| mac__v | DanRabbit: ping... :) | 04:53 |
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| === mac__v is now known as mac_v | ||
| DanRabbit | mac_v: pong | 06:45 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, i'm here | 11:50 |
| mac_v | MDC2: i'm testing with other themes | 11:50 |
| MDC2 | I'll have to get some breakfast, but if you find it depends on theme, let me now and I'll see if i can change the position of the menu in nautilus by some pixels.. | 11:51 |
| mac_v | MDC2: i think you have a point there about the themes | 11:52 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, karmic theme: clearlooks both gtk and metacity | 11:52 |
| MDC2 | I can see the difference in border size in my both themes.. | 11:53 |
| mac_v | but how come the the menu button doesnt cause this? when you press the menu button , no option is selected | 11:53 |
| MDC2 | probably a gtk bug as it doesnt ask the mouse pointer where it is.. | 11:54 |
| MDC2 | hmm.. clearlooks seems to have an invisible 2px border | 11:54 |
| * MDC2 created another folder.. | 11:55 | |
| mac_v | MDC2: yeah,that triggers it more easily , dust sand is different , no border ;p | 11:55 |
| MDC2 | doesn't seems like a good solution to hardcode the popupmenu 2px southeast either.. | 11:56 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, if you use menu button and then right click the mouse (at the same place) - you get a new folder | 11:57 |
| mac_v | is there anyway to fix that , so that the right-click works like the menu button? ie,option doesnt get selected unless the mouse is moved | 11:58 |
| MDC2 | so it's probably a gtk bug.. | 11:58 |
| MDC2 | it won't matter as you can still double click and a folder gets created - selected or not | 11:58 |
| mac_v | MDC2: this doesnt happen in firefox , no option is selected | 11:59 |
| MDC2 | you're still holding the mouse over the option | 11:59 |
| MDC2 | looks like they've moved the menu a few pixels.. | 11:59 |
| mac_v | yup.. | 11:59 |
| mac_v | MDC2: can that be done? | 12:00 |
| MDC2 | in nautilus - sure it can :-) | 12:00 |
| MDC2 | but maybe a better place would be gtk land.. | 12:00 |
| MDC2 | but we can start with nautilus | 12:01 |
| mac_v | MDC2: then pls fix it... in nautilus.. i dont think its a gtk bug , lets fix it like firefox | 12:01 |
| mac_v | fixing it in gtk will not be simple | 12:01 |
| MDC2 | no, it won't | 12:01 |
| mac_v | MDC2: yeah... in nautilus just moving menu a few pixels below the pointer , will solve this perfectly | 12:02 |
| MDC2 | "The default menu positioning function will position the menu at the current mouse cursor position. " (from GtkMenu doc) | 12:05 |
| MDC2 | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkMenu.html#gtk-menu-popup | 12:05 |
| mac_v | MDC2: so are we stuck? or are you interested on fixing that from nautilus side? if so i'll confirm the bug | 12:07 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, and the fix should be in fm-directory-view.c around line 5565.. | 12:07 |
| MDC2 | i could give it a try - but not today (or maaaaybe tonight) | 12:07 |
| MDC2 | depends on the girl ;) | 12:08 |
| mac_v | hehe ;p | 12:08 |
| MDC2 | now breakfast! | 12:08 |
| mac_v | MDC2: sure... if confirm it and assign it to you... you can fix it at leisure.. :) | 12:09 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, yup :-) | 12:13 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, should we create an upstream bug as well? | 12:14 |
| mac_v | MDC2: yeah... i guess it would already be reported upstream... if not needs to be reported... also mention the firefox behavior upstream | 12:15 |
| mac_v | MDC2: the funny thing is this didnt happen when a similar bug was reported, i invalidated it!.. after i cleared all the .gnome .gnome2 .config files , the new rules are visible ;p now i'm searching for the old bug | 12:18 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, hmm - it *might* be a problem when you hold down the mousebutton and then choose an item.. it does work in firefox so it should work here too - but not sure.. now really really breakfast | 12:20 |
| djsiegel | DanRabbit: the Templates icon is awesome! | 15:00 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: Bug #410636 , gtk has made some changes , now nautilus needs a patch | 15:22 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 410636 in hundredpapercuts "right click on Nautilus is confusing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410636 | 15:22 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: MDC2 has offered to work on it | 15:23 |
| === sulleymansford is now known as dashua | ||
| bratsche | mac_v: That might be as simple as adding some extra padding to menuitems in the theme. | 16:38 |
| bratsche | GtkMenuPositionFunc will obviously do it, but if it's a real problem for all menus then we should try to solve it for more than just Nautilus. | 16:39 |
| mac_v | bratsche: actually its not just padding... the pointer does highlight the 1st menu item , this was not the old behavior , i test the similar bug 1 month ago , in jaunty which was a serially upgraded system , [had old cruft] | 16:41 |
| mac_v | tested* | 16:41 |
| ubot4 | mac_v: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out | 16:41 |
| bratsche | This computer is running on Jaunty and I see the issue. | 16:42 |
| mac_v | bratsche: i invalidated this Bug #394712 , thinking it was an hardware issue , because i couldnt reproduce it , in my jaunty | 16:43 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 394712 in hundredpapercuts "Gnome: Right click. When I right click, 95% off time, it click on the first element in the context menu. (dup-of: 410636)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/394712 | 16:43 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 410636 in hundredpapercuts "right click on Nautilus is confusing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410636 | 16:43 |
| bratsche | Maybe you're right that something has changed, but I haven't noticed. I try to keep on top of most of the gtk+ changes. | 16:45 |
| mac_v | bratsche: firefox does this elegantly but lowering the menu just a couple of pixels..., the only other area is probably nautilus , i'm not sure of any other areas where this might cause problems... are you aware of any other apps? | 16:47 |
| bratsche | Let's take a look at what gnome-terminal is doing, because it's not showing the same behavior. | 16:48 |
| bratsche | gnome-terminal does not prelight the first menuitem when the menu pops up. | 16:48 |
| bratsche | I need to run some errands, but I'll be back in a couple hours. Let me know if you find anything interesting about this. | 16:49 |
| mac_v | bratsche: weird , right-click on the title bar does *not* select the first option! | 17:56 |
| mac_v | AFAIK no-where does it occur! i guess everyone else has fixed it apart from nautilus! | 18:24 |
| djsiegel1 | DanRabbit: added support in GNOME Do for xdg-user-dirs icons so I can see your great icons more often :) | 18:33 |
| djsiegel1 | DanRabbit: bzr branch lp:~djsiegel/do/xdg-user-dirs-icons to test | 18:33 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, i'm kinda back... will be completly back in 30-60 min and then I could start looking in to the issue a little bit more | 18:54 |
| MDC2 | i have the same problem with window menus btw.. | 18:54 |
| mac_v | MDC2: it dont think it happens with windows menu , you have to make sure *not* to move the mouse , even the slightest movement prelights the option | 19:10 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, yes still there.. no movement ;-) | 19:20 |
| MDC2 | but only with clearlooks | 19:20 |
| MDC2 | bratsche, i have the same problem with gnome-terminal | 19:20 |
| mac_v | MDC2: nope... not for me... even with clear looks it doesnt prelight , gnome terminal is also fine for me | 19:21 |
| MDC2 | this is strange.. | 19:21 |
| MDC2 | but you have problem with nautilus? | 19:22 |
| mac_v | yes | 19:22 |
| MDC2 | are you running karmic? | 19:22 |
| mac_v | yes | 19:22 |
| bratsche | I'm in Jaunty now, will test with Karmic later | 19:22 |
| mac_v | MDC2: do one thing... create a new account and test it there | 19:22 |
| MDC2 | karmic or jaunty? | 19:22 |
| mac_v | MDC2: for now in jaunty , this problem occured only after i cleared all my configs, so IMO cruft can affect the behavior | 19:23 |
| MDC2 | i'll do the testing in karmic first.. can't logout my desktp ;-) | 19:24 |
| MDC2 | i'll just make sure its up2date first | 19:24 |
| mac_v | bratsche: how does the window menu behave for you? | 19:25 |
| MDC2 | could you reproduce window menu problem in any theme? | 19:26 |
| mac_v | MDC2: nope... just checked, nothing in the default does this, even thought the border exists for the clearlooks , the option is not prelit | 19:28 |
| mac_v | though* | 19:28 |
| mac_v | MDC2: are you on a laptop or desktop? | 19:29 |
| MDC2 | virtual machine :-) | 19:29 |
| MDC2 | Font rendering is "Best shapes" | 19:29 |
| MDC2 | new user in karmic - plain default; problem in nautilus, no problem in window menu | 19:32 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, switching to clearlooks; the problem is in both menus | 19:33 |
| MDC2 | and just moving the mouse 1px up - the option is not selected... | 19:34 |
| mac_v | MDC2: just checked in virtual bix, it *does* prelight | 19:34 |
| mac_v | so pls dont test in virtual bix | 19:34 |
| mac_v | box* | 19:34 |
| MDC2 | well... this *is* strange.. | 19:35 |
| MDC2 | so, it depends on theme AND hardware.. | 19:35 |
| MDC2 | X drivers? | 19:35 |
| MDC2 | I have no real hardware to test karmic on, sorry.. | 19:36 |
| MDC2 | I'll see how metacity is showing there menu. | 19:36 |
| mac_v | MDC2: hwo much space do you have on your system? | 19:37 |
| mac_v | how* | 19:37 |
| MDC2 | well.. that's not actually a problem.. just.. dont wanna do it :) | 19:38 |
| mac_v | MDC2: na... if you have a separate / and /home , you could just dual boot with the same /home for both jaunty and Karmic | 19:39 |
| MDC2 | to much work restarting and getting all my apps :-) | 19:39 |
| MDC2 | running* | 19:39 |
| MDC2 | aha! | 19:41 |
| MDC2 | metacity is using the popup menu pos function | 19:41 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, http://pastebin.com/d221f2113 | 19:43 |
| mac_v | where is this file location... let me check in karmic | 19:45 |
| mac_v | MDC2: ^ | 19:45 |
| MDC2 | metacity | 19:45 |
| MDC2 | /src/ui/menu.c | 19:45 |
| MDC2 | look at line 517 | 19:46 |
| MDC2 | if you have the source for nautilus, take a look in file-manager/fm-directory-view.c line 5567 | 19:46 |
| mac_v | woops... no source ;p | 19:47 |
| MDC2 | hmm... if I open the window menu far to the right so it cannot fit the menu to the right I can almost never get the menu to stay.. | 19:48 |
| MDC2 | bbl | 19:51 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, back - you found anything? | 20:07 |
| mac_v | MDC2: i dont have the source ... bbl | 20:13 |
| MDC2 | anyone with good insight of gtk_menu_popup () here? If i supply "data" without a function - is that used for anything? | 20:19 |
| MDC2 | because looking at the nautilus eel code, they're suppling data (GdkPoint) but NULL as function... | 20:20 |
| MDC2 | seems wrong to me.. | 20:20 |
| MDC2 | from Company in #nautilus http://git.gnome.org/cgit/eel/commit/?id=5ee31ee96f0b3027808026fb62a06c4593d43583 | 20:40 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, bratsche ^ | 20:40 |
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| SiDi | MDC2: if you dont give it a function i believe it uses one | 21:24 |
| SiDi | im not sure at all but i think it expects a mouseevent or a keyboardevent as data | 21:24 |
| SiDi | depending on whether you clicked or used the menu key | 21:25 |
| MDC2 | SiDi, no - I checked the source for gtkmenu - and data is just data for the function | 21:25 |
| MDC2 | SiDi, if you look at the commit above, nautilus has had a function to move the menu a few px off. But when they removed that they just did it quick'n'dirty and didn't remove unessecary (can't spell) code.. | 21:27 |
| MDC2 | So its a "bug" in nautilus, but no-one will ever notice :-) | 21:27 |
| SiDi | okey :) | 21:28 |
| kwwii | MDC2: huh, is that why the menu is not in line with the rest of the widgets? | 21:28 |
| MDC2 | kwwii, how do you mean with "not in line"? | 21:28 |
| kwwii | sorry for butting in the conversation ;) | 21:28 |
| MDC2 | no problem - you're welcome to jump in :) | 21:29 |
| MDC2 | I've filed a bug against gtk for this. | 21:29 |
| MDC2 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591258 | 21:29 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 591258 in gtk "Easy to accidentally select first option in popup menus" [Minor,Unconfirmed] | 21:29 |
| kwwii | MDC2: I think we are talking about the same thing...every time I right click on my desktop by accident it ends up making a new folder | 21:31 |
| MDC2 | yep, me too :) | 21:31 |
| MDC2 | (creating a folder) | 21:31 |
| SiDi | i dont have this problem | 21:31 |
| * SiDi uses thunar :P | 21:31 | |
| MDC2 | well, probably exists in thunar in another theme (unless they've hacked around it) | 21:32 |
| MDC2 | as I'm not allowed to do in nautilus | 21:32 |
| kwwii | MDC2: why can't you hack around it? | 21:41 |
| kwwii | it might be a simple fix for the gtk theme | 21:41 |
| kwwii | although I think that is unlikely | 21:41 |
| kwwii | maybe adding a pixel or two more padding in the theme would make things somewhat better | 21:42 |
| MDC2 | kwwii, I asked in #nautilus and they sees it as a bug in gtk rather than nautilus and they have had a patch for it but removed it to be consistent with other gnome apps | 21:42 |
| aboSamoor | I lost the brightness notification bubble that comes with notify-osd I only have the old one that comes in the middle of the screen ! Can you help me ? | 21:43 |
| MDC2 | I'll see what the gtk devs says about it first. | 21:43 |
| SiDi | aboSamoor: its a bug in karmic's g-p-m | 21:43 |
| SiDi | the patch needs to be ported to it | 21:43 |
| SiDi | i think there is a report for it but you may wanna check | 21:43 |
| aboSamoor | SiDi, can you point the Bug number, I am running Karmic up to date | 21:44 |
| SiDi | im way too lazy to search for the bug :D | 21:44 |
| aboSamoor | SiDi, I searched many times, if you mean Bug 344385 I don't think mine of the same type. maybe my search terms are not correct, do you suggest any special terms for making search better | 21:45 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 344385 in notify-osd "Brightness notification works only with Human Icons " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344385 | 21:45 |
| SiDi | aboSamoor: then it might not have been reported yet | 21:47 |
| aboSamoor | SiDi, if you meant the previous Bug, I am trying to test it, i changed the icon theme to Human, should I restart/log off ? | 21:48 |
| SiDi | its not this bug | 21:50 |
| SiDi | you should report that the g-p-m in karmic doesnt use notify-osd notifications | 21:50 |
| SiDi | (because the patch needs to be rewritten) | 21:51 |
| * SiDi would like to point out that this patch should exist upstream btw | 21:51 | |
| aboSamoor | SiDi, what is g-p-m ? my search for another time is not working ;) | 21:53 |
| SiDi | gnome-power-manager ;) | 21:55 |
| aboSamoor | ok, I will file a bug against this package | 21:56 |
| aboSamoor | ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package" ! | 22:02 |
| dashua | aboSamoor, bug 406396 | 22:14 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 406396 in gnome-power-manager "notify-osd patch needs to be rewritten" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406396 | 22:14 |
| kwwii | MDC2: yeah, that sounds like the current situation...too bad | 22:14 |
| MDC2 | kwwii, yup | 22:15 |
| kwwii | the good thing about problems in open source software is that it spurs change. Someone will either fix things or provide a better replacement | 22:16 |
| kwwii | the downside of that is that it takes time :p | 22:16 |
| kwwii | I suggest everyone switch to kde, you'll never have a problem on the desktop because they removed it :D | 22:17 |
| MDC2 | yep, but as you said, it takes time... | 22:17 |
| MDC2 | haha | 22:17 |
| MDC2 | never liked kde - but haven't tried 4.x yet - maybe someday when ... it's raining :-) | 22:18 |
| kwwii | actually, with the home folder window on the desktop, once you get to know it, it makes more sense. funny that | 22:18 |
| kwwii | oh, I would wait another 6 months if you want to be really impressed | 22:19 |
| MDC2 | i can wait :) | 22:19 |
| kwwii | there are still quite a few (major) problems if you ask me | 22:19 |
| kwwii | but it looks amazing ;) | 22:19 |
| MDC2 | can't give up gnome now when we're so close to world domination ;-) | 22:20 |
| kwwii | lol, no doubt..that is the funny thing about the situation | 22:20 |
| kwwii | ubuntu gnome is still the desktop to use to get things done, in any case | 22:21 |
| kwwii | but things are a-changing, if you know what I mean | 22:21 |
| MDC2 | (can't say that much because of 1) risk o flamewar and 2) haven't tried kde) | 22:21 |
| maco | i <3 kubuntu | 22:21 |
| kwwii | netbook and desktop are kinda merging, so new ideas made now on a fundamental level might well pay-off in the end | 22:21 |
| MDC2 | gnome 3.0 and stuff | 22:21 |
| maco | is prettier | 22:21 |
| kwwii | sorry, have to talk to my wife | 22:21 |
| kwwii | ... | 22:21 |
| MDC2 | maco, but gnome-shell is the new shit :-) | 22:22 |
| maco | MDC2: it looks confusing to me | 22:22 |
| maco | and it makes me wonder if id be stuck with metacity or if id still be able to replace the wm with one i like | 22:22 |
| MDC2 | actually i have no clue how its gonna work :-) | 22:22 |
| MDC2 | didn't like the idea of change at all :-P | 22:22 |
| MDC2 | but it's nice someone trying anything new - and who knows it might actually be good :) | 22:23 |
| kwwii | gnome-shell is a good start, perhaps but nowhere near the end result, if you ask me | 22:23 |
| MDC2 | kwwii - go talk to your wife! | 22:23 |
| maco | im just wondering if the kwin tiling being written will be all keyboard controlled or if it'll be like Terminator, letting me retile with the mouse | 22:25 |
| kwwii | re | 22:56 |
| * kwwii leaves Tuesday on vacation until the 27th! w00t | 22:57 | |
| kwwii | and is out for the night | 22:57 |
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