[00:00] well, i could be wrong because i don't have a special phone, and i don't trust wireless headphones [00:13] I was reading the h-online about graphics and audio in kernel 31, I saw many fixes to the audio drivers. So I was thinking that it might be better to post the regression I have to kernel developers instead of waiting ubuntu fix [it seems there are lack of resources in ubuntu side], the problem every time I file a bug upstream I got ignored even I attach all the log, what do you think ? [00:14] aboSamoor: You can always try building a kernel.org kernel and see if it still happens [00:16] penguin42, from 7.10-karmic up to date it is not working. [00:16] aboSamoor: What in particular? [00:17] penguin42, int/ext mic is not working in Conexant CX20549 (Venice) chips [00:18] aboSamoor: Have you tried some of the debugging tricks - there are parameters you can pass to the audio modules that tweak a lot of things [00:18] usually if the mic is working on a machine this means that you have to remove PA, it is hard most of the time to configure PA to run the mic and impossible if you want to use skype. [00:21] penguin42, I think I tried many things in 8.04 but not with karmic, can you take a quick look at BUG 278648, no one mentioned any special flags or parameters [00:21] Launchpad bug 278648 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[regression]snd-hda-intel sound input does not work at all with Conexant CX20549 (Venice) chips " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278648 [00:24] aboSamoor: Long bug [00:26] aboSamoor: So my reading of that is that there is a fix and people showing how to fix it on there, but the fix needs to get into the main and karmic kernels [00:26] penguin42, sorry, but really I am confused and disappointed. I did not want the mic till 9.04 and since a long time it is not working. I don't want to mention the fax modem problem it uses the same chip [00:27] penguin42, I tried the fix, it is not working most of the time, and even if the mic is working you lost the speakers [00:28] penguin42, maybe the fix is correct, but for me [2 years user of ubuntu] it is really hard to understand how PA is integrated with the system, so if the patch is working this does not mean that you get a working system [00:29] aboSamoor: Well it looks like that bug also already has an upstream bug on the alsa project which is probalby the right place [00:29] aboSamoor: You could also try running without Pulseaudio [00:32] penguin42, can you send me the alsa bug link :), is there any guide to disable/enable PA and apply alsa parameters. usually the things I find are outdated [00:32] aboSamoor: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=4163 that was from the bug 278648 [00:32] Launchpad bug 278648 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[regression]snd-hda-intel sound input does not work at all with Conexant CX20549 (Venice) chips " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278648 [00:34] trying to install 9.10 alpha3 from the net install cd....and what ever mirror i choose.. it says it can find kernel module...are they having mirrors issues or something? [00:45] any idea how to disable pulseaudio in the safest way ? [00:52] aboSamoor: i just answered that [00:53] dtchen, I am now searching how to disable autospawn for linux process in general and PA particularly [00:53] hi! am I the only one for whom python-2.6 and dpkg regularly segfault on karmic? [00:54] aboSamoor: it's pretty straightforward. just echo autospawn = no|tee ~/.pulse/client.conf [00:54] Q-FUNK: i haven't experienced that symptom, but i'm just one user [00:56] dtchen: roger that [01:05] I figured out why my suspend button was not working. [01:05] - action: /apps/gnome-power-manager/buttons/suspend set to blank (The suspend button has been pressed.) [01:05] wtf? [01:05] suspend button... just blanks screen? that's silly. [01:10] would anyone know anything about what could cause bug #410532 ? [01:10] Launchpad bug 410532 in udev "udev: Karmic: incorrectly pulls i915 modules on Geode hardware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410532 [01:10] oh yeah, and what is this "xsplash" I see mentioned in the GDM conffile prompt? [01:10] com.ubuntu.bootcurtain [01:11] is sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart enough to that alsa will recognize any new options in alsa-base.conf ? [01:12] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReport/XSplash [01:20] Still doesn't say what xsplash is! [01:29] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commit;h=3bf768245b98479a14190e1e1d32ef5fae3ddf8a [01:30] andersk: I asked in #pulseaudio, and "mezcalero" said my lack of surround sound is likely a udev issue; this patch is part of the fix. [02:03] DanaG: I just came in, you have no surround sound ? [02:04] Yeah. I asked in #pulseaudio, and mezcalero said it was likely a udev ACL issue. [02:05] DanaG: run alsamixer from trml and check if channels are set right (6~8 channel) and unmuted [02:06] That's not the issue at all. The issue is PulseAudio not even offering ANY output on the thing. [02:06] which chip ? [02:07] usb-audio -- CM106. [02:36] DanaG: I found a thread from suse saying recompiling alsa might hel, might try : http://paste.ubuntu.com/249540/ [02:37] the problem isn't ALSA... it's udev and pulseaudio. [02:39] DanaG: ok, me having too less experience with usb-sound then, sorry [03:43] wow it is awful quiet in here, everyone must of started parting early for the weekend..:D [03:54] I just got back from having a few , can't party like i used to , now i'm searching for aspirin and a glass of water :P [03:55] BluesKaj, i hear you there...:( this ol dog is more like stay on the porch too..lol [03:58] I'll be 66 in 6days ...dunno if 67 is your age or the yr you were born ...not too many guys in their 60s hanging out in Linux chats :) [03:59] * BluesKaj is an old drummer , hence the the bluesnick [03:59] 67 is the year i was born, just turned 42 and feel like im an old timer in hear, i can imagine how you feel..lol [04:01] heh, my son was born in '66 :) [04:02] i just think of how lucky the kids are today, to be able to run programs on computers like ubuntu and stuff...wished i had had them when i was younger..:( [04:03] 42 isn't old ...i've met quite few guys on these chats who are in their 50s ...oldtime unix guys [04:03] i wished i had played around more on the computers when unix was a main os. [04:04] i wouldnt feel so dumb now in here..lol [04:05] yeah, my older brother took IBM courses back in the early 60s when his company was installing those monster business machine computers in their offices [04:05] i rexall him cursing about fortran [04:05] recall [04:06] of course i had no idea what that was [04:07] my dad took a lot of courses too when they started in the early 70's and i wished i would of had him teach me more..he took all that crap too fortran and unix and a few other i think one was even called pascal. or something like that. [04:08] maybe if i had taken the time back when i was a kid i wouldnt keep crashing this thing every other day..lol [04:09] don't think my brother actually ever used the systems cuz he was in sales for Nestle and was on the road or flying here and there a lot. [04:11] my dad started using windows and then he just gave up on all the others. said windows would rule the world..he would be so surprised now if he was still alive. [04:11] I used dos based applications programs on my job for yrs before windows came along and complicated things :) [04:12] oh he was a whiz when it came to dos, he could make the old 386 machines just purr like a kitten.lol [04:13] now i wished i knew unix commands he had forgotten...i dont even use or like windows..lol [04:15] was a lab tech that used computer driven apps on lab instruments that measured all kinds of metals and organic carbon based chemicals ..computers were a tool that we needed to learn ...personally i found them a PITA the first few yrs :P [04:15] i just write everything down now as i learn them. and keep a notebook on the desk for reference,just wished i knew more on vnc and perl and python. [04:16] thats how i was in school we started with the old apple IIe's and well they was just junk. [04:16] so i lost interest till here recently and started learning again. [04:18] before computers we had printouts and used guages etc and wrote the readings down and calc'd the results with a slide rule ...handhelds were too $$$ [04:19] ya and now all you have to do is open your phone and hit the internet..:( [04:23] well BluesKaj hope you have a good night, time for me to try and do the sleep thing, been nice talking to you...have a good one. [04:25] same to you , sleep weell [04:25] we;ll === drs305 is now known as ds35 === ds35 is now known as drs305 [05:13] awalton: hi... just a doubt, the partition labels in "Computer" are reported by device-kit or by gvfs? the labels reported are as "120 GB ATA TOSHIBA MK1234GSX: 9.7 GB Filesystem" this is in a fresh Karmic install , previously it didnt have the "120 GB ATA TOSHIBA MK1234GSX:" for partitions [05:14] mac_v: I believe that's gonna be devicekit. [05:16] SeveredCross: ah...OK... just had a doubt because the icons icon for the volumes are assigned by gvfs [05:16] I think gvfs asks devicekit for the names, but don't quote me on that. [05:26] it's the devicekit backend in gvfs [05:27] gvfsd-dkd needs to set the display-name attribute to something sane and not nonsense like that [05:58] awalton: just now noticed your response ,so bug should be against gvfs *only* right? [06:06] ah.. just realized that such labels in Computer was an upstream decision! [07:58] * cwillu_clone does a happy dance on the grave of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43066 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86382 [07:58] Launchpad bug 43066 in gnome-panel "Window list behaves bad when panel is vertical." [Unknown,Confirmed] [08:00] who's the resident gnome guy here? [08:06] what's the traditional args to create a patch?? [08:31] I have an issue with gdm [08:31] It won't start automatically [08:31] I have to sudo gdm from console [08:33] nevermind [08:34] I did sudo dpgk-reconfigure gdm and the problem vanished [08:35] loonyphoenix: what about the graphical menu in gnome to configure autostart-programs? dont remember, where you can find it, but there should be one [08:35] gdmsetup [08:35] don't know, since I managed without it) [08:35] if you cant find it, install rcconf, start it in the terminal by tipping sudo rcconf, look for gdm in the menu and activate it [08:36] (10:34:13) loonyphoenix: I did sudo dpgk-reconfigure gdm and the problem vanished [08:36] I think you missed this [08:36] thanks anyway) [08:36] i would look for it in rcconf anyway [08:37] okay [08:38] after that look for logs. boot with nosplash and see what happens, when gdm should start. look for logs in syslog and /var/log/gdm [08:44] Yeah, I do still have the problem [08:45] How do I turn on nosplash? [08:45] with grub2? [08:46] and gdm in rcconf was activated, btw [08:48] sash_: how do I boot with nosplash with grub2? [08:50] loonyphoenix: well, at the moment, i am installing my very first karmic in vbox, so i cant really tell you. i am looking for it, but i read some days ago that the documentation for grub2 should not be that good. [08:52] I think /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" [08:53] if it is "quiet nosplash" by default, i would think so, too [08:59] * Boohbah tries out this funny new zsync thing [09:00] It says "not starting gdm; it is not the default display manager" [09:00] I think it has something with me installing and removing kdm... [09:00] *has something to do [09:01] loonyphoenix: well, after a reconfiguration of gdm it should be [09:01] is kdm still activated in rcconf? [09:01] but I did dpkg-reconfigure gdm [09:01] Boohbah: zsync = rsync + http? [09:02] kdm isn't on the list in rcconf [09:02] so I guess it removed itself fully [09:02] k, i think, this could be a bug... if reconfiguring gdm and rcconf do not work... what else should do? [09:03] reinstalling kdm? [09:03] i think it had the option of which display manager to set as default [09:03] in jaunty anyway [09:03] doesnt dpkg-reconfigure gdm does this, too? [09:04] All it said for me was: [09:04] * Reloading GNOME Display Manager configuration... * Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended. [09:04] what about sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start? does this work? [09:04] wait a sec [09:05] sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start is what says gdm is not the default dm [09:06] and installing kdm no longer asks what dm to set default [09:06] loonyphoenix: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager [09:06] ok... have to think a little about that.... [09:06] kklimonda: thanks [09:07] that was ist... remember, that it is /usr/sbin/gdm [09:07] but it's only a workaround.. [09:08] sash_: thanks for the tip... it used to say /usr/bin/kdm and I just changed it to /usr/bin/gdm [09:08] kklimonda: Yeah, I hope they get that fixed by release [09:08] sash_: yes, http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ [09:09] is gdm in /usr/bin in karmic? not in sbin, like in jaunty? [09:09] no, in sbin [09:09] ok, loonyphoenix said bin [09:12] Boohbah: you know, if it uses encryption? https? is it just for download or even for upload? i mean, i dont really get the sense of using http for filetransfers if you can use sftp or scp for example [09:12] it's in sbin [09:12] whereis gdm [09:12] gdm: /usr/sbin/gdm /etc/gdm /usr/lib/gdm /usr/share/gdm [09:13] it's just that kdm is in bin [09:13] sash_: because sftp and scp are not easily linkable for internet distribution, they usually require authentication [09:13] (can't they agree at least on that?) [09:14] loonyphoenix: ehm... usually, kdm should be in sbin, too, i think [09:14] well, I don't have kdm installed anymore, so I can't say... [09:14] hello... i have connected a phone with blue tooth [09:14] but it used to say /usr/bin/kdm [09:15] all seems ok, but i can't find the device for browsing [09:15] loonyphoenix: funny... [09:15] but i really dont know. never used kdm [09:15] the definitly have contact because i got the whole pin code verification to work [09:18] haaaha [09:18] "send files to device" [09:18] ok that's how you do it [09:18] well hidden feature, my friends :) [09:19] well, now, i have a question, too. i am trying to install a karmic-mini with encryption and lvm. of course, /boot is not encrypted. but automatic grub-installation fails. so i wanted to install it manually, but i just have an ash and do not know, how to install it to /boot... [09:20] that's like asking a car mechanic what you need to do to fix the broken cam-belt and you basically only know how to open the hood. [09:21] SwedeMike: except people here aren't paid for their support, unlike the mechanic [09:22] Boohbah: true. [09:22] well, i dont think so. i just need an option to say the installer, where to install grub (/target/boot, not /target). [09:23] sash_: ... and where to put the different stage boot loaders. [09:23] if somebody's asking about cam-belts I think it's a given he knows a bit more than just how to open the boot) [09:23] different stage boot loader? [09:24] sash_: see, you don't know how grub works. [09:24] so you didnt even know what questions to ask. [09:25] is it grub or grub2? [09:25] 2 [09:25] i'm trying to boot the daily build of karmic-netbook-remix-i386.iso from a usb stick created with usb-creator but it doesn't boot [09:27] me and grub2 are fighting, have had several people tell me i should have certain files and dont.so cant quite answer that one. [09:41] well... i do not care if i understand grub or dont. i just want to be able to choose the path of the partition, it shall be installed to. it cannot be, that you just can install it to the mbr. i am quite sure that in older versions you can choose the path. i admit that this is the first time for me installing grub to an own partition because of encryption but why is it that hard/impossible in karmic? [09:42] during installation isn't there a final menu with the advanced button? [09:42] where you can choose e.g. /sda2 to install grub [09:42] i am installing in textmode from a mini-iso [09:42] oh [09:42] or ncurses [09:42] whatever [09:43] textmode installation is something I tried once and didn't like at all [09:43] and it's a pity [09:44] i am installing from a mini-iso because i do not want to have the oversized full installation with gnome and so on. [09:45] well i have done something like that with lilo on slack but not even thought about trying it with grub, sorry. [09:46] but it actually asks you where you want to install lilo and lets you put the path in, [09:48] oldude67: thanks. seems to work [09:48] hmmm, ill have to remember that..lmao [09:48] lilo in 2009... [09:49] no it was like 2006 [09:49] I mean sash_'s situation) [09:49] oh [09:50] well, it doesnt work. i will do it with a live-iso afterwards with a live-cd [09:51] oh, but live might not support lvm [09:51] does it? [09:52] sash_: what is it that doesn't work? try using the http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ and see if you can get the system to boot properly, if you can do that, then you can re-run grub normally when the system is up and running and hopefully get it all working [09:52] or it doesn't support *encrypted* lvm... [10:01] this seems to be it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/393432 should be fixed... hmm. dont know. i think, with the live system i should get it to work [10:01] Launchpad bug 393432 in grub-installer "karmic alpha: text mode installer uses LILO instead of Grub 2 for /boot on LVM" [Undecided,Fix released] [10:02] wow text mode does use lilo..hmm..cool [10:02] or at least something similar [10:22] guys is there a keyboard shortcut to access [10:22] the fast-user switch applet [10:22] ie [10:22] hopw do i open that menu using my keyboard [10:22] so that i cant restart/shutdown etc === Laibsch1 is now known as Laibsch === sickofshavingyak is now known as cwillu_ [10:44] Hi [10:44] I'm about to upgrade to karmic, is it usable or maybe should I wait for the beta? [10:45] "Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system" [10:45] yes yes I know [10:45] and it has, numerous times. [10:46] I think I'm going to try it wasn't so bad the jaunty release [10:47] nacho__: don't say we didn't warn you when it breaks [10:51] nacho__, it was usable the day after jaunty was released. However there are major breakages that happen every couple weeks, and you'll get no sympathy if you don't know how to recover from anything up to and including a full failure of the filesystem [10:54] arghs. can i enable luks-support in a live-system? [10:54] why do you think Karmic is better than Jaunty? [11:17] has bugabundu been seen lately? [11:50] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7752511 [11:50] please do the needful :) [12:01] guud morning [12:03] cwillu: hey look it's BUGabundo! [12:03] hi BUGabundo ! [12:03] hey Boohbah, who ever you are! [12:03] bug/me bounces!!!!! [12:03] is cwillu around? [12:03] * cwillu huggles Boohbah [12:03] oh there he is [12:03] hai :) [12:03] wanna poke a bug for me? [12:03] dude where have you been? [12:03] not now [12:03] working [12:04] :) [12:04] filing 2 for laconica [12:04] hey BUGabundo :) [12:04] it has a 5 digit bug id, and I just attached a patch to it :) [12:04] hey BUGabundo whats up? [12:04] BUGabundo: you may remember me experiencing troubles booting karmic iso from my usb last week [12:04] and trying to see how the heck I spent 250MiBs on my android in 4 days [12:04] oh, fun [12:04] left gmail open did you? [12:04] hey kklimonda oldude67 [12:04] well, it's still broke :( [12:04] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1234737 [12:04] Boohbah: nope [12:04] I have the worse memory [12:04] I never recall anything [12:05] cwillu ofcourse [12:05] poor thing :) [12:05] plus youtube HD, google maps with GPS tracking [12:05] heh [12:05] latitude, laconica, and feed reader [12:05] ever hear of openmapping? [12:05] yep [12:05] just tripped over it in the repository [12:05] openstreetmap, sorry [12:06] one day im hoping they can figure out a way to be able to give us people smart chips..lol [12:06] a bit OT, any of you guys are on google latitude? if so, hook me up [12:06] tried to add a bunch of streets, gave up after I got six separate edit collisions that I couldn't figure out [12:06] cwillu lolol [12:06] we have a guy on our locoteam that uses it a lot [12:06] ill ask him when he is online [12:07] heck im lucky if i get google map to work right..lol [12:07] * cwillu needs to get a fancy phone :( [12:07] otoh, I have 3 new overo boards to play with :) [12:07] BUGabundo, seriously though, you'll like this :) [12:07] https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=71126fe127&view=att&th=122f929c3ba04b54&attid=0.2&disp=inline&realattid=f_fy43fwpq2&zw [12:07] ugh [12:08] well, maybe that'll work [12:08] LOLOLOLOL [12:08] or not [12:08] yay stress testing :) [12:08] i do have a rather dumb question, with all of these new netbooks and laptops coming out with wireless internet built in do any of them come with linux able to run out of the box? [12:08] yep [12:08] oldude67: yes [12:08] oldude67: nm supports it no prob [12:09] the same as usb 3g dongle [12:09] oldude67: Dell does some computers with Ubuntu installed [12:09] BUGabundo, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30048937/win.png [12:10] doh [12:10] properly working vertical panels!! :) [12:10] with that in mind do they have wireless cards in them already preset as well? [12:10] cwillu or terminal over abuse [12:11] oldude67: a few do [12:11] cause i have no problem setting up a hardwire, never had the experience of setting up a wifi. [12:12] so no one on latitude, besides me and kklimonda? :( [12:12] my cellphone doesn't even have a touchscreen [12:12] does it work with wifi-based gps? [12:12] fake-ps? [12:13] BUGabundo: And I don't have a phone that supports latitude yet ;) [12:13] :) [12:13] cwillu it does [12:13] and gsm/gprs [12:13] or even PC based locations [12:14] iGoogle? :( [12:15] query - where did all these extra browsers come from? [12:15] arora? shiretoko? [12:15] shiretoko is just the codename for firefox 3.5 [12:15] I'd guess aurora is something similar [12:16] I have firefox *and* shiretoko installed. All a bit odd. [12:16] arora seems to be Qt-based [12:16] oooo, google crypto techtalk [12:16] so what is the default browser for karmic? [12:16] http://rdist.root.org/2009/08/06/google-tech-talk-on-common-crypto-flaws/ [12:17] cwillu that too [12:17] cwillu PM your email and ill send you an invite [12:17] BUGabundo, cwillu@cwillu.com :p [12:17] lupine_85: and minefield is ff 3.6 [12:17] BUGabundo: ptv [12:17] pvt [12:17] So what's aurora then? [12:17] whatever ;} [12:18] LOL [12:18] he doesn't mind the spam [12:18] and I never remember [12:18] guess ill have to put all of you on my new https://www.google.com/contacts [12:18] gmail is good for spam handling [12:18] I get about one through the filters a week [12:18] cwillu not as good as it used to :( [12:18] hey RAOF [12:19] uhh already had your email [12:19] LOLOL [12:19] sent [12:19] BUGabundo: lol, https://www.google.com/contacts doesn't import contacts from GAFYD? typical } [12:19] ;) [12:20] kklimonda: add your domain infront of it [12:21] like https://www.google.com/contacts/a/bugabundo.net [12:21] did it for me :D [12:21] This service is not enabled for syntaxhighlighted.com ;) [12:21] all google services are available after the /a/ [12:21] doh [12:21] your domain is not an GAFYD [12:21] sure it is [12:21] or you don't have it activated on admin panel [12:22] I don't see an option for contacts in admin panel :/ [12:22] https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/TLD/Dashboard [12:22] https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/syntaxhighlighted.com/Dashboard [12:22] OT [12:22] let get it on PVT [12:40] Hmm.. for some reason Alt+f2 isn't bringing up the "run application"-window.. [12:40] BUGabundo: i have latitude d630 [12:41] Regel: wfm on gnome [12:41] slacker_nl: google latitude on googlemaps? [12:41] ahhhhhh [12:42] don't have a phone that would support it [12:42] BUGabundo: wfm? [12:43] Regel: short hand for Works For Me [12:43] slacker_nl: then how do you have latitude? [12:43] oh [12:44] dell has laptops named latitude [12:44] like latitude d630 [12:50] alt+f2 seems to be a bug. if I turn off transparency in panel it starts working after logout->login [12:55] Regel: does *not* work for me either [12:57] hey mac_v [12:57] * mac_v waves to BUGabundo [12:59] BUGabundo: any ideas for an icon for indicator applet? i'm trying to make one so that they dont keep the applet always visible! [13:00] without it notifyOSD doesn't work for me [13:00] getting the 3D objects in 22px is hard! [13:00] but today I just see an envelope [13:00] the envelope is going to stay visible always! > design descision! [13:01] BUGabundo: design team's response > One of the things we found in usability testing is that folks would go there for their mail even when it wasn't running. The idea that "this is the place that evolution lives" kind of thing. [13:02] I odnt use evo !! [13:02] FAIL [13:02] :) [13:03] heh, GNOME really could use a new PIM suite :/ [13:03] thats what i said! wouldnt it be even more confusing when the applet is always visible! [13:03] mac_v: do you have a bug number where it's discussed? or a link to ML? [13:04] kklimonda: i discussed in #ayatana [13:05] probably its in the irc logs [13:05] yeah [13:06] kklimonda: i said why not use a better icon so that users dont get confused! seems sabdfl likes the envelope icon! [13:07] kklimonda: [21:25] mac_v: no, the envelop stays please [13:08] well, with an envelope for an icon it's no wonder people are using it to launch Evo [13:11] exactly! even weird now that there will be 2envelopes in the panel[evolution and indicator applet!] their reasoning is they dont have a better idea for an icon! so envelope stays! [13:13] like *when* pidgin used fusa ? [13:13] and indicator? [13:13] now we reverted [13:13] and got icon back [13:14] BUGabundo: right bits just weren't ported to the new fusa yet [13:14] I kinda liked the fusa from jaunty [13:14] LOL [13:14] +1 [13:16] * gnomefreak removed envelope, but than again i dont need indicators for anything. [13:17] I'd like the idea of indicator-applet and merging status change with fusa applet more if it meant that we can remove some icons from notification area [13:18] but last time I've checked it didn't work well [13:18] BUGabundo: FUSA is not gone ... just lurking for a come-back after reworking ;p [13:19] heh, I wonder if there is some secret setting I could switch to make Evo work fine with google mail imap :/ [13:22] * lupine_85 doesn't get google mail [13:22] lunch [13:22] bbl [13:23] lupine_85: good spam filter, great web interface, server-side logs for IM [13:23] see? :p [13:24] * lupine_85 runs his own jabber, smtp and imap servers instead [13:26] if I run metacity --replace while GNOME is running, will it bork my computer? [13:26] richardcavell: it shouldn't [13:26] okay here goes [13:26] (finger on the reset button) [13:29] When is usplash being dumped for super-early-starting-X? [13:43] after the latest update of network manager my built-in mobile broadband modem stopped working [13:45] it's listed on Network Manager but when I select it keeps trying to connect and it fails [13:55] andresmh: type in console sudo service apparmor stop [13:56]