asac | let me look | 17:18 |
| asac | fta: hmm. that restart thing basically runs /usr/bin/firefox | 17:19 |
| asac | i think its suppose dto run $0 | 17:19 |
| fta | is that one of our (other) patches? | 17:20 |
| asac | fta: yes. | 17:20 |
| asac | its a bug and we can certainly fix it. | 17:20 |
| asac | fta: is /usr/bin/firefox still 3.0 atm? | 17:21 |
| asac | problem is that $0 is (because of our script) not the /usr/bin/firefox if you start it that way | 17:21 |
| fta | asac, yes, am i supposed to change it too? | 17:21 |
| asac | so the restart doesnt work accrodss version upgrade | 17:21 |
| asac | fta: yes thtas part of making it default (actually i think it should be shipped in firefox meta package | 17:21 |
| asac | maybe 3.0 already does that | 17:22 |
| fta | asac, i didn't look at 3.0 but i assume it already provides that, so it means it will conflict | 17:22 |
| asac | so maybe in debian/firefox.links | 17:23 |
| fta | i mean, is 3.5 supposed to provide the meta package for *all* distros? | 17:23 |
| asac | ok so lets do this. lets put it in firefox meta package (.links or something) now | 17:23 |
| asac | fta: yes | 17:23 |
| asac | well unless you want to use stable.head for a while as you discussed | 17:24 |
| fta | let me think about it a bit.. | 17:24 |
| asac | yeah me too | 17:24 |
| asac | maybe we need to dpkg-divert it and think about how we can get out of this trap for future upgrades in a more dilgent fashion | 17:24 |
| fta | firefox meta will be provided by both 3.0 and 3.5, but 3.5 wins because of the version, right? | 17:25 |
| asac | yes | 17:25 |
| asac | fta: unfortunately the /usr/bin/firefox wasnt in firefox meta package in 3.0 | 17:25 |
| asac | so we need to divert if we dont do a SRU for that | 17:25 |
| fta | but to divert it, it should be done both in 3.0 and 3.5 | 17:26 |
| asac | hmm. we can also say Replaces: firefox-3.0 | 17:26 |
| asac | firefox (in 3.5 source) replaces firefox-3.0 | 17:26 |
| asac | that sonuds like it would work too | 17:26 |
| fta | ok, so my patch is incomplete | 17:26 |
| asac | fta: i think we should use head.stable until we have sorted those issues out | 17:27 |
| asac | in karmic | 17:27 |
| fta | and it breaks abrowser too. definitely needs more work | 17:27 |
| asac | in karmic its not a problem beecause we can adjust the firefox-3.0 and easily do the veresioned replaces etc. | 17:27 |
| asac | yeah. i think we need to Replaces abrowser-3.0 and firefox-3.0 and move the thing into the firefox meta package in 3.5 | 17:28 |
| asac | then we hope that replaces works well for links | 17:28 |
| asac | and that upgrading/reinstalling firefox-3.0 will not make the /usr/bin/firefox thing go back to firefox-3.9 | 17:28 |
| asac | 0 | 17:28 |
| fta | well, if we have 1 tester running hardy, that should do | 17:28 |
| asac | we can ask bugabundo to setup a hardy VM ;) | 17:28 |
| asac | i/you can also check in chroot | 17:29 |
| asac | have a chroot at home ... but not here | 17:29 |
| fta | i also forgot the search/addons links.. | 17:29 |
| fta | i need to run. i'll be back in 1~2h | 17:33 |
| asac | fta: yeah. i will try to get online in the lobby later tonight | 17:36 |
| asac | so we can talk about this and about new ideas that we might have | 17:37 |
| * asac goes to wrapup session | 17:38 | |
| fta | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package firefox-3.0-branding | 18:50 |
| fta | asac, ^^ | 18:51 |
| fta | so replaces too... | 18:51 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/249376/ | 19:40 |
| fta | asac, at the 1st run, it runs the migrator twice.. i guess it's the same bug, exec firefox from within firefox | 19:45 |
| BUGabundo | ola | 21:37 |
| fta | BUGabundo, lo | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | fta: o/ | 21:47 |
| fta | you mean \o/ right? | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | no | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | I was just waving | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | :) | 21:48 |
| fta | lol | 21:55 |
| fta | hmm, gscan2pdf can't reopen its own pdfs | 21:55 |
| fta | regression? | 21:55 |
| fta | asac, you said you changed ia32-libs earlier? what was it about? | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ping | 23:45 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I'm having trouble with BT again | 23:45 |
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