[00:02] <Nullslash> Hiii
[00:02] <Nullslash> Anybody here ?
[00:03] <bcurtiswx> Nullslash: yes
[00:05] <Nullslash> OK, I have problem with my cpufreq-selector ,When my computer gets overload, my cpu uses only 40% of it's power
[00:08] <LimCore> Nullslash: did you changed anything in config?   what ubuntu version, what cpu
[00:08] <LimCore> I use dualcore amd64 X2 on 9.04 amd64 ubuntu, nv-based mobo, and all works fine
[00:10] <Nullslash> my cpu --> http://pastebin.com/f73b4fc87 , Ubuntu version 9.04 64/32 bit , I have tried both of them
[00:12] <Nullslash> limcore , what do you think ? , do you think it's hardware issue ?
[01:32] <jgoguen> Looking at bug 409962, should the package for that be CUPS? I see that problem but even with apps that aren't rendering PDF.
[01:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 409962 in poppler "poppler 0.11.2 produces blank pages with cups" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409962
[11:28] <LimCore> Overall I was thinking.... why not provide 2 versions of same application?
[11:29] <LimCore> example:   there is pidgin-2.1 (example)  and   pidgin-2.2.... (with fixes, but less tested).    User can execute  pidgin-2.1..  or pidgin-2.2  binary,  and he can change to which one the "pidgin" symlinks to
[11:31] <LimCore> obviously this is possible,  but it has to be done a bit "by hand".  Why not fully support such approach?  Then if aplication doesnt work for you you can very easly try out another version and then switch to it.   The important thing is that you have both versions installed so you can easly switch etc
[11:31] <LimCore> this was possible easly on windows, not so easly on linux where basically you just can have version X or Y at once
[11:46] <kklimonda> LimCore: it's twice as much work for us developers and bug triagers
[11:51] <kklimonda> LimCore: also, would you mind giving me/us a better example? We ship the newest pidgin anyway.. I can't think of example when the older version of software was choosen deliberately..
[12:01] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[12:10] <kklimonda> heh, wrt bug 295316 - upstream report is marked as WONTFIX with comment that in 2.27.x branch different widget is used and so this bug doesn't exist there.
[12:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 295316 in hamster-applet "Incorrect date in Update activity dialog" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/295316
[12:12] <kklimonda> should the bug be marked as "Fix released" (because it doesn't show up anymore), Won't Fix (because upstream decided not to fix it but rewrite dialog)?
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - if the bug still exists in the current karmic version, then i would leave the status as it is for now
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> when upstream introduce the new widget, then it can be closed
[12:36] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: I think they already made this change (my update activity dialog looks different)
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> if that's the case, then you can close the bug as fixed ;)
[13:48] <LimCore> kklimonda: pidgin has a nasty bug in ubunu 9.04.  There will be probably no SRU.   o my  idea:  just quickly release  pidgin-something  into 9.04 without much testing.   If it fixed the bug without regressions then cool.   If it has some regression then user can choose which version he wants (which bugs are affecting him)
[13:48] <LimCore> I can do the above already,  but not in such a noob-user-friendly way.
[13:49] <LimCore> my idea is to allow follow procedure overall,  this pidgin bug is an example
[13:49] <LimCore> *following
[13:51] <kklimonda> LimCore: Have you tried requesting a backport from Karmic?
[13:52] <kklimonda> LimCore: we can't really introduce new packages into stable releases (well, we probably could but I think it's against our policy to do so)
[13:53] <kklimonda> LimCore: introducing two version of packages was done (see firefox and firefox-3.5) but never was it done because older release had an unfixed bug.
[13:54] <kklimonda> LimCore: I remember parts of your discussion from yesterday, are you sure that the fix for this bug in Jabber isn't small enough to go with SRU?
[14:40] <LimCore> kklimonda:  frequency: everytime for users using most popular free IM (protocol)     severity: always annoying, often you think other person if offline when it is online
[14:43] <kklimonda> LimCore: the question is how invasive the fix would be. Also Jabber, although popular *free* IM, isn't that popular compared to other protocols. And most people have offline users hidden so they don't see it. and there is no severity: annoying in LP ;)
[15:01] <LimCore> kklimonda: online people are displayed always as offline,  even in the conversation window  (so also no "gone offline" warning).   <-- this happens a lot
[15:08] <kklimonda> hmm.. for launchpad to proceed emails do they have to signed inline?
[15:09] <kklimonda> or rather any idea why I couldn't change https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/362570 using email?
[15:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 362570 in python2.6 "Python distutils installs into 'site-packages' instead of 'dist-packages' when a prefix is set" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[15:09] <kklimonda> ok, this question should go to #launchpad
[15:09] <kklimonda> my bad :)
[15:10]  * LimCore would like his bank to start using openpgp in email
[15:10]  * hggdh would like to see pigs flying
[15:11] <LimCore> they do use S/MIME...which, btw is not wroking in Ubuntu 9.04's kmail wtf
[15:26] <kklimonda> heh, I think it was just another PEBKAC
[15:37] <LimCore> what, smime?
[15:38] <LimCore> in jabber its common that people see onlines as offlines in this buggy pidgin
[15:39] <kklimonda> LimCore: nah, every command must start with space - I have my firefox window open this way that I've missed this info
[16:10] <BUGabundo> FYI
[16:10] <BUGabundo> fta: just committed the code to make #firefox  3.5 the default firefox in !ubuntu #karmic  *and* in the -daily PPA:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head/revision/444
[16:10] <BUGabundo>  fta: it will start to spread through the daily ppa, in ~2h, if you see people complaining about breakage, please bring them here, or ask them to file bugs
[16:13] <kklimonda> :D
[16:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: paste it on #ubuntu+1
[16:17] <BUGabundo> done it
[18:26] <jgoguen> Two questions, about bug 409923 and bug 409962 - which should be the dupe of the other, and should the package be poppler or cups?
[18:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 409923 in hplip "nothing prints, despite printer detection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409923
[18:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 409962 in poppler "poppler 0.11.2 produces blank pages with cups" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409962
[18:30] <kklimonda> 409962 is more active
[18:30] <kklimonda> so I'd mark the other as a duplicate of 409962
[18:32] <kklimonda> jgoguen: ^^
[18:34] <jgoguen> kklimonda: Thanks :)
[18:41] <BUGabundo> so kklimonda are you picking my app??
[18:42] <BUGabundo> no one wants it :((
[18:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: dunno, I'll see when I get my android how much I'd like to have an app like that :)
[18:58] <kklimonda> wrt bug 403135 - should I add affected applications to the list?
[18:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 403135 in checkgmail "Notification area icon wrongly rendered/has a black background (multiple apps)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403135
[18:59] <kklimonda> based on upstream comments I'd say that tt has to be fixed in every application
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - what app is this?
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> (just caught a bit of the scrollback)
[19:28] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: "an awesome laconi.ca client for android" or something like that ;)
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i don't use laconi.ca, but i do use android ;)
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> i really should try to understand what microblogging is all about :)
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> maybe i'm getting too old
[19:30] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: you mean
[19:31] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: I'd say that you just aren't addicted to the internet but based on the fact that you are here and on few other channels... ;}
[19:31] <BUGabundo> http://p.bugabundo.net/android-competition-for-paid-laconica-app-wit
[19:31] <BUGabundo> bbl
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - i do seem to spend far too much time on here (according to my girlfriend)
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> but i've never been on any microblogging sites
[19:33] <kklimonda> I tend to create an account on some uBlogging site, use it for some time and then realize I don't really care about sharing my thoughts..
[19:33] <kklimonda> I use identi.ca as just another channel to get informations about ubuntu development ;)
[19:34] <kklimonda> but now that BUGabundo is repasting most of important things on +1 I think I should just shut down gwibber for good..
[20:34] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: :)
[20:34] <BUGabundo> lie to me. I like it http://www.macno.org/denticator/?user=kklimonda
[20:34] <BUGabundo> Absolute average: 223 dents since 2009-02-13 (176 days): 1.27  dents/day
[20:36] <kklimonda> yes, because 1.3 dent per day is such a big number :)
[20:38] <BUGabundo> you are above user average, u know that, right?
[20:38] <BUGabundo> Absolute average: 16859 dents since 2008-07-04 (400 days):  42.15 dents/day  <-----ME
[20:39] <BUGabundo> uhh 400 day! w00t
[22:43] <dhillon-v10> hi everyone
[22:43] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn
[22:43] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: what's up
[22:46] <dhillon-v10>  Rocket2DMn: Are you there?
[23:04] <kamusin> which package have to select for a report that says something as "if I have ethernet device (wired) active my screen goes black while system is booting..
[23:04] <kamusin> am not sure if is a xorg or kernel problem..