| mdke | Gwaihir: ciao | 10:55 |
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| Gwaihir | mdke: ciao! | 10:55 |
| mdke | Gwaihir: could you do me a favour and download the translations for intrepid/ubuntu-docs - not sure if you saw my email to -translations-coordinators through Launchpad about that | 10:56 |
| Gwaihir | hmm... nope... didn't see that mail... | 10:56 |
| mdke | damn, maybe Launchpad let me down | 10:57 |
| mdke | I sent it through the "Contact a team" interface | 10:57 |
| Gwaihir | when did you send it? | 10:57 |
| mdke | maybe thursday morning? Not 100% sure | 10:57 |
| mdke | anyway it's the translations from here I'm after - http://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ubuntu-docs | 10:58 |
| mdke | I can't download them since I left the coordinators team | 10:58 |
| Gwaihir | sure, not a problem | 10:59 |
| mdke | many thanks | 10:59 |
| mdke | you're not still on dialup right? | 10:59 |
| Gwaihir | luckily not! | 11:00 |
| mdke | :) | 11:00 |
| Gwaihir | anyway I'll send you the link... | 11:00 |
| mdke | actually you don't need to download the translations yourself, if you can send me the LP link | 11:00 |
| mdke | right | 11:00 |
| mdke | thanks again | 11:00 |
| Gwaihir | no problem at all | 11:01 |
| Gwaihir | as soon as I get the link I'll forward it to you | 11:01 |
| mdke | grazie mille | 11:02 |
| mdke | buona domenica :) | 11:02 |
| Gwaihir | sent it! | 11:07 |
| Gwaihir | buona domenica to you too! :) | 11:07 |
| philbull | hi guys | 19:59 |
| missaugustina | Hi! | 19:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | hi | 20:00 |
| philbull | Who's here for the installation guide meeting? | 20:01 |
| missaugustina | I am :) | 20:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | i had no idea there was one | 20:01 |
| philbull | oops, I didn't send an email to the list | 20:02 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: i had no idea, either | 20:02 |
| philbull | not to worry, I was just hoping for a bit of a status update, nothing too serious | 20:02 |
| j1mc | there's also a gnome-doc meeting right now. :) | 20:03 |
| philbull | I'll post the logs to the ubuntu-doc list | 20:03 |
| KelvinGardiner | I'm here for the install guide meeting. | 20:03 |
| avi1 | I'm here | 20:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, well i won't be participating in your meeting, I'll read the log though | 20:03 |
| philbull | j1mc: I know, I'm in it... | 20:03 |
| philbull | OK, would everyone who's here like to give a brief overview of what they've been working on? | 20:05 |
| missaugustina | Awhile back I committed to doing the usb creator docs, so I submitted a draft of that. | 20:06 |
| avi1 | I've started drafting the installation and looking at virtualization option. | 20:07 |
| missaugustina | There has been discussion on ubuntu-doc about what to include in the installation guide. | 20:07 |
| missaugustina | I can create a different version of those docs for the installation guide or they can be used as is, whatever works. | 20:07 |
| missaugustina | And I've started working on the Alternate CD installation instructions by researching Alternate CD use in the forums etc | 20:08 |
| KelvinGardiner | I've written a draft of the "What's Next" section I'll email it this week. I'm going to create a page on the wiki with the a list of common problems and links to solutions. | 20:08 |
| philbull | missaugustina: are you intending to put the Alternate CD stuff in the IG? | 20:08 |
| philbull | it's already covered by the installation-guide | 20:08 |
| missaugustina | There was a section for it in the outline | 20:09 |
| missaugustina | When we last met, I said I would work on that section. | 20:09 |
| missaugustina | I might be confused though, what was the link to the outline again? | 20:09 |
| philbull | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/KarmicInstallationGuide#Proposed%20structure | 20:09 |
| missaugustina | Getting the Alternate CD / Why would I need the Alternate CD? | 20:10 |
| philbull | I think I intended that as a brief link out to the Alternate CD stuff, just to let people know that it exists | 20:10 |
| missaugustina | Right. | 20:10 |
| philbull | It's far too much to cover in the current guide, I think | 20:10 |
| missaugustina | I agree. I wanted to see what questions people had in the forums and what people were using it for. | 20:11 |
| philbull | (as far as actually describing the alternate installation procedure goes) | 20:11 |
| philbull | missaugustina: aha, I'm with you now | 20:11 |
| philbull | avi1: what's the virtualisation stuff you've been looking at? | 20:12 |
| avi1 | oh, just looking at virtualizing Win 7 for the WUbi install | 20:12 |
| avi1 | instead of showing Wubi with Win XP | 20:12 |
| philbull | cool | 20:12 |
| avi1 | so that it's a bit more up to date. For WUBI | 20:12 |
| philbull | which version of Windows should we be targeting? | 20:12 |
| philbull | XP is still the most common | 20:13 |
| avi1 | My guess is Vista and Win 7 | 20:13 |
| avi1 | True | 20:13 |
| KelvinGardiner | I would say Xp, vista and win 7 | 20:13 |
| missaugustina | I would search the forums and find out where people have the most questions | 20:13 |
| missaugustina | If a lot of current posts are using XP then it should be targeted. | 20:13 |
| avi1 | yeah, I think XP, Vista and 7 make sense | 20:14 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: when we have too many options to cover, I think that we should think about covering the less popular options on the wiki | 20:14 |
| avi1 | 7 isn't out yet but will be out around the same time ... The installation for 7 and Vista should be about the same | 20:14 |
| philbull | I don't think that covering all 3 makes sense, unless we can do it in an unconfusing and compact way | 20:14 |
| philbull | what do you think avi1? | 20:14 |
| avi1 | I don't think it's going to take a long time | 20:15 |
| avi1 | but someone probably will need to verify the Vista, I have XP and 7 RC | 20:15 |
| avi1 | but Wubi isn't hard to do | 20:15 |
| KelvinGardiner | ok, I was thinking if I had an old machine that couldn't upgrade to win 7, it would probably be an xp machine, I may wish to use wubi to try ubuntu. | 20:16 |
| avi1 | True | 20:16 |
| KelvinGardiner | I've got a vista install I give wubi a try. | 20:16 |
| avi1 | I ran Wubi before on the Win 7 beta | 20:16 |
| philbull | ok, thanks guys | 20:19 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: regarding common problems; what sort of things are you turning up? | 20:19 |
| KelvinGardiner | I found type categories of common problems. | 20:20 |
| dhillon-v10 | j1mc | 20:20 |
| dhillon-v10 | hi | 20:20 |
| KelvinGardiner | The first are general issues which I think you listed most of on the wiki. | 20:20 |
| dhillon-v10 | j1mc: Are you there?? ;) | 20:21 |
| KelvinGardiner | The second are hardware specific issues. For example every ubuntu install on my macbook breaks the headphone sound, which is fixed by turning on the surround sound channel. | 20:21 |
| j1mc | philbull: dhillon-v10 is interested in contributing to ubuntu docs | 20:22 |
| j1mc | shoot | 20:22 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: maybe we should cover hardware-specifics on the wiki and just link to them? | 20:22 |
| j1mc | just missed him | 20:22 |
| KelvinGardiner | Most of these issues are covered by the community help page and forums. I think we should point at these pages in the install guide and cover the common ones in detail. | 20:22 |
| philbull | j1mc: thanks, could you pass his email address on to me, maybe? | 20:22 |
| j1mc | philbull: sure | 20:23 |
| avi1 | That probably makes sense. I've noticed a lot of WiFi issues. They need to be dealt with but using the Wiki is probably the best bet at this stage. | 20:23 |
| philbull | OK, so hardware issues are probably a wiki thing. | 20:24 |
| philbull | More generic hardware issues (maybe some graphics or hard disk issues?) we should probably cover in the guide | 20:24 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: did you see my IRC script that I posted on the ubuntu-doc list? | 20:24 |
| philbull | it might help in rooting out some common problems | 20:25 |
| KelvinGardiner | yeah, I've not had chance to try it yet. I try it this week. | 20:25 |
| philbull | cool, let me know if you have any problems with it | 20:25 |
| philbull | OK, sounds like we're progressing well with the writing | 20:25 |
| KelvinGardiner | Are we going to cover installing restricted graphics drivers? | 20:26 |
| philbull | I haven't heard from nhandler in a while | 20:26 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: that's covered directly by the system docs, so we should just point there if it's a major problem. | 20:26 |
| KelvinGardiner | ok | 20:26 |
| dhillon-v10 | hi everyone | 20:28 |
| philbull | hi dhillon-v10 | 20:28 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: I have a question for you | 20:29 |
| philbull | dhillon-v10: sure, shoot | 20:29 |
| philbull | (IG team guys: anything else you'd like to discuss?) | 20:29 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: When I get into a room and want help who should I ask | 20:29 |
| KelvinGardiner | If this is going on to the karmic cd, when do we need to be done for? | 20:30 |
| philbull | dhillon-v10: on IRC? it's normally best to ask a question to the whole channel | 20:31 |
| philbull | dhillon-v10: though it can take a long time for someone to reply | 20:31 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: I think we need to be done by Feature Freeze | 20:31 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: so just shoot it out... | 20:31 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: 27th August, hmm | 20:32 |
| philbull | So I think we need *something* by then | 20:32 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: Can I help | 20:32 |
| philbull | We need to finish the guide by Doc String Freeze | 20:32 |
| avi1 | Oh, question, how are we dealing with screen shots? | 20:32 |
| philbull | dhillon-v10: sure, what would you like to help out with? | 20:33 |
| avi1 | Are we going to have a significant amount of screen shots or totally ignore them? Or does that depend. | 20:33 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: something you guys were talking about just now | 20:33 |
| KelvinGardiner | ok, who is sorting out the layout? I think a clear simple layout is needed for the common problems section. | 20:33 |
| philbull | avi1: they should be used reasonably sparingly | 20:33 |
| philbull | avi1: they're awkward for translators, but we can figure something out. | 20:34 |
| philbull | KelvinGardiner: I think that was DB's job | 20:34 |
| KelvinGardiner | ok | 20:35 |
| philbull | dhillon-v10: we're talking about the installation guide at the moment | 20:36 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: Alright go on | 20:37 |
| philbull | would you be interested in helping out with the wiki side of the installation docs? | 20:37 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: ya sure | 20:37 |
| philbull | once the installation guide is finished, we'll need to look at the wiki pages and see what should be reorganised | 20:40 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: Alright | 20:41 |
| philbull | dhillon-v10: would you like to email me and I can send through some details? | 20:41 |
| philbull | it's philbull AT gmail DOT com | 20:41 |
| philbull | OK installation guide guys, it seems like everyone is making pretty good progress so far | 20:42 |
| philbull | any grievances? Questions? | 20:43 |
| KelvinGardiner | no | 20:43 |
| philbull | I'd like to apologise for missing the last meeting. | 20:43 |
| missaugustina | Nope | 20:43 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: Alright I just send you an email | 20:43 |
| philbull | dhillon-v10: thanks, I'll get back to you ASAP | 20:43 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: np :) | 20:43 |
| philbull | OK, if no-one has anything more to discuss about the IG, then we should end the meeting | 20:44 |
| philbull | I'm pretty pleased so far | 20:44 |
| philbull | thanks for coming guys :) | 20:45 |
| missaugustina | np! | 20:45 |
| KelvinGardiner | no problem | 20:46 |
| dhillon-v10 | philbull: yah, nice talking to you | 20:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | Ok guys, let's get started with the BT Wiki FG meeting | 22:02 |
| Rocket2DMn | just FYI guys, the doc-team had a meeting last weekend | 22:02 |
| Rocket2DMn | You can find the summary and log here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/DocTeam | 22:02 |
| Rocket2DMn | Before we start with the wiki stuff - is anybody also interested in working on system docs? | 22:02 |
| starcraftman | not really, I'm pretty happy sticking to wiki atm. Maybe further down the road. | 22:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok then, let me know in the future if you are | 22:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | Moving on - Summer of Documentation | 22:03 |
| starcraftman | Rocket2DMn: will do. | 22:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | Thank you all for your hard work this summer, a lot of great stuff has been done | 22:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Development | 22:04 |
| Silver_Fox_ | thank you too Rocket2DMn | 22:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | Of course, you can work on any page on the wiki, even if it isn't listed there | 22:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | also, you can add any pages to the Available section if you run across a page you think BT members might be able to handle | 22:05 |
| starcraftman | Yup, congrats to all, think we covered quite a bit of articles I'll get some more in before I go back in mid September. | 22:05 |
| Silver_Fox_ | i am still beavering away at the list :) | 22:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | Yeah, we'll wind down the SoD in September | 22:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | perhaps around Sept 22, that is the weekend at the end of the Summer season | 22:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | Although, I fully expect some drop off around Labor day since people will be going back to school | 22:06 |
| Silver_Fox_ | why do we want to wind it down? | 22:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | I recognize that this is all volunteer time, so don't stress yourselves | 22:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | well Silver_Fox_ , we can't maintain the Summer of Documentation all year round :) | 22:06 |
| starcraftman | Silver_Fox_: summer holiday doesn't last forever, even if some wish it did ^^ | 22:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | that's not to say you can't do work, it's just not part of this little project | 22:07 |
| Silver_Fox_ | okay, just clarifying :) | 22:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | we do maintain the community docs all year round :) | 22:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | the SoD is really just a way to get people from the BT involved in the wiki | 22:07 |
| Silver_Fox_ | hey, might even finish the glossary, haha | 22:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | Does anybody have any questions? | 22:08 |
| Silver_Fox_ | i think that is a no | 22:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | Ok then, please feel free to interrupt me at any time, but I'll move on | 22:09 |
| starcraftman | Not really, I think someone wanted to know what to do with orphans.... | 22:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | A page that I've thrown at a couple of you guys is exactly what starcraftman is now mentioning | 22:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OrphanedPages | 22:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | those are pages that aren't linked from anywhere else on the community docs | 22:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | a lot of the pages listed there are redirects, so you can ignore those | 22:09 |
| Silver_Fox_ | i have a question regarding that page | 22:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | However, many of those pages need homes, and pages that arent linked from elsewhere arent very useful unless somebody grabs it from google | 22:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | go for it Silver_Fox_ | 22:10 |
| Silver_Fox_ | is it generated by a bot or human? reason i ask is i can see where some of the links could be referenced | 22:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | Silver_Fox_, it should be autogenerated | 22:10 |
| Silver_Fox_ | okay, thank you Rocket2DMn. | 22:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | starcraftman asked me to give an example | 22:11 |
| starcraftman | I did? Don't think so ><. | 22:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | no, maybe it was somebody else | 22:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | sorry | 22:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | anyway, let's take https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineServer | 22:12 |
| starcraftman | sure. | 22:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | if you look at the page history, you will notice that it was only created a year ago, which meant somebody started an independent page | 22:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | the main Wine page is here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine | 22:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | So what do we do with the WineServer page? | 22:13 |
| Rocket2DMn | why dont' you guys tell me what you would do :) | 22:13 |
| starcraftman | Link from WINE > WineServer. | 22:13 |
| starcraftman | The exact nature of how ya link it about though depends on the pages, the WINE page a bit of a mess as it is. | 22:14 |
| Silver_Fox_ | check content of wine page first to see if wine server covered | 22:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | Yes, there could be content on the WineServer page that isn't covered on the Wine page | 22:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm not a Wine expert, but it should be noted that Wine and WineServer are two components of what is generally just viewed as Wine | 22:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | perhaps there is content that should specifically remain on the WineServer page, or be moved there from the Wine page | 22:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | if somebody were to take on that page, they would need to do some research or already know more about wine than i do :) | 22:16 |
| starcraftman | Wineserver page definitely needs to be updated if it's to be linked, last tested on 606 it says. | 22:16 |
| starcraftman | I'm more of a VM user tbh. | 22:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah starcraftman , after cleanup the links can be added | 22:17 |
| starcraftman | Though I have been trying desperately hard to get WINE to make my folding GPU windows client work, no luck though. | 22:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | lol | 22:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | well, there are other pages like this on the wiki that show us interesting things about what's happening with the wiki | 22:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PageHits | 22:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges | 22:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex | 22:18 |
| starcraftman | hehe, I'm listed a lot on the recent changes one. :) | 22:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | There are a couple more i believe, but i dont recall them off the top of my head | 22:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | Any questions? | 22:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok then | 22:19 |
| starcraftman | nope, simple enough concept, already linked about 20 or so orphans I thought were worth saving. | 22:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm not sure if you are already doing this, but it would be good if you all subscribed to pages that you did serious work on | 22:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | then you can act as a maintainer of the page, and see what changes other people make later | 22:20 |
| Silver_Fox_ | good idea | 22:20 |
| starcraftman | Yup, I do that for the ones I rewrite like my backup and the ISO pages. | 22:21 |
| Silver_Fox_ | are only 3 people here? | 22:21 |
| Rocket2DMn | I also want to note that if you work on pages that are important, popular, or probably/might have experts in the subject, you should seek those people out if appropriate to ask for advice about a page, or to let them know that you are working on it | 22:21 |
| dsas | Silver_Fox_: no | 22:21 |
| starcraftman | Silver_Fox_: Only 3 wiki fg members, yup, I think so. Rest are regular doc members. | 22:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | remember that this is a community effort and we are working with others to keep documentation up to date | 22:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | it is respectful and helpful to talk to others - you can always check to see who has contributed to pages by looking at the Page History | 22:22 |
| starcraftman | Rocket2DMn: Right, can always send a post to doc mail list to ask.. | 22:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | if you have questions or concerns, you can always take them to the doc-team mailing list, or other lists if appropriate | 22:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | exactly starcraftman | 22:23 |
| pleia2 | some pages also instruct you not to edit them, so it's good to read them thoroughly too | 22:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | yes, those are ones that should be taken to mailing lists. there are only a handful of pages like that though, and are often ones linked from the main ubuntu site or are maintained by project owners | 22:24 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I'm thinking council ones mostly (irc council's irc rules, loco council's loco team list) | 22:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | those are mostly on wiki.ubuntu.com, which we don't typically deal with | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | ah, ok | 22:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | does anybody have any questions at all? I am basically out of material. I like to keep these meetings short | 22:26 |
| starcraftman | not really, I usually ask ya a question in the bt channel when it comes to me. | 22:27 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I don't have any questions | 22:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | okie dokie then. Of course you can always ask questions later | 22:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | Thanks for attending, meeting adjourned! | 22:28 |
| starcraftman | no problem | 22:28 |
| Silver_Fox_ | a pleasure | 22:28 |
| Silver_Fox_ | now if only bt meetings were at this time :) | 22:28 |
| Rocket2DMn | hehe | 22:29 |
| Silver_Fox_ | it would be a lot easier for me and means i get to bed before 2am | 22:29 |
| Silver_Fox_ | but yeah... | 22:29 |
| Snova | Where would I report an... odd, page? | 22:33 |
| starcraftman | Snova: odd page? | 22:35 |
| Snova | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaunchPad | 22:35 |
| starcraftman | Snova: linky? | 22:35 |
| Snova | I found it linked off of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Git | 22:35 |
| starcraftman | Snova: I see what ya mean, originator posted the CoC signed, the next guy was trying to get help... either pranksters or very very lost people. | 22:37 |
| Silver_Fox_ | hmm i suspect lost | 22:37 |
| Silver_Fox_ | created back in may i see. does not belong in wiki though | 22:38 |
| starcraftman | Silver_Fox_: guess not, I'll mark it for deletion. Covering lp isn't in scope of the wiki. | 22:39 |
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