[00:03] bah! [00:03] bzr+ssh still doesn't support ~ [00:03] :grumbles: [00:03] I thought a patch had landed back in 1.16 for that [00:09] hrmm... does bzr still treat chmod failure as a fatal error? [00:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/190725 [00:09] Launchpad bug 190725 in bzr "Bzr can't init branch on ntfs-3g filesystem" [Medium,Triaged] [00:09] reading that, it would seem to === cprov is now known as cprov-afk [00:28] Noldorin: you could try https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/190725/comments/8 [00:28] Launchpad bug 190725 in bzr "Bzr can't init branch on ntfs-3g filesystem" [Medium,Triaged] [00:28] or https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/190725/comments/12 [00:29] lifeless: i'll take a look, thanks. [00:30] lifeless: i should mention that i'm not specifically using ntfs-3g [00:30] sorry, wasn't clear on that [00:31] i was just linking to a page that indicates that bzr fails wherever chmod isn't supported [00:31] in my case, i'm just on a windows server that doesn't support chmod :( [00:44] Noldorin: Are you running bzr under linux though? [00:44] lifeless: under windows. it shouldn't matter though, afaik [00:44] well, I thought perhaps we might not try to chmod at all, as much, on windows [00:44] the fact that windows sever doesn't support chmod is fail though [00:44] mm [00:46] one sec, i'll paste my log [00:46] lifeless: http://pastebin.ca/1521268 [00:47] i've already determined (with a bit of help) that this problem with the lock is due to my ftp server closing the connection after numerous failed commands [00:47] so i really need to ask bzr not to make all the chmod requests [00:48] ok [00:48] please comment in that bug [00:49] you might like to go through the ftp.py file and just comment out chmod attempts [00:53] yeah, when i mentioned this to one of the other guys here, he tried to go through the source and do that [00:53] hrmm === Edwin is now known as Guest10936 [01:14] can one download a tarred copy of a mysql branch somewhere? [01:14] (and zipped obviously) [01:14] amanica: I don't think so; it should stream pretty fast from lp [01:15] I get them proxy errors [01:15] (zipping won't gain much/anything, because bzr data is highly compressed already) [01:15] so I'm wondering if I have other options [01:15] what proxy errors [01:15] (I realised that after typing that:) [01:16] bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-6.0/.bzr/repository/packs/047014d22efa60da5232c19a239d4e65.pack: E [01:16] xpected a boundary (squid/2.6.STABLE5:DF652E15CFBFB2B08FA0D5FF9B08286A) line, got '' [01:17] run bzr lp-login :) [01:17] then you'll use bzr+ssh to pull [01:17] it will be a lot faster [01:17] also upgrade your squid to a supported version [01:18] that one has numerous CVE's open on it [01:18] o ok I'll try. I'm downloading from some server [01:18] CVE ? [01:19] o no I cant ssh out from that server. thats why I'm trying http [01:19] common vulnerablity entry [01:19] oh [01:19] well, if you fix your squid it will work [01:19] bummer [01:19] may be a tad slow [01:19] its not my squid to fix :( [01:20] current supported versions: [01:20] http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/ [01:20] (2.7.6 is what you'll want) [01:21] the problem is that squid had a bug with range requests that bzr found [01:21] you could wget it [01:21] wget -R http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-6.0/.bzr [01:21] /should/ work [01:22] i tried something like that, will try your command now [01:22] hrmm [01:22] could anyone point me to a guide for building bazaar on windows please? [01:22] (is there one?) [01:22] I'm sure its documented [01:22] either the wiki or in the docs [01:22] have you tried googling? [01:22] can't seem to find it [01:22] it's hidden quite well [01:23] http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrWin32Installer [01:23] first hit for 'bzr win32 build' on google [01:23] Noldorin: you already tried the obvious way ? [01:23] :P [01:23] lifeless: win32 makes all the difference [01:24] enter windows and you'll get nothing useful [01:24] ah [01:24] that's not terribly intuitive :S [01:24] but thanks [01:24] windows is a very generic term :) [01:24] that is, install an appropriate version of MSVC, run python setup.py build (with some wierd flag to tell it where MSVC is) [01:24] lifeless: most software release under windows rather than win32 though :) [01:25] since it's no longer 32-bit specific [01:25] Noldorin: neither is win32 [01:25] thats fair enough [01:25] SamB: hmm [01:25] ;-P [01:25] why do i kneed MSVC? [01:25] they just called it that to distinguish it from the 16-bit API [01:25] yeah, which means it's even more confusing [01:26] and less googlable for sure [01:26] meh [01:26] i have it now [01:26] well, wikipedia thinks win32 is a *former* name [01:26] I guess we could just deprecate 9x support and call it the NT port ;-P [01:27] how about just Windows? [01:27] heh [01:27] Noldorin: too hard to google for [01:28] SamB: are you kidding me? win32 made it hard to google for [01:28] windows is what most people would naturally enter first [01:28] *shrug* [01:28] lifeless: your url ending in .bzr gives 404 and with it, it starts downloading a loggerhead page. [01:29] I mean, there's way too much useless garbage with "windows" in it [01:29] i know what you mean. but i'm sure you'd get "bzr window build" to the top of the results page [01:29] windows* [01:29] or "bzr windows setup" [01:30] this is the current top result: https://code.launchpad.net/~sidnei/bzr/windows-build-environment [01:30] meh [01:30] * Noldorin reads the guide now [01:32] sidnei has been working on automated builds on windows [01:32] his stuff has been merged to bzr.dev [01:33] * SamB tries adding a link to one of the existing top hits [01:34] * SamB added a link near the bottom of http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrOnPureWindows [01:35] :) [01:35] that should help [01:35] btw I have no idea if the page I linked is current [01:35] but it seemed accurate to me [01:36] oh, I also picked it on http://www.google.com/search?q=bzr+windows+build [01:37] does that move it higher in anyone else's results? [01:37] 3rd down for me [01:37] and it's about the installer rather than the build [01:37] the http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrWin32Installer should really havbe Build or Building in its title IMO [01:38] Noldorin: yeah [01:38] but yeah, should improve now that you added that link. [01:40] oh lol. that page is all about building win32 installers on linux [01:40] there's nothing for windows atually [01:40] http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrWin32Installer [01:40] Noldorin: seriously? [01:40] yeah [01:41] i hadn't looked at it until just now [01:41] I'd expect almost any tool that worked for that on Linux to work on Windows too ... [01:41] well [01:41] If you have all tools installed on your windows machine then with only one command you can build win32 installer for standalone bzr.exe: [01:41] i guess i need to use the MSVC shell [01:41] to get make and such [01:42] oh, huh, you can use MinGW to build extensions for the standard win32 Python distribution now? [01:42] neat [01:42] heh [01:43] anyway ... it sure looks like these instructions will *only* work on Windows [01:43] SamB: why's that? [01:43] or perhaps, if you are really lucky, under WINE [01:43] there's no general "make" utility for windows [01:43] Noldorin: it's called GNU make [01:43] yeah [01:43] lots of software needs that to build even on Windows [01:43] but it's not standard [01:44] MSVC is the standard, if there is one [01:44] anyway, setup.py usually works [01:44] hmm [01:44] ... not saying it will work here, exactly [01:45] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar-commits/2009-July/013846.html seems relevant [01:45] ... anyway, I don't know of any tools to cross-compile Python extension modules [01:45] that's why I have doubts about the possibility of building a win32 installer on anything but a win32 system [01:45] hmm [01:45] you're probably right [01:46] i just get the feeling that guide was not at all written by a windows guy [01:46] well, the use of make seems odd even to me ... [01:46] it's very much in the style of a linux guide [01:46] not used to Python stuff using it [01:47] assumes you know where to get everything :) [01:47] (i.e. the package manager) [01:47] heh [01:47] get & setup, that is [01:47] Noldorin: hmm, well, maybe it's more like they assume the names of the tools are more stable than their website URLs ;-)P [01:48] actually, there are URLs [01:48] SamB: maybe... though the URLs for the major tools should be fairly constant [01:48] and can be updated easily enough [01:48] yeah i noticed [01:48] just not for everything [01:48] like make :P [01:48] well, maybe that one has changed before ;-) [01:49] lifeless: I'm leaving it now overnight with nosmart+https , maybe I'm lucky and it does not trigger the same problem. I'm giving up after that for now. [01:49] it might especially hard to find a nice, stable URL for Windows builds of that [01:49] anyway, I need to go sleep now. [01:50] thanks for the help [01:50] amanica: I didnt thinkg b.l.n ran on https [01:50] but if it does \o/ [01:50] the nosmart shouldn't be needed [01:50] :( [01:50] I'm desperate, so I'm just trying stuff [01:51] b.l.n ? [01:51] bazaar.launchpad.net [01:52] SamB: right, i think i've got it now. cheers [01:52] probably encounter problems on the way though [01:53] anyway. thanks and goodnight. [02:03] SamB: i can't seem to find thet gnu make binaries. maybe my google fu is just really weak? :P [02:03] not on the official website at least [02:04] Noldorin: they wouldn't be [02:04] I think GNU has a policy against that ;-P [02:04] *sigh* [02:04] ah [02:04] interesting [02:04] they [02:05] would have been nice if they had stated that clearly though [02:05] meh [02:05] seem to have the mistaken belief that offering windows binaries could be construed as encouraging their use [02:05] hehe [02:06] huh? [02:06] we offer windows binaries [02:06] can't have users on windows without doing that [02:06] lifeless: GNU [02:06] for make [02:06] oh [02:06] well, bzr is a GNU project too [02:06] yeah [02:06] but not officially gnu [02:06] plus, I don't think GNU *has* any windows [02:06] I don't :) [02:07] possibly, if ReactOS were more usable, they might be persuaded to create win32 binaries ;-P [02:07] erm, i really just want to use mingw, don't i? [02:07] Noldorin: probably ;-) [02:12] * Noldorin loves how the python installers look like they were made for win95 === Edwin is now known as Guest90397 [02:21] hrrmm [02:21] seems like a need a module called pywintypes [02:21] not listed in the build pages though [02:21] SamB: any ideas? [02:21] you probably need pywin32 [02:22] or is it called win32all [02:22] right [02:22] you're right, it's pywin32 [02:28] lifeless: where's this ftp.py file? [02:28] bzrlib/transport/ftp/ [02:28] it used to be one, its a module now [02:28] sorry, a package now [02:29] hrm [02:29] well yeah, i only see _gssapi.py and __init__py [02:29] __init__.py is the one [02:29] lifeless: ok, cheers [02:30] _gssapi is for kerberos authentication [02:31] i see [02:31] lifeless: you seem to know a lot about this. do you hack with it often? [02:32] I'm one of the core bzr devs [02:34] ooh, fair enough :) [02:34] a bit more than hacking around, then, lol [02:35] * sidnei raises an eyebrow [02:35] what? windows? bzr? [02:36] i say this mainly because the guys i was talking to previously about this had only played around with the source code. [02:37] sidnei: yeah, bzr [02:39] sidnei: what was the raised eyebrow for? :P [02:40] Noldorin: what are you looking for? can i be of any help? [02:40] sidnei: oh right, so it was an inquisitive one :) [02:41] sidnei: hi [02:41] sidnei: Noldorin wants to make a custom bzr build on windows [02:41] sidnei: yes, possibly. i'm trying to kludge bzr into support a windows server without chmod [02:41] sidnei: and the wiki docs/user guide don't seem to document current practice for someone on windows doing this [02:41] sidnei: excuse my ignorancve here. are you one of the main bzr devs too? [02:41] sidnei: so if you could - help noldorin out, and also update the docs, that would be rad [02:41] lifeless: i've succeeded now actually :) [02:42] well, it's not actually generating the installer, because it's complaing something about inno setup script [02:42] Noldorin: sidnei is a colleague of mine @ Canonical and has been helping bzr development out recently vis-a-vis windows daily builds [02:42] but i've got the bzr.exe to play with [02:42] lifeless: ah right, great. [02:43] lifeless/sidnei: an update to the windows build guide would be great, though i've basically managed to get it working now. [02:44] was just thinking it could be a tad clearer/more explicit in parts [02:44] Noldorin: i suspect that generally you are interested in building only bzr itself and not any of it's plugins, or am i wrong? [02:45] sidnei: yeah, i just want to build the standard package. [02:45] Noldorin: oh, ok. that might be as easy as running 'python setup.py bdist_wininst' then [02:45] erm, since you're here to help now, let me tell you the remaining issue then: [02:46] sidnei: surely i needed gnu make/pywin32/cog/etc.? [02:46] (installing them got things working pretty much) [02:46] Noldorin: gnu make and cog are needed for building the full installer, with all the plugins and tortoisebzr and all that [02:47] Noldorin: if you're going for the command-line only bzr.exe executable you don't need any of that [02:47] sidnei: oh. well it would be nice to have tortoisebzr, since the version i'm building i'll need to use regularly [02:47] python tools/win32/run_script.py cog.py -d -o tools/win32/bzr.iss tools/win32/bzr.iss.cog [02:47] iscc /Q tools/win32/bzr.iss [02:47] make: iscc: Command not found [02:47] make: *** [installer] Error 127 [02:47] Noldorin: oh, you got very far! [02:48] Noldorin: seems like you're only missing inno setup [02:48] sidnei: heh, yeah. it's just the inno bit, as i said to lifeless [02:48] mm [02:48] Noldorin: did you install it? [02:48] i can actually run bzr.exe under win32_bzr.exe dir [02:48] sidnei: yes. [02:48] i'm running under mingw though, so i'm thinking i may havel to tell it something [02:48] Noldorin: so you need to add the inno setup dir to your %PATH% environment variable, so that it finds iscc.exe [02:48] put it in the path perhaps? [02:49] ^^ [02:49] but, again, that's for building an installer, if you only want the bzr.exe, you already got what you need it seems [02:49] might as well finish the process now. could be handy [02:50] Noldorin: indeed. we are looking for people to help in this area *wink wink nudge nudge* [02:50] hmm. the bit about the path was in the docs. i'll blame it on the fact it's almost 3:00 am here for missing it? [02:50] Noldorin: eh. i would certainly miss that at 3am :) [02:51] hehe [02:51] sidnei: you're interested in getting the docs updated, you're saying? [02:52] Noldorin: for sure! let us know what parts are not clear. submitting a branch for review with updates to the docs gets you double points. [02:53] sidnei: i'd be glad to do that :) [02:53] i'll have a look at some point tomorrow [02:53] so i can figure out which bits would still be unclear when i'm *awake* [02:55] eh [02:56] Noldorin: did you comment out the tortoisebzr bits? it requires msvc to compile. maybe the failure to build that is not being ignored? [02:57] iscc /Q tools/win32/bzr.iss [02:57] Inno Setup 5 Command-Line Compiler [02:57] Copyright (C) 1997-2008 Jordan Russell. All rights reserved. [02:57] Portions by Martijn Laan [02:57] You may not specify more than one script filename. [02:57] sidnei: where are the docs [02:57] s/h// [02:57] sidnei: nope. i have msvc installed though [02:58] Noldorin: ah, that explains it then. [02:58] lifeless: which docs more specifically? [02:58] sidnei: 'how to build on windows' [02:59] lifeless: we're working on that [02:59] :) [02:59] lifeless: what's missing more specifically is how to get the dependencies installed [02:59] sidnei: any ideas about the "You may not specify more than one script filename." error? [02:59] lifeless: once the dependencies are in place its 'make installer-all' [03:00] sidnei: well, I'm meaning - where is that documented [03:00] sidnei: agreed [03:00] even the make installer-all step [03:00] lifeless: its not. :( all there is is a bunch of comments in several setup.py files [03:00] ah! [03:01] lifeless: they need to be compiled into one document [03:01] sidnei: have you seen : http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrWin32Installer [03:01] lifeless: basically the first time i did this i would open the setup.py file of the thing that failed and there was a comment explaining why [03:02] lifeless: uhm i hadn't found that before [03:03] lifeless: that could use some polishing, but seems like a good part of what's needed is in there [03:05] * sidnei adds a bookmark [03:06] * Noldorin will be idling here regularly, in case you'd like to discuss the build docs [03:06] just let me know [03:06] for now, i just want to get this inno setup erro sorted, followed by some rest. :P [03:07] Noldorin, lifeless: maybe bialix will beat me to updating the docs *wink* [03:07] Noldorin: soo [03:07] Noldorin: try removing the /Q [03:07] heh [03:07] right [03:09] Noldorin: any luck? [03:09] sidnei: can't find it in the makefile. i assume that's the wrong place? [03:10] Noldorin: i mean, run that same command from the command line [03:10] ok [03:10] Error on line 50 in c:\users\alex\bzr\1.17\tools\win32\bzr.iss: No files found matching "c:\users\alex\bzr\1.17\win32_bzr.exe\msvc*.dll" [03:11] Compile aborted. [03:11] so it seems i'm missing the msvc dir from my path var? [03:11] or someting else? [03:11] Noldorin: no, it should have been copied into that directory [03:11] Noldorin: by py2exe presumably [03:12] hmm [03:13] sidnei: you want the entire log? [03:14] Noldorin: that would help indeed. do you know how to redirect the output? === Edwin is now known as Guest82689 [03:15] 'make installer-all 1>build.log 2>&1' [03:16] sidnei: http://pastebin.ca/1521403 [03:17] Noldorin: there's a py2exe.log around? [03:18] yeah - http://pastebin.ca/1521407 [03:20] (i'm currently messing with the source code for ftp/__init__.py, trying to get get rid of all the chmod stuff) [03:20] Noldorin: oh, seems like you're building with python2.6 [03:20] but we'll leave that to another time :) [03:21] Noldorin: you should be using python2.5 i believe [03:21] (that's the real issue. i just need to get bzr compiling nicely first of course) [03:21] sidnei: ah [03:21] Noldorin: at least, i havent tried python2.6 myself [03:21] how would thae make a difference with inno though? [03:21] Noldorin: no, it has nothing to do with inno. but might explain the missing msvc*.dll [03:21] or is it to do with copying the msvc*.dll files? [03:25] i see [03:25] but the /q option needs to be removed, it would seem? [03:25] does it work if you remove it? [03:25] (where is it specified?) [03:26] no, it gives the previous error when i remove it: [03:26] Error on line 50 in c:\users\alex\bzr\1.17\tools\win32\bzr.iss: No files found matching "c:\users\alex\bzr\1.17\win32_bzr.exe\msvc*.dll" [03:26] oh, ok [03:26] if i leave it in, it gives: [03:26] You may not specify more than one script filename [03:26] it's in build-installer.bat [03:26] hm [03:26] ok [03:27] but that's strange. maybe we are using a different version of inno than the on you installed [03:27] which version you're using? [03:27] 5.2.3 [03:27] yeah, i was thinking that... [03:29] sidnei: could we continue this tomorrow maybe? [03:29] i'm eager to finish it off now, but i know it's far too late really! :/ [03:30] Noldorin: i won't be around tomorrow, maybe monday? [03:31] Noldorin: if you see jam around, he can help too [03:31] sidnei: ah, you're at canonical atm? [03:32] Noldorin: i work for canonical yes, but not on the bazaar project. i just happen to have an interest in the windows installer :) [03:32] *thought you were based in the isle of man* [03:32] guess you're somewhere in the US though [03:32] ah, great :) [03:32] Noldorin: ah, no. southern brazil. [03:32] well talk to you on monday [03:32] most of us work from home [03:32] ah, lucky guys [03:33] :P [03:33] am i wrong? :P [03:33] no! [03:33] can't be too bad lol [03:33] heh [03:33] sidnei, lifeless: you've both been most helpful - thanks very much. [03:33] we'll talk again soon [03:33] maybe we can discuss how we might get around this CHMOD issue [03:34] i will be sprinting in curitiba next week with the landscape team, but i will keep an eye on irc if you're still in trouble [03:34] lifeless: i guess that's something i'll want to talk about with you [03:34] Noldorin: sure [03:34] sidnei: that's great, cheers. if you figure out what the inno setup-related prob is, i'd be glad to know :) [03:35] ok [03:35] thanks again. [03:35] good night [03:36] sidnei: erm, i'll probably just try reverting to python 2.5 though and seeing what that does [03:36] meh [03:36] bye === Edwin is now known as Guest23793 [03:46] jml: around? [04:14] geeze, isn't this more important than wishlist? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/408983 [04:14] Launchpad bug 408983 in bzr "need a "bzr apropos" command to search the topics available through "bzr help"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [05:21] hi [05:21] i need help with bzr, how can i run bzr to use like daemon [05:22] i've this errro bzr: ERROR: Connection error: failed to connect to delphosproject.org:4155: [05:24] http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#running-a-smart-server [05:40]