[00:10] <fta> FIREFOX_3_6a1_RELEASE
[00:10] <BUGabundo> shiu
[00:10] <BUGabundo> don't yelll
[00:10] <BUGabundo> too much noise already
[00:10] <BUGabundo> :p
[00:10] <fta> it's a tag, not my fault
[00:18] <dtchen> fta: let me know if you're still getting crazy audio anomalies w/ openarena and the latest alsa-plugins + pulseaudio
[00:18] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:18] <BUGabundo> still that?
[00:20] <dtchen> if you're volunteering to fix it, BUGabundo, ... :-)
[00:20] <BUGabundo> no no
[00:20] <BUGabundo> I want to keep what we have working
[00:20] <BUGabundo> :p
[00:31] <fta> dtchen, i do, i loose audio after a few second, and before that, it's jerky
[00:31] <dtchen> fta: even on _current_ karmic?
[00:31] <fta> dtchen, i can't play video in ff 3.5/3.6 either, it starts without sound, then freezes after a few seconds
[00:32] <fta> dtchen, yes, current karmic
[00:32] <dtchen> ugh
[00:32] <BUGabundo> fta: after reboot?
[00:32] <fta> yes
[00:32] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:54] <dtchen> fta: i'll work on the userspace cuse -> oss part and ask for testing sometime next week
[00:55] <fta> dtchen, ok
[00:55] <dtchen> there're entirely too few hours in a day
[01:02] <fta> i know the feeling
[01:51] <BUGabundo> done for tonight
[01:51] <BUGabundo> bye
[03:50] <mirzmaster> Hi there... is there anyone here who can answer a few questions about some firefox-3.5 issues?
[03:50] <mirzmaster> I previously raised some issues on a Launchpad bug, but was directed here instead.
[03:58] <micahg> sure
[04:02] <micahg> mirzmaster: ??
[04:02] <mirzmaster> actually micah, we may have talked before, and I think you asked me to ask in channel
[04:02] <mirzmaster> but in any case, I was wondering about the "shiretoko" branding.
[04:02] <micahg> sounds familiar :)
[04:02] <micahg> yes?
[04:03] <mirzmaster> Why?  :)
[04:03] <micahg> It'll be gone for Karmic
[04:03] <micahg> !ff35
[04:05] <mirzmaster> okay, so the distinguishing btwn ff3 & 3.5 is understandable.
[04:05] <mirzmaster> Another question:  Why shared extensions, searchplugins folders... etc.?
[04:05] <mirzmaster> That actually makes shiretoko somewhat "broken".
[04:06] <micahg> what do you mean?
[04:06] <micahg> ubuntu has a princple of one copy of libraries on a system
[04:06] <micahg> so shared extensions fit in
[04:06] <mirzmaster> Right... except extensions in Firefox can be specific to particular versions.
[04:07] <micahg> yes, but Firefox will flag what is not compatible
[04:07] <mirzmaster> In the case of ff3.5, the dictionaries and searchplugins are shared with ff3.
[04:07] <mirzmaster> this results in ff3.5 using the theme from ff3
[04:07] <micahg> well, they are provided by ff3
[04:07] <micahg> this will be fixed for karmic
[04:07] <mirzmaster> it's also using the google plugin for ff3 (old logo)
[04:07] <micahg> bug 383404
[04:07] <micahg> hmm
[04:07] <micahg> bug 383424
[04:07] <micahg> ugh
[04:08] <mirzmaster> mm... wrong bug?  :)
[04:08] <micahg> bug 383484
[04:08] <micahg> bug 390077
[04:08] <micahg> those 2 are what you're looking for
[04:09] <micahg> you can subscribe to find out when they are fixed
[04:09] <mirzmaster> In the meantime, I have difficulty recommending ff35 for use to family/friends.  They don't know what "shiretoko" is, and if they look at the add-ons manager they see bunches of disabled addons (dictionaries included).
[04:09] <micahg> well, there's no need ot really use it before karmic
[04:10] <micahg> it'll be supported at least until Jaunry
[04:10] <micahg> January
[04:10] <mirzmaster> i think the need is for the user to determine!
[04:10] <micahg> sure
[04:10] <micahg> but you're determining it's not good
[04:10] <micahg> ff3.5 in jaunty has been a preview
[04:11] <mirzmaster> I believe ff35 should either conflict with ff3 or not share extensions/addons for a better user experience.
[04:11] <mirzmaster> True, it is a preview.
[04:11] <micahg> nah
[04:11] <micahg> the extensions that work with 3.5 will work
[04:11] <micahg> like flash
[04:11] <micahg> the ones that won't wont
[04:12] <mirzmaster> Right, but i could end up upgrading an extension to a version for ff35, and then when i switch back to ff3, it's gone.
[04:12] <micahg> nope
[04:12] <mirzmaster> wiat, you're right
[04:12] <micahg> it should still work with 3
[04:12] <mirzmaster> installed in profile folder
[04:12] <micahg> unless it's just in the profile for ff3.4
[04:12] <micahg> ff3.5
[04:12] <mirzmaster> true
[04:12] <mirzmaster> so the user experience isn't horrible... just confusing.  :)
[04:13] <micahg> well, only if the user isn't familiar with firefox
[04:13] <micahg> the same thing would happen on windows if you have extensions that aren't compatible
[04:13] <mirzmaster> I consider myself an advanced user, and even I was perplexed about the ff3 theme in ff35... i thought the package didn't install correctly.  I kept looking at the build date for a clue.
[04:14] <micahg> well, you stumbled on a nother bug :)
[04:15] <micahg> bug 396786
[04:15] <mirzmaster> There's also the dictionaries... which i think is pretty bad.
[04:15] <micahg> dictionaries are separate actually
[04:15] <mirzmaster> really?
[04:15] <micahg> yep in myspell and hunspell packages
[04:16] <mirzmaster> why does 35 think they are "not compatible"?
[04:17] <micahg> which ones?
[04:17] <micahg> ah you mean the language packs?
[04:17] <mirzmaster> yeah
[04:17] <mirzmaster> i guess that's separate from dictionaries.
[04:17] <micahg> bug 407180
[04:17] <mirzmaster> A preview, indeed!  :)
[04:18] <micahg> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[04:20] <mirzmaster> I sounds like the resolution for all these bugs is simply to wait for karmic.  Is that inaccurate?
[04:20] <micahg> that's correct for the most part :)
[04:21] <micahg> we will probably get some of the fixes that are specific to the firefox packages in jaunty
[04:21] <mirzmaster> But none related to the shared library strategy?
[04:21] <micahg> what's wrong with shared libraries?
[04:22] <mirzmaster> Just that firefox doesn't seem to have been designed with shared libraries in mind.  And really these aren't libraries as much as version-specific modules/addons.
[04:22] <mirzmaster> They're not meant for cross-version shared use.
[04:22] <micahg> sure they are
[04:22] <micahg> we went through that already
[04:22] <micahg> there's a min and max version for addons
[04:23] <micahg> the jaunty addons, most of them only have 3.0.* versions
[04:23] <micahg> some might have 3.5.*
[04:23] <micahg> but the extensions will work on both like flash
[04:24] <mirzmaster> right... so sure things won't *break*, but that's to the credit of the robust addons architecture.  But i hardly think that was the intention when Mozilla was designing the plugin system... that addons be shared across multiple versions of firefox.
[04:25] <mirzmaster> and of course, i'm only referring to the dictionaries, extensions, plugins, searchplugins folder in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5
[04:25] <mirzmaster> not the profile-specific ones.
[04:26] <micahg> true, but it does work
[04:26] <micahg> firefox ships it's own gtk libs and others as well
[04:26] <micahg> but debian/ubuntu have 1 set of shared libs for apps
[04:26] <micahg> it's a lot easier to maintain
[04:27] <mirzmaster> Is it really a debian/ubuntu maintenance issue to manage those non-profile specific firefox addons?
[04:27] <micahg> of course
[04:27] <micahg> anything system installed falls under the policy
[04:28] <micahg> that's why we're having so much trouble getting songbird into the repos
[04:29] <mirzmaster> Well, I can understand xulrunner being shared.  It was designed to be a shared runtime.  But addons, extensions and themes seem to have not been designed like so.
[04:29] <mirzmaster> In the mozilla platform world, those are not shared components.
[04:30] <mirzmaster> imho, they shouldn't be in the lib location at all... but just because they are, doesn't mean they were designed to conform to the debian philosophy.
[04:30] <micahg> there are separate versions of xulrunner
[04:30] <micahg> what harm does it cause?
[04:31] <mirzmaster> user experience harm.  Now we have a 35 preview in jaunty, that while not broken, definitely appears to be a haphazard release.  It doesn't make sense for end-users, and it sounds like 30 and 35 can never really co-exist in jaunty due to a will to shoehorn mozilla into the debian philosophy.
[04:32] <mirzmaster> like i said, sure it doesn't break... but not breaking isn't wonderful enough for end users.
[04:32] <mirzmaster> sure i can tell friends/family to wait for karmic, but meanwhile they wonder why windows users are using 35 now, but ubuntu users have to deal with a "preview".
[04:32] <micahg> it's broken because things are missing from 35, not because of problems with the library storage
[04:33] <micahg> we have bugs open for the issues and will address them
[04:35] <mirzmaster> Just looking at the google search icon issue alone... this clearly isn't a problem of something missing in 35.  The image binary data is in a shared location while clearly 35 was designed to have a different icon than 30
[04:36] <mirzmaster> the problem is that we think that a search plugin is a "shared library"
[04:36] <micahg> no, that's not the case actually
[04:36] <micahg> that's not a matter of a shared lib
[04:36] <mirzmaster> sorry, am i mistaken?
[04:36] <micahg> and there is a bug open for it as I pointed out above
[04:36] <micahg> the search plugins are only provided by 3.0 at this point
[04:36] <micahg> it was never updated
[04:37] <mirzmaster> so, were they provided by 3.5, the shared location would not be linked in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5?
[04:37] <micahg> well
[04:37] <micahg> a sac is still debating whether or not the search plugins should be shared or not
[04:38] <micahg> the goal is to have all these things fixed for karmic
[04:38] <micahg> and what we can we'll apply to jaunty as well
[04:39] <mirzmaster> hmm
[04:39] <mirzmaster> well, i do applaud the effort.  ubuntu is already great thanks to ppl like you.
[04:40]  * micahg just triages bugs... :)
[04:40] <micahg> please, if you notice anything missing, please bring it up
[04:41] <mirzmaster> we each do what we can.  :)
[04:42] <mirzmaster> please, I hope you can bring my concerns before other stakeholders and decision-makers.  At the end of the day, I'd like to see true ff3 and ff35 co-existance on jaunty.  :)
[04:42] <micahg> well, as soon as the work is done, I can poke for it to be applied to jaunty as well
[04:42] <mirzmaster> thank you!
[04:42] <mirzmaster> i appreciate your time!
[04:43] <mirzmaster> have a good night (depending on where you are)  :)
[04:43] <micahg> and feel free to come back and ask if we forget :)
[04:43] <mirzmaster> thanks!
[04:43]  * micahg is in Chicago
[08:57] <asac> hola
[09:03] <e-jat> hola
[09:10] <asac> e-jat: hi. help me ... which translation did you represent/try to drive?
[09:42] <gandi> asac: png
[09:42] <gandi> ping
[09:45] <asac> gandi: yeah.
[09:45] <gandi> hey
[09:45] <gandi> how's it going?
[09:45] <asac> morning ;)
[09:47] <gandi> asac: do you work on that upstreaming stuff?
[09:54] <asac> gandi: yes
[09:54] <asac> gandi: but progress is regularly disrupted :/
[09:55] <asac> gandi: if you have someone young and eager with scripting skills send him to me :/
[09:55] <gandi> asac: hmm, I'll ask pike :)
[09:58] <asac> jtv: for a while folks claim that we can export translation diffs nowadays ... what is true and what is a tale about it?
[09:59] <jtv> asac: not really "diffs" but there's an option to export just the translations that are different from upstream.
[09:59] <asac> e.g. like .po files for just the changed strings
[09:59] <jtv> asac: it's hard-coded gettext.
[09:59] <jtv> asac: just take a look at an export page and you should see the option.
[09:59] <jtv> asac: although I couldn't swear that it's on all download pages; it may be only the per-pofile ones.
[10:00] <asac> jtv: there are two use cases for that: a) upstreaming improvements and b) identifying languages we need to specifically QA and talk to the group at
[10:00] <jtv> asac: it was meant for the former, but if it works for more, great.  :)
[10:00] <asac> jtv: for b) we would at best have a feature to export all changed strings for all languages at once (or scripted)
[10:00] <jtv> asac: well, go play with it.  :-)
[10:00] <asac> jtv: david planella says it would be too hard for him to export all languages manually
[10:01] <asac> hmm
[10:01] <asac> jtv: so can i export for multiple languages at once or not?
[10:01] <jtv> asac: I don't know off the top of my head; try it!
[10:01] <asac> (yes, i will play with it ... just wanted to give him input how we could QA things)
[10:01] <asac> hmm
[10:01] <asac> ok
[10:01] <asac> thanks
[10:02] <jtv> asac: btw I don't know what would happen if you enabled automatic exports to a bzr branch on an XPI project, so better not try that for a while.  :-)
[10:03] <e-jat> asac: Malay ..
[10:03] <sebner> asac: mighty asac .. how to eliminate this horrible ubuntu/google default search engine thing?
[10:03] <asac> e-jat: ok thanks. thats what i thought!
[10:04]  * asac remembers now
[10:04] <asac> sebner: tools -> addons -> disable multisearch
[10:05] <e-jat> asac: there will be a translation sprint when at global jam soon . we planning for the jam ..
[10:05] <sebner> asac: you are my hero \o/ , don't forget to tell the archive admins to remove that thing from the archive :P
[10:43] <asac> fta: hardy ia32libs didnt have nss/nspr?
[10:44] <asac> fta: can you update your chromium-ia32libs package (if that has nss/nspr) ... or did you already do that?
[10:47] <paulliu_asuna> hi. The daily built yesterday failed. Anyone is fixing that?
[10:48] <paulliu_asuna> If not, I'm going to take a look inside it.
[10:49] <paulliu_asuna> I mean xulrunner.
[11:01] <andv> paulliu_asuna, ask asac :)
[11:10] <asac> paulliu_asuna: hi. thanks
[11:10] <asac> paulliu_asuna: i removed the patch that failed from trunk ... but i couldnt check if there are any follow up patches that failed
[11:10] <andv> asac, anyway the ubutfox thing is really bad
[11:10] <paulliu_asuna> asac: hi. Just a simple hunk failed.
[11:11] <andv> asac, it would be nice to have a normal startup page
[11:11] <andv> asac, and not that one
[11:11] <asac> paulliu_asuna: yeah. but it failed to often causing too much work and i dropped a rational for dropping it in the changelog
[11:11] <asac> paulliu_asuna: but me and fta would be more than happy to have more eyes on dailies in future
[11:11] <asac> there will still be patches that fail frequently
[11:11] <paulliu_asuna> asac: ok. Thank you..:)
[11:12] <asac> paulliu_asuna: yo could check if the current patches now apply ...
[11:12] <asac> so we know that today dailies work well
[11:12] <paulliu_asuna> asac: I fix that hunk and things are working well now.
[11:12] <asac> paulliu_asuna: yeah. thats the _gre_... patch right?
[11:13] <paulliu_asuna> asac: yes. bzXXX_gre_extension_plugin_support.patch
[11:13] <asac> yeah so lets keep that removed and see if there are any regressions. it was never upstreamed and upstream signalled that they dont want it that way
[11:13] <asac> so its good that i finally removed it (and i fought with myself for a while)
[11:14] <asac> paulliu_asuna: can you check if all patches apply with that one removed?
[11:14] <asac> paulliu_asuna: so in future, just drop a note here if you start to work on dailies and suggests merge when done
[11:14] <paulliu_asuna> asac: ok. wait.
[11:14] <asac> yeah i am here ;)
[11:14] <asac> andv: the search thing is NOT IN ubufox
[11:15] <asac> please dont spread that false claim
[11:15] <andv> asac, I removed it and it disappeared
[11:15] <asac> its a separate extension like i described in my blog posted
[11:15] <asac> the extension is called "multisearch"
[11:15] <asac> ubufox only sets the homepage default
[11:15] <andv> asac, couldnt find it on my add/remove menu
[11:15] <asac> but it does that for ages
[11:16] <paulliu_asuna> asac: bz467751_att351167_sysplugin_xre_part.patch failed if totally removed that patch
[11:16] <andv> asac, I removed ubufox and now everything looks cleaner
[11:16] <andv> asac, it's a bit faster as well
[11:17] <andv> asac, I gonna keep this all in extension installed
[11:17] <andv> it's a nice ext to have
[11:18] <paulliu_asuna> asac: Do you need the refreshed _reg_.patch?? I can send it to you.
[11:18] <asac> andv: i wont argue based on such vague claims. what is cleaner, etc.
[11:19] <asac> paulliu_asuna: if its the one i just removed then no.
[11:19] <paulliu_asuna> asac: ah, then we have to refresh bz467751_att351167_sysplugin_xre_part.patch
[11:19] <andv> asac, yeah, don't get angry now, it was just my opinion
[11:20] <asac> andv: i dont get angry, but saying "erything looks cleaner" is just not true. ubufox doesnt change anything in the ui
[11:20] <asac> only thing it adds is one menu entry in tools -> addons
[11:20] <asac> so you are definitly just wrong and confuse things here
[11:21] <andv> asac, looks cleaner for the fast it has no more that homepage
[11:21] <andv> * fact
[11:21] <andv> but has an homepage you can choose
[11:21] <andv> from preferences menu
[11:21] <asac> then dont say: "everything looks cleaner" ... say: "mozilla default homepage looks better than ubuntu startpage"
[11:21] <andv> yep, that's it
[11:21] <asac> ok
[11:21] <asac> thats a valid opinion
[11:21] <andv> and that's what a lot of guys said on that bug report
[11:22] <andv> I saw some days ago
[11:22] <andv> that's why you made that post on your blog
[11:22] <andv> I guess
[11:22] <asac> but thats not going to change. and ndisabling ubufox is not the right answer. just change the homepage for you ;)
[11:22] <asac> andv: no. the blog post is about the chrome search and awesomebar search and newtab
[11:22] <andv> oh ok
[11:22] <asac> andv: and that is shipped in multisearch extension
[11:22] <asac> the homepage has been like that since gutsy
[11:23] <andv> maybe I was used to change it
[11:23] <asac> yeah
[11:23] <paulliu_asuna> asac: do you need the refreshed bz467751_att351167_sysplugin_xre_part.patch?? I've done it.
[11:23] <asac> but the current ubuntu start page is better than the hardy one
[11:23] <andv> yep, that's true
[11:24] <andv> but for a wider use of the google search thing I prefer keeping it at normal stage
[11:24] <andv> so without modifications
[11:24] <andv> e.g changing where I have to search (ubuntu or web)
[11:24] <andv> I'm lazy
[11:24] <andv> :D
[11:24] <asac> yes. all those things are discusesd in the bugs about multisearch
[11:25] <asac> the bug tag we use is "multisearch" ... just search for such bugs and add your input there
[11:25] <andv> ok
[11:25] <andv> anyway asac didnt want to offend you or your work, just wanted to express my opinion about this search thing
[11:26] <andv> which seems bad for me but could be good for someone else
[11:26] <andv> just different opinions
[11:26] <asac> thats ok. its just that this has been discussed for so long so i am tired of talkking about it atm
[11:26] <asac> just check the bugs and read the blog entry
[11:26] <andv> first time I approach this argument sorry
[11:27] <asac> there is all info you need
[11:27] <asac> no problem
[11:27] <andv> and anyway my answer to this is changing what is needed for my needs
[11:27] <andv> and that's all
[11:27] <andv> I won't  bug anyone to have things changed
[11:28] <andv> the great thing here is I can add / remove everything I may want, so np
[11:29] <asac> k
[11:31] <paulliu_asuna> asac: http://nopaste.com/p/acYb9ePMl
[11:37] <gnomefreak> ok this is odd. asac is there an issue with setting default browser in thunderbird to our daily build firefox-3.5?
[11:42] <gnomefreak> i know i have seen this bug before i just find it anymore
[12:12] <gnomefreak> anyone running Jaunty that can test a bug for me
[12:13] <asac> paulliu_asuna: ok, so the right way to do that is to bump the changelog version to the version that failed and comit that and then request a merge
[12:13] <asac> paulliu_asuna: after doing a few of those, we can probably give you access to the branches directly
[12:13] <asac> let me know if you can do that
[12:14] <asac> paulliu_asuna: you can check bzr log to see how to make new snapshot and document it
[12:14] <asac> also add yourself to the changelog like the other folks that are in there already
[12:14] <asac> paulliu_asuna: after requesting merge you can poke me and fta to merge it in
[12:14] <asac> hopefully we are responsive enough
[12:18] <paulliu_asuna> asac: ok. I'll do that.
[12:19] <gnomefreak> someone please test bug 409964 and comment on it. thanks
[12:21] <asac> great
[12:29] <asac> fta: can you get the profile migration stuff done for the 3.5 default thing?
[12:29] <asac> e.g. basically what we did for 2.0 etc.
[12:29] <asac> in hardy
[12:29] <asac> i would more comfortable if you could do it as you basically own that script
[12:30] <asac> i plan to upload it on monday
[12:31]  * asac does some NM testing ... bbiw
[12:40] <asac> bdmurray: can you make awe a bugcontrol member please ?
[12:41] <asac> for NM stuff etc. it would be really helpful
[12:41] <asac> thanks
[12:41] <asac> bdmurray: launchpad.net/~awe
[12:51] <bdmurray> asac: yes, done
[12:59] <asac> thx
[13:13] <asac> armin76: you know the sparc failure because of solaris symbols  ... .was that fixed upstream on trunk?
[13:13] <asac> do you have a patch?
[13:20] <andv> jdstrand, any luck reviewing that new package?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> asac: kazehakase is crashing. version 0.5.4-2.1ubuntu3  is that the one you uploaded?
[13:39] <gnomefreak> not a whole lot of info from apport. asac here is the bug i filed bug 410271
[14:09] <debfx> what happend to the python xpcom interface in xulrunner-1.9.1?
[14:14] <fta> Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x804b000a (NS_ERROR_MALFORMED_URI) [nsIIOService.newURI]"  nsresult: "0x804b000a (NS_ERROR_MALFORMED_URI)"  location: "JS frame :: file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/components/nsSessionStore.js :: sss_deserializeHistoryEntry :: line 2111"  data: no]
[14:14] <fta> Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]"  nsresult: "0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: chrome://browser/content/safebrowsing/sb-loader.js :: anonymous :: line 48"  data: no]
[14:15] <fta> 3.6 is seriously broken, i wondered why they just released 3.6a1 in that state, it was far better up to a week ago
[14:15] <fta> -ed
[14:16] <jdstrand> andv: not yet, I've been working on several security updates
[14:20] <andv> jdstrand, ok
[14:20] <andv> ;)
[14:21] <fta> asac, which branch?
[14:42] <goldins> does thunderbird not adhere to the default browser set by alternatives?
[14:42] <debfx> why is the python xpcom module installed to a private path in xulrunner-1.9 and completely missing in xulrunner-1.9.1?
[14:44] <asac> fta: one sec
[14:44] <asac> sunbird: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.9.10 .... orig is in his ppa
[14:45] <asac> seamonkey: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.x.dev
[14:45] <fta> asac, hm, no, the ff 3.5 profile
[14:45] <asac> orig is probably in ppa too
[14:45] <asac> hehe
[14:45] <asac> fta: ok
[14:45] <asac> fta: 3.1.head
[14:45] <fta> ok
[14:45] <asac> you can also add the firefox meta package there if you want
[14:46] <asac> not sure if we had a firefox-gnome-support meta thing
[14:46] <fta> asac, [Fri 07 01:01] <fta> FIREFOX_3_6a1_RELEASE
[14:46] <asac> seems like it ... so that too would be great
[14:46] <asac> fta: yeah
[14:46] <asac> read about it ... they seem to make a branch for 3.6 now
[14:48] <fta> asac, ? 3.7?
[14:48] <asac> fta: not so sure ... they are just talking about it
[14:48] <asac> we will see... i dont see a branch yet. but i guess its a mozilla-1.9.2 ... and the final ffox version is unknown
[14:48] <asac> fta: oh also: official branding for 3.1.head ;)
[14:49] <asac> but at best not for dailies
[14:49] <asac> unless upstream uses official for dailies, but afaik they dont
[14:56] <fta> asac, er.. 3.5 as default, you mean drop the profile patches, offer to migrate the profile, right? but what about hardy..jaunty?
[15:09] <asac> fta: i thought we discussed its ok to make ffox 3.5 default for all dailies
[15:10] <asac> i felt happy with that decision
[15:10] <asac> is there anything i am missing?
[15:10] <fta> just people running both 3.0 and 3.5 at the same time (for addons)
[15:10] <asac> fta: and yes. drop profile patches, offer migration profile ... and make branding official for real releases
[15:11] <asac> fta: from what i know the profiles are similar enough that you can switch back and forth
[15:11] <asac> fta: and extensions would get disabled/enabled automatically
[15:11] <asac> fta: if you want we can make a temporary .head.stable branch used for the stable dailies and see if we get bugs on the profile back and forth thing
[15:12] <asac> actually i would like that. but wouldnt wnat to ask for that if its too much work on your behalf
[15:12] <asac> in the end i definitly want all dailies to come from same branch
[15:12] <fta> i'm just concerned about the "at the same time" part of my sentence
[15:13] <asac> fta: you can decide. if you want we can do the head.stable approach and see if we get some kind of complains like that in karmic
[15:13] <asac> btw. nm trunk landed ;)
[15:13] <fta> are you using the bot at all?
[15:16] <asac> fta: we have prepared the branches to be usable now i think
[15:16] <asac> i dropped the ball to setup it on my own. if you want that i can do that again, but i hoped you can run it for me  ;)
[15:16] <asac> fta: you dont need to adjust any patches ... its me and now tony that will do all the work ;)
[15:17] <fta> ok
[15:17] <asac> fta: i will cleanup the teams so noone not contributing is in there
[15:17] <asac> and let you know
[15:17] <fta> do you support LOCAL_BRANCH ?
[15:17] <asac> ok have to talk with someone
[15:17] <asac> fta: is that preferred?
[15:17] <asac> fta: that should be easy. we have GIT_URL =?
[15:18] <asac> we could map that to LOCAL_BREANCH if thats set
[15:18] <fta> no, LOCAL_BRANCH is a local directory, so you can just update instead of co/branch/clone
[15:19] <asac> so LOCAL_BRANCH also should do the update of that branch?
[15:19] <fta> you have to create it, look at v8
[15:19] <asac> not only use a local git tree to produce tarballs?
[15:19] <asac> fta: ok. i will chec that
[15:19] <asac> NM branches are not that big though, but we will do it
[15:29] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=15973
[15:42] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/249259/
[15:48] <fta> asac, er.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/249262/
[16:18] <fta> asac, what about /usr/bin ?
[16:59] <fta> asac, hm, it doesn't work.
[17:00] <fta> asac, if you start /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/firefox and update some addons, it restarts 3.0.x
[17:02] <fta> asac, current state of the patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249296/
[17:18] <asac> fta: sorry had no connection because of knetworkmanager brekage
[17:18] <asac> let me look
[17:19] <asac> fta: hmm. that restart thing basically runs /usr/bin/firefox
[17:19] <asac> i think its suppose dto run $0
[17:20] <fta> is that one of our (other) patches?
[17:20] <asac> fta: yes.
[17:20] <asac> its a bug and we can certainly fix it.
[17:21] <asac> fta: is /usr/bin/firefox still 3.0 atm?
[17:21] <asac> problem is that $0 is (because of our script) not the /usr/bin/firefox if you start it that way
[17:21] <fta> asac, yes, am i supposed to change it too?
[17:21] <asac> so the restart doesnt work accrodss version upgrade
[17:21] <asac> fta: yes thtas part of making it default (actually i think it should be shipped in firefox meta package
[17:22] <asac> maybe 3.0 already does that
[17:22] <fta> asac, i didn't look at 3.0 but i assume it already provides that, so it means it will conflict
[17:23] <asac> so maybe in debian/firefox.links
[17:23] <fta> i mean, is 3.5 supposed to provide the meta package for *all* distros?
[17:23] <asac> ok so lets do this. lets put it in firefox meta package (.links or something) now
[17:23] <asac> fta: yes
[17:24] <asac> well unless you want to use stable.head for a while as you discussed
[17:24] <fta> let me think about it a bit..
[17:24] <asac> yeah me too
[17:24] <asac> maybe we need to dpkg-divert it and think about how we can get out of this trap for future upgrades in a more dilgent fashion
[17:25] <fta> firefox meta will be provided by both 3.0 and 3.5, but 3.5 wins because of the version, right?
[17:25] <asac> yes
[17:25] <asac> fta: unfortunately the /usr/bin/firefox wasnt in firefox meta package in 3.0
[17:25] <asac> so we need to divert if we dont do a SRU for that
[17:26] <fta> but to divert it, it should be done both in 3.0 and 3.5
[17:26] <asac> hmm. we can also say Replaces: firefox-3.0
[17:26] <asac> firefox (in 3.5 source) replaces firefox-3.0
[17:26] <asac> that sonuds like it would work too
[17:26] <fta> ok, so my patch is incomplete
[17:27] <asac> fta: i think we should use head.stable until we have sorted those issues out
[17:27] <asac> in karmic
[17:27] <fta> and it breaks abrowser too. definitely needs more work
[17:27] <asac> in karmic its not a problem beecause we can adjust the firefox-3.0 and easily do the veresioned replaces etc.
[17:28] <asac> yeah. i think we need to Replaces abrowser-3.0 and firefox-3.0 and move the thing into the firefox meta package in 3.5
[17:28] <asac> then we hope that replaces works well for links
[17:28] <asac> and that upgrading/reinstalling firefox-3.0 will not make the /usr/bin/firefox thing go back to firefox-3.9
[17:28] <asac> 0
[17:28] <fta> well, if we have 1 tester running hardy, that should do
[17:28] <asac> we can ask bugabundo to setup a hardy VM ;)
[17:29] <asac> i/you can also check in chroot
[17:29] <asac> have a chroot at home ... but not here
[17:29] <fta> i also forgot the search/addons links..
[17:33] <fta> i need to run. i'll be back in 1~2h
[17:36] <asac> fta: yeah. i will try to get online in the lobby later tonight
[17:37] <asac> so we can talk about this and about new ideas that we might have
[17:38]  * asac goes to wrapup session
[18:50] <fta>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package firefox-3.0-branding
[18:51] <fta> asac, ^^
[18:51] <fta> so replaces too...
[19:40] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/249376/
[19:45] <fta> asac, at the 1st run, it runs the migrator twice.. i guess it's the same bug, exec firefox from within firefox
[21:37] <BUGabundo> ola
[21:47] <fta> BUGabundo, lo
[21:47] <BUGabundo> fta: o/
[21:47] <fta> you mean \o/ right?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> no
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I was just waving
[21:48] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:55] <fta> lol
[21:55] <fta> hmm, gscan2pdf can't reopen its own pdfs
[21:55] <fta> regression?
[23:28] <fta> asac, you said you changed ia32-libs earlier? what was it about?
[23:45] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[23:45] <BUGabundo> asac: I'm having trouble with BT again