[12:32] <bronger> What does "Needs review" on https://translations.launchpad.net/felo/+imports mean?  Where can I see what went wrong?
[12:37] <cprov> bug#408001 is fixed
[12:44] <wgrant> bronger: It means that it's waiting for a Translations dev to approve it for the first time.
[12:45] <bronger> And this dev is a Launchpad admin or a project admin?
[12:45] <maxb> Is there a "What needs approval and why" page anywhere? (If not, can we have one? :-) )
[12:46] <wgrant> bronger: Launchpad Translations developer/admin.
[12:46]  * wgrant finds the page.
[12:47] <bronger> Okay, thank you.
[12:48] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/ImportPolicy is the relevant policy, but it doesn't actually say anywhere that templates/translations will be held for review.
[12:59] <bronger> However, after my first upload of fr.po, its status was "failed" without any further comment.  The German translations went through with one warning, which was explicitly explained.
[13:07] <RainCT> Hi
[13:08] <RainCT> I'm getting lots of "Please try again" pages from bazaar.launchpad.net, eg. trying to open http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeitgeist/zeitgeist/trunk/revision/1071 or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.jaunty
[13:09] <shiny_> yes, same here
[13:16] <james_w`> does anyone else get lots of errors with launchpadlib because it caches a truncated copy of the wadl?
[13:16] <james_w`> it also makes me worried that it will give bad results because it might truncate other things in the cache
[13:25] <wgrant> james_w`: Other objects will fail to decode if truncated, so it should be pretty obvious.
[13:25] <james_w`> true
[13:25] <james_w`> still pretty annoying that it commits suicide though
[13:26] <wgrant> Certainly.
[13:26] <james_w`> though I think it may be more of a bug in httplib2 though
[13:26] <wgrant> But at least it won't do bad things -- just crash.
[13:26] <james_w`> for one, it stores the headers, so it could validate Content-Length from the cache, and invalidate it if it doesn't match
[13:27] <james_w`> I'm not sure what causes the truncation, but it certainly doesn't use fsync
[13:36] <james_w`> hmm, perhaps I need a per-process cache dir
[14:33] <Ng> --help
[14:47] <superm1> matsubara, ping. i was just curious when the commit for bug 409578 will actually show up in published Packages.gz files on the archive?
[14:50] <matsubara> superm1, only in the next release in september, I think. bigjools can you confirm ^?
[14:51] <bigjools> superm1: I requested a cherry pick, so it will appear hopefully later today, or tomorrow
[14:51] <superm1> bigjools, okay great thanks
[14:51] <bigjools> welcome
[14:57] <mrevell> cprov: wrt signing PPA keys: is it enough to add a message to the pop-up help on the PPA page?
[15:01] <maxb> mrevell: I though the thread ended up suggesting that we wouldn't/shouldn't encourage signing PPA keys?
[15:02] <mrevell> maxb: Yeah, so my thought is that we should add a note to the pop-up help that appears next to the signing key. The note would explain why the keys aren't signed.
[15:03] <maxb> oh, I see. Explaining that it's a machine-generated, escrowed key.
[15:39] <bronger> On https://translations.launchpad.net/felo/+imports it says "Import failed".  How do I get the reason why it went wrong?  I didn't receive an email.
[15:40] <mrevell> cprov: ping
[15:41] <cprov> mrevell: pong
[15:43] <mrevell> Hi cprov, thumper mentioned in his CHR handover that he'd like some FAQs on the builders. Do you have any idea what sort of thing might be useful?
[15:45] <cprov> mrevell: depends on what were the questions, I guess.
[15:45] <mrevell> cprov: I thought that might be the case :) I'll reply to Tim's mail and ask for more detail
[15:45] <cprov> mrevell: last week we had some stuck builders due to bug #408001
[15:45] <cprov> mrevell: that was probably the root cause of complaints.
[15:46] <cprov> mrevell: check with Tim, we can certainly create some useful FAQ for builder (we have none atm, IIRC)
[15:46] <mrevell> ok thanks cprov
[15:54] <danilos> bronger: when import fails without a reason, it usually indicates a bug in our code somewhere; I'll try checking the logs to see if I can figure out what went wrong
[16:14] <bronger> danilos, both the German and the French po file only triggers a mild warning, but the French file was rejected while the German wasn't.
[16:19] <danilos> bronger: it's possible that there are some \r's (carriage returns) in the French file, they sometimes cause problems for us because we try to be smart about them
[16:21] <bronger> No, there is neither an escaped nor an unescaped \r.
[16:26] <danilos> bronger: so, it seems there's some problem creating a record for the Last-Translator in the file, I'll have to look a bit deeper to see what's exactly going on
[16:27] <bronger> danilos, okay thanks.  However, I have to go now.  Apparently my latest push a couple of minutes ago triggered a fresh import.  Let's see what happens.  At least, I removed the warnings.
[16:31] <danilos> bronger: cool, I'll be filing a bug about this when I see what it is exactly about, I can email you when I do if you want
[16:32] <bronger> I hope my branch push didn't spoil your invastigations.  Yes, drop me a note.  Bye!
[16:34] <danilos> bronger: no, don't worry, it's fine
[16:34] <danilos> bronger: well, "fine" :)
[16:39]  * SamB sighs and wishes launchpad emails could be filtered in gmail ...
[16:47] <ahz> Does this page imply that projects (and my project in particular) can be adopted by translation teams? https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[16:49] <dpm> ahz: this should give you more info -> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject#Translations%20groups It is the project owner who assigns the groups.
[16:50] <dpm> If you want to assign the translation of your project to a group, I'd recommend the launchpad-translators group, unless your project is very Ubuntu-centric, in which case, I'd recommend you the ubuntu-translators group
[16:52] <ahz> dpm: So if I pick Launchpad-translators, then I should expect some translations from that group?  And if I keep my policy open, my existing translators can continue working?
[16:53] <ahz> BTW, I have ~25 translations, but sometimes I feel like I nag my translators by emailing them every 2-4 weeks
[16:59] <dpm> ahz: if you assign the translations of your project to launchpad-translators and the policy is 'Structured' or 'Restricted', only the members of that translation group will be able to approve suggestions and make translations. But still everyone will be able to make suggestions. If you keep your policy as 'Open', anyone with a Launchpad account will be able to modify the translations.
[17:00] <dpm> If you'd like to let your existing translators to be able to continue translating but would like translations to be reviewed by the launchpad-translators group, they can always join the relevant language team in the language-translators group
[17:03] <ahz> dpm: That makes sense.  By simplying linking my project to the team, should some translations come in "automatically"?  Or do I have personally invite translators?
[17:08] <dpm> ahz: once you enable translations for the project, translators should be able to see what they can translate from the "Translations" tab in your project's page in Launchpad. It would also make sense to announce translators (e.g. on your project's mailing list and/or in the launchpad-translators one) that your project is now translatable in Launchpad.
[17:10] <ahz> dpm: I didn't know they have a mailing list.  Thanks, I will check that out.  Thanks for all your help. This sounds like a potentially good "plan B" compared to the translation-subscription/notification feature I wish Launchpad had
[17:10] <dpm> np, you're welcome
[17:18] <dpm> ahz: you might also find this interesting for your project -> http://blog.launchpad.net/translations/import-translation-templates-from-your-projects-bazaar-branches and http://blog.launchpad.net/general/exporting-translations-to-a-bazaar-branch
[17:21] <ahz> dpm: Bazaar seems promising, but I feel too lazy to switch from SourceForge SVN :)
[17:25] <dpm> yes, I'm sure many on this channel could talk for hours on the goodness of bzr :-), but it ultimately is your choice to use the tool that better fits your workflow
[18:08] <Ampelbein> hi there. I uploaded a package to my ppa some time ago but did not yet receive a accepted/rejected email. The ppa is https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/ppa/ , the package is octave3.2 , dput result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/250930/
[18:10] <cprov> Ampelbein: is that your first upload ? have you uploaded anything with the same gpgkey before ?
[18:10] <Ampelbein> cprov: i uploaded several times successully before with that key.
[18:10] <Ampelbein> cprov: for example texlive-bin - 2007.dfsg.2-6ubuntu3~ppaamoog3  in the same ppa
[18:10] <cprov> Ampelbein:
[18:10] <cprov>  2009-08-10 16:45:19 DEBUG       Subject: octave3.2_3.2.0-2ubuntu2~ppaamoog1_source.changes rejected
[18:10] <cprov> 2009-08-10 16:45:19 DEBUG       Recipients: Andreas Moog <andreas-launchpad@warperbbs.de>
[18:11] <cprov> Ampelbein: it looks like the email is floating somewhere in the intarweb.
[18:11] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Is it the right place to ask how to delete a ppa in launchpad?
[18:12] <cprov> Ampelbein: anyway, it was rejected because you are over quota.
[18:12] <Ampelbein> cprov: oh. now that you mention it i see the starring red 100.00% line on my ppa's page
[18:12] <cprov> fabrice_sp: yes, file a question on 'soyuz' product explaining why you want to delete it.
[18:12] <Ampelbein> cprov: thanks for looking.
[18:13] <cprov> Ampelbein: np, did you find the email ?  spam, perhaps ?
[18:13] <fabrice_sp> cprov, Will do. Thanks!
[18:13] <cprov> Ampelbein: it's a little concerning if you haven't received it.
[18:14] <cprov> fabrice_sp: out of curiosity, why do you want to remove a PPA ?  created with a misleading name, or something like this ?
[18:14] <Ampelbein> cprov: looking at mail.log on my mailserver right now. do you happen to have a message id?
[18:15] <cprov> Ampelbein: no, sorry, we don't get that verbose in our logs :-(
[18:15] <cprov> Ampelbein: that date is BST, it might help.
[18:16] <Ampelbein> cprov: it seems to be a problem on my end, "Aug 10 18:45:22 golem postfix/cleanup[3371]: C5F371BAB7: message-id=<20090810164519.25872.83520.launchpad@germanium.canonical.com>  " but i don't have a message in my inbox matching that id... so everything is cool with launchpad ;-)
[18:17] <fabrice_sp> cprov, created by error in the wrong place (in the team page instead of private)
[18:17] <cprov> Ampelbein: cool, thx for checking.
[18:18] <cprov> fabrice_sp: okay, if it is still empty we can completely purge it for you.
[18:19] <fabrice_sp> cprov, yes: it's completely empty
[18:19] <fabrice_sp> cool :-)
[18:31] <jacob> seeing a lot of slowness on lp. edge times out as well
[19:37] <trondn> Why do I need a separate wiki in order to use the blueprints???
[19:38] <beuno> trondn, because Launchpad does not provide a wiki at the moment
[19:40] <trondn> beuno: do you know if that is planned?
[19:40] <beuno> trondn, it is. High up on our list
[19:40] <trondn> great :)
[21:55] <stgraber> hey, anyone knows how the SSH restriction is done on bazaar.launchpad.net ?
[21:55] <stgraber> I'd like to setup something similar at work, so everyone can push but noone can get a working shell or run any command using the same account
[21:58] <maxb> A cursory peek at the sourcecode suggests that it's a custom ssh/sftp server written python using twisted
[21:59] <maxb> However, ssh's authorized_keys forced-command stuff provides a much simpler option to offer sftp-only, provided unix permissions suffice to limit which areas of the filesystem the accounts have access to
[22:21] <maxb> I've just discovered the in-page popups on the PPA page.... and for me the close button is insanely tiny and invisible - is it like that for everyone, or is it a FF 3.5 quirk?
[22:24] <nandhp> It's like that for me too, but I'm also using Firefox 3.5.
[22:27] <wgrant> maxb: It used to have 'Continue' in it, but that vanished around a month ago.
[22:28] <beuno> maxb, you mean the x on the top left?
[22:34] <maxb> beuno: um, I have a tiny button with no legend at all at the bottom right
[22:37] <beuno> maxb, when clicking on what?
[22:38] <maxb> Read about installing, or What is this?
[22:38] <wgrant> It's the help popups, not the lazr-js ones.
[22:38] <wgrant> They are different for no particularly good reason.
[22:39] <maxb> well, I see the same behaviour in FF 3.0 as with 3.5
[22:40] <wgrant> The HTML was clearly wrong last time I looked.
[22:40] <beuno> maxb, wgrant, sounds like a bug
[22:40]  * wgrant looks again.
[22:40] <wgrant> It is a bug.
[22:40] <wgrant> There's one filed.
[22:40] <beuno> can you point me at it?
[22:41] <wgrant> I'm trying to find it.
[22:41] <wgrant> Unfortunately there's no text to search for...
[22:42] <wgrant> Bug #406394
[22:42] <beuno> wgrant, thank you
[23:42] <jedc> Hello, is it possible to replace my public key on launchpad with a new one if I have lost my private key and dont have a revocation certificate?
[23:43] <beuno> jedc, yes. SSH or GPG?
[23:43] <jedc> GPG
[23:44] <jedc> I had to get a new HD and forgot to hadnt backed them up
[23:45] <beuno> jedc, yes, click on "change details"
[23:45] <beuno> and then "OpenGPG" on that block sub-menu
[23:46] <jedc> Ah, i see, thank you so much!
[23:47] <beuno> sinzui, edit button next to GPG keys in 3.0?
[23:47] <beuno> :)
[23:47] <sinzui> We should