[00:00] <bjsnider> well, i could be wrong because i don't have a special phone, and i don't trust wireless headphones
[00:13] <aboSamoor> I was reading the h-online about graphics and audio in kernel 31, I saw many fixes to the audio drivers. So I was thinking that it might be better to post the regression I have to kernel developers instead of waiting ubuntu fix [it seems there are lack of resources in ubuntu side], the problem every time I file a  bug upstream I got ignored even I attach all the log, what do you think ?
[00:14] <penguin42> aboSamoor: You can always try building a kernel.org kernel and see if it still happens
[00:16] <aboSamoor> penguin42, from 7.10-karmic up to date it is not working.
[00:16] <penguin42> aboSamoor: What in particular?
[00:17] <aboSamoor> penguin42, int/ext mic is not working in  Conexant CX20549 (Venice) chips
[00:18] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Have you tried some of the debugging tricks - there are parameters you can pass to the audio modules that tweak a lot of things
[00:18] <aboSamoor> usually if the mic is working on a machine this means that you have to remove PA, it is hard most of the time to configure PA to run the mic and impossible if you want to use skype.
[00:21] <aboSamoor> penguin42, I think I tried many things in 8.04 but not with karmic, can you take a quick look at BUG 278648, no one mentioned any special flags or parameters
[00:24] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Long bug
[00:26] <penguin42> aboSamoor: So my reading of that is that there is a fix and people showing how to fix it on there, but the fix needs to get into the main and karmic kernels
[00:26] <aboSamoor> penguin42, sorry, but really I am confused and disappointed. I did not want the mic till 9.04 and since a long time it is not working. I don't want to mention the fax modem problem it uses the same chip
[00:27] <aboSamoor> penguin42, I tried the fix, it is not working most of the time, and even if the mic is working you lost the speakers
[00:28] <aboSamoor> penguin42, maybe the fix is correct, but for me [2 years user of ubuntu] it is really hard to understand how PA is integrated with the system, so if the patch is working this does not mean that you get a working system
[00:29] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Well it looks like that bug also already has an upstream bug on the alsa project which is probalby the right place
[00:29] <penguin42> aboSamoor: You could also try running without Pulseaudio
[00:32] <aboSamoor> penguin42, can you send me the alsa bug link :), is there any guide to disable/enable PA and apply alsa parameters. usually the things I find are outdated
[00:32] <penguin42> aboSamoor: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=4163  that was from the bug 278648
[00:34] <FloridaGuy> trying to install 9.10 alpha3 from the net install cd....and what ever mirror i choose.. it says it can find kernel module...are they having mirrors issues or something?
[00:45] <aboSamoor> any idea how to disable pulseaudio in the safest way ?
[00:52] <dtchen> aboSamoor: i just answered that
[00:53] <aboSamoor> dtchen, I am now searching how to disable autospawn for linux process in general and PA particularly
[00:53] <Q-FUNK> hi! am I the only one for whom python-2.6 and dpkg regularly segfault on karmic?
[00:54] <dtchen> aboSamoor: it's pretty straightforward. just echo autospawn = no|tee ~/.pulse/client.conf
[00:54] <dtchen> Q-FUNK: i haven't experienced that symptom, but i'm just one user
[00:56] <Q-FUNK> dtchen: roger that
[01:05] <DanaG> I figured out why my suspend button was not working.
[01:05] <DanaG>  - action: /apps/gnome-power-manager/buttons/suspend set to blank (The suspend button has been pressed.)
[01:05] <DanaG> wtf?
[01:05] <DanaG> suspend button... just blanks screen?  that's silly.
[01:10] <Q-FUNK> would anyone know anything about what could cause bug #410532 ?
[01:10] <DanaG> oh yeah, and what is this "xsplash" I see mentioned in the GDM conffile prompt?
[01:10] <DanaG> com.ubuntu.bootcurtain
[01:11] <aboSamoor> is  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart enough to that alsa will recognize any new options in alsa-base.conf ?
[01:12] <DanaG> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReport/XSplash
[01:20] <DanaG> Still doesn't say what xsplash is!
[01:29] <DanaG> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commit;h=3bf768245b98479a14190e1e1d32ef5fae3ddf8a
[01:30] <DanaG> andersk: I asked in #pulseaudio, and "mezcalero" said my lack of surround sound is likely a udev issue; this patch is part of the fix.
[02:03] <DasEi> DanaG: I just came in, you have no surround sound ?
[02:04] <DanaG> Yeah.  I asked in #pulseaudio, and mezcalero said it was likely a udev ACL issue.
[02:05] <DasEi> DanaG: run alsamixer from trml and check if channels are set right (6~8 channel) and unmuted
[02:06] <DanaG> That's not the issue at all.  The issue is PulseAudio not even offering ANY output on the thing.
[02:06] <DasEi> which chip ?
[02:07] <DanaG> usb-audio -- CM106.
[02:36] <DasEi> DanaG: I found a thread from suse saying recompiling alsa might hel, might try : http://paste.ubuntu.com/249540/
[02:37] <DanaG> the problem isn't ALSA... it's udev and pulseaudio.
[02:39] <DasEi> DanaG: ok, me having too less experience with usb-sound then, sorry
[03:43] <oldude67> wow it is awful quiet in here, everyone must of started parting early for the weekend..:D
[03:54] <BluesKaj> I just got back from having a few , can't party like i used to , now i'm searching for aspirin and a glass of water :P
[03:55] <oldude67> BluesKaj, i hear you there...:( this ol dog is more like stay on the porch too..lol
[03:58] <BluesKaj> I'll be 66 in 6days ...dunno if 67 is your age or the yr you were born ...not too many guys in their 60s hanging out in Linux chats :)
[03:59]  * BluesKaj is an old drummer , hence the the bluesnick
[03:59] <oldude67> 67 is the year i was born, just turned 42 and feel like im an old timer in hear, i can imagine how you feel..lol
[04:01] <BluesKaj> heh, my son was born in  '66  :)
[04:02] <oldude67> i just think of how lucky the kids are today, to be able to run programs on computers like ubuntu and stuff...wished i had had them when i was younger..:(
[04:03] <BluesKaj> 42 isn't old ...i've met quite few guys on these chats who are in their 50s ...oldtime unix guys
[04:03] <oldude67> i wished i had played around more on the computers when unix was a main os.
[04:04] <oldude67> i wouldnt feel so dumb now in here..lol
[04:05] <BluesKaj> yeah, my older brother took IBM courses back in the early 60s when his company was installing those monster business machine computers in their offices
[04:05] <BluesKaj> i rexall him cursing about fortran
[04:05] <BluesKaj> recall
[04:06] <BluesKaj> of course i had no idea what that was
[04:07] <oldude67> my dad took a lot of courses too when they started in the early 70's and i wished i would of had him teach me more..he took all that crap too fortran and unix and a few other i think one was even called pascal. or something like that.
[04:08] <oldude67> maybe if i had taken the time back when i was a kid i wouldnt keep crashing this thing every other day..lol
[04:09] <BluesKaj> don't think my brother actually ever used the systems cuz he was in sales for Nestle and was on the road or flying here and there a lot.
[04:11] <oldude67> my dad started using windows and then he just gave up on all the others. said windows would rule the world..he would be so surprised now if he was still alive.
[04:11] <BluesKaj> I used dos based applications programs on my job for yrs before windows came along and complicated things :)
[04:12] <oldude67> oh he was a whiz when it came to dos, he could make the old 386 machines just purr like a kitten.lol
[04:13] <oldude67> now i wished i knew unix commands he had forgotten...i dont even use or like windows..lol
[04:15] <BluesKaj> was a lab tech that used computer driven apps on lab instruments that measured all kinds of metals and organic carbon based chemicals ..computers were a tool that we needed to learn ...personally i found them a PITA the first few yrs :P
[04:15] <oldude67> i just write everything down now as i learn them. and keep a notebook on the desk for reference,just wished i knew more on vnc and perl and python.
[04:16] <oldude67> thats how i was in school we started with the old apple IIe's and well they was just junk.
[04:16] <oldude67> so i lost interest till here recently and started learning again.
[04:18] <BluesKaj> before computers we had printouts and used guages etc and wrote the readings down and calc'd the results with a slide rule ...handhelds were too $$$
[04:19] <oldude67> ya and now all you have to do is open your phone and hit the internet..:(
[04:23] <oldude67> well BluesKaj hope you have a good night, time for me to try and do the sleep thing, been nice talking to you...have a good one.
[04:25] <BluesKaj> same to you , sleep weell
[04:25] <BluesKaj> we;ll
[05:13] <mac_v> awalton: hi... just a doubt, the partition labels in "Computer" are reported by device-kit or by gvfs? the labels reported are as "120 GB ATA TOSHIBA MK1234GSX: 9.7 GB Filesystem" this is in a fresh Karmic install , previously it didnt have the "120 GB ATA TOSHIBA MK1234GSX:" for partitions
[05:14] <SeveredCross> mac_v: I believe that's gonna be devicekit.
[05:16] <mac_v> SeveredCross: ah...OK... just had a doubt because the icons icon for the volumes are assigned by gvfs
[05:16] <SeveredCross> I think gvfs asks devicekit for the names, but don't quote me on that.
[05:26] <awalton> it's the devicekit backend in gvfs
[05:27] <awalton> gvfsd-dkd needs to set the display-name attribute to something sane and not nonsense like that
[05:58] <mac_v> awalton: just now noticed your response ,so bug should be against gvfs *only* right?
[06:06] <mac_v> ah.. just realized that such labels in Computer was an upstream decision!
[07:58]  * cwillu_clone does a happy dance on the grave of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43066 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86382
[08:00] <cwillu_clone> who's the resident gnome guy here?
[08:06] <cwillu_clone> what's the traditional args to create a patch??
[08:31] <loonyphoenix> I have an issue with gdm
[08:31] <loonyphoenix> It won't start automatically
[08:31] <loonyphoenix> I have to sudo gdm from console
[08:33] <loonyphoenix> nevermind
[08:34] <loonyphoenix> I did sudo dpgk-reconfigure gdm and the problem vanished
[08:35] <sash_> loonyphoenix:  what about the graphical menu in gnome to configure autostart-programs? dont remember, where you can find it, but there should be one
[08:35] <loonyphoenix> gdmsetup
[08:35] <loonyphoenix> don't know, since I managed without it)
[08:35] <sash_> if you cant find it, install rcconf, start it in the terminal by tipping sudo rcconf, look for gdm in the menu and activate it
[08:36] <loonyphoenix> (10:34:13) loonyphoenix: I did sudo dpgk-reconfigure gdm and the problem vanished
[08:36] <loonyphoenix> I think you missed this
[08:36] <loonyphoenix> thanks anyway)
[08:36] <sash_> i would look for it in rcconf anyway
[08:37] <loonyphoenix> okay
[08:38] <sash_> after that look for logs. boot with nosplash and see what happens, when gdm should start. look for logs in syslog and /var/log/gdm
[08:44] <loonyphoenix> Yeah, I do still have the problem
[08:45] <loonyphoenix> How do I turn on nosplash?
[08:45] <loonyphoenix> with grub2?
[08:46] <loonyphoenix> and gdm in rcconf was activated, btw
[08:48] <loonyphoenix> sash_: how do I boot with nosplash with grub2?
[08:50] <sash_> loonyphoenix:  well, at the moment, i am installing my very first karmic in vbox, so i cant really tell you. i am looking for it, but i read some days ago that the documentation for grub2 should not be that good.
[08:52] <loonyphoenix> I think /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[08:53] <sash_> if it is "quiet nosplash" by default, i would think so, too
[08:59]  * Boohbah tries out this funny new zsync thing
[09:00] <loonyphoenix> It says "not starting gdm; it is not the default display manager"
[09:00] <loonyphoenix> I think it has something with me installing and removing kdm...
[09:00] <loonyphoenix> *has something to do
[09:01] <sash_> loonyphoenix:  well, after a reconfiguration of gdm it should be
[09:01] <sash_> is kdm still activated in rcconf?
[09:01] <loonyphoenix> but I did dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[09:01] <sash_> Boohbah:  zsync = rsync + http?
[09:02] <loonyphoenix> kdm isn't on the list in rcconf
[09:02] <loonyphoenix> so I guess it removed itself fully
[09:02] <sash_> k, i think, this could be a bug... if reconfiguring gdm and rcconf do not work... what else should do?
[09:03] <loonyphoenix> reinstalling kdm?
[09:03] <loonyphoenix> i think it had the option of which display manager to set as default
[09:03] <loonyphoenix> in jaunty anyway
[09:03] <sash_> doesnt dpkg-reconfigure gdm does this, too?
[09:04] <loonyphoenix> All it said for me was:
[09:04] <loonyphoenix>  * Reloading GNOME Display Manager configuration...                              * Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended.
[09:04] <sash_> what about sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start? does this work?
[09:04] <loonyphoenix> wait a sec
[09:05] <loonyphoenix> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start is what says gdm is not the default dm
[09:06] <loonyphoenix> and installing kdm no longer asks what dm to set default
[09:06] <kklimonda> loonyphoenix: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:06] <sash_> ok... have to think a little about that....
[09:06] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: thanks
[09:07] <sash_> that was ist... remember, that it is /usr/sbin/gdm
[09:07] <kklimonda> but it's only a workaround..
[09:08] <loonyphoenix> sash_: thanks for the tip... it used to say /usr/bin/kdm and I just changed it to /usr/bin/gdm
[09:08] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: Yeah, I hope they get that fixed by release
[09:08] <Boohbah> sash_: yes, http://zsync.moria.org.uk/
[09:09] <sash_> is gdm in /usr/bin in karmic? not in sbin, like in jaunty?
[09:09] <kklimonda> no, in sbin
[09:09] <sash_> ok, loonyphoenix said bin
[09:12] <sash_> Boohbah:  you know, if it uses encryption? https? is it just for download or even for upload? i mean, i dont really get the sense of using http for filetransfers if you can use sftp or scp for example
[09:12] <loonyphoenix> it's in sbin
[09:12] <loonyphoenix> whereis gdm
[09:12] <loonyphoenix> gdm: /usr/sbin/gdm /etc/gdm /usr/lib/gdm /usr/share/gdm
[09:13] <loonyphoenix> it's just that kdm is in bin
[09:13] <Boohbah> sash_: because sftp and scp are not easily linkable for internet distribution, they usually require authentication
[09:13] <loonyphoenix> (can't they agree at least on that?)
[09:14] <sash_> loonyphoenix:  ehm... usually, kdm should be in sbin, too, i think
[09:14] <loonyphoenix> well, I don't have kdm installed anymore, so I can't say...
[09:14] <moshisushi> hello... i have connected a phone with blue tooth
[09:14] <loonyphoenix> but it used to say /usr/bin/kdm
[09:15] <moshisushi> all seems ok, but i can't find the device for browsing
[09:15] <sash_> loonyphoenix:  funny...
[09:15] <sash_> but i really dont know. never used kdm
[09:15] <moshisushi> the definitly have contact because i got the whole pin code verification to work
[09:18] <moshisushi> haaaha
[09:18] <moshisushi> "send files to device"
[09:18] <moshisushi> ok that's how you do it
[09:18] <moshisushi> well hidden feature, my friends :)
[09:19] <sash_> well, now, i have a question, too. i am trying to install a karmic-mini with encryption and lvm. of course, /boot is not encrypted. but automatic grub-installation fails. so i wanted to install it manually, but i just have an ash and do not know, how to install it to /boot...
[09:20] <SwedeMike> that's like asking a car mechanic what you need to do to fix the broken cam-belt and you basically only know how to open the hood.
[09:21] <Boohbah> SwedeMike: except people here aren't paid for their support, unlike the mechanic
[09:22] <SwedeMike> Boohbah: true.
[09:22] <sash_> well, i dont think so. i just need an option to say the installer, where to install grub (/target/boot, not /target).
[09:23] <SwedeMike> sash_: ... and where to put the different stage boot loaders.
[09:23] <loonyphoenix> if somebody's asking about cam-belts I think it's a given he knows a bit more than just how to open the boot)
[09:23] <sash_> different stage boot loader?
[09:24] <SwedeMike> sash_: see, you don't know how grub works.
[09:24] <SwedeMike> so you didnt even know what questions to ask.
[09:25] <oldude67> is it grub or grub2?
[09:25] <sash_> 2
[09:25] <Boohbah> i'm trying to boot the daily build of karmic-netbook-remix-i386.iso from a usb stick created with usb-creator but it doesn't boot
[09:27] <oldude67> me and grub2 are fighting, have had several people tell me i should have certain files and dont.so cant quite answer that one.
[09:41] <sash_> well... i do not care if i understand grub or dont. i just want to be able to choose the path of the partition, it shall be installed to. it cannot be, that you just can install it to the mbr. i am quite sure that in older versions you can choose the path. i admit that this is the first time for me installing grub to an own partition because of encryption but why is it that hard/impossible in karmic?
[09:42] <loonyphoenix> during installation isn't there a final menu with the advanced button?
[09:42] <loonyphoenix> where you can choose e.g. /sda2 to install grub
[09:42] <sash_> i am installing in textmode from a mini-iso
[09:42] <loonyphoenix> oh
[09:42] <sash_> or ncurses
[09:42] <sash_> whatever
[09:43] <loonyphoenix> textmode installation is something I tried once and didn't like at all
[09:43] <loonyphoenix> and it's a pity
[09:44] <sash_> i am installing from a mini-iso because i do not want to have the oversized full installation with gnome and so on.
[09:45] <oldude67> well i have done something like that with lilo on slack but not even thought about trying it with grub, sorry.
[09:46] <oldude67> but it actually asks you where you want to install lilo and lets you put the path in,
[09:48] <sash_> oldude67:  thanks. seems to work
[09:48] <oldude67> hmmm, ill have to remember that..lmao
[09:48] <loonyphoenix> lilo in 2009...
[09:49] <oldude67> no it was like 2006
[09:49] <loonyphoenix> I mean sash_'s situation)
[09:49] <oldude67> oh
[09:50] <sash_> well, it doesnt work. i will do it with a live-iso afterwards with a live-cd
[09:51] <loonyphoenix> oh, but live might not support lvm
[09:51] <loonyphoenix> does it?
[09:52] <SwedeMike> sash_: what is it that doesn't work? try using the http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ and see if you can get the system to boot properly, if you can do that, then you can re-run grub normally when the system is up and running and hopefully get it all working
[09:52] <loonyphoenix> or it doesn't support *encrypted* lvm...
[10:01] <sash_> this seems to be it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/393432 should be fixed... hmm. dont know. i think, with the live system i should get it to work
[10:02] <oldude67> wow text mode does use lilo..hmm..cool
[10:02] <sash_> or at least something similar
[10:22] <tgpraveen1> guys is there a keyboard shortcut to access
[10:22] <tgpraveen1> the fast-user switch applet
[10:22] <tgpraveen1> ie
[10:22] <tgpraveen1> hopw do i open that menu using my keyboard
[10:22] <tgpraveen1> so that i cant restart/shutdown etc
[10:44] <nacho__> Hi
[10:44] <nacho__> I'm about to upgrade to karmic, is it usable or maybe should I wait for the beta?
[10:45] <SwedeMike> "Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system"
[10:45] <nacho__> yes yes I know
[10:45] <SwedeMike> and it has, numerous times.
[10:46] <nacho__> I think I'm going to try it wasn't so bad the jaunty release
[10:47] <Boohbah> nacho__: don't say we didn't warn you when it breaks
[10:51] <cwillu_> nacho__, it was usable the day after jaunty was released.  However there are major breakages that happen every couple weeks, and you'll get no sympathy if you don't know how to recover from anything up to and including a full failure of the filesystem
[10:54] <sash_> arghs. can i enable luks-support in a live-system?
[10:54] <JeremyBicha> why do you think Karmic is better than Jaunty?
[11:17] <cwillu_> has bugabundu been seen lately?
[11:50] <Boohbah> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7752511
[11:50] <Boohbah> please do the needful :)
[12:01] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[12:03] <Boohbah> cwillu: hey look it's BUGabundo!
[12:03] <Boohbah> hi BUGabundo !
[12:03] <BUGabundo> hey Boohbah, who ever you are!
[12:03] <cwillu> bug/me bounces!!!!!
[12:03] <BUGabundo> is cwillu around?
[12:03]  * cwillu huggles Boohbah 
[12:03] <BUGabundo> oh there he is
[12:03] <cwillu> hai :)
[12:03] <cwillu> wanna poke a bug for me?
[12:03] <BUGabundo> dude where have you been?
[12:03] <BUGabundo> not now
[12:03] <cwillu> working
[12:04] <cwillu> :)
[12:04] <BUGabundo> filing 2 for laconica
[12:04] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo :)
[12:04] <cwillu> it has a 5 digit bug id, and I just attached a patch to it :)
[12:04] <oldude67> hey BUGabundo whats up?
[12:04] <Boohbah> BUGabundo: you may remember me experiencing troubles booting karmic iso from my usb last week
[12:04] <BUGabundo> and trying to see how the heck I spent 250MiBs on my android in 4 days
[12:04] <cwillu> oh, fun
[12:04] <cwillu> left gmail open did you?
[12:04] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda oldude67
[12:04] <Boohbah> well, it's still broke :(
[12:04] <Boohbah> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1234737
[12:04] <BUGabundo> Boohbah: nope
[12:04] <BUGabundo> I have the worse memory
[12:04] <BUGabundo> I never recall anything
[12:05] <BUGabundo> cwillu ofcourse
[12:05] <cwillu> poor thing :)
[12:05] <BUGabundo> plus youtube HD, google maps with GPS tracking
[12:05] <cwillu> heh
[12:05] <BUGabundo> latitude, laconica, and feed reader
[12:05] <cwillu> ever hear of openmapping?
[12:05] <BUGabundo> yep
[12:05] <cwillu> just tripped over it in the repository
[12:05] <cwillu> openstreetmap, sorry
[12:06] <oldude67> one day im hoping they can figure out a way to be able to give us people smart chips..lol
[12:06] <BUGabundo> a bit OT, any of you guys are on google latitude? if so, hook me up
[12:06] <cwillu> tried to add a bunch of streets, gave up after I got six separate edit collisions that I couldn't figure out
[12:06] <BUGabundo> cwillu lolol
[12:06] <BUGabundo> we have a guy on our locoteam that uses it a lot
[12:06] <BUGabundo> ill ask him when he is online
[12:07] <oldude67> heck im lucky if i get google map to work right..lol
[12:07]  * cwillu needs to get a fancy phone :(
[12:07] <cwillu> otoh, I have 3 new overo boards to play with :)
[12:07] <cwillu> BUGabundo, seriously though, you'll like this :)
[12:07] <cwillu> https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=71126fe127&view=att&th=122f929c3ba04b54&attid=0.2&disp=inline&realattid=f_fy43fwpq2&zw
[12:07] <cwillu> ugh
[12:08] <cwillu> well, maybe that'll work
[12:08] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[12:08] <BUGabundo> or not
[12:08] <cwillu> yay stress testing :)
[12:08] <oldude67> i do have a rather dumb question, with all of these new netbooks and laptops coming out with wireless internet built in do any of them come with linux able to run out of the box?
[12:08] <BUGabundo> yep
[12:08] <richardcavell_> oldude67: yes
[12:08] <BUGabundo> oldude67: nm supports it no prob
[12:09] <BUGabundo> the same as usb 3g dongle
[12:09] <richardcavell_> oldude67: Dell does some computers with Ubuntu installed
[12:09] <cwillu> BUGabundo, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30048937/win.png
[12:10] <BUGabundo> doh
[12:10] <cwillu> properly working vertical panels!! :)
[12:10] <oldude67> with that in mind do they have wireless cards in them already preset as well?
[12:10] <BUGabundo> cwillu or terminal over abuse
[12:11] <BUGabundo> oldude67: a few do
[12:11] <oldude67> cause i have no problem setting up a hardwire, never had the experience of setting up a wifi.
[12:12] <BUGabundo> so no one on latitude, besides me and kklimonda? :(
[12:12] <cwillu> my cellphone doesn't even have a touchscreen
[12:12] <cwillu> does it work with wifi-based gps?
[12:12] <cwillu> fake-ps?
[12:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: And I don't have a phone that supports latitude yet ;)
[12:13] <BUGabundo> :)
[12:13] <BUGabundo> cwillu it does
[12:13] <BUGabundo> and gsm/gprs
[12:13] <BUGabundo> or even PC based locations
[12:14] <cwillu> iGoogle? :(
[12:15] <lupine_85> query - where did all these extra browsers come from?
[12:15] <lupine_85> arora? shiretoko?
[12:15] <cwillu> shiretoko is just the codename for firefox 3.5
[12:15] <cwillu> I'd guess aurora is something similar
[12:16] <lupine_85> I have firefox *and* shiretoko installed. All a bit odd.
[12:16] <lupine_85> arora seems to be Qt-based
[12:16] <cwillu> oooo, google crypto techtalk
[12:16] <oldude67> so what is the default browser for karmic?
[12:16] <cwillu> http://rdist.root.org/2009/08/06/google-tech-talk-on-common-crypto-flaws/
[12:17] <BUGabundo> cwillu that too
[12:17] <BUGabundo> cwillu PM your email and ill send you an invite
[12:17] <cwillu> BUGabundo, cwillu@cwillu.com :p
[12:17] <BUGabundo> lupine_85: and minefield is ff 3.6
[12:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: ptv
[12:17] <kklimonda> pvt
[12:17] <richardcavell_> So what's aurora then?
[12:17] <kklimonda> whatever ;}
[12:18] <BUGabundo> LOL
[12:18] <BUGabundo> he doesn't mind the spam
[12:18] <BUGabundo> and I never remember
[12:18] <BUGabundo> guess ill have to put all of you on my new https://www.google.com/contacts
[12:18] <cwillu> gmail is good for spam handling
[12:18] <cwillu> I get about one through the filters a week
[12:18] <BUGabundo> cwillu not as good as it used to :(
[12:18] <BUGabundo> hey RAOF
[12:19] <BUGabundo> uhh already had your email
[12:19] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[12:19] <BUGabundo> sent
[12:19] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: lol, https://www.google.com/contacts doesn't import contacts from GAFYD? typical }
[12:19] <kklimonda> ;)
[12:20] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: add your domain infront of it
[12:21] <BUGabundo> like https://www.google.com/contacts/a/bugabundo.net
[12:21] <BUGabundo> did it for me :D
[12:21] <kklimonda> This service is not enabled for syntaxhighlighted.com ;)
[12:21] <BUGabundo> all google services are available after the /a/
[12:21] <BUGabundo> doh
[12:21] <BUGabundo> your domain is not an GAFYD
[12:21] <kklimonda> sure it is
[12:21] <BUGabundo> or you don't have it activated on admin panel
[12:22] <kklimonda> I don't see an option for contacts in admin panel :/
[12:22] <BUGabundo> https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/TLD/Dashboard
[12:22] <BUGabundo> https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/syntaxhighlighted.com/Dashboard
[12:22] <BUGabundo> OT
[12:22] <BUGabundo> let get it on PVT
[12:40] <Regel> Hmm.. for some reason Alt+f2 isn't bringing up the "run application"-window..
[12:40] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo: i have latitude d630
[12:41] <BUGabundo> Regel: wfm on gnome
[12:41] <BUGabundo> slacker_nl: google latitude on googlemaps?
[12:41] <slacker_nl> ahhhhhh
[12:42] <slacker_nl> don't have a phone that would support it
[12:42] <Regel> BUGabundo: wfm?
[12:43] <BUGabundo> Regel: short hand for Works For Me
[12:43] <BUGabundo> slacker_nl: then how do you have latitude?
[12:43] <Regel> oh
[12:44] <slacker_nl> dell has laptops named latitude
[12:44] <slacker_nl> like latitude d630
[12:50] <Regel> alt+f2 seems to be a bug. if I turn off transparency in panel it starts working after logout->login
[12:55] <mac_v> Regel: does *not* work for me either
[12:57] <BUGabundo> hey mac_v
[12:57]  * mac_v waves to BUGabundo 
[12:59] <mac_v> BUGabundo: any ideas for an icon for indicator applet? i'm trying to make one so that they dont keep the applet always visible!
[13:00] <BUGabundo> without it notifyOSD doesn't work for me
[13:00] <mac_v> getting the 3D objects in 22px is hard!
[13:00] <BUGabundo> but today I just see an envelope
[13:00] <mac_v> the envelope is going to stay visible always! > design descision!
[13:01] <mac_v> BUGabundo: design team's response > One of the things we found in usability testing is that folks would go there for their mail even when it wasn't running.  The idea that "this is the place that evolution lives" kind of thing.
[13:02] <BUGabundo> I odnt use evo !!
[13:02] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[13:02] <BUGabundo> :)
[13:03] <kklimonda> heh, GNOME really could use a new PIM suite :/
[13:03] <mac_v> thats what i said! wouldnt it be even more confusing when the applet is always visible!
[13:03] <kklimonda> mac_v: do you have a bug number where it's discussed? or a link to ML?
[13:04] <mac_v> kklimonda: i discussed in #ayatana
[13:05] <mac_v> probably its in the irc logs
[13:05] <kklimonda> yeah
[13:06] <mac_v> kklimonda: i said why not use a better icon so that users dont get confused! seems sabdfl likes the envelope icon!
[13:07] <mac_v> kklimonda: [21:25] <sabdfl> mac_v: no, the envelop stays please
[13:08] <kklimonda> well, with an envelope for an icon it's no wonder people are using it to launch Evo
[13:11] <mac_v> exactly! even weird now that there will be 2envelopes in the panel[evolution and indicator applet!] their reasoning is they dont have a better idea for an icon! so envelope stays!
[13:13] <BUGabundo> like *when* pidgin used fusa ?
[13:13] <BUGabundo> and indicator?
[13:13] <BUGabundo> now we reverted
[13:13] <BUGabundo> and got icon back
[13:14] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: right bits just weren't ported to the new fusa yet
[13:14] <kklimonda> I kinda liked the fusa from jaunty
[13:14] <BUGabundo> LOL
[13:14] <BUGabundo> +1
[13:16]  * gnomefreak removed envelope, but than again i dont need indicators for anything.
[13:17] <kklimonda> I'd like the idea of indicator-applet and merging status change with fusa applet more if it meant that we can remove some icons from notification area
[13:18] <kklimonda> but last time I've checked it didn't work well
[13:18] <mac_v> BUGabundo: FUSA is not gone ... just lurking for a come-back after reworking ;p
[13:19] <kklimonda> heh, I wonder if there is some secret setting I could switch to make Evo work fine with google mail imap :/
[13:22]  * lupine_85 doesn't get google mail
[13:22] <BUGabundo> lunch
[13:22] <BUGabundo> bbl
[13:23] <kklimonda> lupine_85: good spam filter, great web interface, server-side logs for IM
[13:23] <lupine_85> see? :p
[13:24]  * lupine_85 runs his own jabber, smtp and imap servers instead
[13:26] <richardcavell> if I run metacity --replace while GNOME is running, will it bork my computer?
[13:26] <kklimonda> richardcavell: it shouldn't
[13:26] <richardcavell> okay here goes
[13:26] <richardcavell> (finger on the reset button)
[13:29] <Oli```> When is usplash being dumped for super-early-starting-X?
[13:43] <andresmh> after the latest update of network manager my built-in mobile broadband modem stopped working
[13:45] <andresmh> it's listed on Network Manager but when I select it keeps trying to connect and it fails
[13:55] <richardcavell> andresmh: type in console sudo service apparmor stop
[13:56] <andresmh> richardcavell, cool, done.  * Unloading AppArmor profiles                                                                                                                                            [ OK ]
[13:56] <richardcavell> andresmh: now go to Update Manager, update your package lists, and update everything
[13:56] <richardcavell> andresmh: (by the way, your Internet should work now)
[13:57] <andresmh> my wifi works, that's how i am connected as we speak, it's just my verizon built in modem that doesn't work
[13:57] <andresmh> ok, so i am going to try update package list
[13:58] <andresmh> richardcavell, Update Manager downloaded the latest package info and it says it's all up to date
[13:59] <richardcavell> andresmh: does your Internet work now?
[14:00] <richardcavell> Your 3G modem?
[14:00] <andresmh> let me try, i might get disconnected from my wifi when i try the 3g modem
[14:02] <andresmh> richardcavell, it keeps trying to connect but it doesn't work.
[14:02] <richardcavell> andresmh: I'm not aware of any bug reports for 3G and the new Network Manager
[14:03] <andresmh> perhaps it's not the Network Manager. In order to make sure I'd like to downgrade Network Manager but for some reason synaptic doesn't let me.
[14:03] <andresmh> How can I downgrade?
[14:04] <andresmh> I can see this in synaptic's history: network-manager (0.7.1.git.5.272c6a626-0ubuntu1) to 0.8~a~git.20090804t185522.4bab334-0ubuntu1
[14:04] <andresmh> network-manager-gnome (0.7.1.git.3.0461fff8-0ubuntu2) to 0.8~a~git.20090805t131328.d1edfce-0ubuntu1
[14:05] <andresmh> but for some reason the older versions of both packages doesn't seem to be availble via Package > Force Version
[14:05] <andresmh> I guess I am going to add the Network Manager's PPA and see if that help
[14:05] <mac_v> gnomefreak: when is 3.6 expected for release?
[14:06] <mac_v> firefox!
[14:06] <mac_v> !ff3.6
[14:06] <mac_v> !helping humans
[14:09] <richardcavell> andresmh: go to Settings.... Preferences within synaptic
[14:09] <richardcavell> Look at the rightmost tab, distribution
[14:10] <andresmh> richardcavell, ah, interesting, which one should i select? Jaunt?
[14:10] <gnomefreak> mac_v: not sure yet. its too early in the cycle to say yet
[14:10] <richardcavell> andresmh: well, I guess you have to find it manually.  But that's how you ungray the force version option
[14:10] <richardcavell> I can't help you any more.  Good luck with it.
[14:11] <andresmh> :) thanks man
[14:11] <gnomefreak> mac_v: we also wont add factiod to bot until we put it in official repos
[14:11] <mac_v> gnomefreak: ah... was wondering since you and asac keep mentioing it :) [read your reply in lp for the open-with]
[14:12] <mac_v> gnomefreak: i was just messing with the bot... really didnt expect a reply ;p
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:18] <BluesKaj> I guess the karmic medibuntu repos is offline again
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Cannot initiate the connection to packages.medibuntu.org:80 (2a01:e0b:1:82:21c:c0ff:fe27:9561). - connect (101 Network is unreachable)  http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/non-free Packages
[14:19] <richardcavell> BluesKaj: I want the latest version of Wine
[14:19] <BluesKaj> !wine
[14:20] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: it looks more like ipv6 issue to me ;)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, I don't have IPv6 disabled
[14:21] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: well, it may be a problem if your ipv6 is as stable as mine ;)
[14:21] <kklimonda> noe to myself: stop using emoticons
[14:22] <kklimonda> heh
[14:22] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, I havent bothered trying to blacklist it :P
[14:22] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:24] <gnomefreak> mac_v: my reply to Lp was strictly meaning that it wouldnt happen until 3.6 its blocking the release for it. <=3.5 will not get this new feature
[14:29] <mac_v> oh... i misunderstood it as , it has been corrected in 3.6! my bad!
[14:29] <gnomefreak> will be not hasnt been
[14:29] <gnomefreak> ok walking away for a while. updating ISO
[14:30] <mac_v> \o/
[14:30] <BluesKaj> mac_v, my bad what ?
[14:32] <mac_v> BluesKaj: nothing actually :) , just i thought i had understood gnomefreak's comment wrongly
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ok so much for the ghetto talk .. i try to speak real english :)
[14:50] <kklimonda> is it just me or is sound in karmic louder than in jaunty?
[14:50] <BUGabundo> no
[14:50] <BUGabundo> its lower
[14:50] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:50] <BUGabundo> really it is
[14:51] <kklimonda> you sure? cause it sounds louder to me.. interesting :)
[14:51] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:51] <BUGabundo> well it *was*
[14:51] <BUGabundo> since yesterday updates
[14:51] <BUGabundo> seems louder
[14:51] <BUGabundo> but could just be PA gone crazy again
[14:52] <mac_v> kklimonda: its lower for me too ;p had to increase in alsamixer
[14:53] <mac_v> PA's recent updates are driving me crazy! everything is borked! :/
[14:53] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, has medibuntu changed it's GPG key ?
[14:53] <kklimonda> I only have problems with flash now
[14:53] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: not that I notices
[14:53] <BUGabundo> *noticed
[14:53] <BUGabundo> but they have their own deb for that
[14:54] <BUGabundo> mac_v: stable enough here
[14:54] <BUGabundo> expect for BT
[14:54] <BUGabundo> had to use another PC with wind
[14:54] <BUGabundo> just to export my phone contacts
[14:54] <BUGabundo> my BT wouldn't even start :(
[14:55] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, are you guys in europe able to connect to the medibuntu karmic repos for updates ?
[14:55] <BUGabundo> I am
[14:55]  * BUGabundo checks sources
[14:55] <BUGabundo> W: Conflicting distribution: http://deb.opera.com sid Release (expected sid but got squeeze)
[14:55] <BUGabundo> opera is just bad
[14:55] <BUGabundo> :(
[14:55] <BUGabundo> $ grep medi /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:55] <BUGabundo> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic free non-free
[14:55] <BUGabundo> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic-staging free non-free
[14:56] <kklimonda> why isn't opera in partner repo?
[14:56] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy medibuntu-keyring
[14:56] <BUGabundo> medibuntu-keyring:
[14:56] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2008.04.20
[14:56] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 2008.04.20
[14:56] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy opera
[14:56] <BUGabundo>  *** 10.00.4492.gcc4.qt3 0        500 http://deb.opera.com sid/non-free Packages
[14:56] <BUGabundo> not even sure if I have parter enabled
[14:56] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:56] <BUGabundo> what's the repo ??
[14:57] <kklimonda> just enable it in synaptic software sources ;)
[14:57] <BUGabundo> $ grep part /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:57] <BUGabundo> # deb ftp://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu kermic partner
[14:57] <BUGabundo> doh
[14:57] <BUGabundo> disabled
[14:57] <kklimonda> kermic :)
[14:57] <BUGabundo> kermic
[14:57] <BUGabundo> that's why it didn't work
[14:57] <kklimonda> I wonder if liferea 1.6 is a good alternative to GR
[14:58] <mac_v> BUGabundo: Bug #410436 + several other bugs all regression behavior
[14:58] <BluesKaj> http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/free Packages,  and  , http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/non-free Packages
[14:59] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: can you ping it?
[15:00] <BUGabundo> mac_v: that's an old bug
[15:01] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, nope , unknown host ...ok I need to edit/update my sources list
[15:02] <mac_v> this sometimes causes thunderbird freeze too[when mail arrives and theunderbird is unable to play sound!]! only workaround is that i had to switch off sounds from apps!
[15:11] <kklimonda> huh, any idea why isn't seahorse-agent used when it's installed and running?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> keychain?
[15:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: more like using it for gpg passwords
[15:15] <BUGabundo> right
[15:15] <kklimonda> now some ugly qt dialogs pops up
[15:28] <nacho_> hi
[15:28] <nacho_> do you know how to enable the button/menu icons?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> nacho_, pls expalin what you're trying to do
[15:31] <nacho_> I mean now that I'm in karmic there aren't icons in the menuitems/buttons
[15:32] <nacho_> I think this is some kind of option disabled in gtk or something
[15:32] <zniavre_> hello my synaptic/apt-get /aptitude crashed (core dumped) i hope its only me . could you confirm that ?
[15:33] <arand> nacho_: has that something to do with the gnome removal of a lot of "excessive"  icons?
[15:33] <nacho_> arand, I think so
[15:40] <arand> nacho_: see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469
[15:41] <nacho_> ok thanks you arand
[15:47] <arand> nacho_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/407621 < has the gconf options to reset to old default, as well as ubu-related discussion..
[15:50] <arand> ^ Zomg, removing favicons in bookmarks, now that's stupid.
[15:51] <kklimonda> arand: it's was a bug
[15:57] <arand> kklimonda: ah, yea, (but it seems a bit like showing over stuff on applications though, just hope all of them will manage to correct these things...)
[15:58] <kklimonda> arand: we can only hope (or try to forward bugs ourselves ;) )
[16:00] <BUGabundo> dtchen: congrats on the new 0.9.16 pulseaudio stack! the UI looks awesome! finally I can choose my mic!!
[16:00] <Twigathy> oo, pulse update?
[16:00]  * Twigathy will have to update && upgrade when he gets home :D
[16:02] <BUGabundo> two days agot
[16:03] <BUGabundo> I've been so busy with my android that I didn't even test it
[16:03] <kklimonda> :D
[16:03] <kklimonda> bad BUGabundo :P
[16:04] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:04] <BUGabundo> seems to dye a bit
[16:04] <BUGabundo> or maybe its just exaile
[16:04] <BUGabundo> getting now bzr to se
[16:04] <BUGabundo> nope. i' have no audio !
[16:04] <BUGabundo> :(
[16:04] <kklimonda> :}
[16:05] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:05] <BUGabundo> killed PA
[16:05] <BUGabundo> and reset sinks
[16:06] <BUGabundo> pidgin is pinging
[16:06] <BUGabundo> now lets see exatil
[16:06] <BUGabundo> I have sound
[16:06] <BUGabundo> lets see for how long now
[16:09] <BUGabundo> FYI
[16:09] <BUGabundo> fta: it will start to spread through the daily ppa, in ~2h, if you see people complaining about breakage, please bring them here, or ask them to file bugs
[16:10] <BUGabundo> fta: just committed the code to make #firefox  3.5 the default firefox in !ubuntu #karmic  *and* in the -daily PPA:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head/revision/444
[16:11] <BUGabundo> WTF
[16:11] <BUGabundo> volume keys control notify osd
[16:11] <BUGabundo> but sound remains!
[16:11] <Twigathy> ...interesting :D
[16:12] <richardcavell> BUGabundo: so 3.5 is now the default FF?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: it will be in a few hours, days
[16:12] <BUGabundo> we NEED testers
[16:12] <BUGabundo> who ever wants to test it, please go to #ubuntu-mozillateam
[16:13] <BUGabundo> and also spread the word
[16:13] <BUGabundo> forum and ML
[16:13] <BUGabundo> thanks!
[16:13] <richardcavell> 3.0.x will remain default for Jaunty?   Always?
[16:14] <kklimonda> yes
[16:15] <richardcavell> Well, I'm sticking with 3.0.x
[16:15] <richardcavell> so there
[16:17] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: yes
[16:17] <BUGabundo> we can change FEATURES on stable releases
[16:17] <BUGabundo> you guys really should understand what a RELEASE is all about
[16:17] <BUGabundo> this is not a rolling distro
[16:19] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you probably meant "we can't", right? :)
[16:19] <BUGabundo> right
[16:20] <kklimonda> It's really hard to get people to understand it unfortunately :/
[16:21] <BUGabundo> let them go with debian unstable or gentoo or arch
[16:21] <BUGabundo> those are all rolling
[16:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you were right, fonts in notify-osd are to small... or just notify-osd shouldn't be used to read dents from identi.ca
[16:21] <BUGabundo> sure, I know some packages are meant to be more updated them others
[16:21] <BUGabundo> look at gwibber and empathy
[16:21] <BUGabundo> where 6 months is too much
[16:22] <BUGabundo> LOLOLO
[16:22] <BUGabundo> of course not
[16:22] <BUGabundo> its just a notify
[16:22] <bjsnider> what's gwibber?
[16:24] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: but both gwibber and empathy were just in this phase of development
[16:24] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: once they settle down it won't be a problem
[16:24] <Cuddles> BUGabundo, What do you mean by "FATBFS or FTBFD"? (You posted it in a bug report)
[16:24] <BUGabundo> ftbf something?
[16:24] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:24] <BUGabundo> Cuddles: link?
[16:24] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: a µblog tool
[16:25] <Cuddles> BUGabundo, bug #373006. First sentence.
[16:25] <bjsnider> oh right
[16:25] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: with the paste that µblogs evolve they can't be stable for 6 months
[16:25] <bjsnider> incentivate!
[16:25] <BUGabundo> not possble
[16:25] <BUGabundo> I shouldt write bugs at 3 am
[16:25] <BUGabundo> :\\
[16:26] <kklimonda> brb
[16:26] <arand> Cuddles: failed to build ... something ?
[16:26] <Jad-J> :O
[16:26] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, how about : upgradifize?
[16:26] <Jad-J> ubuntu KK
[16:26] <Jad-J> :)
[16:26] <BUGabundo> 4 am typo ?
[16:26] <bjsnider> incentivate to upgradifize
[16:26] <BUGabundo> :D
[16:27] <Jad-J> :P
[16:27] <BUGabundo> Cuddles: D stands for depencie
[16:27] <BUGabundo> pff
[16:27] <BUGabundo> I won't even try to typo fix that
[16:27] <BUGabundo> will only make it worse
[16:28] <Cuddles> lol
[16:28] <BUGabundo> fell free to edit
[16:28] <bjsnider> i'd love tomake it worse
[16:29] <BUGabundo> do it! NOW
[16:29] <BUGabundo> more bug mail my way
[16:29] <bjsnider> it would be entertaining to see if whoever takes the bug tries to correct it or just proceeds as if it's correct
[16:29] <bjsnider> like an ali g interview
[16:30] <BUGabundo> its corrent
[16:30] <BUGabundo> in a pseudo language :englogues
[16:31] <bjsnider> it's sin-sational
[16:32] <bjsnider> i'm amazed nvidia hasn't released a point update to the 185.18 series. that driver takes down every Quadro mobile chip
[16:34] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: wiki-irc...?
[16:34]  * Twigathy edits your typos
[16:34] <BUGabundo> :))
[16:36] <Twigathy> also: Incentivize? Seriously!?
[16:37] <bjsnider> don't criticalate his languifications
[16:38]  * BUGabundo gets a wet trouth at hand
[16:38] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: english is not my primary language
[16:38] <Twigathy> I see :o
[16:38] <BUGabundo> so sometimes stuff comes out partially in Portugues
[16:38] <Twigathy> Then all is forgiven! :)
[16:38] <BUGabundo> *portuguese
[16:38] <BUGabundo> or with typos
[16:39] <Twigathy> ahh, you should write a bug report all in FORRUN and see what happens ;)
[16:41] <arand> Btw, is bugs in non-english accepted in lp? Or is eng enforced on lp?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> no
[16:43] <BUGabundo> should ask to refrase to english
[16:43] <BUGabundo> OTOH Answers accept in other languages then English
[16:44]  * arand wonders about the implications of that, it ensures comprehension but might also lead to exclusion...
[16:45] <BUGabundo> usually ppl on #ubuntu-bugs ask LoCo teams to help translate
[16:46] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[16:46] <BUGabundo> totatly messed OSD
[16:47] <Twigathy> O_o
[16:47] <BUGabundo> just got TWO bubble overloaded
[16:47] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[16:47] <BUGabundo> a sound one and a gwibber notifications
[16:47] <Twigathy> meep
[16:47] <BUGabundo> one oveer the other wish I had a 3rd hand  to take a screenshot
[16:47] <bjsnider> what is osd supposed to do when two messages are sent simultaneously?
[16:47] <BUGabundo> darn keyb buttons don't set volume now
[16:47] <BUGabundo> anyone else???
[16:48] <BUGabundo> or I just need a reboot?
[16:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: queue
[16:48]  * Twigathy has hacked-up volume up/down keys :S
[16:48] <Twigathy> They run a python script instead c_c
[16:49] <Cuddles> How do you set which channels the volumes keys change?
[16:49] <Cuddles> Used to be able to do it with gnome-sound-properties but they've removed that in karmic =.=
[16:49] <mac_v> hehe... everyone's picking on BUGabundo ;p
[16:50] <BUGabundo> bah
[16:50] <BUGabundo> np
[16:50] <BUGabundo> already accostumed to it
[16:50]  * Twigathy sends e-hugs to BUGabundo 
[16:50]  * BUGabundo steps back of that strange hairy guy
[16:51] <BUGabundo> oh god
[16:51] <BUGabundo> still having apps going over 100% volume
[16:52] <Twigathy> :S
[16:52] <BUGabundo> I was expecting this version to fix that
[16:55] <mac_v> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format <<<??? got this error when opening an icon theme!
[17:06] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, how do you go over 100% volume? is this a spinal tap type thing?
[17:06] <BUGabundo> ah??
[17:07] <bjsnider> you know, the amp where the dials go to "11" instead of "10"
[17:12] <kklimonda> anyone using evolution calendar with  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar ?
[17:14] <kklimonda> can I somehow add an alarm for events from this calendar? :/
[17:15] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no idea what you are saying!
[17:15] <BUGabundo> open pavucontrol and see the levers above 100%
[17:15] <bjsnider> hahahaa
[17:16] <bjsnider> maybe mr. chen is a big spinal tap fan and he's playing a little joke on everybody
[17:17] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, watch a flick called "this is spinal tap" and you'll see what i mean.
[17:17] <Twigathy> It is a very silly film
[17:17] <Twigathy> sorry, documentary
[17:17] <BUGabundo> what the heck is a spinal tag?
[17:18] <Twigathy> A documentary you must watch :o
[17:18] <bjsnider> a mockumentary
[17:19]  * BUGabundo slaps bjsnider
[17:36] <BluesKaj> hmm BUGabundo , still unreachable:  Err http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/non-free Packages
[17:36] <BluesKaj> something very strange going on
[17:36] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: their balancer is dead for you
[17:37] <BUGabundo> let them know
[17:37] <BUGabundo> maybe one of the servers is not up
[17:37] <BluesKaj> balancer ?
[17:37] <BUGabundo> use the direct url
[17:37] <BluesKaj> I'm using the main server
[17:37] <BUGabundo> packages.eu.mb .or packages.us.mb
[17:37] <BUGabundo> that's not a servers
[17:37] <BUGabundo> it balanced
[17:37] <BUGabundo> ask on #medibuntu
[17:38] <BluesKaj> yeah , good point , Ill as kthere
[17:39] <Twigathy> try one of 91.121.62.209 88.191.79.39 88.191.82.11 :o
[17:39] <kklimonda> heh, something doesn't detect that I connect headphones..
[17:39] <Twigathy> (dig packages.medibuntu.org)
[17:39] <Twigathy> if you don't have dig then apt-get insta- oh ;)
[17:43] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: new PA allows you to choose
[17:43] <BUGabundo> guess it was left in MANUAL ?
[17:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: how, where?
[17:43] <BUGabundo> pavucontrol
[17:44] <kklimonda> it doesn't count ;)
[17:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: ok, I can choose manually
[17:45] <kklimonda> but there is no "AUTO" option
[17:45] <kklimonda> funny that I can't switch between microphones same way
[17:46] <BUGabundo> you can
[17:46] <BUGabundo> I see both mics an linein
[17:46] <DanaG> I also don't get a mic-switch thingy in the PA volume control.
[17:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: in pavucontrol?
[17:46] <DanaG> I have to use bare alsamixer (or gamix), instead.
[17:47]  * DanaG still hates the "lowest volume -> mute" behavior.
[17:47] <kklimonda> only because you have some weird led ;)
[17:47] <DanaG> Try this: put sound card at lowest volume, and then try to unmute it.  Note that the panel icon still shows mute!
[17:47] <DanaG> NOw try to unmute it again... no change.
[17:48] <DanaG> That's counterintuitive.
[17:48] <DanaG> Oh, now the tooltip at least says "volume: 0%".
[17:48] <kklimonda> true, have you reported it? (i don't remember)
[17:48] <DanaG> That's slightly better.  Still uses the wrong icon, though.
[17:48] <kklimonda> nope, still muted for me
[17:49] <kklimonda> well, it seems it's buggy as hell for me, maybe I should restart after lst update? :/
[17:49] <kklimonda> brb
[17:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081
[17:50] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=180942
[17:51] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164925
[17:52] <DanaG> "                     There should be no such thing as a volume-0 icon. "
[17:52] <DanaG> WRONG,.
[17:55] <bjsnider> i don't think i agree with you
[17:55] <bjsnider> if you click and drag the slider out of 0 should the volume become unmuted?
[17:56] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: nope, still no "auto" option ;/
[17:56] <kklimonda> bjsnider: it works like this in many devices
[17:57] <BUGabundo> I'm going crayz
[17:57] <BUGabundo> must be the heat
[17:57] <kklimonda> bjsnider: in my TV when sound is muted I can decrease volume without unmuting it but as soon as I increase it's unmuted
[17:57] <BUGabundo> or else gmail is borked
[17:57] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: it should
[17:58] <bjsnider> kklimonda, i don't think you should be able to do that
[17:58] <bjsnider> well, on the other hand i guess it's ok
[17:59] <kklimonda> bjsnider: fwiw I think that when user raises the volume he wants to hear something
[17:59] <bjsnider> but volume 0 and mute should not be 2 different things
[17:59] <bjsnider> kklimonda, i meant decreasing the volume when sound is mute
[17:59] <bjsnider> but i think that's ok
[18:00] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: to zero, sure
[18:00] <BUGabundo> then again. bellow 60%
[18:00] <BUGabundo> mine is == to mute
[18:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, that's another issue ;)
[18:00] <BUGabundo> I know
[18:00]  * BUGabundo draws the gun on gmail
[18:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: btw, something had to change
[18:01] <BUGabundo> where did I leave my hammer?
[18:01] <BUGabundo> who did I lent it last time?
[18:01] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: because now I actually hear something when my volume is set ~20%
[18:01] <BUGabundo> I want it back
[18:01] <BUGabundo> great
[18:02] <kklimonda> ubuntu-bug alsa-base was it?
[18:05] <BUGabundo> alsa-base or alsa-core
[18:05] <BUGabundo> not sure
[18:05] <BUGabundo> nor I remember if alias "audio" is in already
[18:08] <kklimonda> dtchen is still out? who is main audio hacker now :)
[18:09] <bjsnider> themuso
[18:09] <bjsnider> and dtchen
[18:10] <BUGabundo> right
[18:10] <BUGabundo> you can try #pulseaudio
[18:10] <BUGabundo> not that I ever had much lucj
[18:10] <BUGabundo> *luck
[18:11] <DanaG> I still think zero and mute SHOULD be two different things.
[18:12] <DanaG> They ARE two different things.
[18:12] <bjsnider> not really, sir
[18:12] <DanaG> You ever ask Vista about that?
[18:12] <DanaG> Works that way there.
[18:12] <DanaG> Minimum volume is not the same as mute.
[18:13] <DanaG> There's a "speaker with zero lines" icon.
[18:13] <bjsnider> your argument is what, that microsoft is right about this?
[18:13] <DanaG> Yeah, it feels correct to me.
[18:13] <DanaG> Plus, on my laptop, it's specifically that way.... mute is indicated by a separate control.
[18:13] <DanaG> And there's actually a mute LED... that's supposed to only be orange when specifically muted, not when at zero volume.
[18:14] <Cuddles> bjsnider, 0 == mute does get annoying. If i put the the channel for my front two speakers down to 0, it ends up muting, which mutes the LFE channel aswell
[18:14] <bjsnider> that's a different problem, and i never said it should mute another channel
[18:14] <DanaG> And the orange LED makes me think this: oh, it's muted... I'll just hit the button to unmute it.
[18:15] <DanaG> Nope. I hit unmute... it's still "muted".
[18:15] <DanaG> And then it breaks the LED.
[18:15] <DanaG> Then I end up with the hardware mute and the software mute in opposite states.
[18:15] <DanaG> (that is, when the software mute setting the LED even bothers working... which it doesn't, most of the time.)
[18:16] <billybigrigger> mornin all
[18:16] <DanaG> Even alsamixer disagrees with the zero-volume being mute.
[18:16] <DanaG> I can slide to zero volume, it's -46.5dB.
[18:16] <DanaG> Mute is.... mute.
[18:16] <bjsnider> ok
[18:16] <bjsnider> thanks for clearing that up
[18:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now I see the "Combination of two sliders" behavior in PA ... nifty.
[18:17] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[18:17] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, seems i jumped into the convo at the wrong time :)
[18:17] <BUGabundo> MUTE and ZERO volume are diff things
[18:17] <BUGabundo> NOW STOP IT you two
[18:18] <BUGabundo> yeah billybigrigger
[18:18] <DanaG> Hmm, another interesting observation: open alsamixer on the hardware card, and then use PA to chagne the volume.
[18:18] <BUGabundo> some one has to feeds this two kids
[18:18] <DanaG> Bring the volume to 0... it mutes.
[18:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ......
[18:18] <billybigrigger> pavucontrol broken for anyone else?
[18:18] <billybigrigger> now that we're on the topic of PA :)
[18:18] <DanaG> Now unmute, and it stays at 0.  Icon doesn't change, but alsamixer state does.
[18:18] <oldude67> what the openoffice program compared to m$ money? i need to keep track of what im spending on the roof?
[18:18] <DanaG> That's a bit inconsistent.
[18:19] <BUGabundo> oldude67: gnumoney?
[18:19] <billybigrigger> oldude67, not sure there is an equivalent
[18:19] <BUGabundo> and a few others
[18:19] <billybigrigger> not in the OO.o suite though
[18:19] <DanaG> Even weirder: with it at zero volume, if I mute master, it mutes PCM... but then doesn't unmute it when I unmute PCM.
[18:19] <oldude67> oh ok
[18:19] <oldude67> well something.
[18:19] <DanaG> er, doesn't unmute PCM when I unmute master.
[18:22] <DanaG> oh yeah, one thing bugs me about my bank (Pacific Service): there seems to be no way to use it with online access via anything but proprietary Quicken.
[18:22] <oldude67> kmymoney...:D for what its worth...
[18:23] <DanaG> My iAudio6 player also has one annoyance: 0 volume is mute, and slightly above that is slightly too loud when listening late at night.  There's no middle ground.  =þ
[18:23] <mac_v> !multisearch
[18:26] <DanaG> hmm, right now my mute thingy is back to not working.  odd.
[18:41] <BluesKaj> I suppose the devs are aware of this : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2009-August/000944.html
[18:42] <mac_v> anyone bored can read Bug #402767 , awesome rants! ;p
[18:43] <danbhfive> mac_v: I think that topic made it to slashdot and lwn, meh!
[18:44] <mac_v> danbhfive: i dont see what the fuss is all about! if you dont like it just diasble it! [but i do agree that they should have somehow informed that they are installing this plugin]
[18:47] <kklimonda> mac_v: It should be installed as a separate, recommended package
[18:47] <danbhfive> mac_v: I think its allot of FUD/disinformation..  but personally, I like the idea of the extension.  I would install it if it is optional.  Get better search results, and support Ubuntu?  yes please!
[18:49] <mac_v> but seriously what does it do actually? i didnt understand from the link ! they collecct the pattern for what? are they planning on launching a new search engine or foor what?
[18:49] <mac_v> for*
[18:49] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: around?
[18:50] <BUGabundo> email it is
[18:50]  * Twigathy was initially angry, then disabled it, now doesn't care a great deal c_c
[18:51] <Twigathy> It's just a disabled extension to me!
[18:51] <BUGabundo> -1
[18:51] <mac_v> me too... i disabled it the minute i new it was there!
[18:52] <kklimonda> hmm.. indicator applet doesn't change workplaces?
[18:52] <Twigathy> Yes, for everybody else it's going to be "OMG what's this evil thing argh, where's mah google search!!"... which is very very bad PR for ubuntu :)
[18:52] <kklimonda> workspaces*'
[18:53] <mac_v> hehe the funny thing is , everyone is out for asac's blood! as if he make the decision on his own! ;p
[18:55] <mac_v> !arora
[18:56] <danbhfive> mac_v: I think they just collect what searches are made.  less than what google collects. Then. money is made from ad referrals, not the collected info.
[18:58] <mac_v> danbhfive: bah... i dont think its really about money... if they wanted to make money they would have done this for regular release , not for alpha where the users are more advanced and can quickly recongize the new extension
[19:02] <DanaG> My gripe with multisearch is that it's ugly and it presents a feature regression.
[19:02] <DanaG> Oh, and it OVERRIDES my new-tab behavior.
[19:02] <DanaG> I have mine specifically SET to be blank.
[19:02] <DanaG> And it overrides that.
[19:03] <DanaG> They should, instead, change the default.
[19:05] <kklimonda> DanaG: well, it won't stay forever
[19:06] <DanaG> Still, it's a matter of principle.  I actually don't mind data collection... but I hate when things override preferences.  Just like I hate how the Xorg synaptics driver is now overriding multifinger tapping settings and edge-width settings.
[19:07] <dtchen> i suspect that there is enough backlash to disable it in the final
[19:07] <kklimonda> it is a little rough
[19:07] <kklimonda> dtchen: from asac's comment it wasn't supposed to get into stable release in this form..
[19:08] <DanaG> What they should've done instead: change the defaults in the packaged preferences.js.
[19:08] <DanaG> well, and that's aside from the whole "consent" thing.
[19:08] <DanaG> ... and the functionality regression.
[19:11] <kklimonda> well, it was done poorly
[19:11] <kklimonda> where can I get a list of installed gnome panel applets?
[19:11] <kklimonda> I think I have something duplicated
[19:12] <kklimonda> (actually it's just a hunch)
 uhm, whats the username and password for 9.10? the live session failed to set up the x11 correctly on this hp zt3000 , i got a blank screen in the end
[19:12] <kklimonda> hmm.. try ubuntu without password
[19:13] <bike> ah yes that worked
[19:13] <bike> thanks
[19:14] <bike> well thats interesting, no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:16] <hifi> there shouldn't be
[19:17] <bike> ok, how can i configure the xserver then?
[19:18] <hifi> via hal or generated xorg.conf
[19:18] <hifi> X -configure will do fine
[19:18] <bike> k thanks
[19:21] <BUGabundo> TESTERS: start your engines and test firefox 3.5 on daily PPA to help it migrate to archive $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:25] <bike> how weird, the xserver is trying to start then seems ot crash
[19:29] <kklimonda> bike: see in /var/crash if there are any crash files
[19:31] <BUGabundo> bbl
[19:31] <bike>  kklimonda i was unable to get out of the restart loop
[19:31] <bike> trying again in gfx safe mode
[19:32] <bike> the laptop doesnt have a harddrive so
[19:32] <kklimonda> heh
[19:32] <bike> its been resurrected... ish
[19:32] <bike> i think the gpu is overheating
[19:32] <bike> making it crash after some use
[19:37] <bike> whats sr0?
[19:37] <bike> i get a buffer i/o error
[19:37] <SKB> cdrom
[19:37] <bike> ah
[19:38] <bike> this laptop is close to getting driven over
[19:39] <bike> 5.04 actually worked like a charm, but then overheated and died, thought it might be the drivers
[19:43] <penguin42> has the pulse-rt (or was it pa-rt?) group gone recently for everyone else during update?
[19:49] <FloridaGuy> where do i find the netinstall iso's at
[19:53] <FloridaGuy> anyone here
[19:53] <penguin42> I am, but don't know the answer
[19:56] <FloridaGuy> the netinstall i have right now for 9.10...yerterday...no matter what mirror i choose was saying cant find no kernel module
[20:01] <Jad> hey guys
[20:01] <Jad> I have a question
[20:01] <penguin42> sure
[20:01] <Jad> what's the stage of Ubuntu karmic koala now...?
[20:01] <Jad> alfa3?
[20:01] <Jad> or it is now beta?
[20:01] <penguin42> I think so
[20:01] <Jad> ah
[20:01] <penguin42> think still Alpha3
[20:01] <EagleScreen> it is alpha 3
[20:01] <Jad> did u try it?
[20:01] <Jad> thanks
[20:02] <EagleScreen> but alpha 4 is comming soon
[20:02] <Jad> did anyone try it?
[20:02] <EagleScreen> i am trying kubuntu karmic
[20:02]  * penguin42 is as well
[20:02] <Jad> is it too buggy in alfa 3?
[20:02] <EagleScreen> in general, yes
[20:02] <penguin42> it has some nice things and has some bugs - so that's what you get for an Alpha
[20:02] <Jad> ah
[20:03] <Jad> is there lots of new feautures...?
[20:04] <EagleScreen> An apha version is very unstable, and has the risk of many regressions at this time
[20:05] <Jad> yeah.. im thinking of trying Karmic Koala when the beta is realeased...
[20:05] <EagleScreen> Jad: www.ubuntu.com/testing for more info
[20:05] <Jad> ok thanks :)
[20:05] <penguin42> it might even lose 'l's
[20:05] <Jad> what?
[20:05] <Jad> :P
[20:06] <Jad> EagleScreen
[20:06] <Jad> ur on ubuntu jaunty now?
[20:07] <EagleScreen> i am on karmic right now, and since some weeks
[20:07] <penguin42> EagleScreen: Can you do me a favour and look whether your pulse-rt group has gone?
[20:09] <EagleScreen> penguin42: do u mean in users & groups management?
[20:09] <penguin42> EagleScreen: Yep
[20:09] <mattwj2002> hey guys
[20:09] <mattwj2002> I don't don't mean to complain but....
[20:09] <EagleScreen> i haven't got pulse-rt group
[20:09] <mattwj2002> I need to have a word with who ever compiles the ralink drivers
[20:10] <mattwj2002> there are for some wireless cards
[20:10] <Oli``> Is it possible to get to the guest account at the moment?
[20:10] <mattwj2002> in 9.04 they work....but they don't have the right options compiled for them to work fully
[20:11] <EagleScreen> mattwj2002: do you know what kernel module do you need?
[20:11] <mattwj2002> sure actually two of them
[20:11] <mattwj2002> :)
[20:11] <mattwj2002> one modem too
[20:11] <mattwj2002> *one sec please
[20:12] <bjsnider> mattwj2002, try the one in the lbm package
[20:13] <mattwj2002> rt2860sta
[20:13] <mattwj2002> is the first one
[20:14] <mattwj2002> in the rt2860sta module they didn't compile in support for wpa
[20:14] <penguin42> mattwj2002: I can see an rt2860sta.ko in the current karmic
[20:14] <Jad__> EagleScreen: sry disconnected..
[20:14] <penguin42> ah
[20:14] <Jad-J> I thinkg I've found a bug in some browsers... can U help me make sure of it?
[20:14] <Jad-J> if you have time...
[20:14] <mattwj2002> and I think the other one is rt2870sta
[20:15] <penguin42> again, it is built
[20:15] <Jad-J> ?
[20:15] <mattwj2002> right in is in 9.04 as well but it is built incorrectly
[20:15] <bjsnider> mattwj2002, you probably want to talk to someone in #ubuntu-kernel
[20:15] <penguin42> ok
[20:15] <penguin42> Jad-J: What are you seeing?
[20:15] <mattwj2002> okay
[20:15] <Jad-J> the bug is:
[20:15] <mattwj2002> in rt2870sta there is no support 802.11n
[20:15] <mattwj2002> :)
[20:16] <mattwj2002> okay well do
[20:16] <Jad-J> when you open firefox for exemple.. copy the URL.. then `close` firefox.. you won't be able to paste it anymore..
[20:16] <Jad-J> so it seems firefox is storing what you copy in his clipboard.. and not in ubuntu's clipboard :/
[20:16] <Jad-J> can u try it and see if it give the same result?
[20:16] <penguin42> Jad-J: Are you copying using Edit->Copy or just highlighting?
[20:17] <EagleScreen> yes Jad-J, i have seen that sometimes
[20:17] <Jad-J> ah
[20:17] <Jad-J> yeah
[20:17] <Jad-J> it is also the same in google chrome...
[20:17] <EagleScreen> fortunately i have klipper to recovery clipboard content
[20:17] <Jad-J> I tried it in epiphany.. and it worked as expected.. not like firefox and chrome
[20:17] <Jad-J> ah
[20:18] <Jad-J> so do you think I should file this bug in firefox?
[20:18] <dhq> after i updated karamic today my wirless never connects to the accesspoint what do i do
[20:19] <Jad-J> dhq: are you sure from the WEP key?
[20:19] <dhq> Jad-J: yup
[20:19] <EagleScreen> Jad-J: yes, do it, and add also other browsers with the problem (only if they are in Ubuntu repository), use Also affects distribution in Launchpad to do it
[20:19] <Jad-J> yeah
[20:19] <Jad-J> chrome is in the ubuntu repository...
[20:20] <Jad-J> but why should I add chrome in firefox's bug system?
[20:20] <kklimonda> is it possible to set gnome cpufreq applet to control both cores?
[20:20] <penguin42> kklimonda: Yeh I get a pair of them
[20:20] <EagleScreen> Jad-J: which package name has chrome in Ubuntu?
[20:20] <penguin42> kklimonda: I think I might just have two of them running, one configured for each core
[20:20] <Jad-J> 1 min to see.. and btw chrome is still in a very early version...
[20:20] <Jad-J> i think it didnt reach alfa:P
[20:20] <kklimonda> penguin42: well, I do it same way
[20:21] <Jad-J> EagleScreen: it's called: Google-Chrome
[20:21] <EagleScreen> Jad-J: a bug in ubuntu can affect to more than one package (firefox, arora, chrome...)
[20:21] <penguin42> kklimonda: That's got to be a pain when you have an 8 core :-)
[20:22] <Jad-J> EagleScreen: but man the bug is not in ubuntu.. it's in the browser right?
[20:22] <kklimonda> penguin42: I'm pretty sure it can be set manually somewhere in /sys/devices/... but I don't like it
[20:22] <penguin42> kklimonda: Nod
[20:22] <Jad-J> because it worked in Epiphany browser.. and it worked in the nautilus file manager...
[20:22] <EagleScreen> Jad-J: the Ubuntu developpers will decide where the bug is, but have to mention all related packages
[20:22] <Jad-J> ah
[20:22]  * penguin42 could believe it might be a library issue that they're both using
[20:23] <Jad-J> so I file it in ubuntu not in firefox?
[20:23] <EagleScreen> yeah
[20:23] <Jad-J> although i'm pretty sure it's a bug from firefox..
[20:23] <Jad-J> firefox is copying the URL to IT'S clipboard only.. without using ubuntu's clipboard..
[20:23] <Jad-J> that's why when u close it... u can't paste it anymore
[20:23] <kklimonda> Jad: the problem of content disappearing from clipboard when application is closed is known for ages
[20:23] <EagleScreen> Jad-J: you have to repoert a bug in Ubuntu, and in package firefox inside Ubuntu
[20:23] <kklimonda> Jad-J: so don't bother reporting it
[20:24] <Jad-J> kklimonda: ah ok.. i just noticed it now...
[20:24] <Jad-J> and why didn't they fix it?:O
[20:24] <Jad-J> EagleScreen yeah
[20:24] <kklimonda> because it's not easy
[20:24] <Jad-J> :O
[20:24] <Jad-J> kklimonda: they were disappearing like I'm saying? or accidently disappearing?
[20:25] <kklimonda> Jad-J: when you close an application you can no longer paste text copied from it
[20:25] <Jad-J> kklimonda: yeah .. this is what i encountered
[20:25] <Jad-J> so i won't fill it
[20:25] <Jad-J> thanks :)
[20:26] <dhq> Jad-J: after the new update today, the whole network interface changed and now i can enter the wep key for any network, but i cant connect to it
[20:26] <Jad-J> dhq: ah.. actually i don't know
[20:26] <Jad-J> ask people who have ubuntu Karmin Koala installed
[20:26] <Jad-J> like:
[20:27] <Jad-J> EagleScreen
[20:27] <Jad-J> and
[20:27] <Jad-J> Penguin42
[20:27] <dhq> penguin42: EagleScreen ^^
[20:27]  * penguin42 doesn't have wireless
[20:27] <JAd> :O
[20:27] <JAd> EagleScreen...? :P
[20:27] <EagleScreen> what happened?
[20:27] <Jad> :P
[20:28]  * penguin42 really should set it up someday, but I find I like to follow my packets
[20:28] <dhq> lol
[20:28] <Jad> dhq.. ask EagleScreen
[20:28] <dhq> EagleScreen:  after the new update today, the whole network interface changed and now i can enter the wep key for any network, but i cant connect to it
[20:28] <EagleScreen> yes, today networkmanager 0.7 has been replaced by a snapshot of networkmanager 0.8
[20:29] <dhq> EagleScreen: did you try it
[20:29] <EagleScreen> only for cable
[20:29] <Jad> Tijj
[20:29] <dhq> EagleScreen: yes i am on cable and cable works fine... but problems in wireless ... can you confirm
[20:30] <EagleScreen> dhq: the applet you use to connect can be important, what are you using?
[20:31] <Jad> tujtijateur
[20:31] <dhq> EagleScreen: knetworkmanager
[20:31] <EagleScreen> KDE4 version?
[20:31] <Jad> or gnome?
[20:32] <Jad> !kde | dhq
[20:32] <Jad> :P
[20:32] <dhq> Jad: i am on kubuntu lol
[20:32] <Jad> ah :P
[20:32] <Jad> !kubuntu
[20:32] <dhq> lol
[20:33] <EagleScreen> dhq: are you using the recently new small applet in taskbar?
[20:33] <dhq> Jad: people are not much exprienced on #kubuntu with the new karamic koala
[20:33] <dhq> yup
[20:33] <slacker_nl> dhq: i run/ran it
[20:34] <EagleScreen> a momment dhq
[20:34] <dtchen> i use kubuntu-ish kde in karmic
[20:34] <penguin42> dtchen: Do you know what happened to the pulse-rt group?
[20:34] <bjsnider> dtchen, as your regular desktop?
[20:35] <dtchen> bjsnider: yes
[20:36] <dhq> slacker_nl: ??
[20:36] <dtchen> it's the only way i anticipate migrating kubuntu to use pulseaudio in some reasonable timeframe
[20:37] <Jad> ok
[20:37] <dhq> i get confused with pulseaudio and alsa
[20:37] <Jad> tijj
[20:37] <dtchen> penguin42: defunct/obsolete; either wait for the linux patches to enable rtkit, or use the pam method for rt
[20:37] <dtchen> (the "pam method" being /etc/security/limits.conf)
[20:37] <penguin42> dtchen: Ah OK, because I'd managed to nail a lot of my clicking and popping by adding myself to pulse-rt
[20:37] <BUGabundo> hey dtchen
[20:38] <dtchen> BUGabundo: hi
[20:38] <dtchen> penguin42: right. the migration path is rtkit, but barring that, the pam->rt bit
[20:38] <EagleScreen> dhq are you using this applet to conect? http://imagebin.ca/view/Uro5ps.html
[20:39] <dtchen> dhq: what's to be confused?
[20:39] <dhq> well i dont know which one to use
[20:39] <BUGabundo> dtchen: do you know why my keyb keys won't change Volume or Mute, but I still see notify osd?
[20:39] <dhq> and i cant use 2 applications to play audio ... cauz the new application turns out audioless :(
[20:40] <penguin42> dtchen: I can see rtkit in apt but it's not installed, I guess it'll get added as a dependency and pulled in sometime?
[20:40] <Jad> Tijj
[20:40] <loonyphoenix> when's pulseaudio going to be fixed? :(
[20:40] <dhq> EagleScreen: yup
[20:40] <Jad> Tijj Tijj TUJTIJATEUR
[20:40] <dtchen> dhq: if you're using ubuntu karmic, there's no compelling reason to not use pulseaudio
[20:40] <dtchen> dhq: pulseaudio is a sound server that uses alsa.
[20:40] <EagleScreen> dhq: and yesterday, could you connect well?
[20:40] <dtchen> dhq: and, to what two applications are you referring?
[20:40] <dtchen> loonyphoenix: more specifically?
[20:41] <dhq> hmm but i have the option of pulseaudio and alsa in sound settings
[20:41] <penguin42> dtchen: For some people pulse can still cause people a lot of pain
[20:41] <loonyphoenix> audio would stop playing every 2-15 minutes randomly
[20:41] <dhq> EagleScreen: when it was the older version i could connect
[20:41] <loonyphoenix> and then start again
[20:41] <loonyphoenix> plus, the volume of programs is now adjusting overall system volume
[20:41] <dtchen> penguin42: that's not a compelling reason to not use it
[20:41] <dhq> loonyphoenix: true
[20:41] <bjsnider> sounds like a buffer underrun
[20:42] <dtchen> penguin42: that sounds like a compelling reason to get it fixed in the karmic timeframe
[20:42] <penguin42> dtchen: Oh I agree
[20:42] <EagleScreen> dhq you can test with network-manager-kde applet (it is KDE3 version), if not it is problem of 0.8 version of networkmanager daemon
[20:42] <dtchen> loonyphoenix: you can disable flatvol if you're annoyed by it
[20:42] <loonyphoenix> dtchen: what would that do exactly?
[20:43] <loonyphoenix> and how would i do that?
[20:43] <dhq> EagleScreen: anyidea when it will get corrected
[20:43] <dtchen> loonyphoenix: also, please file bugs with useful backtraces instead of handwaving about the symptoms. i can't help you without actual data.
[20:43] <dtchen> loonyphoenix: disabling flatvol reverts to the "old" behaviour of volume control
[20:44] <loonyphoenix> Apport filed one of these bugs for me and later reports I just ignored
[20:44] <EagleScreen> dhq it may be corrected some day
[20:44] <loonyphoenix> because it seemed like the same bug
[20:44] <penguin42> dtchen: flash (as always) is still being pesky on 64bit, it's not doing any audio while pulse is on
[20:44] <kklimonda> interesting, empathy can check spelling in different languages at the same time.
[20:44] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: that's cool
[20:44] <dhq> EagleScreen: lol, thanks
[20:44] <dtchen> penguin42: 64-bit Flash 10 alpha refresh from 30 July works fine here
[20:44] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: if only it wasn't so minimalistic...
[20:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, speaking of pulseaudio.... RAOP output broke in 0.9.16.
[20:44] <bjsnider> here too
[20:44] <dtchen> penguin42: if you're using the nspluginwrapper with the 32-bit plugin, Adobe refuses to support it
[20:45] <loonyphoenix> dtchen: okay then, I want to try it out. could you tell me how to disable flatfov?
[20:45] <DanaG> I prefer nspluginwrapper, so I can kill Flash without killing the whole damn browser.
[20:45] <EagleScreen> karmic is deprecating HAL in flavour of devicekit and udev, so some keys or other hardware detection can suffer on regressions during transition
[20:45] <penguin42> dtchen: Problem is that the 64bit one noirmally takes out the whole of ff
[20:45] <kklimonda> loonyphoenix: do you miss any particular features? (other than metacontacts ;} )
[20:45] <dtchen> in fact, Adobe has stated flatly that using nspluginwrapper with the 32-bit plugin is the _wrong_ thing to do
[20:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, there's something screwy with udev and ACLs on my surround sound USB sound card.
[20:45] <penguin42> dtchen: I'd rather have to pause my pulse than installing flash without nspluginwrapper
[20:46] <bjsnider> penguin42, no it does not
[20:46] <kklimonda> dtchen: any idea why *something* doesn't unmute my headphones when I connect them? speakers are muted but I have to unmute headphones by hand
[20:46] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: are transports still not supported?
[20:46] <penguin42> bjsnider: ?
[20:46] <Jad> tijj?
[20:46] <dtchen> DanaG: udev bug, see https://code.launchpad.net/~crimsun/udev/ubuntu
[20:46] <bjsnider> 64-bit liblashplugin.so works all the time, no exceptions and never takes down ff
[20:46] <dtchen> what the heck is this, bombard dan with questions?
[20:46] <Jad> im 32-bit
[20:46] <DanaG> Cool, "known issue" is enough for me -- thanks!
[20:46] <penguin42> bjsnider: It might be worth another go then, certainly last time I used it was very flaky
[20:47] <kklimonda> loonyphoenix: I was always wondering why would you want to use transports in multiprotocol communicators. (no, they aren't)
[20:47] <penguin42> dtchen: Well you are the one who knows :-)
[20:47] <dtchen> kklimonda: you're not providing enough detail
[20:47] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: I like my chat history in gmail)
[20:47] <Jad> dtchen: Im bored :/
[20:47]  * Jad is bored :/
[20:47] <kklimonda> dtchen: ubuntu-bug alsa-base would be enough?
[20:47] <bjsnider> penguin42, try wiping out every flash-replaed package on your system. download the plugin from adobe, drop the file in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[20:47] <dtchen> kklimonda: yes
[20:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what else... paprefs has the whole "Network Access" tab disabled.
[20:48] <penguin42> bjsnider: OK, I'll give it a go
[20:48] <BUGabundo> YOH ppl no one testing FF 3.5 migration?? we NEED testers NOW
[20:48] <kklimonda> dtchen: bug 410769
[20:48]  * Jad is bored
[20:48] <BUGabundo> Jad: then do something. help out
[20:48] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What do you need?
[20:48] <dhq> thank salot guy gotta run
[20:48] <Jad> cani help?
[20:48] <BUGabundo> penguin42: firefox daily ppa 3.5
[20:48] <Jad> dhq it worked?
[20:48] <dhq> nope
[20:48] <Jad> :O
[20:49] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Ah, I've been running the main 3.5 for a while will that confuse things?
[20:49] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: also, does empathy notify of emails?
[20:49] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: with a sound?
[20:49] <kklimonda> loonyphoenix: should it? after all it's an IM and not a email notification icon
[20:50] <Jad> BUGabundo how can i help?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> penguin42: shouldn't, but make a profile backup
[20:50] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: if you're gonna implement Jabber protocol, you should implement it fully)
[20:50] <BUGabundo> Jad: just add the daily ppa for firefox
[20:50] <BUGabundo> and install 3.5
[20:50] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: and the mail notification system is damn usefull
[20:50] <Jad> what?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> and test to see if it Imports 3.0 profile
[20:50] <Jad> :O
[20:50] <Jad> well.. actually i have a problem with 3.5
[20:51] <Jad> im still on 3.0 :S
[20:51] <Jad> dunno why..
[20:51] <BUGabundo> what was that trick to import a ppa?
[20:51] <Jad> although i have 3.5 installed
[20:51] <BUGabundo> I never rememver
[20:51] <DanaG> Oh, and I tried empathy... it sucks.  Total lack of features and plugins I use in Pidgin, and the voice support didn't even seem to work... it didn't offer voice-chat for friends with iChat on AIM protocol.
[20:51] <BUGabundo> Jad: great. now is the time to test
[20:51] <Jad> if i exec: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5 .. nothing will install
[20:51] <Jad> BUGabundo TEST WHAT?!:P it's not wrking
[20:51] <Jad> working*
[20:51] <BUGabundo> Jad: if no one reports probs it will hit the archives soon
[20:51]  * Jad saluts Armageddon
[20:51] <kklimonda> loonyphoenix: developer's time is finite and some features (like voip) are more interesting for majority of users.
[20:51] <BUGabundo> Jad: that's not what we are testings
[20:52] <Jad> ah
[20:52] <BUGabundo> we are testing the migraton from 3.0 to 3.5
[20:52] <Jad> why don't u go to firefox's channel?
[20:52] <BUGabundo> using the daily ppa version
[20:52] <Jad> u would find more people interested...
[20:52] <BUGabundo> Jad: I 'm tehre dude
[20:52] <BUGabundo> we need more testers
[20:52] <Jad> :P
[20:52] <Jad> well i can't since it's not working here :s
[20:52] <BUGabundo> or else when we release it on the archive
[20:52] <BUGabundo> YOU will come complain
[20:52] <BUGabundo> inteasted telling us BEFORE
[20:52] <Jad> ok give me the channel and server name..
[20:52] <BUGabundo> grrrrr
[20:53] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: why do they reinvent the wheel all of the time then? I like Pidgin well enough; Gajim is a very good client. Why do you need to waste manpower on something that already works with other software? what's so different about Empathy?
[20:53] <Jad> haha
[20:53] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-mozilateam
[20:53]  * Jad TIJJ
[20:53] <Jad> ok thanks
[20:53] <Jad> :D
[20:53] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: there are more important issues gnome should pay attention to, imo, than implementing yet another im client...
[20:53] <dtchen> kklimonda: so, essentially you want "something" to (un)mute 'Headphone' and 'Speaker' automatically?
[20:53] <kklimonda> loonyphoenix: but Empathy is just a brick built on the top of Telepathy framework
[20:54] <kklimonda> dtchen: It worked just fine - When I plugged headphones I could hear music in them (and speakers were muted) and vice versa.
[20:54] <DanaG> oh, and I use my same pidgin logs for both Windows and Linux; that's a blocker for me for using empathy.
[20:54] <Jad> tijj
[20:55] <loonyphoenix> kklimonda: well, then, they shouldn't have been wasting time on telepathy either...
[20:55] <dtchen> kklimonda: sorry? "worked?"
[20:55] <kklimonda> dtchen: in Jaunty that is :)
[20:56] <dtchen> kklimonda: right, i have retitled the bug to make that explicit (and would appreciate that being done in the future)
[20:57] <Jeruvy> with regards to karmic, what componants are installed 'default' for samba?  Just samba-common, or is there others (or a link to an article :)
[20:58] <Jeruvy> maybe what I seek is a list of packages for inclusion...(goes hunting)
[21:00] <Armageddon> btw, i wanted to say something, Installing Evolution from the Karmic Koala Packages on Jaunty Jackalops cause Jaunty to uninstall all of its packages, and i mean all of them which will cause a format
[21:00] <BUGabundo> Jeruvy: check the depencies of ubuntu-desktop seed
[21:00] <BUGabundo> Armageddon: of course
[21:00] <Armageddon> same is trying to compile the packages manually
[21:00] <BUGabundo> it depends on higher gnome libs
[21:00] <Armageddon> i didn't know that which caused me to format 6 times in 2 days :D
[21:01] <Jeruvy> BUGabundo: not clear on how to find that out (don't have a karmic build available)  but according to packages, there are 3, samba, samba-common, and samba-bin.
[21:02] <kklimonda> loonyphoenix: one of the main goals of GNOME is to provide a full development platform - and integration with internet services is one of (more important) features GNOME
[21:02] <kklimonda> GNOME's developers want to provide
[21:02] <Armageddon> trial and error
[21:03] <Armageddon> waiting badely for Karmic Koala to go into Beta Phase so i can start helping you with the Beta Testing
[21:03] <loonyphoenix> loonyphoenix: couldn't they use an existing application, or its fork at least, like Pidgin, so as not to duplicate other people's work?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> Jeruvy: packages.ubuntu.com ??
[21:03] <Jeruvy> BUGabundo: yep sorry :)
[21:03] <dtchen> kklimonda: which Lenovo is yours?
[21:03] <DanaG> Empathy is severely lacking on features.
[21:04] <kklimonda> dtchen: Thinkpad T61 7663-15G
[21:04] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....after a big upgrade today, my wireless doesn't work any more....can someone help me out?
[21:08] <durt> m_tadeu, what packages where upgraded? kernel? If so, what happens when you reboot to the previous kernel?
[21:08] <Jad> m_tadeu: someone just said the same as u..
[21:09] <loonyphoenix> btw, is the bug with compiz and intel video when fullscreen video flicers when controls appear/disappear known?
[21:09] <loonyphoenix> I'm trying to look for it but having trouble finding
[21:09] <loonyphoenix> because there are many similar bugs
[21:11] <dtchen> kklimonda: so, briefly, jack-sensing doesn't appear to work?
[21:13] <kklimonda> dtchen: at least not completely - When I plug headphones I don't hear sound anywhere (i.e. speakers get muted)
[21:13] <m_tadeu> durt: it was a really big upgrade...I recal the kernel was there and so was knetworkmanager
[21:14] <dtchen> kklimonda: ok, please describe precisely what happens. let's say you don't have hp inserted. are the speakers unmuted? what happens when you remove hp?
[21:16] <Jad> tijj
[21:16] <Jad> tujtijateur
[21:17] <loonyphoenix> okay since nobody is saying anything I'll report the bug. Maybe i'm the only one having it...
[21:20] <kklimonda> dtchen: (it was before) speakers are unmuted after i login, when I insert HP jack speakers are muted but HPs aren't unmuted, when I disconnect HPs speakers get unmuted
[21:21] <dtchen> kklimonda: and now?
[21:22] <kklimonda> dtchen: now I had installed pavucontrol and selected port to Analog Headphones - this setting stayed though reboot
[21:28] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are this yours:
[21:28] <BUGabundo> ALSA lib ../../src/conf.c:2700:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[21:28] <BUGabundo> ALSA lib ../../../src/control/control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0
[21:28] <dtchen> kklimonda: ok, let's see if it's pulseaudio. please use: echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf && killall pulseaudio
[21:28] <BUGabundo> got them from WINE
[21:28] <kklimonda> dtchen: done
[21:28] <dtchen> BUGabundo: that's 408615
[21:29] <BUGabundo> bug 408615
[21:29] <BUGabundo> kewl
[21:30] <kklimonda> dtchen: still doesn't work - when I plugin HPs, they aren't unmuted (the same as it was)
[21:30] <dtchen> kklimonda: please ensure that PA is not active.  sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[21:31] <kklimonda> dtchen: is dead for sure, only mplayer in lsof output
[21:31] <dtchen> kklimonda: ok, so you definitely have a linux regression
[21:32] <dtchen> sigh. these jack/event changes are such a PITA
[21:32] <dtchen> they've broken internal mics for just about all laptops
[21:35] <dtchen> kklimonda: i'll try to have a patch for you by mid-week; if you're not comfortable rolling your own kernels, i can try to spin some
[21:35] <kklimonda> dtchen: sure, I think I can handle it
[21:36] <DanaG> Interestingly enough, PA doesn't offer me any input-jack selection.
[21:36] <DanaG> ... for any of my sound cards.
[21:36] <DanaG> I seem to remember reading that it was now supposed to.
[21:36] <dtchen> then your codec hasn't exposed it
[21:36] <dtchen> pa can't just magically create the events
[21:37] <DanaG> Hmm, but alsamixer already has an input-select thingy.
[21:37] <DanaG> Is that not what it's using, then?
[21:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and my mute-LED behavior is still a bit funky.
[21:38] <dtchen> having the mixer elements is not the same as generating and reporting the jack events
[21:38] <dtchen> normally these are exposed in patch_codec.c::*codecmodel_auto*()
[21:42] <DanaG> grr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/+bug/410556
[21:42] <DanaG> Samsung ML-1210 here.
[21:43] <penguin42> DanaG: I've had some odd behaviour on my ML-4500 - it really doesn't seem to like greys and I've had things where none of the fonts printed, even though I've been able to render the same postscript file on screen
[21:43] <DanaG> For me, it's giving entirely blank sheets, and nothing else.
[21:44] <DanaG> grr, now I have to boot Jaunty to print something.
[21:47] <billybigrigger> printing woes now? oh boy
[21:48] <drs305> I spent most of yesterday trying to eliminate 'blank page' printing - and failed.
[21:49] <drs305> CUPS, HPLIP, fooz2zjs (non-repo), etc
[21:49] <drs305> * foo2zjs
[21:49] <billybigrigger> wow i see what you mean by blank pages haha my printer just spit out 5
[21:49]  * billybigrigger grabs the bandaids for his papercuts
[21:49] <drs305> Welcome to the club.
[21:50] <billybigrigger> Epson Stylus NX200 here
[21:50] <drs305> As DanaG said, your printer will probably still work in Jaunty.
[21:50] <drs305> HPLJ-1000
[21:51] <billybigrigger> i worked in A1 and A2
[21:51] <drs305> Yeah, mine too.
[21:51] <billybigrigger> actually i didn't work, it did
[21:51] <drs305> hehe.
[21:55] <genii> Will there be a ksplice backport to 8.04?
[22:02] <dtchen> might want to ask in #ksplice
[22:11] <genii> OK, thanks
[23:13] <dupondje> somebody alive & kickin ? ;)
[23:13] <penguin42> just about
[23:14] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[23:14] <dupondje> found out whats causing it
[23:14] <dupondje> just need confirmation :)
[23:14] <bjsnider> gremlins?
[23:14] <dupondje> somebody has 'Width Font' set to 8pt ?
[23:15] <dupondje> (the last of the 5 fonts u can set)
[23:15] <dupondje> have dutch text here ;)
[23:16] <penguin42> dupondje: Yes I do
[23:17] <penguin42> dupondje: I have Fixed width font set as Monospace 8
[23:17] <dupondje> hmz
[23:17] <dupondje> but u don't have the bug I pasted ?
[23:17] <penguin42> I don't normally use aptitutde
[23:18]  * penguin42 eats the spare t
[23:18] <TylerR> hey is anybody else's mouse clicks in flash (not hover ) working??? can some one verify problem is not me
[23:18] <penguin42> TylerR: They're working here
[23:19] <penguin42> TylerR: 32bit flash in nspluginwrapper
[23:21] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[23:21] <dupondje> if somebody could confirm
[23:21] <penguin42> dupondje: How wide is your terminal in characters?
[23:21] <dupondje> how u mean ?
[23:22] <penguin42> how many columns
[23:22] <dupondje> how can I check ? ;)
[23:22] <penguin42> dupondje: stty
[23:23] <dupondje> speed 38400 baud; line = 0;
[23:23] <dupondje> eol = M-^?; eol2 = M-^?; swtch = M-^?;
[23:23] <dupondje> ixany iutf8
[23:23] <penguin42> sorry, stty -a   - top line
[23:24] <dupondje> speed 38400 baud; rows 85; columns 316; line = 0;
[23:24] <penguin42> right
[23:24] <penguin42> dupondje: Now, it's just a guess, try making your window narrower and trying your bug again - I wonder if it starts working when it gets narrower than say 256 chars
[23:26] <dupondje> 312
[23:26] <dupondje> then it works :s
[23:27] <penguin42> now that's a weird number; 256 is a nice round number
[23:28] <dupondje> ok
[23:28] <dupondje> 312 = OK
[23:28] <dupondje> 313 = FAIL
[23:28] <penguin42> 311?
[23:28] <dupondje> >= 312 = OK
[23:29] <dupondje> <= 312 = OK
[23:29] <dupondje> I mean ;)
[23:30] <penguin42> dupondje: OK, you see by my reckoning it's rare for terminal apps to know about the font being used - but they do know about the width
[23:30] <dupondje> aptitude is the only giving me issues :s
[23:30] <dupondje> and its annoying ;)
[23:31] <penguin42> I've had something similar on an old version of mutt but I think that happens at 256 chars
[23:33] <penguin42> dupondje: Out of curiosity what displays are you running? You must have what, 2500pixels or so accross ?
[23:33] <dupondje> 1920x1200
[23:33] <dupondje> 17" :)
[23:34] <penguin42> ah, the 8 is 8pt not 8 pixel
[23:34] <dupondje> pt indeed ;)
[23:34] <penguin42> yeh, I'm running 1920x1080+1280x800
[23:34] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[23:34] <dupondje> added comment now :p
[23:35] <dupondje> but prolly nobody will ever fix it :(
[23:35] <penguin42> dupondje: I dunno, it's pretty well defined like that now and lots of people are getting nice 1920 monitors these days
[23:35] <dupondje> true, but the bugreport is there for like a month
[23:35] <dupondje> and really nobody has the same issue ;)
[23:35] <penguin42> lots are, lots of bugs need fixing
[23:36] <penguin42> but a bug that has a very clear cause is a lot easier for someone to find the problem with so stands a much better chance
[23:36] <dupondje> anyway, thx for debugging it :) we know the real bug now :)
[23:36] <dupondje> going to sleep now :)
[23:36] <dupondje> nite
[23:37] <penguin42> night
[23:40] <bjsnider> penguin42, you're using 32-bit flash?
[23:40] <penguin42> bjsnider: Yes
[23:41] <bjsnider> strange
[23:41] <penguin42> but as you say I will try the 64bit stuff again