[00:39] <JontheEchidna> Anyone around who can upload a Konversation release from bzr?
[00:58] <maco> vorian: moose said if your proposal had been more "this is about kde and its new hotness like plasma-netbook" she wouldnt have gone "ugh another *buntu submission..."
[01:02] <dtchen> there are a lot of canonical employees speaking at atlanta linuxfest
[01:09] <maco> ScottK: can we drag you to ohio too?
[01:09] <maco> hey wait dtchen is online
[01:09] <maco> dtchen: where are you?
[01:09] <maco> dtchen: is past dinner time
[01:10] <dtchen> i'm working
[02:42] <ScottK> maco: I'm about out of time off for a while, so no.
[02:43] <ScottK> Taking week after next off too.
[02:43] <jjesse_> hope you have a great vacation
[02:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:47] <seele_> ScottK: where are you goin?
[02:48] <ScottK> Outer banks in NC.
[02:48] <seele_> nice
[02:48] <seele_> fishing too? or just the beach?
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> New installer is slick
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> Typing seemed a bit delayed, tho
[04:38] <dtchen> ScottK: cool, enjoy the time. (i frequented OBX as a kid)
[04:42] <maco> ive never been there but my mom hated OBX. she said there's nothing to *do*
[04:42] <maco> no nightlife
[04:42] <dtchen> that's rubbish
[04:43] <maco> she said the only thing to do there is sit at the beach then go home and go to sleep
[04:43] <dtchen> see above about rubbish
[04:43] <dtchen> obvious someone didn't go explore
[04:44] <maco> she was there staying with friends who live there *shrug*
[04:58] <ScottK> seele_: Beach and family.
[04:59] <ScottK> 25th wedding anniversary for my father and his wife.
[04:59] <dtchen> 'net access out there is a bit spotty, but it's feasible
[04:59] <dtchen> someone in #trilug knows a lot more about it than i do, since he does isp work out there
[05:01] <ScottK> It's unlikely to be worse than i had in Delaware last week (none unless I drove an hour to get in to Dover).
[05:23] <maco> dtchen: youre still down at busboys right?
[08:41] <hunger> Morning.
[09:35] <_Sime> anyone, in KDE 4.3, is it meant to be possible to drag the progress notifications out onto the desktop?
[09:36] <_Sime> mm... I expected a window. to the desktop does work though.
[11:19] <Quintasan> anyone with karmic machine and radeon card?
[11:24] <apachelogger> nope
[11:25] <a|wen> not at the same time
[11:25] <apachelogger> a|wen: what do you think about removing the quickaccess plasmiod from the netbook default desktop?
[11:26] <apachelogger> I don't think it's usefulness justifies the occupied space considering the netbook desktop got a quicklaunch link to dolphin + kde 4.3's folderview browsing capability
[11:27] <a|wen> apachelogger: might be a good way to gain some space ... it is a bit annoying as it is now (closes everytime a notification appears)
[11:27] <apachelogger> hehe, nothing for the netbook then
[11:28] <apachelogger> yesterday I had like 30 notificaitons within 30 minutes ;-)
[11:28] <apachelogger> well, maybe a bit less but I defenitely felt busy
[11:29] <a|wen> with heavy use of kopete make that at least tripple ... so everytime you use quickaccess you'll need to prey for a quiet moment
[11:31] <apachelogger> I find it particularly difficult to control with touchpads as well, no matter how big the icons are configured, it always feels more difficult than on a desktop, that is however a issue by concept and might only affect me anyway :D
[11:32] <apachelogger> anyway, I'll remove it for now, just to give the networkmanagement removal some company :D
[11:37] <a|wen> hehe :D ... you've hopefully added the new networkmanagement-thingy at the same time
[11:37] <apachelogger> it's in xdg-autostart
[11:37] <apachelogger> BUT
[11:37] <apachelogger> we need to clean up the package
[11:37] <apachelogger> because currently it still ships the widget
[11:38] <apachelogger> also, we probably should create an update script for the kde update system thingy, to strip said plasmoid from the rc
[11:38] <a|wen> jup, sounds like a good idea
[11:49] <Quintasan> blargh
[12:11]  * apachelogger bzr blames lex79
[12:11] <apachelogger> oh dear
[12:11] <apachelogger> good thing jonny is hiding
[12:12] <apachelogger> lex79: ping ping ping ping ping
[12:53] <lex79> apachelogger: pong pong
[12:56] <a|wen> hi lex79!
[12:56] <apachelogger> lex79: please get a kdelibs packaging branch
[12:57] <lex79> hi a|wen :)
[12:57] <lex79> apachelogger: from kubuntu bzr? why?
[12:57] <apachelogger> take a look at r54
[12:57] <apachelogger> r64 even
[12:57] <apachelogger> I don't get the point of that particular change
[13:00] <lex79> I'm looking, what's wrong apachelogger? I have fixed only list missing files...
[13:01] <apachelogger> rly?
[13:01] <apachelogger> lex79: why did kcert/crypto go?
[13:04] <lex79> there wasn't that files in that version of kde, maybe cmake problem. There are now?
[13:05] <apachelogger> lex79: well, you should know, you removed them
[13:06] <apachelogger> lex79: anyway, my point is that you should be checking what you are removing (or adding), especially if the affected stuff is security related
[13:07] <lex79> apachelogger: now I have more experience, sorry for that... :)
[13:08] <apachelogger> lex79: well, the punishment shall be that you find out whatever happened to kcert/crypto and why :P
[13:10] <lex79> apachelogger: but now kcert/crypto are in kde 4.3 or are still missing?
[13:10] <apachelogger> lex79: well, the .install files still do not list them
[13:10] <lex79> ok
[13:10] <apachelogger> so either someone didn't run list-missing or they are still not there in 4.3
[13:11] <lex79> ok I'll do.
[13:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: For Karmic+1, what do you think of http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1981/kubuntuwww416.png ?
[13:40] <ryanakca> Of course, it's deviating from the ubuntu.com look (which is good imho), and it has the latest news, that could be switched out with interviews and podcasts and what not, but apart from that, pretty spiffy I find :)
[13:44] <a|wen> ryanakca: that is amazingly cool!
[13:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca: a lot of circles?
[13:50] <lex79> apachelogger: kcert/crypto are still not in 4.3, I build the package and run list-missing
[13:50] <apachelogger> lex79: so what did happen to them?
[13:51] <lex79> dunno
[13:51] <lex79> I/we need investigate
[13:57] <a|wen> lex79: looks like crypto has been moved one step up to be next to kcert?
[13:58] <a|wen> lex79: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.0/kdelibs/security/CMakeLists.txt?revision=969644&view=markup
[13:58] <lex79> I'm looking kde4libs in debian websvn and crypto-kcert are not install
[13:58] <lex79> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/kdelibs/debian/kdelibs5.install
[13:59] <a|wen> looks like they have been disabled from upstream
[13:59] <a|wen> s/from/by/
[13:59] <lex79> a|wen: you're right
[14:02] <lex79> so, we need enable it ?
[14:05] <a|wen> from upstream commit-message: "these modules don't work" ... so i'm pretty sure we don't want them
[14:12] <a|wen> apachelogger: right? ^^
[14:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Removing the quickaccess is fine.
[14:44] <ryanakca> a|wen: I know, someone randomly emailed it to me, I like it :)
[14:46] <a|wen> nice :)
[15:31] <apachelogger> a|wen, lex79: my sources suggest that they both are not entirely ported to KDE 4
[15:31] <apachelogger> thus being useless for the better part of their usecases
[15:33] <lex79> apachelogger: when you have time ack this http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-runner-amarok please....
[16:05] <EagleScreen> will also Kubuntu replace HAL by DeviceKit?? (I supuse yes)
[16:30] <shtylman> so...I don't have sound in amarok anymore...and actually...I don't think I have sound in any kde app
[16:32] <shtylman> ryanakca: I actually don't like it all that much.. :/
[16:33] <shtylman> the top seems too washed out...and the bottom footer has too much happening
[16:47] <nixternal> I agree, get rid of the washout on the top, minimalize the footer content down there and it might not be to shabby actually
[16:48] <nixternal> and don't grey scale the kubuntu logo :)
[16:50] <apachelogger> lex79: contains .hg directory
[16:50] <nixternal> mercurial FTW!
[16:51] <lex79> uff :( I'll send an email to upstream
[16:51] <apachelogger> nixternal: except for it being even slower than bzr :P
[16:52] <apachelogger> lex79: I don't like the phrase "command amarok" makes amarok sound like a ship or something, at least something that needs a commander one way or another
[16:53] <apachelogger> lex79: depends amarok
[16:53] <apachelogger> or at least recommends it
[16:53] <apachelogger> packaging should be good otherwise
[16:54] <lex79> ok...
[17:28] <maco> um just wondering. anyone know the point of the widget dashboard?
[17:28] <maco> it seems if i add somthing to it, it gets added to the desktop anyway
[17:28] <ScottK> That's because the desktop is a figment of your imagination and preconceived notions of computer layout.
[17:29] <maco> oh
[17:29] <maco> should i just pretend "show dashboard" is "show desktop"?
[17:29] <ScottK> Pretty much.
[17:30] <maco> oh. ok. i was expecting it to be like in osx or when you use screenlets and set them to the widget layer in compiz
[17:30] <ScottK> There are some other differences, e.g. stuff you can do via the dashboard, but I don't recall the details.
[17:30] <ScottK> seele probably knows better.
[17:31] <maco> the "add widget" box is black instead of matching oxygen
[17:31] <maco> or the qt theme
[17:31] <maco> (is oxygen just the icons? if so, whats the whole theme?)
[17:32] <ScottK> air, IIRC
[17:32] <ScottK> oxygen-air for the completionists I think.
[17:33] <maco> oh ok
[17:46] <maco> ScottK: what package provides the "folder view" and "quick access" plasmoids?
[17:46] <maco> dtchen seems not to have them
[17:48] <a|wen> maco: plasma-widget-<name-of-plasmoid>
[17:51] <maco> oooo there's a plasma-widget-ktorrent. i like this idea
[17:57] <a|wen> :D
[18:12] <maco> a|wen: does plasma-desktop provide the "desktop settings" window (when you right click on desktop, like for changing plasma theme and wallpaper)
[18:13] <a|wen> maco: plasma-desktop ... are you talking about which package provides it or how?
[18:13] <maco> which package
[18:13] <maco> for bug filing
[18:15] <a|wen> my guess would be kdebase-workspace ... but i'm in no way sure about it
[18:17] <maco> ok
[18:22] <maco> wow im confused. the "new theme" button, in source code, says its using the GHNS icon, but in actuality when i look at it, it isn't
[18:22] <maco> seele: ^
[18:40] <EagleScreen> kdm hangs when i close session with Desktop Effects disabled (karmic)
[18:41] <EagleScreen> and also with them enabled
[18:41] <maco> so maybe desktop effects are unrelated
[18:41] <EagleScreen> yes
[18:42] <EagleScreen> video card intel (using UXA by default in karmic)
[18:43] <maco> i mean, if it happens regardless of desktop effects, maybe they have nothing to do with it and kdm's just busted
[18:44] <EagleScreen> yes
[18:44] <EagleScreen> i do not know it it is a hardware specific issue
[19:14] <ghostcube> hmm could it be that the notificytion icon is buggy as hell in 4.3.0
[19:14] <ghostcube> a
[20:06] <ScottK> kdm seems fine here.
[20:11] <micmord> EagleScreen: same problem here
[20:12] <EagleScreen> which hardware?
[20:13] <micmord> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[20:15] <micmord> ubottu: lol
[20:18] <Monika|K> And what reason would there be not to use these abbreviations on IRC in comparison to IM, they are even used on Usenet.
[20:20] <micmord> EagleScreen: I have this problem for several months on karmic
[20:20] <EagleScreen> the same card as me
[20:20] <micmord> really i don't think is KDE related
[20:21] <EagleScreen> it can by by graphic driver
[20:21] <EagleScreen> but kdm works well
[20:21] <micmord> on other intel card at work pc... dmesg give me segfault error on X
[20:21] <EagleScreen> kdm does not work well, xdm works well, sorry
[20:22] <micmord> haven't tried a different x-session-manager
[20:37] <micmord> When I close working session (KDE or WMAKER) the only thing i can do is press power button to shutdown the PC or, if plugged to the net, make a ssh session to restart kdm and keep working.
[20:39] <EagleScreen> yes, the same as me
[20:39] <EagleScreen> xdm is poor and gdm installs meny gnome dependences
[20:47] <ScottK> kdm dies on logout here too.
[20:47] <ScottK> I just don't normally logout
[20:48] <EagleScreen> with intel graphic, ScottK?
[20:48] <ScottK> Yes
[20:48] <micmord> \o/
[20:49] <EagleScreen> i think the kdm death does not happen if UXA is disabled
[20:49] <ghostcube> yeah i fixed my resolvconf problem
[20:50] <ghostcube> -_-
[20:58] <EagleScreen> see bug #371500
[20:59] <EagleScreen> you may want to change the state ot the priority
[21:00] <micmord> subscribed :-)
[21:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: cor, bling bling
[21:19]  * Riddell fluffles seele_ 
[21:19]  * seele_ giggles
[21:21]  * Riddell uploads konversation
[21:23] <Riddell> EagleScreen: hmm, that's interesting
[21:24] <ScottK> Riddell: I got the kdm logout problem too.
[21:26] <Riddell> yeah that's been on my things-to-investigate list for a while
[21:37] <maco> Riddell: define fluffle
[21:45] <Riddell> maco: I couldn't, it's all part of the Quaker Free Software Conspiracy
[21:45] <maco> you're a Friend?
[21:45] <Riddell> well I'm the quiet type so I may as well make a lifestyle out of it :)
[21:46] <maco> Sput: why does Quassel's icon keep flashing at me after ive already focused the buffer that's causing the notification?
[21:46]  * seele_ was just about to say something Riddell always sitting so quietly...
[21:46] <seele_> ^about...
[21:46] <seele_> did quassel get a new icon animation for unread meassages?
[21:46] <maco> its still the light dark light dark thing
[21:46] <maco> i think the glowing might be glowier now though because now i actually notice it
[21:47] <maco> glowier....is that a word?
[21:47] <seele_> i'd like to see the little ball in the circle thing change color, but whatever nuno says i guess
[21:47] <seele_> isnt he the one who created the icon
[21:52] <maco> seele_: you know when you right click the desktop and go to Desktop Settings, you can change plasma theme and wallpaper? there are two GHNS buttons that lack the icon on there. what package is that in?
[21:52] <seele_> maco: can't answer packaging questions.. i've no idea :)
[21:52] <maco> kdebase-workspace was suggested but the only "New Themes" button i could find already has a GHNS icon according to the source code
[21:53] <ScottK> seele_: I think Sput recognizes it as something the needs improving.
[21:53] <maco> ScottK: can you answer what i asked seele_
[21:53] <ScottK> About the icon?  No idea.
[21:54] <maco> about the package
[21:54] <maco> i suspect im looking in the wrong source code because that part doesnt have the Get New Wallpaper button thats on the same screen
[21:55] <ScottK> No.  Dunno.  I'd ask Riddell.
[21:55] <maco> Riddell: ping
[21:56] <ScottK> NCommander: llvm needs some of your love.
[21:58] <maco> oh did anyone else have Akonadi decide to delete their entire addressbook at some point in the last week?
[21:58] <maco> kaddressbook says i have no contacts. LIES! i had like 50 of 'em a week ago
[22:03] <Riddell> hmm,  shells/desktop/BackgroundDialog.ui is the dialogue
[22:04] <Riddell> maco: m_newThemeButton in shells/desktop/BackgroundDialog.ui is one of them
[22:06] <Riddell> maco: other ones in wallpapers/image/imageconfig.ui and wallpapers/image/slideshowconfig.ui
[22:07] <Riddell> maco: do you have any patches for 4.3 we should apply for these get new stuff button fixes?
[22:08] <maco> was gonna do today and got confused because i came across desktopthemedetails.cpp's m_newThemeButton->setIcon(KIcon("get-hot-new-stuff"));
[22:21] <seele_> maco: if it is any consolation, there are way fewer KNS buttons than Abort buttons ;)
[22:21] <maco> seele_: not really
[22:22] <seele_> really?
[22:22] <seele_> i had no idea there were so many KNS buttons
[22:22] <seele_> KDE Games uses it a lot, but we don't ship those by default so you should skip those until last
[22:23] <maco> there were only like 10 abort things
[22:26] <seele_> about to get on the plane.. back in a few hours
[23:46] <Riddell> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4039  what's all this about?  "Ruby Bindings are now in the default Kubuntu install"?
[23:56] <Riddell> plasma-scriptengines             | kdebase-workspace               | kdebase-workspace-bin (Recommends)   that'll be it
[23:58] <ScottK> At least he's in favor of it.
[23:58] <ScottK> Heaven help us if the mono bindings accidentally ended up installed by default.