[18:44] <dhillon-v10> hello everyone
[18:44] <dhillon-v10> Is anyone there
[18:45] <j1mc> hi dhillon-v10
[18:45] <dhillon-v10> how can I help
[18:45] <j1mc> :)
[18:45] <dhillon-v10> I am new and having trouble with navigating here
[18:45] <j1mc> sure - no problem
[18:45] <j1mc> what version of ubuntu do you use?
[18:45] <dhillon-v10> 9.04
[18:45] <dhillon-v10> I know a lot about programming
[18:46] <dhillon-v10> my stuff is in Computer Vision
[18:46] <j1mc> I'm not familiar with Computer Vision - what is it?
[18:46] <dhillon-v10> It is the art of making computer see what we humans can using solid mathematics
[18:46] <dhillon-v10> like face detection
[18:47] <j1mc> wow, cool
[18:47] <dhillon-v10> yah my question is that when  I get here do I just start typing and talking
[18:47] <j1mc> most of the ubuntu documentation is desktop-focused, would that interest you?
[18:47] <dhillon-v10> yes sure
[18:47] <dhillon-v10> I am learning about it as well
[18:47] <j1mc> or would you be interested in working on the server docs?
[18:47] <dhillon-v10> I wouldn't mind either
[18:48] <dhillon-v10> I am familiar with both
[18:48] <dhillon-v10> :)
[18:48] <j1mc> ok... are you familiar with docbook at all, or would you be willing to learn?
[18:48] <dhillon-v10> no I would like to learn thanks
[18:49] <dhillon-v10> about docbook
[18:49] <j1mc> sure - that's the xml-based markup language that we use to write the docs.
[18:49] <j1mc> have you had a look at the doc team wiki page yet?
[18:49] <dhillon-v10> Yes
[18:50] <dhillon-v10> I have learned to use most of the software from the wiki pages
[18:51] <j1mc> i'd recommend grabbing the doc team bzr branch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/
[18:51] <j1mc> and having a look at how things are set up.
[18:51] <dhillon-v10> alright I have bzr installed
[18:51] <j1mc> i'd also recommend sending a note to the doc team mailing list, if you haven't already
[18:52] <j1mc> just let them know that you're interested in helping out
[18:52] <dhillon-v10> Alright, I didn't know it was that easy
[18:52] <j1mc> before you do that, though, you might want to skim through some of the different topic sections...
[18:52] <j1mc> see which one interests you
[18:52] <dhillon-v10> Thanks a bunch
[18:52] <j1mc> with your background and interests, i think you might find the server docs to be most engaging
[18:53] <j1mc> as they are more technically oriented, of course
[18:53] <dhillon-v10> I also would like to know your email so I can talk to you later on
[18:53] <j1mc> dhillon-v10: sure - jwcampbell@gmail.com
[18:53] <dhillon-v10> mine is dhillonv10@gmail.com
[18:53] <dhillon-v10> Its easy to make friends
[18:53] <dhillon-v10> :)
[18:53] <j1mc> dhillon-v10: if you want to work on server docs, i would recommend being in touch with Adam Sommer
[18:54] <dhillon-v10> who is that?
[18:54] <j1mc> if you want to work on the desktop docs, i would recommend being in touch with Phil Bull or Matthew East
[18:54] <j1mc> Adam Sommer leads up the server docs
[18:54] <j1mc> Phil and Matthew lead up the desktop docs
[18:54] <j1mc> I work mostly on Xubuntu docs
[18:54] <dhillon-v10> how do you know so much
[18:54] <j1mc> i've been around a while :)
[18:55] <dhillon-v10> I just got to know about this irc thing yesterday
[18:55] <j1mc> :)
[18:55] <dhillon-v10> so please bear with me
[18:55] <dhillon-v10> :)
[18:56] <dhillon-v10> I have made my own project for imaging
[18:56] <dhillon-v10> procedures
[18:56] <j1mc> i think some developers think documentation is a lesser task, but it is important for users, and i think that knowing how to write good docs will make you a better developer
[18:56] <j1mc> at least knowing the basic skills, techniques, and concepts
[18:56] <dhillon-v10> Yah if you know what you are doing writing it just helps more
[18:57] <dhillon-v10> I am a teenager but I have a solid background in programming
[18:57] <j1mc> dhillon-v10: that's great
[18:58] <j1mc> nhandler is also a teenager who does development and documentation
[18:58] <dhillon-v10> hey what about all the other people in this room
[18:58] <dhillon-v10> are they all developers/
[19:00] <j1mc> no, most are just documentors, but some do development, too
[19:00] <dhillon-v10> so you would like me to download the bzr branch for documentation then change it and later push it back...
[19:01] <j1mc> dhillon-v10: no need to change it for now... and you would need to submit a patch in order to push something back.  we don't give everyone "commit" rights right away
[19:01] <j1mc> just look through it, and see what area you want to work on
[19:01] <dhillon-v10> oh I get it
[19:02] <dhillon-v10> how do I submit a patch
[19:02] <j1mc> and let us know, "hey, i'd like to work on the topics in section X"
[19:02] <j1mc> as for patches...
[19:02] <j1mc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Submitting
[19:02] <j1mc> if you can't find the info you need on the wiki, let us know. :)
[19:03] <dhillon-v10> I would like to add some docs to OpenCV
[19:03] <dhillon-v10> Most people find it extremely hard to install but it is present in Synaptic
[19:03] <j1mc> what is opencv?
[19:04] <dhillon-v10> It is an amazing free set of library that lets users accomplish computer vision tasks easily and there is something that needs to be changed like OpenMP integration
[19:04] <dhillon-v10> It isn't present by defauly
[19:04] <dhillon-v10> * default
[19:05] <dhillon-v10> Can you help
[19:05] <j1mc> ok - for that kind of thing, you can contribute docs about that on the ubuntu wiki, or you can contribute directly to the documentation for that particular application
[19:06] <dhillon-v10> Oh that would be great but will that reach to most people
[19:06] <j1mc> but info on how to install one kind of obscure application wouldn't really belong in the ubuntu system docs
[19:06] <dhillon-v10> oh it isn't the installation
[19:06] <j1mc> well, install or use...
[19:06] <dhillon-v10> it is the integration of OpenMP
[19:07] <dhillon-v10> I think I understand now :)
[19:07] <j1mc> yeah, that kind of stuff would probably be best on the site for OpenCV or OpenMP
[19:07] <dhillon-v10> alright thanks
[19:07] <j1mc> sure, no problem
[19:07] <dhillon-v10> Can you give me a link for different channels
[19:08] <j1mc> #ubuntu-devel is for development
[19:08] <j1mc> #ubuntu-server is for the server and server development
[19:09] <dhillon-v10> alright
[19:09] <dhillon-v10> So what do you contribute a lot
[19:09] <dhillon-v10> to the community
[19:09] <dhillon-v10> I didn't mean to write what
[19:09] <dhillon-v10> typo
[19:10] <j1mc> i contribute a fair amount, but i've been pretty tied up with a day job lately, so not as much lately
[19:11] <dhillon-v10> Oh you work, lucky me I have my summer vacation
[19:11] <j1mc> :)
[19:11] <j1mc> i gotta run, but...
[19:12] <dhillon-v10> alright bye and thanks
[19:12] <j1mc> join the documentation team mailing list, & send a short intro after you've been able to decide what topics you might like to write about
[19:12] <dhillon-v10> alright
[21:05] <dhillon-v10> j1mc: Hi
[21:07] <dhillon-v10> hi everyone
[21:13] <starcraftman> lo' dhillon-v10
[21:14] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: hey how are you
[21:14] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: did I talk to you before
[21:14] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: don't think so, I don't hang about doc so much. I'm a bt member and part of the wiki fg group.
[21:15] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: wiki fg group what is that
[21:15] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: I'm ok guess, just spent a few hours reconfiguring main system after I messed it up badly.
[21:16] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: what happened
[21:16] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki < Beginners Team wiki focus group
[21:17] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman, that makes you part of the doc team :)
[21:17] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Ya I know, guess I just don't hang out much here. Prolly ought to.
[21:18] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: this seems usefule
[21:18] <dhillon-v10> *useful
[21:19] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: As to what happened, I'm still not quite sure. Somehow I messed up the system so bad it refused to enable rendering and compositing with a 3d driver. Even after a purge of all drivers and manual install.
[21:19] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: oh
[21:20] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: worst thing, I didn't have a drive image in place for my latest kubuntu install so had to reinstall and redo settings, almost back to normal. Took the oppurtunity to up to kde 4.3
[21:21] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: Can you even make a disk image for ubuntu if so please explain how
[21:22] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: Oh sure, see my wiki I just updated : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[21:23] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: if your not interested in dd from a terminal, best to look at the gui programs. Both are good, though I use another paid solution that's a hold over from my windows days. True Image from acronis.
[21:23] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: I have heard a lot about Acronis but I thought it was for servers only
[21:24] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: nope, they make a desktop home version, works a charm. Paid though. Partimage or clonezilla do the same if your interested, just not a flashy gui.
[21:25] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: Can you please provide me with a link to that
[21:26] <starcraftman> links to the two free ones? Just see drive image section on the wiki ^
[21:26] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: nope the link to Acronis home page where you found the desktop edition
[21:26] <starcraftman> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/
[21:27] <starcraftman> True Image home it's name, I've a bit older copy, no real changes.
[21:28] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: Would you say something about clonizilla regarding its performance
[21:32] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: can't really comment on it. Been meaning to try it. I haven't heard anything bad about performance.
[21:33] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: thanks man
[21:33] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: np
[21:33] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: when I go on the page mentioned above it only gives me download for exe file not linux source or installer
[21:34] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: Oh, forgot to metnion that, it's not actually a linux program, I created the recovery CD from the program. That's platform independant cuz ya just boot it like a live CD.
[21:36] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: I want to contribute to Ubuntu documentation and I have downloaded the bzr branch now what...
[21:37] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: Don't ask me about system doc stuff, I'm just a wiki editor at moment. Maybe down the line I'll do system too.
[21:37] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: okay :)
[21:38] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: might wanna ping Rocket2DMn, he'd know who to ask.
[21:38] <dhillon-v10>  starcraftman: how do I do that
[21:38] <Rocket2DMn> ask about what
[21:39] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: for the record, when ya just type someones nick in a message, it's highlighted so to draw their attention. So when I put Rocket2DMn, in this message, it gets highlighted just to his chat.
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> somebody call?
[21:39] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: dhillon-v10 wants to know about contributing to system docs, I said you'd know who to ask about it.
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation
[21:39] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: how are you
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> im doing well, thanks dhillon-v10
[21:40] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I have read the wiki
[21:40] <Rocket2DMn> ok, so you know how to make changes then?
[21:40] <Rocket2DMn> if you find problems with the system docs, you should open a bug report against the ubuntu-docs package - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs
[21:41] <Rocket2DMn> if you want to fix the bug yourself, you can attach a patch to the bug report, and somebody with commit privileges will add it to the main branch if the patch is good
[21:41] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I wanted to add a document for installation of OpenCV because most people find it really hard to install and it is available in Synaptic, Is that possible
[21:42] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, though i have no idea what opencv is
[21:43] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: It is a collection of programs used for Computer Vision and image processing
[21:43] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I think you can probably help me out here
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> well, im not an expert in dealing with the system docs
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> im not sure where such a guide needs to go
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> I think it can be helpful to first have such content on the Community Docs wiki
[21:45] <Rocket2DMn> then it can be ported over to the system docs later
[21:45] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: Alright thanks
[21:45] <Rocket2DMn> so for instance, you would add a page here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenCV
[21:45] <Rocket2DMn> (Assuming no other page already exists for OpenCV)
[21:46] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I am creating the page now, thanks for your help
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, when in doubt, you can email the doc-team mailing list and ask for advice
[21:47] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: I will talk to you later, bye :)
[21:48] <Rocket2DMn> cool, i look forward to seeing your work
[21:48] <Rocket2DMn> thanks for contributing :)