[04:00] <willm> Hi,
[04:00] <willm> I am new to the bugzapper team
[04:35] <dtchen> willm: welcome
[04:35] <willm> hi, I just joined the bugzapper team a couple of hours ago and thought I would stop by here
[04:36] <dtchen> this channel'll probably lie dormant for a couple hours
[04:37] <willm> I come from Fedora where I was a bug person there but I haven't done it for a little while
[04:37] <willm> ok
[04:37] <willm> while*
[04:38] <dtchen> mostly it's the weekend hours, and people are returning from the platform sprint in dublin
[04:39] <willm> that isn't a big deal i understand
[04:39] <willm> I didn't expect too many folks to be on here on the weekend
[04:39] <dtchen> micahg: beep depends on the hardware - it can be driven by pcspkr, snd-pcsp, snd-hda-beep
[04:39] <dtchen> micahg: so, lots of room for confusion/error
[04:40] <dtchen> micahg: note that in the latest upload of module-init-tools in karmic, pitti blacklisted pcspkr
[04:40] <dtchen> (which is insufficient IMO)
[04:40] <micahg> pcspkr did it
[04:40] <micahg> I didn't want to ask you in here dtchen
[04:41] <micahg> but thanks
[04:41] <dtchen> i have highlights for keywords
[04:52] <micahg> dtchen: can I talk to you about bug 283718
[04:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 283718 in flashplugin-nonfree "Installing adobe-flashplugin alongside flashplugin-nonfree fails" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283718
[04:53] <dtchen> sec
[04:53] <micahg> oh, I need to talk to asac about it
[05:02] <dtchen> micahg: i think the best course of action is for the adobe-flashplugin source to be altered
[05:06] <micahg> to do what?
[05:06] <micahg> conflict?
[05:07] <dtchen> it really should C+R, as my last comment recommends
[05:07] <micahg> so why was it won't fix?
[05:07] <micahg> is that the current plan?
[05:07] <micahg> for adobe-flashplugin to replace flashplugin-installer?
[05:15] <dtchen> micahg: the current plan is that they're parallel-installable
[05:15] <dtchen> micahg: at least that's the way the respective source packages read
[05:15] <dtchen> micahg: in which case it's really moot, and the bug status is correct as either wontfix or fixreleased
[05:20] <micahg> how can that be?
[05:20] <micahg> they are the same plugin are they not?
[05:27] <dtchen> install to different locations, so technically (by Policy) there's no reason to Conflicts
[05:35] <micahg> yes, but firefox doesn't like both of them
[05:36] <dtchen> technically they should Breaks each other
[05:39] <micahg> dtchen: what do you mean?
[05:39] <dtchen> micahg: both source packages should be amended to have Breaks
[05:40]  * micahg doesn't understand what that means...
[05:40] <dtchen> adobe-flashplugin should Breaks: flashplugin-installer, and vice versa
[05:40] <micahg> ah
[05:40] <micahg> excellent
[05:40] <micahg> can I open a bug for that?
[05:40] <dtchen> go for it
[05:42] <micahg> bug 410935
[05:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410935 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree should break adobe-flashplugin and vice-versa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410935
[12:24] <BUGabundo> bom dia
[12:42] <BUGabundo> hey ogra
[13:28] <kklimonda> how to get a list of local packeges? i.e. packages that aren't from any repository
[13:29] <BUGabundo> synapic does it
[13:29] <BUGabundo> and so does aptitude
[19:10] <lfaraone> Hey, can someone assist me in debugging bug 409001? I don't think this is a problem in the package. as xcb_io.c isn't part of python-gasp.
[19:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 409001 in python-gasp "begin_graphics crashes python shell" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409001
[19:10]  * matti pokes Laney 
[19:10] <Laney> sup
[19:10] <Laney> see the topic!
[19:10] <Laney> get triagin'
[19:11] <matti> Sir yes sir!
[21:13] <s3r3n1t7> Every so many minutes a 4 will be typed, a literal 4. It is not caused by a broken keyboard and it also occurs on the liveCD. Windows does not have this problem.
[21:24] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: hi
[21:24] <BUGabundo> this channel is not for user support
[21:24] <BUGabundo> please visit #ubuntu
[21:24] <BUGabundo> or #ubuntu+1 for devel versions (like karmic)
[21:24] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:25] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: I've been directed here from #ubuntu by Flannel.
[21:25] <BUGabundo> err
[21:25] <BUGabundo> well no, not here
[21:25] <Flannel> He's asking what sort of stuff to include in the bug report
[21:25] <Flannel> or, that's what I directed him here for, anyway.
[21:25] <BUGabundo> ok, lets give him a try
[21:25] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: what's the prob?
[21:26] <s3r3n1t7> Ah. so i misunderstood the intention then Flannel. My bad. Right, so what to include in it?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> its the '4' ?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> without any other data, that would sound like faulty hw
[21:26] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: the problem is that 4 is typed every few minutes for no reason. Even without keyboard, without any software running, single under mode, still does it. Windows however, does not.
[21:26] <BUGabundo> but since you state it doesn't happen on wind
[21:26] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: leading me to believe it's somewhat related to ubuntu.
[21:27] <BUGabundo> what version is this ?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> and where is this '4' typed?
[21:27] <s3r3n1t7> the latest, i believe that would be 9.04.3. A near fresh install.
[21:27] <s3r3n1t7> where ever i leave my cursor.
[21:28] <s3r3n1t7> it feels like it's send on the keyboard input channel, as when i play WoW it tries to use the ability bound to the 4.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> there is no such version
[21:28] <BUGabundo> I'll assume 9.04
[21:28] <s3r3n1t7> 9.04, third major updated.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> unless the .3 is meant to be from Mint !
[21:28] <s3r3n1t7> no, clean ubuntu.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> no s3r3n1t7 there is no 3rd update to jaunty
[21:29] <BUGabundo> only 8.04 had that
[21:29] <BUGabundo> do you mean 8.04 ?
[21:29] <BUGabundo> Hardy ?
[21:29] <s3r3n1t7> ah. My bad there then. No, this is jaunty (just confirmed)
[21:29] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: please open a terminal and type lsb_release -a
[21:29] <BUGabundo> what does that give you ?
[21:30] <s3r3n1t7> I have. It shows Jaunty. (this is how i confirmed it just a second ago)
[21:30] <s3r3n1t7> Release: 9.04 Codename: jaunty
[21:30] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:31] <BUGabundo> those this only happen on that game?
[21:31] <s3r3n1t7> No, the game was an example to show that it isn't related to just text. It will type a 4 where ever that my cursor is, be it text or anything else.
[21:32] <BUGabundo> very strange
[21:32] <BUGabundo> did you search on launchpad?
[21:32] <s3r3n1t7> I have, but not found a similar or related bug.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I don't recall a proper package to file it against
[21:33] <s3r3n1t7> Good old google also left me down on this one, leaving me rather helpless.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> would you care to run a livecd/usb of karmic ?
[21:34] <s3r3n1t7> would you please explain what karmic is? I haven't heard of it. As long as it doesn't break stuff, sure.
[21:35] <s3r3n1t7> Ah, i see. Karmic is the new codename of Ubuntu 9.10?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:36] <s3r3n1t7> Do you have a download link at hand? If not, i'll find one.
[21:36] <BUGabundo> if you could get an iso, and burned it or put on an USB key, and test, it would help
[21:37] <BUGabundo> of course
[21:37] <BUGabundo> !daily
[21:37] <ubot4> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:37] <s3r3n1t7> I'll burn it and test it.
[21:37] <BUGabundo> see daily-live
[21:37] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:37] <s3r3n1t7> Ok, give me 2 seconds to switch irssi back to the right pc.
[21:37] <BUGabundo> please open a bug, lets make it to the kernel, and keep it updated
[21:37] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: run on a cli: ubuntu-bug linux
[21:37] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:38] <s3r3n1t7> I assume I have to run that on the Karmic version?
[21:38] <s3r3n1t7> I'll try my best.
[21:38] <s3r3n1t7> Downloading atm, ETA is 6 minutes.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> no
[21:44] <BUGabundo> run on jaunty
[21:44] <BUGabundo> since there's where you have the bug s3r3n1t7
[21:45] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: also when you do, sub me to it, so I can track the bug
[21:45] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: running that now then.
[21:46] <s3r3n1t7> Not entirely sure how to describe the bug. "4 being typed without typing" ?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:47] <BUGabundo> its strange
[21:47] <BUGabundo> it would be great if you could reproduce it on other HW
[21:47] <BUGabundo> like, have you changed keyboard?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> used that on another pc?
[21:48] <s3r3n1t7> I use a G15, which i use between 2 PC's and a laptop. Only this PC has this issue, persistant between reinstallations of Ubuntu.
[21:48] <s3r3n1t7> Happens with other keyboard (and no keyboard) as well
[21:48] <s3r3n1t7> though ... the description ... Typing is happening without typing <== something like that?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> wait, NO KEYB?
[21:49] <s3r3n1t7> yes even without keyboard
[21:49] <BUGabundo> state that on the bug, please
[21:49] <s3r3n1t7> will do
[21:49] <BUGabundo> I still believe its faulty HW
[21:49] <BUGabundo> maybe a bad controler
[21:49] <s3r3n1t7> It has me wondering why windows doesn't have the same problem.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> where the wind drivers ignores it
[21:49] <BUGabundo> pretty comon
[21:49] <BUGabundo> wind is more permissive
[21:50] <s3r3n1t7> Might be ... though I'd think Ubuntu would be more able to handle it.
[21:57] <s3r3n1t7> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/411154
[21:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 411154 in linux "Typing is happening without typing" [Undecided,New]
[21:57] <s3r3n1t7> would you be so kind to take a look?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I will
[21:58] <s3r3n1t7> I just subscribed you to it (assuming that's what you asked for earlier)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> please edit and stat this happens on LiveCd
[21:58] <BUGabundo> and doesn't on Wind
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I already did sub to it
[21:59] <s3r3n1t7> ok.
[22:00] <s3r3n1t7> Changed.