[00:03] <DanaG> Oh hey, what do I have to do to get avahi and CUPS to automatically recognize a printer attached to an AirPort Express?
[00:04] <DanaG> It'll recognize other CUPS printers / hosts automatically.... but it doesn't show the AE-connected printer.
[00:04] <bjsnider> is it not a samba share?
[00:04] <DanaG> nope.
[00:04] <DanaG> It shows up as "PDL Printer" in service-discovery-applet.
[00:04] <bjsnider> then how does the apple computer see it?
[00:05] <DanaG> + wlan0 IPv4 Samsung ML-1210                               _riousbprint._tcp    local
[00:05] <DanaG> + wlan0 IPv4 Samsung ML-1210                               _pdl-datastream._tcp local
[00:05] <bjsnider> you must have a mac there somewhere to configure the AE
[00:05] <DanaG> There's a Windows utility, too.
[00:06] <bjsnider> outrageous
[00:06] <DanaG> Apple really IS damn annoying... I mean, is it too much to ask for a danged WEB INTERFACE?
[00:06] <DanaG> =þ
[00:06] <penguin42> DanaG: If you go to add a printer and tell it to look at that host does it work?
[00:06] <DanaG> Yeah, works just fine -- airportexpress.local
[00:07] <DanaG> I just wanted it to be automatic -- that is, only show up when I'm at home.
[00:07] <bjsnider> buy a real router?
[00:08] <DanaG> I have one; the AE is a client.
[00:08] <DanaG> =þ
[00:08] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder what we could get on ebay for the AE.  (It's wireless-G, not N).
[00:08] <penguin42> bjsnider: I think it is doing stuff using standard protocols - I think it's all the avahi stuff (what Apple call Bonjour?)
[00:09] <DanaG> IPP printers (_ipp._tcp) work fine, and show up in CUPS.  Only the AE one doesn't show up.
[00:09] <DanaG> s/doesn't/fails to /
[00:23] <DanaG> hmm, anyone else have issues with being unable to click the controls in Flash objects, such as YouTube videos?
[00:24] <penguin42> someone else asked that before - but I was OK doing some flash clicks - although that was in a game rather than actual controls
[00:24] <DanaG> hmm, how do I get the 64-bit Flash?
[00:29] <bjsnider> try wiping out every flash-related package on your system. download the plugin from adobe, drop the file in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[00:29] <bjsnider> i should keep that in glipper all the time and just paste it in whenever someone asks that
[00:30] <penguin42> bjsnider: Is there a reason flashplayer-installer doesn't do that
[00:31]  * penguin42 wonders if it actually does
[00:31] <bjsnider> maybe it does
[00:31] <bjsnider> i just find it easier to do it th is way
[00:32] <DanaG> ugh, screen blanked.
[00:32] <DanaG> wow, actually, it seems to be 1 hour after I log in.
[00:33] <bjsnider> adobe doesn't rev the thing very often, like every six months or whatever
[00:33] <penguin42> ah that one again ...
[00:33] <penguin42> bjsnider: Yeh but when it does it's often a security thing
[00:33] <bjsnider> so i just keep it in the home directory whenever i reinstall
[00:35] <penguin42> bjsnider: actually there's a bug requesting packaging of it - bug 326555
[00:36] <penguin42> bjsnider: It looks like there's something that means that the ubuntu.com archives only hold stables and since the 64bit is officially still alpha then it can't go on
[00:36] <bjsnider> yeah, whatever. ican't keep track of it. there are 3 or 4 different ways of doing it including some half-realized open-source knock-off
[00:37] <bjsnider> oh, that's stupid
[00:37] <bjsnider> idiotic
[00:38]  * penguin42 thought he remembered that from somewhere - I'd commented on it 6 months ago :-)
[00:50] <dtchen> bjsnider: it's indeed a licensing agreement. canonical cannot redistribute a non-release version.
[00:53] <bjsnider> if you say so, sir
[00:56] <dtchen> i was the motu who asked for it back in the day, and that's what adobe told me.
[00:58] <bjsnider> by the time it gets sorted out, flash will have gone the way of realplayer
[01:01] <dtchen> that's doubtful
[01:24] <bjsnider> dtchen, is there any way in a control file to establish a dependency on either one package or another, not at build-time but at install time?
[01:25] <derekS> hey guys, does anyone know about the karmic moblin port?
[01:25] <richardcavell> How do I download wine from Karmic repos so I can build it from source?
[01:25] <richardcavell> I mean, download the source code?
[01:25] <dtchen> derekS: there was a mobile irc channel for ubuntu last i remember
[01:25] <derekS> dtchen: i have looked fori t, do you know it?
[01:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what ever did happen to the ARM Netbook idea Canonical had?
[01:26] <dtchen> richardcavell: presuming you have an active universe deb-src line, apt-get source wine
[01:26] <dtchen> DanaG: it's in progress
[01:26] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't heard any news about it in quite a while.  Are there any articles anywhere?
[01:26] <richardcavell> dtchen: okay.  Where will it install the source code in my filesystem?
[01:26] <dtchen> there have been a shedload of patches flying past
[01:26] <derekS> personally, i have never been impressed with an OS like I have been with moblin
[01:26] <dtchen> richardcavell: .
[01:26] <richardcavell> okay
[01:26] <derekS> its the first that I have seen as revolutionary (well for netbook type tasks)
[01:26] <DanaG> I mean, I see the software side... but what hardware will it be on?
[01:27] <richardcavell> I'll make a directory for it then
[01:27] <dtchen> bjsnider: sure, use '|'
[01:28] <dtchen> bjsnider: e.g., if you want foo to depend on bar or baz (but prefer bar), then use: Depends: bar | baz
[01:28] <DanaG> !info dtrx
[01:28] <DanaG> very very handy tool.
[01:28] <DanaG> It makes sure things won't go trampling all over the current directory.
[01:29] <bjsnider> dtchen, i know but, the problem is i'm linking to dynamic libs that can be provided by two different packages, and after build is done, the resulting package asks for the one it chose during the build process and refuses the other choice
[01:29] <bjsnider> i think it's impossible
[01:29] <derekS> dtchen: do you know the ubuntu mobile channel
[01:30] <DanaG> dang thingy asks for authentication for mounting my eSATA drive.
[01:30] <dtchen> derekS: i think ubuntu-mobile, but i could be mistaken
[01:31] <derekS> dtchen: thanks :) i forgot the E :)
[01:31] <DanaG> And it gives "not permitted" for the other partition on that drive, because it can't queue two authentications at once.
[01:32] <dtchen> bjsnider: look at how ffmpeg dlopens one or the other of (un)stripped libs
[01:34] <bjsnider> dtchen, i'll do that, but i'm not sure with my last question that i made clear what the problem is. using your example, what if i put the pipe in the control file and the build system picks bar at build time. now the resulting foo package depends on bar when installed, even if the user want to install baz instead. is there a way to give the user the choice?
[01:35] <richardcavell> dtchen: when I've downloaded the source, if the repo version of the source is updated, can I update it within Update Manager like normal?
[01:35] <richardcavell> dtchen: ie does it operate like a binary package?
[01:36] <bjsnider> richardcavell, the minor updates don't chage the source tarball but change the other two
[01:36] <bjsnider> major updates are new source tarballs
[01:37] <richardcavell> bjsnider: at the moment the repo version of wine is 1.1.26.  Presumably the maintainer will get around to updating the binary package to 1.1.27
[01:37] <richardcavell> When he does, if I want to upgrade my source code to version 1.1.27, what do I do?
[01:37] <bjsnider> that would be a minor update
[01:37] <bjsnider> just repeat the command
[01:38] <bjsnider> it will download the new source files
[01:38] <dtchen> bjsnider: err, you would build-dep both and generate two separate binary packages.
[01:38] <richardcavell> you mean just repeat apt-get source wine?
[01:38] <bjsnider> yes
[01:38] <dtchen> bjsnider: again, see what the ffmpeg source does
[01:38] <bjsnider> because now the source is updated
[01:38] <bjsnider> dtchen, that's what i thought. thanks
[01:38] <richardcavell> bjsnider: is there a way to update the source instead of downloading all over again?
[01:38] <richardcavell> (It's 18 megs)
[01:39] <bjsnider> the tarball is the big object and it won't change on a small update
[01:39] <richardcavell> okay
[01:39] <bjsnider> oris this a release coming from wine?
[01:39] <richardcavell> I just downloaded it and now I realise that it's the wrong source code.  I should have said apt-get source wine1.2
[01:40] <bjsnider> you meant he ubuntu version is called 1.1.26?
[01:40] <bjsnider> or the wine version?
[01:40] <richardcavell> bjsnider: the ubuntu karmic repo currently has 1.1.26
[01:40] <richardcavell> On 4 August, version 1.1.27 was released
[01:40] <richardcavell> but it's not in Ubuntu repo
[01:40] <bjsnider> ok, that would be a new tarball then
[01:41] <bjsnider> ubuntu point releases wouldn't. if it's a bug in the ubuntu package it would not be a new tarball
[01:41] <richardcavell> Presumably the maintainer (Scott Ritchie) will get around to updating the repos
[01:41] <richardcavell> Now, I can download the new version of wine within update manager.  But to update the source I'll have to rm -rf the directory and then apt-get source wine1.2 all over again, right?
[01:41] <bjsnider> why did you want the source?
[01:42] <richardcavell> I'm trying to profile some code to find a bug and I need debug symbols
[01:43] <kklimonda> richardcavell: there are debug symbols for every binary (and probably library) present in supported repositories
[01:43] <bjsnider> i thought you were just trying to build your own version in pbuilder or something
[01:43] <richardcavell> kklimonda: so how do I get them?
[01:43] <kklimonda> (unless we are talking about ppas.. yawn)
[01:44] <kklimonda> richardcavell: you should add repositories listed on this page: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash
[01:44] <kklimonda> richardcavell: and then install <packagename>-dbgsym package
[01:45] <bjsnider> richardcavell, if the bug you're talking about is fixed in the new version, what's the point of debugging the current one?
[01:45] <richardcavell> the fact that it's edubuntu instead of ubuntu - does that make any difference?
[01:45] <richardcavell> bjsnider: it's not fixed in the new version - I'm just saying that 1.1.27 wine is not in the repos.  To get that I'd have to compile from source
[01:45] <richardcavell> (or wait a week)
[01:46] <bjsnider> how do you know it's not fixed?
[01:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, so how do I get the 32-bit pulse-alsa  thingy back?
[01:48] <richardcavell> bjsnider: I don't, but it's not in the changelogs
[01:48] <richardcavell> I only just reported the bug
[01:48] <richardcavell> I'm back now.  My net connection dropped for a second
[01:49] <DanaG> interesting.... the volume slider for my USB sound card in PulseAudio... has no effect!
[01:51] <Tamagotono> anyone know how to restart the x-server in karmic?  Used to be ctrl-alt-bkspc but that doesn't work now.
[01:52] <derekS> Tamagotono: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart should doo the trick
[01:52]  * richardcavell is back again
[01:53] <bjsnider> or log out and log back in
[01:54] <Tamagotono> derekS: Thanks, unfortunatly I have to switch to a standard terminal for that to work, else it does not re-start x.  There used to be an option to disable NoZap in xorg.conf, but I don
[01:54] <Tamagotono> oops... dont even see that file.
[01:55] <derekS> Tamagotono: sorry, i dunno, thats how i do it
[01:55] <Tamagotono> I appreciate your help.  :)
[01:57] <richardcavell> dtchen: okay I've downloaded the source
[01:57] <richardcavell> dtchen: now can I go ./configure, make, make install to get my debug symbols installed?
[02:03] <DanaG> odd... is the font rendering in Karmic supposed to be any different from the font rendering in Jaunty?
[02:05] <kklimonda> I dont think so
[02:16] <bjsnider> richardcavell, having some internet problems are we?
[02:17] <richardcavell> bjsnider: lol, you noticed
[02:19] <DanaG> When I booted Jaunty to print something, I noticed that the fonts seemed slightly nicer there, somehow.
[02:29] <DanaG> argh... wtf... now Totem's app-volume slider controls the whole sound card.
[02:29] <DanaG> I just accidentally blasted myself by turning up the volume -- the thing was muted, so I figured I'd unmute the app and move it to max volume... and BAM!, it put the sound card at max volume, too.
[02:30] <DanaG> That flat-volumes interface strikes me as a really bad idea.
[02:30] <DanaG> It may make sense technically... but to the user, it's just plain screwed up.'
[02:31] <DanaG> When you control Windows Media Player's volume, it doesn't touch the sound card volume.... so why is it different here?  It totally breaks my expectations for what volume controls should do.
[02:33] <SeveredCross> DanaG: Flat volumes is terrible.
[02:33] <SeveredCross> I actually nuked PulseAudio earlier today, and just rebound my multimedia keys to use amixer and bash scripts to change my ALSA volume.
[02:34] <SeveredCross> I'm so sick of PulseAudio.
[02:34] <SeveredCross> I don't care if I can't get multiple application sound mixing, I don't ever use more than one sound-producing app anyway.
[02:46] <bjsnider> SeveredCross, why not try OSS4?
[02:51] <richardcavell> Okay, I'm trying to install package wine1.2-dev but it depends on wine (=1.1.26).  Now, I know that that dependency is wrong.  It should depend on wine1.2 (=1.1.26), and I have that package installed.  I've filed a bug report about the incorrect depends.  Can I use apt-get to forcibly install the wine1.2-dev anyway?
[02:54]  * richardcavell watches the tumbleweed roll through in response to his question
[02:58] <bjsnider> richardcavell, i don't understand the problem. did you make a typo in there?
[02:58] <richardcavell> bjsnider: No
[02:59] <richardcavell> sudo apt-get install wine1.2-dev fails
[02:59] <bjsnider> why?
[02:59] <richardcavell> it says unresolved dependency: wine (=1.1.26)
[02:59] <ScislaC> Is anyone aware of a way to bypass the physical wireless switch on a laptop to enable wireless? (pretty sure the switch is outright broken/non-functional... doesn't work in Ubuntu or XP)
[02:59] <richardcavell> But on Ubuntu, package wine only goes up to 1.0.1.
[02:59] <richardcavell> The unstable version of wine (1.1.26) is in package wine1.2
[02:59] <bjsnider> oh, i see
[02:59] <richardcavell> So the guy has listed the wrong package name in the dependencies
[03:00] <richardcavell> It should depend on wine1.2 (=1.1.26)
[03:00] <bjsnider> yes, i see
[03:00] <richardcavell> But I'm asking - if I forcibly install the package anyway, am I going to bork my computer?
[03:00] <ScislaC> you could get 1.1.27 from the winehq jaunty repo...
[03:01] <bjsnider> actually, the package shouldn't have been renamed like that, or the control file should have been scrubbed more thoroughly before it was sent in to build
[03:01] <richardcavell> ScislaC: Will it work on Karmic without modification?
[03:01] <ScislaC> yep
[03:01] <ScislaC> does here
[03:01] <richardcavell> ScislaC: I'm a little bit reluctant to add the winehq repo to Software Sources.
[03:02] <richardcavell> ScislaC: Also, I want debug symbols cos I'm doing some profiling to track down a bug.  What does the winehq repo give you?  Just the binaries, or can you install debug symbols?
[03:02] <ScislaC> well, for the record, I almost always am running a +1 of ubuntu with the stable winehq's repo... 4 ubuntu releases now with no problems
[03:02] <ScislaC> 1 sec
[03:03] <ScislaC> it has wine-dev as well
[03:03] <richardcavell> Okay, how big is it?
[03:03] <richardcavell> Has it got all the source?  The dependencies for wine1.2-dev are 181 megs of downloads
[03:04] <SeveredCross> bjsnider: Most apps don't support OSS these days, at least I think.
[03:04] <SeveredCross> Though, OTOH, most of the apps I use are GStreamer, and GStreamer should support oSS.
[03:04] <ScislaC> richardcavell: It has all the same packages that ubuntu provides... however, I have a pretty -dev'd out system, so when I go to add the wine-dev package that's all it wants to add
[03:05] <richardcavell> ScislaC: ok
[03:05] <richardcavell> I just want all my dependencies to work nicely with each other
[03:06] <ScislaC> richardcavell: you could try it without pain though since ubuntu does the 1.2 naming and winehq still isn't adding the numbers in the name (just wine, as opposed to wine1.2)
[03:06] <richardcavell> Won't I have to uninstall package wine1.2 (from Ubuntu universe repo) and then install wine from winehq repo?
[03:07] <ScislaC> richardcavell: ahhh... yes you do (just tried to tag the other for install)
[03:07] <ScislaC> but it won't kill your current config if you don't tell it to :)
[03:08] <richardcavell> So remove rather than purge, you mean?
[03:11] <ScislaC> yes
[03:12] <richardcavell> ScislaC: I think that will still result in downloading 181 megs of -dev files
[03:13] <ScislaC> richardcavell: hmmm... dunno what to tell you if that's the concerning part for you (slow connection?)
[03:13] <richardcavell> ScislaC: I just want the debug symbols
[03:14] <richardcavell> ScislaC: If I compile my wine from source, I may end up conflicting with my package manager
[03:14] <ScislaC> richardcavell: gotcha
[03:14] <richardcavell> If I download it from the Ubuntu repos, there's a bug in the dependencies
[03:14] <richardcavell> So I'm a bit stuck
[03:15] <richardcavell> I think the best idea is: I emailed the maintainer of the Ubuntu repo version of wine, and I'll get him to fix the dependencies
[03:15]  * ScislaC nods
[03:16] <ScislaC> the maintainer may also have a ppa, so that may be worth looking for
[03:16] <richardcavell> Then if I compile from source, my package manager will not regard it as foreign
[03:16] <richardcavell> On another issue, is anyone able to get package dontzap to work?  On my MacBook, I can't get X to restart by doing Ctrl-Alt-backspace
[03:17] <ScislaC> I seem to recall reading on the ubuntu-devel list that it's currently broken
[03:18] <Sarvatt> dontzap does what it says now, it doesnt allow zapping if its enabled :D you change it in keyboard layout options now
[03:18] <ScislaC> It seems like they're not terribly concerned atm since the goal is to get X so rock solid that you'd never need to use it... they feel switching ttys should be sufficient.
[03:18] <ScislaC> that's where it is
[03:19] <richardcavell> Well, on my MacBook I try to run games under wine.
[03:20] <richardcavell> And sometimes it's impossible to get my mouse pointer or keyboard focus out of the game, so I have to log out to get control of my computer again
[03:20] <richardcavell> I can sometimes Ctrl-Alt-Esc and get my mouse pointer to the System-> Log Out menu item
[03:21] <richardcavell> !libatasmart0
[03:22] <richardcavell> libatasmart0 was just installed as a new install under Update Manager.  Now Computer Janitor is saying it's no longer in the repository.
[03:30] <spO> dpkg -i newcustomkernel.deb  is not updating my menu.lst file ,  is there an alternative program and command that does this besides manual way?
[03:36] <drs305> spO: Are you using grub2?
[03:36]  * richardcavell is going to play Half-Life to cure his dependencies-induced headache.
[03:50] <spO> in my fstab it has a incorrect entry, how can i find the correct UUID ?  it says the following:  # Entry for /dev/ !! UNKNOW DEVICE !! :     UUID=8810c2d8-da34-4513-973b-aff3d295ee9f / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1      # Entry for /dev/sda5 :   UUID=637c37bb-1c11-4507-ace7-a31180fbb8a1 none swap sw 0 0
[03:51] <spO> oh wrong channel
[04:26] <bjsnider> spO, ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[04:27] <bjsnider> well, ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ -l would be better i suppose
[04:33] <bjsnider> something about URW Chancery L borks firefox
[04:45] <bjsnider> somebody who has ff 3.5 look at this page and then compare it to another browser: http://www.codestyle.org/servlets/FontSampler?class=URWChanceryL&font=URW%20Chancery%20L&compare=normal
[04:50] <mac__v> bjsnider: ??? midori displays the font as italic , and firefox doesnt!
[04:51] <bjsnider> no, it's not italic
[04:51] <bjsnider> the font is cursive to begin with
[04:51] <bjsnider> look at it in ff 3.0
[04:51] <bjsnider> ff 3.5 is not displaying URW Chancery L at all
[04:52] <mac__v> oh yeah , cursive... midori and firefox 3.0  are same
[04:52] <bjsnider> it's dummying out and displaying the default system font
[04:52] <odinsbane> Can I put karmic koala on a partition of a usb hard drive and boot from that to see how it works?
[05:06] <DanaG> I actually DO use the multi-device features of PulseAudio.
[05:10] <spO>  JFS was not made for being a OS fs , why is it being used for that now... people cannot create something that is more effective or efficent?
[05:10] <bjsnider> ext4 is
[05:10] <bjsnider> utilifate that one
[05:10] <genii> I'm leaning to xfs
[05:11] <bjsnider> xfs has problems dealing with extremely large files
[05:12] <genii> bjsnider: Interesting. I stream dual-layer DVD isos off it without hiccups. ( ~9Gb)
[05:12] <bjsnider> try deleting them
[05:13] <jhannan> interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs
[05:13] <bjsnider> btrfs is awesome, but not ready
[05:13] <bjsnider> another year at least
[05:13] <SeveredCross> Deletes are slow on XFS, that's a known fact.
[05:13] <SeveredCross> But reads and writes are fast.
[05:14] <bjsnider> i don't think it does reliable fsck recoveries either
[05:14] <genii> SeveredCross: I used to get "hiccups" on data stream every 4G with ext2/3
[05:14] <SeveredCross> genii: Interesting.;
[05:15] <SeveredCross> OpenSolaris uses ZFS right?
[05:15] <bjsnider> yes
[05:15] <jhannan> i remember hearing the guy that wrote reiser was going to jail?
[05:15] <bjsnider> their own fs
[05:15] <bjsnider> he is in jail\
 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000886.html </rant>
[05:15] <bjsnider> he killed his wife
[05:15] <jhannan> guess no more reiser
[05:16] <bjsnider> the law carries penalties for that kind of on the stiff side
[05:18] <SwedeMike> DanaG: really hope we'll see more 200dpi screens, I really want one anyway. 2560x1600 at like 22" would be nice
[05:18] <DanaG> My laptop is 147 DPI.
[05:18] <SwedeMike> but people generally dont have good eyevision enough, I think that's why
[05:18] <DanaG> Good thing Linux rocks at DPI scaling.
[05:18] <SwedeMike> ... and the OSes have historically been bad at resizing stuff, but that changed with vista
[05:19] <DanaG> Oh, and by default, Win7 actually sets DPI to the actual DPI of the display!
[05:19] <SwedeMike> so if we can just get XP out of corporate, things might improve
[05:19] <bjsnider> DanaG, i don't know that we have the computing power to use a monitor with, for instance, 300dpi
[05:19] <DanaG> There is literally NO monitor I can buy, that would work as a secondary monitor, without having things 1.5 times as large when on the secondary display.
[05:19] <bjsnider> even if it was economical to manufacture at an affordable price
[05:19] <DanaG> It sucks -- I simply CAN'T use dual monitors -- none matches my internal!
[05:20] <DanaG> If I wanted to match my internal... I'd have to buy a laptop LCD and an LCD controller.  Total price: 700 bucks, or so.
[05:20] <jhannan> ah hans reiser left two books on police murder investigations inside his car, woops
[05:21] <richardcavell> who is he?
[05:21] <genii> richardcavell: Brilliant programmer that snapped and killed his wife
[05:21] <richardcavell> ok
[05:21] <bjsnider> i don't think he snapped
[05:21] <mac_v> richardcavell: the developer of reiserFS
[05:21] <bjsnider> he was always a nut
[05:21] <mac_v> lol
[05:21] <genii> Hehe
[05:23]  * mac_v awaiting BtrFS
[05:23] <SwedeMike> DanaG: well, let's hope the future brings nice things now, seems most of the elements are starting to fall in place, there are screens, there are OSes that can do this nicely, so the entry point for actually putting this screen into production seems to be less and less
[05:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and nifty thing: the HD3650 can handle HL2DM at 1920x1200 with good texture filtering and vsync on.
[05:24] <DanaG> I just have to have AA off -- and at 147 DPI, I really mostly don't need AA.
[05:24] <SwedeMike> but we're hampered by the people who think that running 1024x768 on a 1280x1024 19" screen is good...
[05:24] <bjsnider> butnot on linux i'm sure
[05:24] <genii> DanaG: Thats the same card I have, it's nice
[05:24] <DanaG> Yeah, that's on Windows.  I boot native when I want to play.
[05:24] <DanaG> Mine's a Mobility, rather.
[05:24] <DanaG> As long as I can't get this high DPI in a desktop... I will not buy any desktop.
[05:24] <bjsnider> oh, i thought i was taking a gratuitous dig at fglrx, but i guess i was right anyway
[05:25] <DanaG> Actually, a bigger blocker is Wine's audio suckage.
[05:25] <DanaG> It doesn't do surround sound, and it deals very badly with PulseAudio -- and yes, I do want to route it through PulseAudio.
[05:25] <bjsnider> i've got antialiasing and anisotropic filtering both on full blast (16x)
[05:26] <DanaG> 1920x1200 is my native resolution.
[05:26] <DanaG> sO IT looks really nice.
[05:27] <bjsnider> still get >8000fps in glxgears
[05:27] <DanaG> oh yeah, something odd: my laptop screen seems to have a "smudge" that's somehow permanent.
[05:27] <DanaG> glxgears_is_not_a_benchmark.
[05:27] <DanaG> Try nexuiz.
[05:27] <bjsnider> how about what's that game?
[05:27] <bjsnider> uh...
[05:28] <bjsnider> ETQW
[05:28] <DanaG> hmm, haven't used it.
[05:29] <DanaG> I was thinking you were thinking of that "sausage" -- sauerbraten
[05:29] <mac_v> bjsnider: where do you set those filtering?
[05:29] <bjsnider> i can run that at 1680x1050 graphics at maximum settings with AA and anisotrpic at 16x
[05:29] <bjsnider> mac_v, nvidia-settings
[05:29] <mac_v> ah! stupid ATI
[05:30] <bjsnider> move to nvidia
[05:30] <mac_v> hehe... this is a laptop :(
[05:30] <DanaG> amdcccle
[05:30] <DanaG> My laptop offered a choice of either... it's a discrete card.
[05:30] <mac_v> huh... never tried that
[05:30] <odinsbane> whats with the alpha 1/ alpha 2, will keeping upgraded with packages keep me upgraded on the karmic release?
[05:30] <SwedeMike> newuiz has a benchmark mode?
[05:30] <SwedeMike> nexuiz
[05:31] <SwedeMike> odinsbane: yes.
[05:31] <DanaG> Yeah, in the multiplayer "demos" section.
[05:31] <odinsbane> whoa 1009 packages to be upgraded
[05:35] <bjsnider> i don't see that section
[05:35] <bjsnider> i have a multiplayer section
[05:35] <DanaG> demos is a tab in the 2.5 version.
[05:35] <DanaG> I got it from getdeb.
[05:48] <bjsnider> i'll runt he benchmark out of phoronix-test-suite
[05:53] <DanaG> hmm, what benchmark do they have?
[05:53] <DanaG> I haven't tried that test suite.
[05:55] <bjsnider> they have all of them
[05:57] <SwedeMike> yeah, it seems very comprehensive
[05:57] <bjsnider> is there a php-gtk package in karmic?
[06:00] <crdlb> heh, I still can't believe he used php-gtk ...
[06:00] <bjsnider> maybe he's a web guy and he only knows php
[06:01] <crdlb> that would simply be an opportunity to learn
[06:02] <bjsnider> yes but gee whiz
[06:02] <DanaG> "all of them" -- hah, odd answer.
[06:25] <pkt> is cups universally broken right now in karmic?
[06:25] <pkt> after the last update I can't print anything any more and cups prints "Weird page contents" in the error_log
[06:36] <andresmh> I keep getting this error when doing apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 248DD1EEBC8EBFE8
[06:36] <andresmh> not sure what i messed up but how can i fix it?
[06:36] <SeveredCross> andresmh: You're using a PPA whose signature you didn't add to your keyring.
[06:36] <SeveredCross> andresmh: Try this: gpg --recv-keys 248DD1EEBC8EBFE8 && gpg --export --armor 248DD1EEBC8EBFE8 | sudo apt-key add -
[06:36] <SeveredCross> That will add that key to your apt keyring.
[06:37] <andresmh> is there a way to know which PPA is the problematic one? perhaps i should get rid of it instead
[06:37] <SeveredCross> andresmh: It's the Network-manager PPA, and it's not really being problematic.
[06:37] <SeveredCross> The packages are signed, you just don't have the key.
[06:37] <SeveredCross> (I only know it's the N-M PPA because I fetched the key).
[06:38] <andresmh> ah :) wow, good memory with those hexadecimal numbers
[06:38] <SeveredCross> Nah, I copy-pasted the line I typed above. :)
[06:39] <andresmh> hehe
[06:39] <andresmh> another question about apt-get. I'm trying to revert a bunch of updates I did to pulseaudio but for some reason is not letting me force a specific version.
[06:40] <andresmh> This is the problem: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/409819
[06:40] <andresmh> while it gets fixed I'd like to revert back
[06:43] <SeveredCross> No idea, not an apt wizard.
[06:44] <mac_v> andresmh: isnt that a pulse audio error , why is it filed in ubuntu?
[06:45] <mac_v> in general i mean
[06:45] <andresmh> mac_v, ah good point. You know, sometimes I don't know where to file bugs. Sometimes is obvious what the package is but other times I have no idea.
[06:45] <andresmh> I'd be happy to submit the bugs to the appropriate place I  just find the process a bit daunting.
[06:46] <andresmh> like in this case, there were a bunch of pulse packages that were upgraded. Do each one of them have their separate launchpad space?
[06:50] <andresmh> Is there a Pulse Audio repo for Karmic? I could only find the source repo
[06:58] <DanaG> oh yeah, is it a known issue that the RAOP is broken in PA 0.9.16?
[07:00] <andresmh> what is RAOP?
[07:01] <DanaG> Remote Audio Output Protocol.
[07:01] <DanaG> The AirPort Express thingy.
[07:01] <andresmh> is that why I am not able to record sound DanaG ?
[07:01] <DanaG> Geez, Apple really does name things rather annoyingly. I don't want a runway anywhere near my computer... would be too noisy.
[07:08] <ripps> Pulseaudio is suddenly ramping my volume up too high. It was working great the yesterday, but there appears to have a been a change recently that makes it too loud
[07:09] <DanaG> handy hint for mic issues: install gamix.  It's a bare-ALSA volume control app.
[07:09] <x1250_> hi
[07:09] <maxiras> Hola
[07:10] <ripps> Listening to music on my headphones was perfect at about 30-40% yesterday, but today, It's been ramped up so high that I have to keep around 5-10% to keep it from being too loud, but that doesn't give me alot of range to fine tune the volume
[07:10] <DanaG> ah, probably the new "use multiple volume sliders" feature.
[07:11] <DanaG> Open alsamixer on the device, and watch as you change the volume in pulseaudio.
[07:11] <maxiras> How to change the link to the chat room in Spanish
[07:11] <x1250_> one of my cores is running at full speed but the other one is not. /proc/cpuinfo reports one at 1667Mhz, but the second one only at 1000Mhz. I tried $ cpufreq-selector -g performance but it doesn't help. I guess I'm kinda clueless. This is a T2300 Core Duo, on a DELL Inspiron 9400.
[07:11] <DanaG> alsamixer -c0   in console -- 0 is sound card number.  may be 1 or 2 or such.
[07:12] <DanaG> I don't know that there even are language-specific +1 channels.
[07:12] <maxiras>  maxiras: click on "join"
[07:12] <maxiras> [03:04] <mostafa_> maxiras: then in add channel for example type "#ubuntu+1"
[07:12] <maxiras> [03:04] --> prasad has joined this channel (n=quassel@59.184.24.179).
[07:12] <maxiras> [03:06] <mostafa_> maxiras: wish you help
[07:12] <maxiras> [03:06] <prasad> Hey can anyone tell me how to change mouse setting on Kubuntu 9.04. I want to check the click properties. iwant my folder to open on double click and not single click which is default
[07:12] <ripps> DanaG: I know, it seems to primarily move master but it seems to move around several sliders. I think the issue is that It moves the pcm slider too high
[07:12] <maxiras> How to change the link to the chat room in Spanish
[07:13] <ripps> pcm is either 0 or 80, but it would probably be best at 50 or if it would move slowly as I ramp up the volume. 0 or 80 with nothing in between is too strong
[07:41] <andresmh> I don't want the latest Pulse Audio so I downloaded a bunch of .deb's of the previous version. But when trying to install them I get: Error: A later version is already installed. I am afraid of uninstalling pulseaudio because it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[07:44] <mac_v> andresmh: i think its better to report the problems and get it fixed than to roll back... else the problems ith your setup *might* never get solved
[07:46] <andresmh> mac_v, i did report the problem :) i just want to roll back while it's fixed
[07:47] <mac_v> hehe... crappy PA updates messed up everything in my system too!
[07:47] <ripps> Man my PA was perfect yesterday... Now it's terrible
[07:47] <mac_v> i'd love to roll back too while things get fixed ;p
[07:48] <mac_v> ripps: same here, *everything* is messed up... all regressions!
[07:50] <mac_v> andresmh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto
[07:51] <ripps> I"m using a workaround by using software mixer in my mpd and having the client ramp the volume low in the application so it doesn't sound so loud.
[07:52] <mac_v> andresmh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=321156
[07:52] <ripps> But I shouldn't have to manually lower the volume on each individual app because PA can't remember how to gradually increase volume
[08:17] <supreme> hey
[08:17] <supreme> i have a pretty weird problem
[08:17] <supreme> i cannot activate the wireless network
[08:17] <supreme> the adapter is recognized automatically
[08:18] <supreme> but when i do right click in network manager the option "activate wireless" appeared gray and i cannot use it
[08:18] <supreme> is karmik alpha3 fresh install and then i updated like 1 hour ago
[08:23] <mac_v> supreme: which kernel?
[08:26] <supreme> 2.6.31-5-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Sat Aug 1 12:48:18 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:26] <mac_v> huh weird , i had problems with 31-4 and they were all fixed in 31-5!
[08:27] <supreme> and i do iwconfig and the hardware is there
[08:28] <supreme> i even try with an usb wifi adapter and it was detected, but the same, cannot activate wireless network
[08:42] <mzuverink> will there be support for the Itouch in the next version?
[08:43] <mzuverink> I hope so, I bought one and cant put music or anything on it
[08:44] <mzuverink> Please include it if possible, thanks much
[08:45] <spO> If i make a custom kernel, such as kernel 2.6.30-4   , how do i install ATI drivers for that kernel? they are not working right for me
[08:48] <supreme> anyone?
[08:49] <supreme> mac_v, you say that you had problems related to wireless in the 31-4 kernel?
[08:59] <coordinador> hey
[08:59] <coordinador> mac_v, i rebooted and everything works fine :S
[09:01] <coordinador> i dont know if it is related to karmic
[09:01] <coordinador> but...
[09:01] <coordinador> when i add an msn account in empathy, i cannot activate, unless i put my password, it is normal? i cannot just add an account without store my password in the system?
[09:07] <mac_v> coordinador: yeah empathy keeps asking for keyring password.
[09:08] <coordinador> oh.. i see
[09:09] <coordinador> i dont like that.. is there something to do related to? like a suggestions forum or some?
[09:09] <coordinador> maybe reporting as a bug could not be correct.. i think.
[09:10] <coordinador> what about if im in a computer that is not mine?
[09:10] <coordinador> i dont want my password stored there
[09:17] <mzuverink> ipod itouch next release, support for it would be banner!
[09:20] <mac_v> coordinador: i'd say filing a bug is the best
[09:21] <coordinador> oh, ok
[09:22] <mac_v> coordinador: after you file a bug could you pls , post the bug # here
[09:23] <coordinador> of course
[09:23] <coordinador> the "bug" was already sent :o
[09:24] <coordinador> #
[09:24] <coordinador> Binary package hint: empathy
[09:24] <coordinador> Password-protected rooms aren't supported, limiting Empathy's use in common group chat situations where there are (more or less) private rooms. Currently targetted after GNOME 2.26, maybe 2.28?
[09:24] <coordinador> Confirmed for future: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Roadmap
[09:24] <coordinador> 		
[09:24] <coordinador> 	
[09:24] <coordinador> I am affected by this bug
[09:24] <coordinador> #256477 "Add support for password-protected ..."
[09:24] <coordinador> Just mark the bug as affecting me
[09:24] <coordinador> Subscribe me as well
[09:24] <coordinador> OKCancel
[09:24] <coordinador> 	
[09:24] <coordinador> 		
[09:24] <coordinador> #
[09:24] <coordinador> 		
[09:24] <coordinador> #391659 Cannot setup an account without saving the password
[09:24] <coordinador> OH im so sorry!!! i swear only copy one line!!!! :O
[09:38] <coordinador> mac_v, is there a way to erase the last conversations in empathy?
[09:38] <mac_v> coordinador: i dont know , i dont use empathy
[09:40] <coordinador> ok, thanks
[09:43] <nacho_> hi
[09:44] <nacho_> anybody has the problem that to increase the volume you have to open the alsamixer and incresease the headphone instead of the pcm or the normal volume control?
[10:22] <sigjuice> hi
[11:37] <Bert_2> Hi, is it me or ain't it possible to get vmware-tools build on karmic yet ?
[11:56] <odinsbane> morning, I installed karmic koala and now metacity / gnome won't display.  I think it is because I am using an ati card.
[11:57] <odinsbane> I used a different tty (ctr-alt f6) and everything seems to be running ok.
[11:58] <odinsbane> well I suppose Ill try rebooting to an older kernel to see if I can fix it.
[12:11] <Bert_2> Hi, is it me or ain't it possible to get vmware-tools build on karmic ?
[12:24] <BUGabundo> bom dia
[12:25] <alteregoa> someone tell me where the samba files are stored?
[12:25] <alteregoa> the config?
[12:26] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: /etc/smb/ ?
[12:26] <alteregoa> nope
[12:28] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: $ sudo updatedb && mlocate smb.cnf
[12:28] <odinsbane> anybody have any luck with fglrx drivers for ati cards?  I can boot up using the old kernel, but then no 3d.
[12:28] <BUGabundo> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:28] <alteregoa> ok i hope i find that
[12:28] <BUGabundo> NM broke for anyone else??
[12:28] <odinsbane> somebody said the kernel I a using doesn't support fglrx, so maybe I need to upgrade that but ...
[12:28] <alteregoa> its messed up after samba 4 install and uninstall
[12:29] <jonathonf> BUGabundo: did you upgrade to 0.8 ?
[12:30] <BUGabundo> I'm running ppa trunk, yes
[12:30] <BUGabundo> and since asac now is away everyday
[12:30] <BUGabundo> I can't slap him
[12:30] <jonathonf> are there any packages for pptp and openvpn yet?
[12:30] <mzuverink> no ipod touch sopprt in karmin?
[12:31] <mzuverink> *sooprt
[12:31] <mzuverink> *sopport?
[12:31] <jonathonf> lol
[12:31] <alteregoa> i cannot see any shares in those file? is there a config file made by nautilus for samba shares?
[12:31] <mzuverink> Supoort(too early in EST)
[12:32] <jonathonf> LOL
[12:33] <Bert_2> Hi, is it me or ain't it possible to get vmware-tools build on karmic ?
[12:34] <mzuverink> Iguess my iyouch topic is mute
[12:34] <mzuverink> I guess my ipod itouch question is mute
[12:35] <mzuverink> in karmic
[12:36] <mzuverink> I have not had window installed in 5 years, it is a shame and a sham to have to do it now
[12:36] <mzuverink> *windows
[12:36] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: where pptp missing ?
[12:36]  * cwillu bounces on BUGabundo 
[12:37] <BUGabundo> hey cwillu
[12:37] <BUGabundo> I seem to have pptp, not sure its working though jonathonf
[12:37] <jonathonf> there's no network-manager-pptp version 0.8, though i haven't tried nm 0.8 with nm-pptp 0.7.1
[12:37] <BUGabundo> mzuverink: exaile, rytombox
[12:37] <BUGabundo> both support ipod
[12:38] <mzuverink> not the touch
[12:38] <BUGabundo> ask on #exaile for support and test the devel version
[12:38] <cwillu> BUGabundo, ipod touch isn't supported yet afaik
[12:38] <BUGabundo> ask their
[12:38] <BUGabundo> maybe they can add it for you
[12:38] <cwillu> unless its jailbroken
[12:38] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy network-manager-pptp  Installed: 0.7.1-0ubuntu2
[12:38] <BUGabundo> strange
[12:38] <mzuverink> #exaile
[12:38] <BUGabundo> its old, but seems to be supported
[12:38]  * BUGabundo hands mzuverink a '/join ?
[12:38]  * BUGabundo hands mzuverink a '/join '
[12:39] <mzuverink> yeah, forgot, sorry
[12:40]  * BUGabundo picks up Twigathy tool to edit irc mistakes
[12:59] <alteregoa> whats the difference btw a lidless and a lidded cpu?
[13:00] <jonathonf> one has a silver metal bit on top, the other doesn't ?
[13:02] <mac_v> lol
[13:04] <mac_v> does anyone have an idea where the rfkill switch settings are set? Bug #406060
[13:05] <BUGabundo> that's still going??
[13:05] <BUGabundo> damn
[13:05] <BUGabundo> I suffered for 3 months wit that bug
[13:06] <BUGabundo> finally it got fixed for me
[13:06] <richardcavell> In system monitor, I have about 20 processes all sleeping.  All are called 'aplay'.  Where did they come from?
[13:06] <richardcavell> Hi Bug man
[13:07]  * BUGabundo lends richardcavell a TAB
[13:07]  * richardcavell thanks BUGabundo, since they're no longer sold in his country
[13:08] <mac_v> richardcavell: i think those are from PA not able to play sounds is rapid succession
[13:09] <richardcavell> mac_v: yeah.  Since updating all my audio drivers my audio is worse than ever
[13:11] <mac_v> richardcavell: Bug #410578
[13:11] <richardcavell> mac_v: I don't miss the sounds but I hope they get it sorted out
[13:11] <richardcavell> I have about 20 processes each using 800 kilobytes
[13:11] <richardcavell> just sitting there
[13:12]  * mac_v really feels like kicking the guy who pushed the latest PA updates !
[13:13]  * BUGabundo kills PA again
[13:14] <BUGabundo> darn thing auto spawns toooo fast
[13:14] <mac_v> BUGabundo: the PA updates are labelled ~test1/2/3! is that normal?
[13:14] <mac_v> are we guniea pigs? ;p
[13:15] <jonathonf> lol, running a pre-release OS?
[13:15] <oldude67> YES\
[13:15] <jonathonf> i think we are more like lab rats ;)
[13:15] <BUGabundo> to what version set is our ARM compiled?
[13:15] <mac_v> hehe... that was wierd seeing th labels , other have rc1/2 , which sounds better
[13:15] <BUGabundo> mac_v: aren't we always?
[13:17]  * mac_v misses the xchat pings... stupid PA!
[13:18] <BUGabundo> me too
[13:18] <mac_v> \o/ finally BUGabundo has the same problem as moi !
[13:19] <richardcavell_> I've decided that i'm going to settle on 10.04
[13:19] <richardcavell_> the next LTS version
[13:19] <mac_v> richardcavell_: no way.. 10.04 is going to be LTS ;p
[13:19] <mac_v> not*
[13:20] <mac_v> richardcavell_: LTS will most probably be with gnome 3.0 , which by 10.04 wont be stable
[13:21] <richardcavell_> mac_v: It seems to me as though computer users have just come to accept buggy hardware and buggy code
[13:21] <richardcavell_> during the life cycle the bugs get ironed out and then new features come along with more bugs
[13:22] <richardcavell_> I want an OS with no bugs
[13:22] <richardcavell_> It seems to me that if they support 10.04 for 3 years they ought to find them all by the end of the 3 years
[13:22] <mac_v> richardcavell_: thats why LTS is going to be only when gnome 3.0 is stable enough for the masses
[13:23] <richardcavell_> GNOME 3.0 will eventually be stable
[13:23] <mac_v> surely but no one expects it to be stable by 10.04... BTW has anyone tried it?
[13:24] <mac_v> karmic has bored me ;p  i want gnome 3.0
[13:24] <mac_v> richardcavell_: http://derstandard.at/fs/1246541995003/Interview-Shuttleworth-about-GNOME-30---Whats-good-whats-missing-what-needs-work
[13:24] <BUGabundo> mac_v: there's a PPA with it!
[13:24] <mac_v> BUGabundo: \o/ link pls
[13:24] <richardcavell_> mac_v: you want the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge?
[13:25] <richardcavell_> mac_v: An OS with dozens of bugs isn't edgy enough for you?
[13:25]  * BUGabundo doesn't get what richardcavell_ is doing here
[13:25] <mac_v> hehe... just curious to test 3.0
[13:26]  * BUGabundo point mac_v to google and to ppa search engine
[13:26] <richardcavell_> I need the Intel 2.8.0 drivers
[13:26] <richardcavell_> that's why I'm on Karmic
[13:26] <BUGabundo> http://ppa-search.appspot.com/
[13:26] <mac_v> ;p ah has to move his lazy ass again ;p
[13:26] <BUGabundo> richardcavell_: running a devel version is NOT the way to have apps bleading edge
[13:27] <BUGabundo> http://www.heffee.com/article/744084
[13:27] <BUGabundo> echo /google ppa gnome 3.0
[13:28] <richardcavell_> Well I was on Jaunty and Karmic works heaps better on my machine (MacBook)
[13:29] <oldude67> jaunty is  like boy george, it has issues..:d
[13:29] <mac_v> lmao^
[13:31] <richardcavell_> My Jaunty partition tied up a male escort last week and was made to collect garbage around the city in front of the paparazzi.  That explains it.
[13:32] <Bert_2> Hi, is it me or ain't it possible to get vmware-tools build on karmic ?
[13:42] <BUGabundo> lunch. bbl
[15:23] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[15:33] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj
[15:33] <BUGabundo> wow
[15:33] <BUGabundo> this is calm today
[15:33] <BUGabundo> everyone at the beach I guess
[15:33] <BluesKaj> raining here, again
[15:34] <BUGabundo> lolol
[15:34] <BUGabundo> I have to have the AC on
[15:34] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/BUGabundo-QRCode.png
[15:36] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, what's that ?
[15:37] <BUGabundo> a qrcode
[15:37] <BUGabundo> you can read it with a bar code
[15:37] <Guest89567> hi.. just curious why there are no cd images, everything is DVD size for Karmic?
[15:37] <BUGabundo> inside that there's my email LOL
[15:37] <BUGabundo> Guest89567: no. pleanty of cd ISOs
[15:37] <jonathonf> there are cd images for kubuntu
[15:38] <BUGabundo> justs a bit too big right now
[15:38] <BUGabundo> !daily
[15:39] <Guest89567> Thanks BUGabundo found the daily build.
[15:39] <BUGabundo> Guest89567: I think you want the daily-live
[15:39] <Guest89567> BUGabundo: Usually. But in this case I'm building up from a command line system. Want to see how well it can be put together.
[15:40] <BUGabundo> Guest89567: then go with minimal
[15:40] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[15:40] <jonathonf> BUGabundo: that might not work for kubuntu
[15:40] <jonathonf> oh wait
[15:40] <Guest89567> Yeah. Read the release notes on Alpha 3 and it didn't seem too bad. Any showstoppers lately?
[15:40] <BUGabundo> why not?
[15:40] <jonathonf> never mind
[15:41] <jonathonf> :)
[15:41] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: its minimal
[15:41] <jonathonf> thinking of something else
[15:41] <BUGabundo> its a sub set equal to ALL *bugtus
[15:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:55] <nnutter> Where would I add (roughly) 'echo "4500" | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_min' so that it ran after the laptop resumes?
[15:56] <BUGabundo> exactly where you said
[15:56] <BUGabundo> on /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_min
[15:58] <nnutter> BUGabundo, it loses the setting after a reboot or resume.
[16:00] <BUGabundo> of course
[16:00] <BUGabundo> its a device
[16:00] <BUGabundo> its created on boot
[16:00] <nnutter> Why did you even bother to respond?
[16:00] <BUGabundo> so you could get extra info
[16:01] <BUGabundo> if you need to set it on every boot
[16:01] <BUGabundo> just right a bash script
[16:01] <BUGabundo> and put it on /etc/rc.S
[16:01] <BUGabundo> then link it to rs5
[16:01] <BUGabundo> if you don't know how to do that, then maybe you should file a bug with the kernel, and hope it gets fixed soon
[16:02] <BUGabundo> or try a vanila kernel to see if htose have your fix
[16:02] <nnutter> Thank you, I'll look into it.
[16:07] <nnutter> BUGabundo, my original question was how to execute that after the laptop resumes. Your solution would only work at boot.
[16:08] <BUGabundo> true
[16:08] <BUGabundo> find the resume script
[16:08] <BUGabundo> and add it there too
[16:13] <bjsnider> is fernando back here yet?
[16:14] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, ping
[16:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: pong
[16:16] <bjsnider> i have a bug for you to report
[16:16] <bjsnider> firefox 3.5 cannot display the URW Chancery L font http://www.codestyle.org/servlets/FontSampler?class=URWChanceryL&font=URW%20Chancery%20L&compare=normal
[16:17] <bjsnider> compare it with firefox 3 or any other browser
[16:18] <BUGabundo> me??
[16:18] <BUGabundo> why me?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ff also doesn't render captioned images on some pages
[16:18] <bjsnider> because you dig reporting bugs
[16:18] <BUGabundo> and why are you calling me by my first name????
[16:18] <BUGabundo> its weekend
[16:18] <BUGabundo> I'm relaxing
[16:18] <BUGabundo> and catching up on stuff about android
[16:18] <bjsnider> well, there's no rush
[16:19] <BUGabundo> too much info, too little time
[16:19] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: just the the guys at #ubuntu-mozillateam know
[16:19] <BUGabundo> fta is active
[16:19] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, > namedropper :)
[16:20] <bjsnider> didn't know there was an irc channel for that
[16:20] <bjsnider> but if i told them there they'd tell me to report a bug
[16:20] <BUGabundo> prob
[16:20] <BUGabundo> or tell you its known
[16:20] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ?
[16:21] <nnutter> Found the resume script. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/*. Apparently Karmic is moving from acpi-support to pm-utils.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, > android
[16:27] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: let me say it again :D
[16:27] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ???
[16:28] <kklimonda> nice, flash has started working with PA for me
[16:29] <BUGabundo> I have no sound today :(
[16:30] <BUGabundo> not even kiling it fixes it
[16:30] <bjsnider> the flash alpha from adobe has used pulse for, what, 2 years now?
[16:30] <bjsnider> ever since it was released anyway
[16:31] <kklimonda> well, isn't it obvious? if you treat your sound like that it's no wonder it's gone
[16:31] <kklimonda> bjsnider: no - it uses pulse though alsa plugin
[16:31] <BUGabundo> $ sudo killall -9 pulseaudio
[16:31] <BUGabundo> $ sudo killall -9 pulseaudio
[16:31] <BUGabundo> $ sudo killall -9 pulseaudio
[16:31] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio: no process found
[16:31] <BUGabundo> $ sudo killall -9 pulseaudio
[16:31] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio: no process found
[16:31] <BUGabundo> finally the bastard died
[16:31] <BUGabundo> sudo helped :)
[16:32] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: wouldn't it be easier to do echo "autospawn = no" >> ~/.pulse/client.conf ?
[16:32] <bjsnider> kklimonda, are you talking about npviewer.bin or libflashplugin.so?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> no
[16:33] <BUGabundo> I want it to start
[16:33] <kklimonda> bjsnider: neither - it should use alsa module directly now
[16:35] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I was just teasing about the "android" , that's all :)
[16:36] <kklimonda> lol, building emacs on tmpfs failed..
[16:36] <kklimonda> damn
[16:36] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:36] <BluesKaj> lost in translation
[16:37] <bjsnider> i'm always befuddl;ed when i hear people talk about flash problems
[16:38] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, what sources server do you use , main or canada or... ?
[16:38] <bjsnider> main
[16:38] <bjsnider> the canadian server is too slow to refresh updates
[16:38] <BluesKaj> do you have the medibuntu repos ?
[16:38] <bjsnider> yessuh
[16:39] <bjsnider> i don't think i use it for much though
[16:39] <BluesKaj> the medibuntu repos I have isn't connecting
[16:40] <bjsnider> do they have karmic packages yet?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> yes, well they did
[16:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: yes
[16:42] <bjsnider> paste your apt line
[16:42] <BluesKaj> http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/non-free Packages ... http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/free Packages...
[16:42] <BluesKaj> Cannot initiate the connection to packages.medibuntu.org:80 (2a01:e0b:1:82:21c:c0ff:fe27:9561). - connect (101 Network is unreachable)
[16:43] <bjsnider> the whole deb line
[16:43] <bjsnider> uh oh, i've got that network problem from yesterday. what was the fix for that?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> guys how to restore  xfce settings?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic free non-free
[16:43] <BUGabundo> is it like on gnome? mv .gconf ?
[16:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I haven't quite figured it out - I reckon it shares some stuff with gnome
[16:45] <BUGabundo> penguin42: need quick help. a girl in destreess
[16:45] <BUGabundo> need to impress :D
[16:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: certainly when I started xfce it ran some stuff from my gnome session and when I went back to gnome it ran some xfce stuff
[16:45] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I showed you mine , now show me your's ..deb that is :)
[16:45] <BUGabundo> tips, advice welcome
[16:45] <penguin42> hehe - I don't know xfce well, I only used it for a day - what's broken?
[16:45] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ahahahahaahahahah
[16:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: most likely it's stored in ~/.config/
[16:46] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I have the same and it works.
[16:46] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, i've lo;st the lan connection because of that problem yesterday, or the day before
[16:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: at least most of it
[16:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: if not check for ~/.xf*
[16:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: .config is too big to rename
[16:46] <BluesKaj> your medibuntu source , bjsnider
[16:46] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: wfm for me
[16:46] <bjsnider> oh
[16:46] <BUGabundo> not sure it was you, or bjsnider, I told yesterday that their server is balanced
[16:47] <BUGabundo> so you get a closer to you, even using the same URL
[16:47] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, that was me , but what does that mean ?
[16:47] <bjsnider> they've brought balance to the force?
[16:47]  * BUGabundo distributes slaps all around
[16:48] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: means you hit a proxy server, that then redirects to a server closer to you
[16:48] <BluesKaj> bummer, I don't want no friggin proxy servers :)
[16:49] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[16:49] <BUGabundo> dig it
[16:49] <BUGabundo> and see the IPs
[16:49] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, anysuggestions ?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> then reverse dns those
[16:49] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, are you in the people's republic of toronto?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> packages.medibuntu.org.	1929	IN	A	91.121.62.209
[16:49] <BUGabundo> packages.medibuntu.org.	1929	IN	A	88.191.79.39
[16:49] <BUGabundo> packages.medibuntu.org.	1929	IN	A	88.191.82.11
[16:49] <BluesKaj> nope, bjsnider I'm in rainbow country
[16:50] <BluesKaj> west of sudbury
[16:50] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You running this IPv6 stuff?
[16:50] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You run inside the mound?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> i haven't got IPv6 disabled if that's what you mean penguin42
[16:51] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: then do it
[16:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's just your error before showed it trying to connect to an IPV6 address
[16:51] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, I tried the blacklist route but it doesn't take
[16:51] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: from logs you have pasted yesterday I'd say that you have some problem with ipv6
[16:52] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, who's your isp?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> I had it disabled in Intrepid but since upgrading the blacklist procedure isn't working
[16:53] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, sympatico
[16:53] <bjsnider> sympatico?? hahahhaaa
[16:53] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: huh? was it to bjsnider ?
[16:53] <bjsnider> i thought all of their customers had hung themselves long ago
[16:54] <kklimonda> :D
[16:54] <BluesKaj> well , they're more relaible than than the local cable outfit ...and I'm sort of in the boonies here , altho we love it
[16:54] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, the local cable outfit is?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> eastlink formerly personna
[16:55] <bjsnider> that's my isp
[16:55] <bjsnider> you're wrong about the reliability
[16:55] <bjsnider> hasn't been true for years
[16:56] <BluesKaj> easdtlink hasn't had a chnce to fix the probs here yet , they just bought it in march
[16:56] <bjsnider> persona fixed their problems about 3 years ago
[16:57] <BluesKaj> meanwhile we're sticking with bell,. We have belltv and phone so we're "bundled"
[16:57] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, so what's the procedure to turn off IPv6 again?
[16:58] <jonathonf> ipv6.disable=1
[16:58] <jonathonf> to grub option
[16:58] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: you can't just blacklist ipv6 module?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> grub2
[16:58] <kklimonda> well, not
[16:58] <jonathonf> not any more
[16:58] <kklimonda> so you have to set it in grub as jonathonf said
[16:59] <shapr> Greetings, I use debian/unstable as my everyday server & desktop distro. I've been using ubuntu 9.04 on one of my servers, but now I'd like to switch it to 9.10 server.
[16:59] <BluesKaj> I tried that kklimonda , it doesn't work any more
[16:59] <bjsnider> what?
[16:59] <shapr> Can I just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to karmic and do a dist-upgrade?
[16:59] <bjsnider> why can't you blacklist modules?
[16:59] <jonathonf> shapr: easiest way is to run ' update-manager -d '
[16:59] <kklimonda> bjsnider: ipv6 was compiled into kernel
[17:00] <shapr> jonathonf: Thanks! I'll try that.
[17:00] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: have you tried doing ipv6.disable in karmic?
[17:00] <BUGabundo> shapr: are this PRODUCTION servers?
[17:00] <shapr> Not exactly, no.
[17:00] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: from quick glance at bug 351656 it should work in KK (it didn't in JJ)
[17:00] <shapr> BUGabundo: As in, I'm not trying to make money with them, and neither is anyone else.
[17:00] <BUGabundo> shapr: for upgrade on a server you run the cli version of UM: $ sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[17:00] <BUGabundo> not sure the sudo is required
[17:00] <BluesKaj> no kklimonda , I assumed after it didn't work in jaunty that ipv6 was becoming the default
[17:04] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, your medibuntu apt line works here
[17:04] <shapr> BUGabundo: Spiffy, I'll try it.
[17:04] <BUGabundo> pff
[17:04] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I just said you guys are hiting diff servers
[17:05] <BUGabundo> change hosts to each one add see what happens BluesKaj
[17:16] <bjsnider> what theme are they looking at for karmic?
[17:18] <jonathonf> a brown one?
[17:18] <jonathonf> :P
[17:18] <genii> Hopefully something psychedelic
[17:19] <shapr> BUGabundo: Seems to be working, thanks!
[17:19] <BUGabundo> mine changes every 5 min
[17:19] <BUGabundo> shapr: np
[17:19] <BUGabundo> shapr: with or without sudo?
[17:19] <shapr> I was already sudo'd into zsh, so I just ran it.
[17:20] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:31] <BluesKaj> this ipv6 stuff seems a bit beyond me and BUGabundo I don't know wht you mean by reverse dns as it applies to my sources.list
[17:32] <shapr> What's up with ipv6?
[17:35] <BUGabundo> what sources?
[17:35] <BUGabundo> I said HOST
[17:35] <BUGabundo> I said HOSTS
[17:35] <BluesKaj> source.list - repos
[17:35] <odinsbane> I want to disable the fglrx driver so that I can boot with the karmic kernel any hints or pages?.
[17:36] <bjsnider> odinsbane, use jockey
[17:36] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: if it is one of their servers just use another
[17:37] <BUGabundo> you can force it by changing the IP
[17:37] <bjsnider> or just manually edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[17:37] <BluesKaj> hosts , how do i test that ?
[17:37] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: $ dig packages.medibuntu.org
[17:37] <BUGabundo> pastebin that
[17:37] <bjsnider> why should the user have to do this?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> http://pastebin.ca/1523065
[17:39] <BUGabundo> so those are IPv4
[17:39] <BUGabundo> not 6
[17:40] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But if you add 'any' to the end of the dig line it shows the IPv6 as well
[17:40] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: so if you ping packages.medibuntu.org you will see diff ips every time
[17:40] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[17:40] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: what penguin42 said :D
[17:40] <genii> Can I use in /etc/apt/preferences two "Pin:"  directives for a single package?
[17:41] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Oops yes
[17:41] <odinsbane> bjsnider: Can I just comment out the "Device",'fglrx' section?
[17:41] <bjsnider> change fglrx to radeon
[17:42] <odinsbane> k Ill give it a boot.
[17:43] <BluesKaj> ok I added any to the dig : http://www.pastebin.ca/1523067
[17:43] <spO> If i make a custom kernel, such as kernel 2.6.30-4   , how do i install ATI drivers for that kernel? they are not working right for me
[17:43] <bjsnider> or swap out your Alternating Technological Inconsistencies card for an nvidia card.
[17:46] <spO> what do you have against ati?
[17:47] <bjsnider> nothing, sir. nothing at all.
[17:47] <penguin42> spO: On your new kernel you installed the kernel and the modules? And you now have a /lib/modules/yourkernel ?
[17:47] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: still ipv4
[17:47] <BUGabundo> lolol
[17:48] <BluesKaj> how can you tell ?
[17:48] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[17:48] <penguin42> odd, I get an IPv6 as well as IPv6
[17:48] <penguin42> 4
[17:48] <BUGabundo> I know who an IPv4 lloks
[17:48] <BUGabundo> and that's NOT an ipv6
[17:48] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ahaah
[17:49] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: nvm. just change /etc/hosts
[17:49] <BUGabundo> to have ONLY one IP
[17:49] <BUGabundo> and find out which is down
[17:49] <penguin42> http://www.pastebin.ca/1523075 is what I see for that dig
[17:49] <EagleScreen> spO: just install the kernel-module-source for fglrx and dksm will build it for you
[17:49] <BUGabundo> grabbing food
[17:50] <spO> egle, but fglrx is binary format
[17:51] <tgpraveen> anybody knwo how the support is for the blackberry pearl with rhythmbox or banshee?
[17:51] <penguin42> spO: Although it's a long time since I did it, I remember there was a binary bit to fglrx and a compiled bit
[17:51] <tgpraveen> do either of them recognize it as a music player device?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> penguin42, so what are you saying ?
[17:52] <penguin42> tgpraveen: Google says: http://www.nabble.com/Blackberry-Multimedia-Sync.-td22441799.html
[17:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I'm not sure :-) For me I see an IPv6 and an IPv4 address for that
[17:52] <EagleScreen> spO: there are two packages, one is the driver for X server (fglrx-xorg or similar) and the other one is the kernel module (fglrx-kernel-src or similar), I mean about installing it from Ubuntu repositories
[17:54] <EagleScreen> spO: fglrx-kernel-source and xorg-driver-fglrx
[17:55] <BluesKaj> well penguin42 , i'm behind a 2Wire router which is prolly configged for both , but I'm prtetty sure muy ISP is still defaulted to IPv6 , sinc e that's wht most browsers work best on ...vicious circle
[17:55] <BluesKaj> err i meant IPV4
[17:55]  * BluesKaj takes a break
[17:56] <bjsnider> i don't know why a user would have to go through this kind of brutal punishment just to get the friggin' medibuntu repo
[17:57] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, strange thing is that it was fine up until a few days ago
[17:58] <tgpraveen> penguin42: thx
[18:01] <BluesKaj> i know this is all in anticipation of the adoption of IPv6 as the next new std for browsing and internet communication , but why impose it into the kernel before anything is ready
[18:01] <bjsnider> it's been there a long time
[18:01] <bjsnider> vista has it by default too
[18:02] <BluesKaj> yeah
[18:03] <EagleScreen> because it has to be in kernel before something can use it
[18:04] <odinsbane> bjsnider: I replace flgrx with raedon, but it cannot find the raedon module.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> everything appears to be IPv6 or IP6 in my etc/hosts file
[18:04] <BluesKaj> radeon , odinsbane
[18:04] <odinsbane> k
[18:04] <spO> eagle, i found the kernel source now
[18:04] <bjsnider> odinsbane, make sure it's installed. i'm not sure the package name but it would be something like xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[18:04] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: why do you think you haven't got radeon module?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, that's the right one : xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[18:05] <odinsbane> when I try to start x, but I did have it misspelled.
[18:05] <bjsnider> oh hahahaa
[18:05] <genii> Asked in -devel, referred me back #ubuntu for this Q, maybe someone here can help:
[18:05] <genii> Trying to pin the kernel here on a 9.04 box with an /etc/apt preferences file like here: http://pastebin.com/m5a450885   The 3rd stanza would be to prevent the kernel being downgraded to packages with names like linux-image-2.6.28-6-386 ... however wildcards seem not to work here. Is there another way?
[18:08] <EagleScreen> genii: i didn't understand what you want to do
[18:09] <genii> EagleScreen: I want to lock in kernel version of 2.6.8.11 (but all sub-revisions like 2.6.8.11.1 thru 2.6.8.11.9999)
[18:10] <bjsnider> 2.6.8?
[18:10] <genii> Sorry, 2.6.28
[18:11] <genii> But same principle
[18:11] <genii> We have proprietary drivers which fail after a kernel gets upgraded/downgraded
[18:12] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, you have been commenting on my bug about KMS (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/410058). I still end up with a black screen. Any ideas what I could try/how do debug?
[18:16] <Sarvatt> diverse_izzue: you're describing at least 2 different problems in that bug.. the last comment you are using the ubuntu kernel without radeon.modeset=1, need full logs of it tryingto boot with KMS to see whats happening
[18:17] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt: no, it says that in the log when I boot with radeon.modeset=1
[18:18] <odinsbane> That left me pretty bad.
[18:18] <Sarvatt> it isnt getting passed then, where are you adding it?
[18:18] <Sarvatt> right after quiet splash?
[18:18] <spO> eaglescreeen, so i take it you have actually successfully compiled a fglgrx driver for a custom kernel i guess, huh
[18:18] <Sarvatt> are you editing the line in the grub boot menu or adding it to /etc/default/grub and running update-grub2 after?
[18:18] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, correct, that's how i do it
[18:18] <diverse_izzue> i
[18:18] <diverse_izzue> 'm adding the line in grub
[18:19] <Sarvatt> when it boots? not grub.cfg or menu.lst right?
[18:19] <odinsbane> I confirmed that I had the x-org-video-radeon installed and I changed my xorg.conf to have "radeon" instead of "fglrx" which left me without any keyboard.
[18:19] <odinsbane> or visual display
[18:19] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, yes, when it boots
[18:19] <Sarvatt> can you try the kernel in the PPA?
[18:19] <Sarvatt> it doesnt need the boot parameter
[18:19] <diverse_izzue> ok, i will do that
[18:19] <EagleScreen> spO: if you install the module in repository, you haven't to compile nothing, DKMS service will auto-compile and install for you
[18:20] <Sarvatt> if it gives the KMS is not supported message again, try booting with something like radeon.agpmode=-1
[18:21] <spO> eagle, yeah, but you have nto done this ?   one website says that the abi version has to make for this to work
[18:21] <bjsnider> odinsbane, other than that, it's perfect
[18:21] <odinsbane> EagleScreen: I'm getting a [fail] when I try to boot up from that line... DKMS...fglrx(8.632) .... [fail]
[18:21] <bjsnider> odinsbane, what card do you have?
[18:21] <odinsbane> bjsnider: well with the 'fglrx' in the keyboard works and I can log in or change tty's
[18:21] <odinsbane> bjsnider: radeon 3650
[18:22] <bjsnider> fglrx supports that]
[18:22] <bjsnider> radeon probably doesn't
[18:22] <bjsnider> radeonhd might
[18:22] <Sarvatt> radeon and radeonhd do, but with no 3d acceleration and you cant have fglrx installed at the same time to use it (fglrx diverts most of the core packages)
[18:23] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: try to get more information about the error, and if you consider, file  a bug against fglrx-kernel-source
[18:23] <odinsbane> bjsnider: from lspci it is Mobility Radeon HD 3650
[18:23] <odinsbane> Also it worked in jaunty
[18:23] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: sometimes DKMS cannot build a module becouse you have kernel headers or linux-kbuild not installed
[18:24] <diverse_izzue> sarvatt, which package do i want to install to get the kernel from the ppa? linux-image-2.6.31-6-generic?
[18:24] <bjsnider> odinsbane, what does dkms status reveal?
[18:25] <Sarvatt> yeah and linux-headers-2.6.31-6 linux-headers-2.6.31-6-generic probably
[18:25] <diverse_izzue> thx
[18:25] <odinsbane> bjsnider: its blank
[18:25] <Sarvatt> did they ever get fglrx working on 2.6.31 kernels even? it needed changes last i checked and didnt work
[18:25] <bjsnider> that command produces nothing?
[18:26] <odinsbane> nope
[18:26] <spO> eaglescreen, so the information on this page is wrong, right?   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomRestrictedModules
[18:26] <bjsnider> uh...
[18:26] <Sarvatt> alot of people had to go back and use 2.6.30-12
[18:26] <spO> sarvatt, you simply run the command/script that you got from amd.com  website?
[18:27] <Sarvatt> that wont even work on anything newer than 2.6.28...
[18:27] <bjsnider> hahahaa
[18:27] <Sarvatt> ubuntu has patches to make it work up to 2.6.30, not sure they ever patched it for 2.6.31 yet
[18:27] <bjsnider> who was it that asked me what problem i had with ati?
[18:27] <EagleScreen> spO: that information is obsolete for karmic, linux-restricted-modules is deprecated in flavour of separed modules
[18:28] <odinsbane> bjsnider: I just uninstalled the fglrx-kernel-source though
[18:28] <bjsnider> apparently it doesn't matter much
[18:28] <spO> sarvatt, the amd.com script/program won't work on anything newer than 2.6.28?
[18:29] <spO> sarvatt, where are the patches?
[18:29] <BUGabundo> hey Sarvatt welcome back
[18:29] <Sarvatt> you got it, thats the highest it supports
[18:29] <BUGabundo> enjoying the weekend?
[18:29] <BUGabundo> see you already set the cloak! LOL
[18:29] <spO> sarvatt, or rather, what do you do instead, if you want ati support
[18:29] <BUGabundo> didn't loose any time
[18:29] <Sarvatt> install the 2.6.30-12 karmic kernel would be my recommendation
[18:29] <odinsbane> how do I reconfigure xorg,
[18:30] <SeveredCross> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:30] <odinsbane> thanks
[18:30] <Sarvatt> reconfigure it for what? if radeon you can just delete xorg.conf
[18:30] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phight xserver-xorg" this will set it as a default installation
[18:31] <jonathonf> s/-phight/-phigh/
[18:32] <odinsbane> Sarvatt: I tried that that left me with a blank screen in either kernel
[18:33] <odinsbane> how about fglrx 8.7 does that work with the .31 kernels?
[18:33] <Sarvatt> nope ati still only officially supports 2.6.28
[18:33] <Sarvatt> did you purge fglrx before you did it odinsbane?
[18:33] <Sarvatt> because if any of fglrx is still installed its diverting stuff
[18:33] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, indeed it boots with the kernel from the ppa
[18:34] <diverse_izzue> is this the new stack with DRI2 support?
[18:34] <Sarvatt> thats good to hear, i wonder why radeon.modeset=1 isnt getting passed for you
[18:34]  * BUGabundo points Sarvatt to email inbox
[18:34] <Sarvatt> yeah
[18:34] <BUGabundo> :)
[18:34] <Sarvatt> i told ya the site to get the stuff BUGabundo! :D
[18:34] <diverse_izzue> i cannot playback movies anymore. is that a problem with Xv?
[18:34] <odinsbane> Savart I just purged fglrx I haven't done anything after that.
[18:34] <BUGabundo> bad memory
[18:34] <BUGabundo> plus a crashing pidgin
[18:34] <BUGabundo> no help :(
[18:35] <Sarvatt> diverse_izzue: sorry, that yeah was in response to you
[18:36] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, no problem, i figured. What's the problem with video playback?
[18:37] <Sarvatt> diverse_izzue: is it possible you're hitting escape after editing the grub command line in the menu instead of the boot button? its different in grub2, took me awhile to figure that out
[18:37] <Sarvatt> i have no idea about that
[18:37] <Sarvatt> havent heard any issues with it
[18:37] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, i was editing the line and then pressing Ctrl-X to boot
[18:37] <Sarvatt> its probably people expecting overlay video to be there when theres only textured video support in dri2
[18:37] <Sarvatt> control-x? i just press x here
[18:38] <diverse_izzue> it says control-x for me, and it indeed boots if i press that...
[18:38] <Sarvatt> ah i could be remembering wrong i guess
[18:39] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, Video playback not working might be a pulseaudio issue - i cannot play music either
[18:39] <Sarvatt> if anything add something like enable_mtrr_cleanup then cat /proc/cmdline after it boots to see if it really picked it up
[18:40] <Sarvatt> or add it to /etc/default/grub then sudo update-grub2 and see if that works with radeon.modeset=1
[18:40] <spO> sarvatt, where are the patches so you can install fglrx on kernels greater than 2.6.28
[18:40] <spO> such as kernel 2.6.30
[18:40] <Sarvatt> apt-get source fglrx-installer
[18:40] <spO> thanks
[18:41] <Sarvatt> might be in a bzr branch somewhere, i dunno
[18:42] <Sarvatt> the fglrx-installer package should work fine if you install a 2.6.30 kernel though
[18:42] <diverse_izzue> Sarvatt, when adding to /etc/default/grub, then it's GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT that i have to adapt i reckon?
[18:42] <Sarvatt> yeah
[18:42] <Sarvatt> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.modeset=1"
[18:43] <Sarvatt> gotta disappear again, hope ya get it all worked out
[18:44] <Sarvatt> oh spO: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer
[18:45] <Sarvatt> theres a ppa with a patch to make fglrx work on 2.6.31, but the reason the patch didnt get added is bacause it basically makes the entire i2c code path not work because its not correct
[18:47] <odinsbane> Okay I think I got the radeon drivers up and running
[18:53] <odinsbane> so now what should I do to get fglrx to work again? ... it sounds like I should get a different kernel?  Or install fglrx 8.632 or ...just wait?
[18:55] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: do you think that DKMS fail to build because that version is not compatible with your kernel?
[18:57] <odinsbane> EagleScreen: I"ve got no clue, maybe the error is still in my logs somewhere?
[18:57] <EagleScreen> i dont know..
[18:58] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: install module-assistant package, and later run "sudo m-a prepare,update", it will prepare your system for build kernel modules
[18:59] <EagleScreen> and close package manager before running "sudo m-a prepare,update"
[19:04] <odinsbane> EagleScreen: then go ahead and install the xorg-video-fglrx?
[19:05] <EagleScreen> yes
[19:05] <EagleScreen> after that install the two packages: xorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-kernel-source
[19:06] <EagleScreen> i think fglrx-kernel-source only provides 3D accel
[19:07] <ellar> hello, there is a live cd image at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/, but how shall i burn this 714M file to CD?
[19:08] <EagleScreen> try overburnings, or try to burn in a DVD
[19:09] <odinsbane> ok, where should I paste the errors?
[19:09] <ellar> hmm ok looking for overburn. But for the next released it would be better if it was <700M
[19:10] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: in pastebin
[19:11] <EagleScreen> paste.ubuntu.com
[19:11] <arand> ellar: dailies do get oversized every now and then, I tend to always use DVD-RW
[19:12] <bjsnider> the kernel-source package is automatically installed with fglrx and is necessary to build the module into the kernel
[19:14] <odinsbane> http://paste.ubuntu.com/250439/
[19:15] <odinsbane> It looks like a bug, it could be because of the new gcc?
[19:15] <bjsnider> lok at the make log
[19:15] <bjsnider> /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.632/build/
[19:16] <odinsbane> bjsnider: I included it in the paste
[19:18] <bjsnider> does it build on an earlier kernel?
[19:18] <odinsbane> bjsnider: it used to build with jaunty
[19:18] <lfaraone> Hey, can someone assist me in debugging bug 409001? I don't think this is a problem in the package. as xcb_io.c isn't part of python-gasp.
[19:18] <odinsbane> so I suppose it was .28
[19:18] <bjsnider> try installing the 2.6.28 kernel with the headers package and see if dkms can build it
[19:19] <bjsnider> you mean in karmic?
[19:19] <EagleScreen> this module can be uncompatible with 2.6.31
[19:19] <bjsnider> you installed it in karmic with 2.6.28?
[19:19] <odinsbane> bjsnider: I installed it in jaunty with 2.6.28
[19:19] <odinsbane> bjsnider: I thought maybe it was an older kernel.
[19:20] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: try using another older kernel
[19:20] <bjsnider> alright, manually install an older kernel with the headers package
[19:20] <odinsbane> bjsnider: karmic left me with two kernals .28 and .31
[19:20] <bjsnider> i'm 99% certain that this thing isn't compatible with the new kernel
[19:21] <bjsnider> yes but do you still havet he kernel-headers for the .28 kernel?
[19:21] <odinsbane> so how do I build this against .28, just reboot into .28
[19:21] <bjsnider> dkms will built for all installed kernels as long as the headers package is installed
[19:23] <EagleScreen> there is a ppa with 2.6.30 and also 2.6.28 i jaunty (i think it is instalable in karmic)
[19:26] <odinsbane> I can't get the headers for 2.6.28-13 from karmic
[19:29] <bjsnider> odinsbane, i386 or amd64?
[19:30] <odinsbane> amd64
[19:30] <EagleScreen> odinsbane: enable a moment jaunty repository, install 2.6.28 version, reboot in that kernel, run "sudo m-a prepare,update" and disable jaunty repository
[19:31] <bjsnider> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.28-13_2.6.28-13.45_all.deb
[19:33] <odinsbane> so after I install these headers should I reboo to tha kernel?
[19:33] <bjsnider> no
[19:33] <bjsnider> reinstall fglrx and see if it builds first
[19:34] <bjsnider> although dkms may try to build it as soon as the headers package goes in
[19:35] <odinsbane> okay I tried uninstalling xorg-driver-fglrx and reinstalling it,and I dn't get any errors.  but it also didn't mntion and building.
[19:35] <bjsnider> try running dkms status
[19:36] <odinsbane> it says fglrx 8.632 added
[19:36] <bjsnider> to which kernel?
[19:36] <odinsbane> just says added doesn't mention a kernel
[19:37] <bjsnider> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.28-13-generic_2.6.28-13.45_amd64.deb
[19:37] <EagleScreen> added is not the same than installed, right?
[19:37] <bjsnider> install that one too
[19:37] <bjsnider> there's added, then built, then installed
[19:37] <bjsnider> installed is what you want to see
[19:39] <odinsbane> okay now it is trying to install it for the new kernel headers
[19:40] <odinsbane> looks good for the .28 kernel, claims to be installed
[19:40] <bjsnider> then i guess it isn't compatible with .31
[19:40] <bjsnider> that's pretty much objectively proven at this point
[19:41] <bjsnider> you'll have to make sure fglrx is in xorg.conf before you reboot
[19:41] <EagleScreen> ATI will release a new version compatible wuth 2.6.31 some day, or any patch
[19:41] <bjsnider> yeah, the day before karmic is released
[19:41] <odinsbane> There is a new fglrx 8.7
[19:49] <odinsbane> I suppose it looks like 9.7 is the lastest fglrx driver
[19:49] <oOarthurOo> Anyone else in here using Empathy for the chatting?
[20:07] <DanaG> oh yeah, somebody has a PPA with 9.7 patched for 2.6.31.
[20:07] <DanaG> 2:8.632-0ubuntu2~dinxter2
[20:09] <Laney> Does anyone have a working PTP device and want to test something in f-spot 0.6.0 for me?
[20:09] <Laney> preview debs available for the brave
[20:22] <coordinador> hey
[20:22] <BUGabundo> hey coordinador
[20:22] <coordinador> sometimes my sistem goes to blank screen and i have to move the mouse or press a key to back to normal, this happen even when im typing
[20:23] <bjsnider> sounds like a screensaver to me
[20:23] <BUGabundo> known bug
[20:23] <BUGabundo> yofel usually has that on hand
[20:23] <coordinador> is there any solution? my system is alpha3 updated yesterday at night
[20:24] <BUGabundo> bug still opened
[20:25] <coordinador> hum i see, ok, thanks
[20:25] <diverse_izzue> BUGabundo, what's the bug #? i experience it also
[20:25] <BUGabundo> no idea
[20:25] <BUGabundo> check LP
[20:25] <coordinador> BUGabundo,  which is your main language?
[20:25] <BUGabundo> don't have it here with me
[20:25] <BUGabundo> PT
[20:25] <coordinador> portugues?
[20:25] <coordinador> humm i imagined
[20:25] <coordinador> :)
[20:26] <BUGabundo> bug 401441
[20:26] <BUGabundo> coordinador: why?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> diverse_izzue: coordinador ^^^^^
[20:27] <coordinador> because your nick
[20:28] <BUGabundo> ok I'll say it again: WHY?
[20:28] <coordinador> vagabundo
[20:28] <coordinador> haha
[20:28] <coordinador> is not an english word
[20:28] <coordinador> may be spanish or portugues
[20:31] <BUGabundo> not even related
[20:32] <EagleScreen> vagabundo is spanish
[20:33] <connex> Hi, I have sound issues.
[20:35] <BUGabundo> connex: hi
[20:35] <BUGabundo> connex: who hasn't ?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:36] <EagleScreen> i haven't sound issues
[20:36] <connex> Me, one boot earlier :)
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ok, BUGabundo, I'm piggy backing on a neighbour's unsecured wifi network .. ( bjsnider , btw it's an eastlink connection )..no longer getting any medibunti connect errors
[20:37] <BluesKaj> medibuntu
[20:37] <bjsnider> hahaaa
[20:38] <BluesKaj> so I'm bypassing my router
[20:38] <bjsnider> i'll be laughing about that for the next few days
[20:38] <bjsnider> what kind of router is that again?
[20:38] <bjsnider> i don't recall if you said earlier
[20:39] <BluesKaj> it's only the medibuntu repos that doesn't connect when I use my router , all the others are fine
[20:39] <BluesKaj> 2Wire router
[20:39] <bjsnider> ugh
[20:39] <crashsystems> I have sound on my laptop, but not through headphones (I've checked the headphone volume level), and my speakers randomly make popping sounds. Anyone know which bug number(s) this might be?
[20:39] <BluesKaj> oh cmon bjsnider , the speed streams were worse
[20:41] <debfx> something broke the auto-detection of the virtualbox video driver :(
[20:41] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, using the opendns servers?
[20:42] <debfx> is there an easy way to debug the xserver driver detection?
[20:42] <BluesKaj> dunno
[20:42] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I have trouble reaching an IRC server on a neighbours wifi
[20:42] <BUGabundo> the entire ISP has trouble with it
[20:42] <BUGabundo> so my bet, its not your router, but your ISP with a bad routing
[20:42] <BluesKaj> i have np with irc on my router , np on this guy wifi either
[20:43] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: right you have your gain above 100%
[20:43] <bjsnider> sympatico roolz though
[20:43] <connex> Will anyone help me with the sound?
[20:43] <BUGabundo> install pavucontrol and fix those levels crashsystems
[20:43] <crashsystems> ok
[20:43] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, what open dns servers ?
[20:43] <BUGabundo> connex: if you tells what it is, maybe
[20:44] <connex> When I try to run alsamixer i get : alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[20:45] <connex> I'll update + upgrade and see if it is still troublesome
[20:46] <crashsystems> BUGabundo: I installed pavucontrol and have it open, but I'm not seeing anything above 100%
[20:46] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you can bypass bell's dns server and use opendns instead in your router settings
[20:47] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, they're superior servers. perhaps that might fix the problem
[20:47] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: is the app that causes clicks playing?
[20:48] <crashsystems> It's Pidgin that does that, whenever someone logs on/off
[20:48] <BUGabundo> connex: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[20:48] <crashsystems> If I set Output Devices to "Analog Headphones," I get audio output to my headphones
[20:48] <BUGabundo> dinner bbl
[20:49] <connex> BUGabundo, what's safe-upgrade different from upgrade?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> ok bjsnider , I'll look into that ...bbl
[20:50] <crashsystems> so with pavucontrol it seems that I can manually switch between speakers and headphones, but it will not do it automatically
[20:52] <mnemo> anyone else seeing weird keyboard bygs in karmic since the last week or so?  my keyboard seems to be randomly typing BACKSPACE, PAGEDOWN and other keys every now and then in all apps...  can CAPS turns on itself randomly
[21:01] <creative1412> Peace , guys is there a way to downgrade to 9.04 cuz some of my apps is not prepred for karamic
[21:02] <coz_> is the intel 82865g  not supported in karmic?  just install karmic on an old dell to test the system for someone
[21:03] <creative1412>  guys is there a way to downgrade to 9.04 cuz some of my apps is not prepred for karamic
[21:04] <BluesKaj> ok , bjsnider the opendns seems to be working , i followed the instructions for setting up opendns on my router and it seems to be fine. I wonder if it will hold at the next reboot
[21:04] <EagleScreen> creative1412: reinstalling kubuntu 9.04 is the most effective
[21:05] <creative1412> EagleScreen: i am from egypt an the internet here NASTY
[21:05] <BluesKaj> well, I'm gonna check
[21:07] <EagleScreen> creative1412: it is impossible to downgrade without downloading the old system, unless you already have Kubuntu 9.04 CD
[21:07] <creative1412> EagleScreen: i have the iso
[21:08] <EagleScreen> your best choice is to burn the iso and do a clean install of 9.04, if you keep your /home partition, you won't loose your personal files or settings
[21:09] <creative1412> EagleScreen: Aegisub is making me to return to my old micro$oftian habits !
[21:10] <EagleScreen> Aegisut?
[21:11] <creative1412> EagleScreen: Aegisub
[21:12] <creative1412> EagleScreen: http://www.malakith.net/aegiwiki/Main_Page
[21:13] <EagleScreen> i read that it can be used in ubuntu
[21:13] <creative1412> EagleScreen: yes but in 9.04 not 9.10
[21:13] <EagleScreen> why?
[21:14] <creative1412> EagleScreen: it has his own issus with linux :D
[21:14] <creative1412> EagleScreen: it was orignally for OSX and Windows and you can find the exe and the dmg
[21:14] <creative1412> some how for one year they mintaind linux
[21:15] <creative1412> but with no $$ support they discontaind the ubuntu repo
[21:15] <creative1412> and the build option is available
[21:15] <EagleScreen> there must be packages for Debian or Ubuntu
[21:16] <creative1412> there was one mouth ago
[21:16] <creative1412> but you can say it disapperd :D
[21:16] <creative1412> it's all about $$
[21:17] <ethana2> I'm trying to install 9.10 on a 4 GB flash drive, but every time I run out of room and it becomes useless
[21:17] <ethana2> If I want the most room for installing system files, what should I tell USB creator?
[21:17] <connex> Still the sound doesn't work
[21:18] <creative1412> EagleScreen: the proplem is i did compiled it and installed it but it has ffmpeg issus
[21:18] <ethana2> store documents and settings in extra space?
[21:18] <ethana2> if so, how much?  does it matter?
[21:18] <creative1412> EagleScreen: i did used the svn for it but no way
[21:18] <DanaG> Hmm, if you want to install on a USB flash drive, boot the livecd and just plain install it -- that should work better.
[21:19] <creative1412> EagleScreen: sorry for the bad English :D
[21:19] <EagleScreen> creative1412: look for  Aegisub ppa's in Launchpad
[21:19] <creative1412> EagleScreen: Empty
[21:20] <ethana2> DanaG: really?
[21:20] <ethana2> hmm
[21:20] <ethana2> that would make sense I guess
[21:20] <DanaG> yeah.  just make sure to tell it to put the boot loader on the MBR of that drive.
[21:20] <BUGabundo> connex: well its "safer" LOL
[21:20] <DanaG> I just wish Ubuntu would put the ricoh_mmc, sdhci, and sdhci-pci drivers in ithe initramfs by default.
[21:21] <BUGabundo> basicly it deals with dependency instead of just forcing the upgrade
[21:21] <connex> BUGabundo, Sound isn't working yet.
[21:21] <DanaG> Then I could use a spare 4-gig SDHC card I have, for that.
[21:21] <ethana2> DanaG: ohhh
[21:21] <ethana2> you're saying you can't boot off an SD card
[21:21] <ethana2> because it doesn't include SD card reader drivers in the kernel?
[21:21] <DanaG> Not with a mere usb-creator.
[21:21] <ethana2> DanaG: interesting.
[21:21] <DanaG> Yeah.  I have to install, chroot, and rebuild initramfs with the names added to modules.
[21:22] <ethana2> a bootable SD card would be pretty awesome.
[21:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I tried installing ubiquity on an already-installed system.... didn't work.  Just crashed, mysteriously.
[21:22] <BUGabundo> EagleScreen: there is no need to have /home on a diff partition since HARDY
[21:22] <EagleScreen> creative1412: look for here https://launchpad.net/~skoruppa/+archive/ppa
[21:22] <EagleScreen> what do u mean BUGabundo?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> EagleScreen: the installer can remove old system and install the new one
[21:23] <BUGabundo> without touching the user files
[21:23] <BUGabundo> IF the user doesn't select to FORMAT the disc
[21:23] <BUGabundo> so you  have a single volume
[21:23] <creative1412> EagleScreen: if you have windows try the program it's very cool for fansupping am using it for 2 years
[21:24] <creative1412> EagleScreen: the ppa has the libass but not aegisub
[21:24] <creative1412> EagleScreen: it's too old version of libass too
[21:25] <EagleScreen> use win version under wine doesnt work?
[21:25] <creative1412> EagleScreen: i use arabic and wine doesn't support BIDI languges :D
[21:25] <shapr> DanaG: Build your own?
[21:25] <shapr> ah
[21:26] <DanaG> Basically, I'll have to boot the livecd to install to the SDHC card.
[21:27] <creative1412> EagleScreen: am rebooting for 9.04
[21:27] <DanaG> Though, frankly, my sdhc reader is dog-slow -- 10 to 15 megabytes per second, on a card that can do 25 in a different reader.
[21:27] <shapr> class 6 card?
[21:27] <DanaG> waitaminute..
[21:28] <DanaG> it's a card that does 15... the reader does more like 8.
[21:28] <DanaG> I'm misremembering.
[21:28] <DanaG> Oh, I see... I'm remembering a different card I had, that I accidentally broke: it had the fold-out USB plug, where it'd do 25.
[21:28] <DanaG> Oh, and my reader defaults to PIO mode.  ugh.
[21:36] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, are there any disadvantages to opendns ?
[21:37] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it slowly kills you, like alcohol abuse
[21:37] <bjsnider> are you able to get to medibuntu now?
[21:37] <BluesKaj> yes
[21:37] <bjsnider> so bell's DNS servers are, what's the word?
[21:38] <BluesKaj> can't reapeat that here :)
[21:40] <dupondje> hellow :)
[21:41] <BluesKaj> so I am being rediredted to opendns from their ISP server and bypassing their dns server ...is that correct ?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> correction : my ISP server
[21:41] <bjsnider> whenever you do a dns lookup, you go there instead of bell's excellent servers
[21:42] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: no disavanges that I know except the capturing the quick search on google
[21:42] <BluesKaj> how do they manage to keep it free for users ?
[21:42] <bjsnider> i'm not their FAQ
[21:42] <BluesKaj> hehe
[21:43] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: strange that you can dig the address
[21:43] <bjsnider> no, it's very simple. most ISP DNS servers are <insert unmentionable word>
[21:43]  * BluesKaj wonders if the ISP dns is blocking medibuntu
[21:44] <bjsnider> there's a reason opendns is so popular
[21:44] <BluesKaj> well bjsnider , thx for the tip , setting it up was relatively painless too
[21:45] <bjsnider> most ISP mail is garbage too
[21:46] <BUGabundo> true
[21:48] <BluesKaj> yeah bell is trying to fool their customers who still use sympatico/bell mail that they are actually hosting the service when it's actually hotmail that hosts the servers (pophm) I'm still on pop1 and pop3
[21:49] <bjsnider> it would be better if hotmail did host it
[21:49] <bjsnider> hotmail is at least reliable
[21:49] <BluesKaj> altho i suspect due to the speed that HM is prolly hosting all of it now
[21:51] <BluesKaj> bell finally stopped asking users to use IE on their site
[21:51] <BUGabundo> yay
[21:51] <bjsnider> oh, at least there's that
[21:57] <BluesKaj> uhoh, opendns is also not connecting to medibuntu  ...just checked
[22:00] <BUGabundo> haahahahahaha
[22:00] <BluesKaj> hmm aptitude wont connect , but apt-get does ...been trying keep to aptitude due to it's reputation for superior dependency performance
[22:01] <BluesKaj> seems intermittent for both aptitude and apt-get
[22:02] <BluesKaj> now
[22:02] <aboSamoor> ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package" is not this weird ?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> no one to help with chromium :(
[22:03] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: not weird
[22:03] <BUGabundo> you have a PPA
[22:04] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: apt-cache policy gnome-power-manager | pastebinit
[22:04] <jdobrien> I can't remember the command to upgrade to karmic, it's pretty sad seing that I already upgraded one of my computers
[22:04] <coz_> hey guys just downloaded karmic daily build and it is  711.9 megs   need overburn!   this isnt going to be the norm right?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> jdobrien: update-manager -d
[22:04] <jdobrien> BUGabundo: thanks
[22:04] <jonathonf> coz_: just burn it to a dvd+r
[22:05] <BUGabundo> coz_: no one is looking at daily images size
[22:05] <BUGabundo> burn a dvd or better yet put it on an USB Key
[22:05] <coz_> BUGabundo,  ok  no biggie  just surprised
[22:05] <coz_> I will try the overburn first
[22:05] <BUGabundo> coz_: can you imagine how much work goes to get an image to fill just the CD size?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> don't
[22:05] <BUGabundo> don't risk it
[22:06] <coz_> BUGabundo,  honest no big deal I am just testing out a machine here  its not for anything permanent installation or testing of karmic :)
[22:06] <spO> how do i install fglrx-installer  ?
[22:07]  * aboSamoor BUGabundo is always teaching aboSamoor nice tricks, thanks for the pastebinit ;)
[22:07] <BUGabundo> coz_: at least test both ISO and burned image
[22:07] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, http://pastebin.com/f3462fee7
[22:07] <spO> i mean i can use apt-get , but that tries to get an outdated driver
[22:07] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: :)
[22:07] <spO> can you use apt-get with a local tar.gz file?
[22:07] <coz_> BUGabundo,  I will on my system ehwn I have the time  ...as I said this is just to test out a machine    its nothing permanent
[22:07] <BUGabundo>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[22:07] <coz_> BUGabundo,  thanks
[22:07] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: ^^^^^
[22:08] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: downgrade to system version, reboot, try to reproduce, file a bug and inform mvo or pitty of it
[22:10] <BUGabundo> FYI we are now going with gnome-bluetooth. please spread the word. thanks. EOF
[22:12] <spO> some karmic packages like ati/fglrx installer , i cannot install via apt-get source fglrx-installer  because it gets the current/stable version rather than the karmic version
[22:13] <BUGabundo>  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-bluetooth-stack
[22:15] <dupondje> hmzzzzzzzzzz :)
[22:16] <dupondje> was watching youtube movie
[22:16] <spO> i have fglrx installer source, but i don't knwo what to do with it
[22:16] <dupondje> suddenly everything locked :s
[22:16] <dupondje> wth!
[22:16] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, are you trying chromium ?
[22:16] <spO> i want to cry because i am so frustrated
[22:17] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: let me phrase it like this: is there anything I'm not testing?
[22:17] <bjsnider> what locked?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: prob X
[22:17] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, dunno , is there ? :)
[22:18] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, this gpm package was slipped by ubuntu-desktop ppa, I think I have to be more careful next time.
[22:18]  * aboSamoor does not like restarting :'(
[22:20] <dupondje> pulseaudio is kinda broken imo :s
[22:24] <spO> what is a .dsc file?
[22:25] <bjsnider> spO, what the bleep are you trying to do?
[22:26] <spO> i am trying to install ati drivers on a custom kernel
[22:27] <spO> i found a page to help me, http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#src  ,  i just want to know what dsc is
[22:27] <bjsnider> it sounds to me like you're in over your head
[22:27] <spO> are you trying to insult me?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> guys calm down
[22:28] <BUGabundo> please observe the CoC
[22:28] <bjsnider> no, but you can't go from 0 to 100 without hitting 50 first
[22:30] <ikonia> gents, custom kernels are not supported
[22:31] <ikonia> this channel is for karmic discussion/development only, custom kernels are your own project
[22:33] <bjsnider> i think the supplied kernels are pretty good
[22:36] <kklimonda> hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to single_cmd mode: <- huh..
[22:38] <spO> what is bazaar ?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> !bazaar
[22:38] <BUGabundo> !bzr
[22:38] <andresmujica> bugabundo: hey ya!
[22:38] <BUGabundo> sp0 there you go
[22:38] <BUGabundo> hey andresmujica. missing are we ?
[22:38] <dupondje> Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating.
[22:38] <dupondje> Hard CPU time limit exhausted, terminating forcibly.
[22:38] <dupondje> Afgebroken (core dumped)
[22:38] <dupondje> pulseaudio ?... ;)
[22:39] <BUGabundo> pulse
[22:39] <andresmujica> you'll love this bug (or whatever it is called)...  have you noticed the multiple ways of volume control that are available in Ubuntu (not just Karmic) with pulseaudio and companions ?
[22:39] <spO> bazaar is similar to apt-get i guess
[22:39] <andresmujica> yesterday my laptop's left speaker exploded....
[22:40] <bjsnider> wha?
[22:40] <bjsnider> literally?
[22:40] <bjsnider> you cannot be serious
[22:40] <andresmujica> one mute over there, rhythmbox with high volume, pavucontrol at 70%.. without noticing it
[22:40] <andresmujica> unmuted
[22:40] <andresmujica> BAAAMM
[22:40] <andresmujica> try to mute all over...
[22:40] <andresmujica> and after that the left channel  sounded awful...
[22:41] <BUGabundo> a andresmujica are you sure pavu had all sources at 70?
[22:41] <andresmujica> disassembled.. tested.. no choice.  left speaker died..
[22:41] <BUGabundo> I got mine once at 200%
[22:41] <bjsnider> wow
[22:41] <andresmujica> bugabundo: that's the thing.  there're sooo many ways to control volume.. one colliding with another..
[22:42] <andresmujica> i cannot tell if it was at 70%.. the fact is that my left speaker died.. :(
[22:42] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:42] <BUGabundo> yeah mine also came close to that
[22:42] <BUGabundo> now I keep them below 90%
[22:43] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: also see paman
[22:43] <andresmujica> obviously my hands were involved (i was the one who changed sound volume).   but i'm not happy at all..
[22:43] <BUGabundo> check properties
[22:43] <BUGabundo> to see if any gain is above 100%
[22:43] <bjsnider> i think mr. chen might be interested to know that
[22:43] <BUGabundo> one source was at 99999%
[22:43] <BUGabundo> there's a reason why we have a disclaimer :)
[22:44] <andresmujica> yeap, i'd played with it...    it's potentially dangerous...
[22:45] <BUGabundo> it is
[22:45] <dupondje> bug reported on crashing pulseaudio ?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> how *very* low dbs sources I increase them there
[22:45] <BUGabundo> but I have to make sure nothing else is or will be playing
[22:45] <BUGabundo> risking me getting death
[22:47] <andresmujica> i use paman for mic gain... but.. oh boy i don't want to kill the other speaker... i'm thinking about the bug report.. but it's really a mess i don't know where to start...
[22:47] <andresmujica> it's kinda gui thing.. too many volume controls can lead to potentially dangerous settings
[22:47] <BUGabundo> paman?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> that's overkill
[22:47] <BUGabundo> pavu does it good enough
[22:48] <dtchen> pavucontrol and the gnome control center applet do the same
[22:49] <BUGabundo> hey dtchen
[22:49] <dtchen> they're sufficiently equal in functionality that pavucontrol will go away by karmic+1
[22:49] <andresmujica> bugabundo: not with Jaunty.  but to be honest my speaker dying wasn't caused by paman.  .. it was the multiple settings available
[22:49] <BUGabundo> just upside down one of the other dtchen
[22:49] <andresmujica> hi daniel
[22:49] <dtchen> dupondje: current karmic? (meaning, updated today)
[22:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I never got why pavu lists devices in a sort inverted from the one from gnome
[22:50] <andresmujica> there's one thing missing with gnome volume control, the ability to redirect audio output/input from applications to different devices.
[22:50] <dupondje> dtchen: yep
[22:50] <dupondje> it started with latest pulseaudio update
[22:50] <dupondje> crashes like every 3 minutes :s
[22:52] <dtchen> dupondje: try appending the following to /etc/security/limits.conf, and killall pulseaudio
[22:52] <dtchen> @audio           -       rtprio          99
[22:52] <dtchen> @audio           -       nice            -19
[22:52] <dtchen> @audio           -       memlock         unlimited
[22:54] <dupondje> ok done, running pulse with debug ;)
[22:54] <dupondje> lets see
[22:56] <dupondje> its still alive :)
[22:57] <BUGabundo> murphy law
[22:57] <BUGabundo> it only happens when you are not looking for it
[22:57] <dupondje> héhé :)
[22:57] <dupondje> or the changed in limits.conf worked ... ;)
[22:58]  * aboSamoor is harvesting bugs
[22:58] <dupondje> aboSamoor: kill them !
[22:58] <dupondje> :)
[22:59] <aboSamoor> dupondje, I think who created them are more efficient ;)
[22:59] <dupondje> bah
[22:59] <dupondje> still not crashed ;)
[22:59] <dupondje> héhé
[23:00] <andresmujica> put some pressure on it.  load your system.
[23:01] <dupondje> ok dtchen think it works smooth now :p
[23:02] <dtchen> right, it should.
[23:02] <dtchen> it's running as SCHED_RR
[23:03] <dtchen> those changes are similar to what rtkit will do once we merge the linux patch
[23:03] <coordinador> malditos
[23:03] <dupondje> anyway cool it works now :D
[23:03] <dupondje> thx
[23:04] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 <- somebody want to kill this bug ? ;)
[23:08] <aboSamoor> dtchen, totem can not play audio after PA, while VLC does not have any problem to play audio
[23:08] <aboSamoor> after killing PA*
[23:13] <micahg> has anyone tried the karmic intel drivers with jaunty?
[23:14] <dupondje> eeeeeeeeeeeeek
[23:14] <dupondje> dtchen:  :p
[23:14] <dupondje> D: protocol-native.c: Underrun on 'ALSA Playback', 0 bytes in queue.
[23:14] <dupondje> D: alsa-sink.c: Wakeup from ALSA!
[23:14] <dupondje> Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating.
[23:14] <dupondje> Hard CPU time limit exhausted, terminating forcibly.
[23:14] <dupondje> Afgebroken (core dumped)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> micahg: why would you do that?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> they are tied to kernel
[23:15] <BUGabundo> dupondje: ahahahaha
[23:15] <micahg> well, I can't get > 2048x2048 on Jaunty
[23:15] <BUGabundo> loved the sound effects too
[23:15] <micahg> I was hoping newer drivers might help
[23:15] <BUGabundo> micahg: then try the X ppa
[23:15] <micahg> ah
[23:17] <dtchen> dupondje: you can disable the cpu limit check
[23:17] <dupondje> how sweethart :)
[23:17] <dtchen> dupondje: which audio driver are you using? whatever it is, your sound hardware blows
[23:18] <dupondje> Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
[23:18] <dupondje> 	Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
[23:18] <dtchen> dupondje: edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[23:18] <dupondje> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[23:19] <bjsnider> delightful audio chip
[23:19] <BUGabundo> heh
[23:19] <BUGabundo> s/delightful/buggy/
[23:21] <bjsnider> i think i prefer my audigy2
[23:21] <dupondje> well its laptop ... :D
[23:21] <dtchen> that's totally not useful. you want to provide _at least_ lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13] ; cat /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[23:22] <dtchen> alternately, use the script we created (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh) or ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:22] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are we going to have apport alias? aka $ ubuntu-bug audio ?
[23:22] <dupondje> i'll be happy to help :)
[23:23] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i thought pitti was working on that (because i certainly haven't been)
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I still doesn't work AFAIK
[23:24] <BUGabundo> but dupondje can test it for us :)
[23:24] <Twigathy> 23:21 < bjsnider> i think i prefer my audigy2 <-- ditto, it works nicely. Even passes through DTS/Dolby to my amp nicely in linux ;)
[23:24] <dupondje> Your ALSA information is located at
[23:24] <dupondje> lol :p
[23:24] <bjsnider> yeah, it does here too
[23:25] <dtchen> bjsnider: the audigy2 is a POS, too. its only redeeming factor is that it isn't HDA.
[23:25] <bjsnider> hahahaaa
[23:25] <BUGabundo> POS ???
[23:25] <bjsnider> dtchen, elighten me, sir. what is not a POS?
[23:25] <dupondje> dtchen: what do I need to use as bug title for the ubuntu-bug ?
[23:25] <dtchen> and yes, i'm referring to the audigy2 as a family despite it not being one; it's really poor marketing on the part of Creative, because there's a wide range of hardware badged under "audigy 2"
[23:26] <dtchen> bjsnider: anything professional-grade, e.g., M-Audio
[23:26] <bjsnider> good linux drivers?
[23:26] <dtchen> yes
[23:26] <dtchen> anything driven by ice1712 and ice1724 doesn't suck
[23:26] <dtchen> anything driven by ca0106 and emu10k1 does
[23:27] <bjsnider> i dunno, this card works very well
[23:27] <dtchen> anything driven by intel8x0, via82xx, or hda-intel sucks
[23:27] <bjsnider> i have bass/treble, 3d control, passthrough
[23:27] <bjsnider> sounds great compared to the onboard chip
[23:27]  * Twigathy doesn't fiddle with bass/treble ever :o
[23:27] <dtchen> your audigy2 forcibly resamples everything to 48000 hZ
[23:27] <dtchen> Hz, even
[23:28] <bjsnider> in linux?
[23:28] <Twigathy> in *
[23:28] <BluesKaj> Creative makes nice desktop speakers , I have a pr of the Gigaworks T-40s ...very nice as far as pc spkrs go
[23:28] <dtchen> no, it's done by the hardware itself. it doesn't matter if it was 44.1 KHz or 96 KHz, too bad
[23:28] <bjsnider> i don't think so
[23:28] <bjsnider> not on passthrough it doesn't
[23:29] <bjsnider> maybe analog
[23:29] <dtchen> bjsnider: on passthrough it does not, no
[23:29] <dtchen> on passthrough you only have to worry about shielding and other signal degradation
[23:29] <dupondje> dtchen: what do I need to report now ? the alsa-info.sh doesn't work it seems
[23:29] <bjsnider> if it degrades it won;'t work
[23:29] <bjsnider> if it's working, it hasn't degraded
[23:30] <dtchen> bjsnider: why do you think we (as driver people) hate Creative products?
[23:30] <bjsnider> i don't know
[23:30] <bjsnider> it's an impossible question to answer, since i never knew you hated creative products
[23:30] <dtchen> Creative has a storied history of selling shite hardware under obfuscated names
[23:31] <bjsnider> yes but the x-fi chip isn't shite
[23:31] <dtchen> the Audigy 2 family includes several cards that are severely crippled to the point of being useless
[23:31] <bjsnider> otherwise auzentech wouldn't be using it
[23:31] <dtchen> X-Fi is a badge, just like Audigy 2
[23:31] <bjsnider> this is a zs
[23:31] <dtchen> there are two X-Fis driven by ca0106
[23:31] <dtchen> they are no less crappy than the Audigy LS or Audigy 2 using the same driver
[23:31] <bjsnider> no, i'm talking about the x-fi chip itself, not the card
[23:32] <dtchen> the EMU is a good chip
[23:32] <bjsnider> that runs the old sblive card, right?
[23:32] <dtchen> no
[23:32] <BUGabundo> dupondje: did you chmod it to 777»
[23:32] <BUGabundo> ?
[23:32] <Trewas> last time I had nicely working audio in linux was sblive (emu10k1) with OSS; everything worked from hw mixing to passthrough... since then audio in linux has been steadily going worse and worse :/
[23:32] <dtchen> the EMU10k1, EMU10k1x, and EMU10k2 are utter crap
[23:33] <bjsnider> well, if you say so. they were well here
[23:33] <dtchen> all of those chips forcibly resample to 48 KHz whether you want it to
[23:33] <bjsnider> why is that a bad thing?
[23:33] <dtchen> dupondje: just use ubuntu-bug alsa-base, please
[23:33] <dtchen> bjsnider: do you like audio artifacts?
[23:33] <bjsnider> no, i do not
[23:34] <dtchen> then it should be straightforward why resampling 44.1 KHz source at 48 KHz is bad
[23:34] <bjsnider> dtchen, what card are you using right now?
[23:34] <dtchen> M-Audio Transit
[23:35] <Trewas> dtchen: at least they can play several sounds at the same time (without easily heard artifacts), unlike HDA I currently have
[23:35] <dupondje> dtchen: and what as bug title ?
[23:35] <bjsnider> i'm scared to death of buying any new audio cards
[23:35] <dtchen> bjsnider: then don't buy any new cards; they're all shite
[23:35] <dtchen> dupondje: doesn't matter
[23:35] <bjsnider> for fear that i'll  get it back here and it will be driverless on linux
[23:35] <dtchen> dupondje: just tell me the bug report #
[23:35] <dtchen> Trewas: that's not exactly a positive thing
[23:35] <bjsnider> they're _all_ shite
[23:37] <Trewas> dtchen: no? isn't software mixing a major point behind pulseaudio etc (why do it if most of the hardware supported it)?
[23:37] <dupondje> dtchen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/411183
[23:37] <dtchen> Trewas: no, that's _not_ the point of PA
[23:37] <Trewas> dtchen: I said _a_ point :)
[23:37] <dtchen> Trewas: the point of PA is to be able to easily control every single audio stream
[23:37] <dtchen> Trewas: no, it's not even a selling point of PA
[23:38] <dtchen> (ALSA itself already does that)
[23:38] <bjsnider> dtchen, you're using a USB audio device?
[23:39] <dtchen> bjsnider: yes
[23:39]  * Twigathy wonders how that works nicely...
[23:39] <dtchen> it works fine
[23:39] <bjsnider> i'm speechless
[23:39] <Twigathy> Surely some compression has to happen to squeeze music down a piddly little USB cable!?
[23:39] <Trewas> dtchen: at least emu10k1 did very high hw mixing compared to alsa's dmix
[23:39] <bjsnider> after your talk of "professional grade"
[23:40] <BluesKaj> hmm 30 bucks for a CMedia Diamond CM18738 (with 5.1 surround options) sound card isn't too much IMO , works right out of the box on linux
[23:40] <Trewas> dtchen: +quality
[23:40] <dtchen> Trewas: heck no
[23:40] <dtchen> Trewas: it was _marginally_ better than the default plugin resampler, yes.
[23:41] <dtchen> however, there were always speex resamplers that blew the emu10k1 out of the water
[23:42] <dtchen> dupondje: my condolences. the 9200 family really leaves something to be desired.
[23:42] <BluesKaj> Twigathy, line level audio under 1 volt is fine on a usb cable , there won't be any compression despite the BS out there about signals and cable
[23:42] <Twigathy> ah, cool :)
[23:43] <Twigathy> yeah, I just realised CD audio itself is ~1400kbit (USB @ many megabits)
[23:43] <Twigathy> Jitter might be a bit of a problem though, especially if you had other things on the USB bus... guess it must do some fancy buffering :o
[23:44] <Trewas> dtchen: I wouldn't say marginally, but it has been some time since I tried dmix so maybe it has gotten better... and pulseaudio should make very very good job of software mixing given that it takes tens of percents of cpu when playing anything :P
[23:44] <BluesKaj> Twigathy, don't get sucked in by thew audiophile BS talk on the forums about expensive audio and vide cable , it's nothing but snobbery and snake oil
[23:44] <Twigathy> yes, I agree totally
[23:44] <BluesKaj> video
[23:44] <dtchen> Trewas: we enable an extremely good speex resampler in PA
[23:44] <Twigathy> Expence HDMI cables make me laugh
[23:44] <Twigathy> *expensive
[23:44] <Twigathy> ditto people that pay £fail/meter for speaker cable
[23:44] <dtchen> dupondje: bug updated
[23:44] <BluesKaj> yup 12 bucks is enuff for hdmi cable :)
[23:45] <BluesKaj> 3meters
[23:46] <bjsnider> dtchen, what do you think of the asus xonar cards?
[23:46] <dupondje> dtchen: and keep the limits.conf settings ?
[23:47] <dtchen> bjsnider: they're fine
[23:47] <dtchen> dupondje: yes
[23:48] <dupondje> ok testing it out now :)
[23:52] <dupondje> seem to work, but going to sleep now, will test more tomorrow & update bugreport
[23:53] <dupondje> anyway thx for assitance dtchen  :)