[18:44] hello everyone [18:44] Is anyone there [18:45] hi dhillon-v10 [18:45] how can I help [18:45] :) [18:45] I am new and having trouble with navigating here [18:45] sure - no problem [18:45] what version of ubuntu do you use? [18:45] 9.04 [18:45] I know a lot about programming [18:46] my stuff is in Computer Vision [18:46] I'm not familiar with Computer Vision - what is it? [18:46] It is the art of making computer see what we humans can using solid mathematics [18:46] like face detection [18:47] wow, cool [18:47] yah my question is that when I get here do I just start typing and talking [18:47] most of the ubuntu documentation is desktop-focused, would that interest you? [18:47] yes sure [18:47] I am learning about it as well [18:47] or would you be interested in working on the server docs? [18:47] I wouldn't mind either [18:48] I am familiar with both [18:48] :) [18:48] ok... are you familiar with docbook at all, or would you be willing to learn? [18:48] no I would like to learn thanks [18:49] about docbook [18:49] sure - that's the xml-based markup language that we use to write the docs. [18:49] have you had a look at the doc team wiki page yet? [18:49] Yes [18:50] I have learned to use most of the software from the wiki pages [18:51] i'd recommend grabbing the doc team bzr branch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/ [18:51] and having a look at how things are set up. [18:51] alright I have bzr installed [18:51] i'd also recommend sending a note to the doc team mailing list, if you haven't already [18:52] just let them know that you're interested in helping out [18:52] Alright, I didn't know it was that easy [18:52] before you do that, though, you might want to skim through some of the different topic sections... [18:52] see which one interests you [18:52] Thanks a bunch [18:52] with your background and interests, i think you might find the server docs to be most engaging [18:53] as they are more technically oriented, of course [18:53] I also would like to know your email so I can talk to you later on [18:53] dhillon-v10: sure - jwcampbell@gmail.com [18:53] mine is dhillonv10@gmail.com [18:53] Its easy to make friends [18:53] :) [18:53] dhillon-v10: if you want to work on server docs, i would recommend being in touch with Adam Sommer [18:54] who is that? [18:54] if you want to work on the desktop docs, i would recommend being in touch with Phil Bull or Matthew East [18:54] Adam Sommer leads up the server docs [18:54] Phil and Matthew lead up the desktop docs [18:54] I work mostly on Xubuntu docs [18:54] how do you know so much [18:54] i've been around a while :) [18:55] I just got to know about this irc thing yesterday [18:55] :) [18:55] so please bear with me [18:55] :) [18:56] I have made my own project for imaging [18:56] procedures [18:56] i think some developers think documentation is a lesser task, but it is important for users, and i think that knowing how to write good docs will make you a better developer [18:56] at least knowing the basic skills, techniques, and concepts [18:56] Yah if you know what you are doing writing it just helps more [18:57] I am a teenager but I have a solid background in programming [18:57] dhillon-v10: that's great [18:58] nhandler is also a teenager who does development and documentation [18:58] hey what about all the other people in this room [18:58] are they all developers/ [19:00] no, most are just documentors, but some do development, too [19:00] so you would like me to download the bzr branch for documentation then change it and later push it back... [19:01] dhillon-v10: no need to change it for now... and you would need to submit a patch in order to push something back. we don't give everyone "commit" rights right away [19:01] just look through it, and see what area you want to work on [19:01] oh I get it [19:02] how do I submit a patch [19:02] and let us know, "hey, i'd like to work on the topics in section X" [19:02] as for patches... [19:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Submitting [19:02] if you can't find the info you need on the wiki, let us know. :) [19:03] I would like to add some docs to OpenCV [19:03] Most people find it extremely hard to install but it is present in Synaptic [19:03] what is opencv? [19:04] It is an amazing free set of library that lets users accomplish computer vision tasks easily and there is something that needs to be changed like OpenMP integration [19:04] It isn't present by defauly [19:04] * default [19:05] Can you help [19:05] ok - for that kind of thing, you can contribute docs about that on the ubuntu wiki, or you can contribute directly to the documentation for that particular application [19:06] Oh that would be great but will that reach to most people [19:06] but info on how to install one kind of obscure application wouldn't really belong in the ubuntu system docs [19:06] oh it isn't the installation [19:06] well, install or use... [19:06] it is the integration of OpenMP [19:07] I think I understand now :) [19:07] yeah, that kind of stuff would probably be best on the site for OpenCV or OpenMP [19:07] alright thanks [19:07] sure, no problem [19:07] Can you give me a link for different channels [19:08] #ubuntu-devel is for development [19:08] #ubuntu-server is for the server and server development [19:09] alright [19:09] So what do you contribute a lot [19:09] to the community [19:09] I didn't mean to write what [19:09] typo [19:10] i contribute a fair amount, but i've been pretty tied up with a day job lately, so not as much lately [19:11] Oh you work, lucky me I have my summer vacation [19:11] :) [19:11] i gotta run, but... [19:12] alright bye and thanks [19:12] join the documentation team mailing list, & send a short intro after you've been able to decide what topics you might like to write about [19:12] alright [21:05] j1mc: Hi [21:07] hi everyone [21:13] lo' dhillon-v10 [21:14] starcraftman: hey how are you [21:14] starcraftman: did I talk to you before [21:14] dhillon-v10: don't think so, I don't hang about doc so much. I'm a bt member and part of the wiki fg group. [21:15] starcraftman: wiki fg group what is that [21:15] dhillon-v10: I'm ok guess, just spent a few hours reconfiguring main system after I messed it up badly. [21:16] starcraftman: what happened [21:16] dhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki < Beginners Team wiki focus group [21:17] starcraftman, that makes you part of the doc team :) [21:17] Rocket2DMn: Ya I know, guess I just don't hang out much here. Prolly ought to. [21:18] starcraftman: this seems usefule [21:18] *useful [21:19] dhillon-v10: As to what happened, I'm still not quite sure. Somehow I messed up the system so bad it refused to enable rendering and compositing with a 3d driver. Even after a purge of all drivers and manual install. [21:19] starcraftman: oh [21:20] dhillon-v10: worst thing, I didn't have a drive image in place for my latest kubuntu install so had to reinstall and redo settings, almost back to normal. Took the oppurtunity to up to kde 4.3 [21:21] starcraftman: Can you even make a disk image for ubuntu if so please explain how [21:22] dhillon-v10: Oh sure, see my wiki I just updated : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem [21:23] dhillon-v10: if your not interested in dd from a terminal, best to look at the gui programs. Both are good, though I use another paid solution that's a hold over from my windows days. True Image from acronis. [21:23] starcraftman: I have heard a lot about Acronis but I thought it was for servers only [21:24] dhillon-v10: nope, they make a desktop home version, works a charm. Paid though. Partimage or clonezilla do the same if your interested, just not a flashy gui. [21:25] starcraftman: Can you please provide me with a link to that [21:26] links to the two free ones? Just see drive image section on the wiki ^ [21:26] starcraftman: nope the link to Acronis home page where you found the desktop edition [21:26] http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/ [21:27] True Image home it's name, I've a bit older copy, no real changes. [21:28] starcraftman: Would you say something about clonizilla regarding its performance [21:32] dhillon-v10: can't really comment on it. Been meaning to try it. I haven't heard anything bad about performance. [21:33] starcraftman: thanks man [21:33] dhillon-v10: np [21:33] starcraftman: when I go on the page mentioned above it only gives me download for exe file not linux source or installer [21:34] dhillon-v10: Oh, forgot to metnion that, it's not actually a linux program, I created the recovery CD from the program. That's platform independant cuz ya just boot it like a live CD. [21:36] starcraftman: I want to contribute to Ubuntu documentation and I have downloaded the bzr branch now what... [21:37] dhillon-v10: Don't ask me about system doc stuff, I'm just a wiki editor at moment. Maybe down the line I'll do system too. [21:37] starcraftman: okay :) [21:38] dhillon-v10: might wanna ping Rocket2DMn, he'd know who to ask. [21:38] starcraftman: how do I do that [21:38] ask about what [21:39] dhillon-v10: for the record, when ya just type someones nick in a message, it's highlighted so to draw their attention. So when I put Rocket2DMn, in this message, it gets highlighted just to his chat. [21:39] somebody call? [21:39] Rocket2DMn: dhillon-v10 wants to know about contributing to system docs, I said you'd know who to ask about it. [21:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation [21:39] Rocket2DMn: how are you [21:39] im doing well, thanks dhillon-v10 [21:40] Rocket2DMn: I have read the wiki [21:40] ok, so you know how to make changes then? [21:40] if you find problems with the system docs, you should open a bug report against the ubuntu-docs package - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs [21:41] if you want to fix the bug yourself, you can attach a patch to the bug report, and somebody with commit privileges will add it to the main branch if the patch is good [21:41] Rocket2DMn: I wanted to add a document for installation of OpenCV because most people find it really hard to install and it is available in Synaptic, Is that possible [21:42] yeah, though i have no idea what opencv is [21:43] Rocket2DMn: It is a collection of programs used for Computer Vision and image processing [21:43] Rocket2DMn: I think you can probably help me out here [21:44] well, im not an expert in dealing with the system docs [21:44] im not sure where such a guide needs to go [21:44] I think it can be helpful to first have such content on the Community Docs wiki [21:45] then it can be ported over to the system docs later [21:45] Rocket2DMn: Alright thanks [21:45] so for instance, you would add a page here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenCV [21:45] (Assuming no other page already exists for OpenCV) [21:46] Rocket2DMn: I am creating the page now, thanks for your help [21:46] dhillon-v10, when in doubt, you can email the doc-team mailing list and ask for advice [21:47] Rocket2DMn: I will talk to you later, bye :) [21:48] cool, i look forward to seeing your work [21:48] thanks for contributing :)