[00:06]  * BUGabundo echo sleep > /etc/mode && /home/BUGabundo reload
[00:25] <haagar> can I use the jaunty repo to install virtualbox in karmic?
[00:28] <billybigrigger> what's wrong with karmic repos?
[00:45] <Twigathy> ok, this is pretty cool... http://rorr.im/digg.com/linux_unix/earcandy_is_the_next_cool_thing_you_want_in_linux/
[00:45] <Twigathy> :O it's in the karmic repos!
[00:45]  * Twigathy wonders how full-of-bugs it is >_>
[00:49] <eross> what is cloud computing, does it mean the pc will become less and less personal?
[00:52] <Twigathy> okay, earcandy is rather nice
[00:59] <eross> ack.. what is cloud? It's like I can play on my own server?
[01:06] <bjsnider> the cloud is a euphemistic reference to the internet
[01:14] <DanaG> I tried earcandy... and it just INSISTED ON BLASTING ME WITH FULL VOLUME, ALL THE TIME.
[01:14] <DanaG> Yeah, I was yelling on purpose there.
[01:14] <DanaG> It cranked the volume all the way up, and refused to let it go or stay any lower.
[01:15] <billybigrigger> DanaG, could that be due to a borked PA?
[01:15] <billybigrigger> the blasting of the full volume that is
[01:16] <Twigathy> DanaG: wow... that's not so good!
[01:16] <DanaG> No, it seemed to be due to flat volumes.
[01:16] <Twigathy> Mine is always on full volume, amp handles volume rather than PC
[01:16] <Twigathy> I think there's a flatvolumes=yes thing in one of the many pa conf files...
[01:17] <Twigathy> you could turn it off :o
[01:17] <DanaG> Yeah.  Flat volumes are a horrible interface.
[01:17] <Twigathy> personally I've not let upgrades overwrite my pa conf fora  while because I have it set up how I want it :>
[01:17] <DanaG> It may make sense in terms of audio quality... but in terms of user experience, it's horrible.
[01:18] <Twigathy> mmm
[01:18]  * Twigathy wonders if that sums up PA overall too c_c
[01:18] <DanaG> Nope, I like PA.
[01:18] <Twigathy> it's...okay
[01:19] <DanaG> PA is awesome... with the exception of flat volumes.
[01:19] <DanaG> I enjoy using the multi-device features.
[01:19] <Twigathy> ah, I only use one device
[01:19] <DanaG> I have a USB sound card, a bluetooth headset, and the onboard sound card in my laptop.
[01:19] <Twigathy> I can see how it is infinitely superior for multiple though
[01:19]  * BluesKaj has dumped all the that jacksh*t and amarok stuff for vlc
[01:19] <DanaG> VLC fails at subtitles.
[01:19] <BluesKaj> bah
[01:19] <Twigathy> vlc for movies, mplayer for everything else :)
[01:19] <BluesKaj> who cares
[01:20] <Twigathy> well, almost... vlc for anything with ac3 or dts soundtrack :D
[01:20] <DanaG> Not mkv stuff!
[01:20] <BluesKaj> too bad they screwed up aamrok so badly
[01:20] <BluesKaj> amarok
[01:20] <DanaG> I use quodlibet.
[01:20] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I actually managed to BLAST myself the other day, thanks to flat-volumes.
[01:21] <Twigathy> c_c
[01:21] <DanaG> Totem was inaudible, and I saw that the totem volume slider was down... so I figured I'd turn the app volume up.
[01:21] <DanaG> But it ALSO turned the sound card volume up!
[01:21] <BluesKaj>  mkv can be converted, well reconvert by ffmpeg ..mencoder default is crappy resolution
[01:21] <DanaG> I prefer just to play the things.  mplayer FTW.
[01:21] <Twigathy> DanaG: that's made of FAIL
[01:22] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:22] <DanaG> Glad I didn't have headphones on, or I would've hurt myself.
[01:22] <DanaG> That's dangerous.
[01:22] <bjsnider> there's no need to transocde or convert anything that's well-ripped
[01:22] <bjsnider> there's always a player that can handle it
[01:22] <Twigathy> in your /etc/pulse/ dir, there's a few conf files. One of them has 'flat-volumes = yes' commented out. Uncomment, add no, restart pulse.... no more flat volumes? ;)
[01:25] <BluesKaj> I use pytivo to send movies to the Tivo. It uses ffmpeg to convert on the fly ..but some stuff has to be converted to mpg and ffmpeg in the cli works very
[01:25] <BluesKaj> well
[01:26] <Twigathy> shinyness...
[01:35] <bjsnider> DanaG, the benchmark last night for nexuiz was 27.5 fps at 1680x1050
[01:35] <andresmujica> DanaG: you tell me, i've managed to blast my laptop's left speaker. it totally died because of high volume...
[01:39] <hggdh> yo andresmujica some days I do not see you :-)
[01:42] <hggdh> welcome back my friend / to the show that never ends / we are glad to have you here / come inside, come inside / (and it goes on...)
[01:43]  * BluesKaj listens to steely dan - josie , stream on pear radio
[01:43]  * hggdh still has Emerson, Lake & Palmer playing in his head
[01:45] <BluesKaj> ahhh Elmore James ..." it hurts me "
[01:52] <BluesKaj> hggdh, ELP ..havent listened to them for a while, many yrs in fact :(
[01:55] <hggdh> BluesKaj, yeah. Last time I saw them was in a concert at Concord, CA, about 12 years ago. And I lost the LP with the song (don't remember the LP title, just the song -- Karn Evil 9 --. But I remember the picture was of a skull
[01:55] <BluesKaj> Brain Salad Surgery
[01:55] <hggdh> YES!
[01:56]  * hggdh is extremely thankful (although doing a google right now). 
[01:56] <hggdh> Bloody song has been playing between my ears for the last 3 days ;-)
[01:57] <BluesKaj> must confess I looked it up , cuz i have just tarkus and that Best of that came out on cd back in the 90s
[01:57] <BluesKaj> still have Tarkus on vinyl tho
[01:58] <hggdh> all my plastic were given away when I did a continental move
[01:59] <BluesKaj> I put sonme vinyl on cd using audacity , but it's time consuming
[01:59] <hggdh> I moved *before* the CD being really common...
[02:00] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL
[02:09] <chester> hi people
[02:09] <rafael> hi
[02:11] <chester> i'm running a karmic version on my laptop, and around a week ago, i updated like i do everyday : it broke my NVIDIA 190.18, so i reinstalled them, and it also broke my network (less nice)
[02:11] <chester> my broadcom BCMxxxx is fine, lspci detects it, then i looked to ifconfig, everything looks fine, but i can't ping my gateway, network unreachable, plus i have no route to it...
[02:12] <chester> same for my wlan0
[02:13] <rafael> network-manager is changing
[02:13] <hggdh> chester, at about this time a bad apport was uploaded -- which broke network
[02:13] <rafael> it can be the cause
[02:13] <chester> when i use nm gnome applet, the behaviour is basically that it remains in the 2 green balls states
[02:13] <hggdh> perhaps you could try & see if there is a new apport available since your last update
[02:14] <chester> that's the problem, i can't update anything...
[02:14] <hggdh> or you can try 'sudo service apport stop', and then see if you can connect
[02:15] <chester> i'm gonna try
[02:16] <chester> the thing is, even in recovery mode, terminal with internet connection
[02:17] <chester> it doesn't work
[02:17] <chester> i guess apport doesn't start in this mode
[02:17] <kn100> just thought i would say that i installed karmic and it broke my wireless, more details on request
[02:17] <hggdh> did you stop apport?
[02:17] <kn100> it works fine in 8.10 and 9.04 with no modification
[02:19] <chester> well, i was in recovery mode, i'm gonna try in "normal" mode now
[02:20] <chester> network still unreachable
[02:20] <kn100> yes i have reported a bug, but it hasnt been triaged yet, i assume they are waiting for feature freeze before attending to bugs
[02:23] <andresmujica> hggdh: Hi h, what's up?
[02:24] <hggdh> hi andresmujica we had been wondering where you (and charlie) were ;-)
[02:24] <hggdh> welcome back!
[02:25] <chester> so i stopped apport, and my network is still broken
[02:26] <hggdh> then it is not the same issue, chester  kn100 stated a similar issue, perhaps it would be good to exchange data
[02:26] <kn100> i am on an rt73 based card, 9.10 picks up the card, but will not scan
[02:26] <kn100> it just lists no networks
[02:27] <kn100> its an edimax ew7318usg, and thinking about it I am not 100% sure it is rt73, i know its ralink
[02:27] <chester> can you know when the broken apport was commited?
[02:27] <hggdh> dammit!
[02:28] <hggdh> *not* apport, but apparmor
[02:28] <chester> xD
[02:28]  * hggdh is extremely sorry for the dumb mistake
[02:28] <chester> :D
[02:28] <chester> i'll try
[02:28] <hggdh> blame it on the newcastle brown ale. Good, but with a bit of alcohol
[02:33] <chester> i wanted to believe it, but it doesn't look like solving any of my problem
[02:33] <chester> s
[02:33] <chester> :(
[02:33] <hggdh> still fails?
[02:34] <chester> yes, network unreachable
[02:34] <hggdh> current apparmour is 2.3.1+1403-0ubuntu9
[02:36] <hggdh> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/408773
[02:38] <chester> that sounds good
[02:38] <chester> i have the  2.3.1+1403-0ubuntu8
[02:40] <hggdh> yes. You *need* 0ubuntu9. I have heard of some additional issues, but I have not follwed on them. But certainly you need the 0ubuntu9
[02:41] <hggdh> my experience, corroborated by others, is that 'sudo service apparmor stop' would allow you to connect. In my case, after stopping apparmour, I have to try to reconnect
[02:46] <chester> i that's what i meant : it sounds good, because it looks like it's my bug
[02:48] <hggdh> I hope this is it, for you ;-)
[02:56] <chester> Victory! Just had to force dhclient
[02:58] <chester> thank you hggdh :)
[03:00] <hggdh> chester, glad I was able to help (after a bit of a, er, misnomers). So, time for another beer, Cheers.
[03:00] <chester> cheers, i just finished my hoegaarden :)
[03:01] <hggdh> oh, in Belgium?
[03:01] <chester> France, but belgium is close to paris ;)
[03:02] <hggdh> ah, OK. I did not find any decent beer in France (except for a pub sporting guinness
[03:02] <hggdh> anyway. Salut.
[03:50] <DWonderly> Anyone know what channel is the UNR Channel?
[04:31] <kholerabbi> Can anybody test this if this is fixed in Karmic, Bug #411242?
[04:32] <cwillu> kholerabbi, first impression from the bug title is that is a very hard problem to solve
[04:33] <cwillu> you could hack a workaround by checking if /media/ is in the path, and the last section that exists is /media/foo/, but that's not a general solution
[04:34] <cwillu> you'd have to maintain some metadata, making an association between the link name and the filesystem is was originally mounted on
[04:34] <cwillu> and that still leaves the obvious objection that the link is legitimately broken if the target is on an umounted partition
[04:35] <cwillu> having said all that :p
[04:35] <cwillu> kholerabbi, are you referring to symlinks or nautilus launchers?
[04:38] <cwillu> basically, there's nothing special about a folder that can tell you that it used to be a mount point or what was mounted on it.
[05:57] <billybigrigger> anyone here having virtualbox problems?
[05:57] <billybigrigger> comlaining about installing the ose-source packages when they are already installed?
[09:21] <richardcavell> Am I the only one who has no sound with the new audio updates?
[09:23] <richardcavell> And my Sound preferences window is incredibly slow
[09:29] <richardcavell> Oh my SP window is very slow because it has to load so many aplay executables that did not play successfully.
[09:44] <mac_v> richardcavell: nope... you are not alone... ;)  just keep doing $ pulseaudio -k
[09:44] <mac_v> several times till sound is restored
[09:47] <richardcavell> mac_v: thanks for that tip
[09:47] <richardcavell> I was doing it manually in System Monitor
[09:49] <richardcavell> mac_v: But that just kills off the spare aplay processes
[09:49] <richardcavell> my sound is not working
[09:50] <mac_v> richardcavell: what are you trying to play?
[09:50] <richardcavell> Youtube
[09:52] <mac_v> richardcavell: ah... flash wont work properly.... if you want sound... check if sound is working... if not close the you tube tab , keep doing the command and now again open the tab.... now you will have sound in the video...
[09:53] <mac_v> richardcavell: or... i have another workaround... find the clip in the /tmp folder and play it with vlc...
[10:01] <richardcavell> mac_v: I don't have sound
[10:01] <richardcavell> I've closed down Firefox
[10:01] <richardcavell> and restarted
[10:01] <richardcavell> there are no aplays any more
[10:01] <richardcavell> still no sound
[10:02] <mac_v> richardcavell: try with vlc and the /tmp folder... if that doesnt work ... i'm out of ideas then...
[10:02] <richardcavell> :( I don't want to play youtube under vlc
[10:02] <richardcavell> everything worked fine until these pulseaudio updates
[13:19] <richardcavell> I'm trying to install eclipse from Karmic repo but it won't work
[13:20] <richardcavell> it claims that it can't satisfy dependencies but it can
[13:22] <coz_> richardcavell,   can you pastebin the readout?
[13:24] <richardcavell> coz_: http://pastebin.com/f658d2352
[13:24] <coz_> richardcavell,   are these dependecies in the repository?
[13:25] <richardcavell> yep
[13:25] <coz_> richardcavell,  same version numbers ?
[13:25] <richardcavell> y
[13:25] <coz_> richardcavell,  try sudo apt-get install -f
[13:25] <richardcavell> nope
[13:25] <coz_> mmm
[13:25] <richardcavell> doesn't work, same result
[13:26] <richardcavell> what's the command to check the repo version of something?  I'm using synaptic package manager to do it
[13:26] <coz_> richardcavell,  then apparenlty  they are not actually available are being held back for some reason
[13:26] <coz_> richardcavell,  synaptic should be fine for that
[13:26] <coz_> richardcavell,  not sure of the command for it though
[13:27] <richardcavell> If I try to install the dependencies they don't work either
[13:28] <coz_> richardcavell,  then someone closer associated with what is on the repo might have more info...I would stick around and ask again     sorry I dont have a solution for you
[13:28] <richardcavell> coz_: that's okay
[13:30] <richardcavell> How do I find out who's responsible for that package?
[13:33] <coz_> richardcavell,  thats a good question   which package is this again?
[13:33] <richardcavell> eclipse
[13:34] <richardcavell> I just looked it up on launchpad - someone's already reported a bug about this
[13:34] <richardcavell> by the way, to check a repo version it's apt-cache policy packagename
[13:34] <coz_> richardcavell,  that would most likely be the eclipse developers  and ubuntu devs may not have gotten to that applications requjirements   you may want to post this on the karmic  bug reports  as well as going to #eclipse   if it exists although they cant fix the ubuntu lack of dependencies
[13:35] <coz_> richardcavell, ok  then that is where the answer will come from ..the bug report
[13:35] <torkiano> hello, I'm using karmic and I have not sound on my Dell m1330, anybody know if this is a know bug?
[13:36] <torkiano> Any link where I can search for info about sound?
[13:36] <coz_> torkiano,  not sure  but if you open a terminal and type    alsamixer   you can see if the volume is down or muted
[13:36] <coz_> tomsku,  also if the card has been recognized
[13:38] <richardcavell> torkiano: The new Pulse Audio updates have completed *%!ed my system's sound
[13:38] <torkiano> richardcavell, :)
[13:38] <richardcavell> and plenty of people were saying the same thing after the updates came through about a week ago
[13:39] <torkiano> We are bleending edges; it's normal ;)
[13:39] <richardcavell> Well what annoys me is that it worked fine until someone decided to fix something that wasn't broken
[13:40] <torkiano> richardcavell, bug report?
[13:41] <richardcavell> torkiano: I haven't checked.  I've been too busy filing bug reports on about 30 other things X(
[13:43] <torkiano> Maybe the cause is the upgrade to pulseaudio 0.9.16 version
[13:43] <TylerR> has anyone found a workaround for the gdmsetup failure on application startup??
[13:44] <torkiano> 0.9.16 come with new great features: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/oh-nine-sixteen.html
[13:57] <torkiano> is there a channel about sound issues?
[14:00] <kklimonda> tomsku: #ubuntu-audio-help but only dtchen idles there most of the time
[14:02] <torkiano> kklimonda, thank you
[14:33] <Ng> --help
[14:46] <BluesKaj> heyas all
[15:19] <Ian_> hai
[15:20] <Ian_> anyone here having problems with grub2 and --no-floppy?
[15:27] <skazi21101> i have a problem with busybox. when i trying to install ubuntu from dvd or cd it loses my cd-drive and fails to busybox. it started from 8.04. and i don`t know how to install ubuntu on my asus x51rl
[15:28] <skazi21101> help me somebody
[15:32] <gnomefreak> skazi21101: 9.04?
[15:33] <skazi21101> yes
[15:33] <gnomefreak> skazi21101: join #ubuntu and ask
[15:33] <skazi21101> just asked. no answer
[15:34] <gnomefreak> skazi21101: this channel is only for support with latest development sysle release
[15:35] <skazi21101> why not help me? or its not good to help whose who need help?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> skazi21101, you might get more help at #kubuntu
[15:37] <BluesKaj> or #ubuntu
[15:38] <hggdh> I already told him that on -bugs. Although I understand the frustration -- and think we have to go back to the mail thread about it -- *here* is still not the place
[15:39] <gnomefreak> skazi21101: read the topic for more info
[15:39] <scizzo-> anyone else has problems with pulseaudio recognizing the sound card? but the music is playing?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> scizzo-, there's something weird going on with pulseaudio ...apt tells me it's not installed yet there it is, 3rd in the list,  in my system settings/multimedia/music/device preference
[15:47] <BluesKaj> and the test works with it
[15:47] <bjsnider> you ripped it out?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> removed pulseaudio ?
[15:48] <bjsnider> yeah
[15:48] <scizzo-> BluesKaj: well after a upgrade it seems like that permissions have changed or something
[15:48] <BluesKaj> not that I recall
[15:50] <BluesKaj> it's supposed to have replaced esd as the sound server
[15:56] <bmunger> is firefox 3.5 going to be the default firefox package?
[15:56] <bjsnider> yes, in karmic
[15:56] <bjsnider> not jaunty
[15:57] <bmunger> right this channel is about karmic i thought
[15:58] <bmunger> im just surprised that firefox 3.5 has been out for a long time now and still its 3.0 on karmic
[15:58] <BluesKaj> 3.5 is still beta , is it not ?
[15:58] <bjsnider> no
[15:58] <bmunger> no
[15:58] <scizzo-> BluesKaj: no
[15:58] <bjsnider> it was released a couple of weeks ago
[15:59] <BluesKaj> ok ok
[15:59] <bmunger> probably close to a month ago
[15:59] <bjsnider> there's still a font rendering bug in ff 3.5
[15:59] <BluesKaj> i don';y use it anymore . doesn't render a lot of sitesimages properly
[16:00] <bjsnider> i was talking to themozillateam about it last night, they said submit a bug, blah, blah ,blah
[16:00] <bmunger> yea bug reporting usually doesnt get anything done
[16:00] <bmunger> i submit bugs to ubuntu and they never get touched
[16:00] <bjsnider> ff 3.5 won't render urw chancery l
[16:01] <bjsnider> and apparently has some inconsistencies with some other fonts too
[16:01] <gnomefreak> the reason it is not named firefox is because we only use official branding for 1 firefox package. once 3.0 is removed we will rename shiretoko to firefox
[16:01] <scizzo-> bmunger: I hardly believe that bugs that you report are never touched
[16:01] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: file the font bug Alexander should look at it sonnish
[16:01] <bmunger> probably read but ignored
[16:01] <bmunger> its no big deal
[16:01] <scizzo-> bmunger: maybe set to incomplete, need more info or so
[16:02] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, i'll get around to it
[16:02] <BluesKaj> konqueror is a bit slower to load but it does show mostly everything on sites , even gmail :)
[16:02] <bmunger> nobody usually responds to them.. i had one that was responded to.. no developer input either
[16:02] <gnomefreak> the 3 of us that do most of mozilla bugs look at them at least 1-2 times a week. i look at most but i cant look at all all the time
[16:03] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: that is why it takes us a while to get to your bugs :)
[16:03] <bmunger> im sure they know about these bugs but dont have the time to check or update the bug
[16:03] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, i have to test all other ubuntu fonts though. how can i trust it? is thre a text list of all fonts installed by default on an ubuntu system?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> chromium, once they have it done is prolly gonna be my fav browser
[16:03] <bmunger> i use firefox all the time i dont see waht the problem you have with it
[16:03] <bmunger> all sites i go to look just fine
[16:04] <BluesKaj> FF3.0 doesn't run properly and they're already #rd generation at 3.6 ...what gives ?
[16:04] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: yes IIRC there is you can look in synaptic and search for fonts, locate fonts | less may help as well but off hand i dont recall
[16:04] <bjsnider> isn't it just "chrome"?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> 3rd
[16:04] <gnomefreak> first look at theme you are using make sure its not causing your problem
[16:04] <BluesKaj> chromium-browser
[16:05] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, everybody i've asked to check the chancery problem has the same problem. we're not all using the same theme
[16:05] <BluesKaj> http://build.chromium.org/
[16:07] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, chancery what ?
[16:07] <bjsnider> sigh
[16:08] <bjsnider> http://www.codestyle.org/servlets/FontSampler?class=URWChanceryL&font=URW%20Chancery%20L&compare=normal
[16:08] <bjsnider> look at that in ff 3.5 and 3.0
[16:08] <bjsnider> you see the diff?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> can't :)
[16:08] <bjsnider> ok, whatever
[16:09] <BluesKaj> in konq I see 2 diff fonts
[16:10] <bjsnider> chancery is a cursive font. it should look like calligraphy
[16:10] <bjsnider> ff 3.5 skips it and renders the default sans font instead
[16:11] <BluesKaj> one is graphically fancier than the other on both chromium and konqueror
[16:11] <bjsnider> those browsers are doing their jobs
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ok, good
[16:12] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: on bug when you feel like filing add screenshots of right one and wrong one.
[16:12] <bjsnider> copy that, sir
[16:12] <BluesKaj> wonder if ff on windows renders that site properly
[16:12] <bjsnider> it does
[16:12] <bjsnider> and on mac too
[16:12] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:13] <scizzo-> bjsnider: wiat
[16:13]  * gnomefreak finished, work has been nothing but a pain this morning. ill be here a bit longer just wont be working on anything outside chat
[16:13] <bjsnider> it's just the font, not the site at large
[16:13] <scizzo-> bjsnider: you mean that linux ff 3.5 is not rendering it ok?
[16:13] <bjsnider> yes, affirmative
[16:13] <BluesKaj> so mozilla is falling down on the job with their linux browsers
[16:14] <scizzo-> bjsnider: so this means that its not a general firefox bug but a bug from linux rendering that font?
[16:14] <bjsnider> maybe the non-ubuntu shiretokos work, i don't know
[16:14] <bjsnider> it is a shiretoko bug, beyond that i have no idea
[16:15] <scizzo-> good
[16:15] <bjsnider> i don't especially care if it works on another distro
[16:15] <bjsnider> i don't use other distros
[16:15] <scizzo-> then report it to the mozilla team for ubuntu
[16:15] <bjsnider> i did so last ngiht
[16:15] <bjsnider> they said submit a bug
[16:15] <bjsnider> and they confirmed it, by the way
[16:16] <scizzo-> there you go then
[16:16] <bjsnider> but i have to test all of the other fonts first, because i don't think i can trust shiretoko with them if chancery fails, can i?
[16:17] <bjsnider> i have to phony up a reference page, and i'd appreciate a list of all ubuntu fonts
[16:17] <bjsnider> that i can copy-paste
[16:17] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: do you remember who you spoke to that confirmed it?
[16:17] <bjsnider> nick started with m
[16:17] <bjsnider> it wasn't asac
[16:17] <gnomefreak> mich...
[16:18] <gnomefreak> cant recall spelling of his nick
[16:18] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, FF 3.0.13 renders it fine
[16:18] <bjsnider> right
[16:18] <scizzo-> bjsnider: you have the bug number?
[16:18] <bjsnider> i haven't filed it yet
[16:18] <scizzo-> ooo
[16:18] <scizzo-> ok
[16:19] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: heres not here yet for the day. if im around later i will talk to him to get more info asac is at a late lunch
[16:19] <bjsnider> i'm not filing a chancery bug and then finding out later t hat it also affects other fonts
[16:19] <bjsnider> actually the guy i talked to last night thought other fonts looked different compared to 3.0
[16:19] <gnomefreak> sometime in the next day or 2 i will catch up with him. if i dont see him tomorrow i will email him or email our ML to find out more info
[16:20] <scizzo-> bjsnider: why not just say "font rendering error in firefox 3.5" instead of targeting a single font/fonts?
[16:20] <bjsnider> well, i could doth at, but i'd like to humour them with specifics
[16:20] <scizzo-> bjsnider: others might notice other fonts that they can add to the bug also so
[16:20] <gnomefreak> but mention in the desciption (not the title) what fonts you are using and what ones you have tried
[16:21] <scizzo-> gnomefreak is the master he knows what to do... :)
[16:21] <bjsnider> that's what i was saying last night. i'm having trouble coming up with this bug title: "firefox 3.5 fonts are effed up"
[16:22] <bjsnider> he's the jedi master?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> interesting FF3.0.13 has named itself  "A Web Browser"
[16:22] <bjsnider> is he on the council?
[16:23] <Trewas> bjsnider: that font seems to be missing also when using upstream (mozilla.org) ff 3.5.2
[16:23] <bjsnider> i'm using 3.5.3 i think
[16:23] <bjsnider> if it's an upstream bug and not specifically in the ubuntu builds, then why does the mac version work?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, no matter which FF browser , they still wont render the cbc captioned images at all
[16:26] <Trewas> bjsnider: I'd imagine font handling is very different in linux and mac, doesn't seem suprising if they have different bugs
[16:27] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, huh?
[16:28] <Trewas> bjsnider: anyway I'd recommend filing that bug directly to mozilla.org because it is present also in their version, I doubt ubuntu has so many people working with firefox packages that they'll be able to do anything to it
[16:29] <BluesKaj> take a at www.cbc.ca , the caption about donald marshall's funeral has a picture inside of the church...on FF there is no pictiure at all
[16:29] <BluesKaj> look
[16:34] <gnomefreak> Trewas: firefox is being actively worked on by 2 of us (im not included i have enough of my own to deal with) if you file bug upstream please make sure to file one with LP as well so we can track it. just leave bug link for upstream on LP bug
[16:35] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: i see a picture there
[16:36] <x1250> guys, is anyone having problems to play HD video files? I'm having problems with totem and vlc, too slow, very choppy. But mplayer is alright. Any one? I can upload some 20MB HD mov, if anyone wants to try.
[16:36] <gnomefreak> if you mean the section that has 3 pictures side by side under CBC News
[16:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:37] <gnomefreak> i see it fine in 3.5
[16:37] <BluesKaj> then what's happening with FF3.0 ?
[16:38] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: dont know i dont have it installed
[16:38] <BluesKaj> didn't work in 3.5 for me either or even 3.6
[16:38] <gnomefreak> should but sorry enough ff browser already
[16:38] <gnomefreak> s/firefox/mozilla
[16:39] <gnomefreak> ok thats it for me this patch has me way to frustrated to be here.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> hmmFF3.5 complained about the wrong xulrunner version
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Mozilla XULRunner 1.9.0.13
[16:57] <kayess> !grub2
[16:59] <billybigrigger> kayess, what's your problem?
[17:09] <kayess> billybigrigger: Having trouble with a couple of laptops that I upgraded to karmic which were originally installed with encrypted disks from jaunty alpha 2
[17:09] <billybigrigger> ok, whats the trouble?
[17:09] <kayess> With the karmic kernel the disks seem to appear with a different uuid
[17:10] <kayess> So they don't mount
[17:10] <billybigrigger> edit your fstab accordingly?
[17:10] <kayess> That's a good suggestion. Using ash I couldn't find any fstab though -- isn't that later?
[17:11] <billybigrigger> later?
[17:11] <billybigrigger> i don't get ya
[17:11] <billybigrigger> can you boot at all?
[17:11] <billybigrigger> or is grub having problems finding the uuid's too?
[17:11] <kayess> This is during the initial splash screen part of the boot -- is fstab copied from the encrypted volume?
[17:11] <billybigrigger> honestly, i don't know, i've never used encrypted disks
[17:18] <EagleScreen> Can I disable UXA (intel) in karmic?
[18:01] <alteregoa> no
[18:01] <oly562> i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. Any suggestions?
[18:02] <alteregoa> yeah replace the inks
[18:03] <alteregoa> oly: are you using cascaded dhcp routers?
[18:14] <oly562> alteregoa: good question, i have one linksys wire router, and one wireless print server, no second router
[18:28] <oly562> i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. I switched from 8.04 LTS to 9.0 and i just noticed this happenin
[18:32] <BluesKaj> oly562, you skipped an OS ,so wicd and other apps may not have upgraded
[18:32] <oly562> thats true BluesKaj, but why would that matter with one ip and can ping the rest of the world?
[18:32] <oly562> im talking to you from the laptop wirelessly
[18:32] <oly562> :|
[18:33] <oly562> all other devices on this network can ping the device in question from anywhere in my net, just not this laptop
[18:33] <oly562> the only truth, this is a wireless laptop
[18:34] <BluesKaj> try upgrading wicd
[18:34] <BluesKaj> or reinstalling
[18:34] <oly562> everything else is wired, and the Linksys, i.e., GW can also ping the device
[18:34] <oly562> hmmmm
[18:34] <oly562> maybe that's it
[18:34] <oly562> maybe i am too far from the print server
[18:34] <oly562> even though its in the next room with the door open
[18:35] <BluesKaj> it should see it
[18:35] <oly562> maybe this nic doesnt have the power it needs anymore... and that may point to the drivers of the nic, which may have changed,,, signal strengh setting locally
[18:35] <oly562> hmmm
[18:35] <oly562> that sorta makes sense
[18:35] <oly562> ill give that a try
[18:35] <oly562> if not, i will be back
[18:35] <BluesKaj> I havent set up my laptop to a print server yet ...I should try it
[18:36] <BluesKaj> bbl too, gonna switch back to ethernet
[18:45] <bjsnider> alright i've got a partially constructed font reference document here: http://i-ville.net/fonts.html
[18:55] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, yeah on konq lines 5&6 are the same , as are 12&13  , 17&18, 19,21,23
[18:56] <bjsnider> i'm going to add superscript numbering and a list of the fonts in use at the bottom
[18:59] <BluesKaj> looks the same on chromium
[18:59] <bjsnider> canadians can't use kde
[18:59] <bjsnider> by law
[19:04] <Pricey> oly562: Are you using Karmic?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> who's law ?
[19:10] <oly562> no
[19:10] <oly562> Pricey: no
[19:11] <oly562>  i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. I switched from 8.04 LTS to 9.0 and i just noticed this happeni
[19:13] <Pricey> oly562: This channel is for Ubuntu 9.10, the Karmic Koala. #ubuntu supports released versions of Ubuntu.
[19:20] <oly562> ok... i just upgraded from 1.5. to 1.6 wicd
[19:21] <oly562> BluesKaj:
[19:21] <oly562> i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. I switched from 8.04 LTS to 9.0 and i just noticed this happenin
[19:21] <oly562> brb goona reboot, even that i shouldn't have to
[19:21] <Pricey> oly562: This channel is for Karmic only. Please see #ubuntu
[19:24] <dupondje> hmz, is there a way to let cp create the dir: like cp file nonexistingdir/file ?
[19:24] <dupondje> and that it creates the nonexisting dir ?
[19:27] <Pricey> dupondje: you probably want to mkdir -p first
[19:39] <proq> !backup
[19:45] <DanaG> hmm, right now I use faubackup for backups.  We really need some sort of "Time Machine" thingy -- hourly differential backups, and of whole machine, not just home dir!
[19:49] <DanaG> hmm, anybody else have an issue where grub shows entries for other-OS things, TWICE?
[19:50] <DanaG> I see my two karmic kernels at top, and then Windows, and then a list of kernels in my Jaunty, and then Windows, and then a list of kernels in my Jaunty.
[19:50] <DanaG> And yes, I did copy-and paste and repeat myself -- exactly my point.
[20:06] <BUGabundo> boas
[20:18] <oly562> question - how can i get my smb server to show up in Places > Network file browser? and be listed? my other server is in the garage, and is running the smb, nmb process. i can browse to it this way, but the printer is not showing up. may i see a working config from someone? thanks
[20:19] <oly562> i can pastelink a testparm smb.conf if you need one
[20:20] <BUGabundo> oly562: hi
[20:20] <BUGabundo> you must ADD it
[20:20] <BUGabundo> Places->Connect to server
[20:20] <oly562> ill try that,, sb
[20:22] <oly562> its odd, in the past i used another program, i forgot the name, right now a DBus error shows up, and like i said, its already mounted. im talking about my print server showing up in browse like it used to...
[20:22] <oly562> Mountpoint Already registered
[20:25] <oly562> ok, let me try it this way, in the past, wps1 used to show up under windoze networking in Network File Browser.  now, it doesnt show up. i think i was running some type of ftp auto thingy, that showed all my smb shares, including the wireless print server aka wps1
[20:25] <Pici> oly562: Did it stop working when you installed Karmic?
[20:26] <oly562> now nothing show up unless i manually control - L and put the smb://whatever/share  then it prompts to log in, works fine
[20:26] <oly562> pici i dont know about karmic
[20:26] <oly562> sb
[20:26] <oly562> i dont have that loaded at present, nor did i before i believe
[20:26] <Pici> oly562: This channel is only for Karmic 9.10 issues, if you are running an earlier version of Ubuntu then you need to ask in #ubuntu.
[20:27] <oly562> im running 9.10
[20:27] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:27] <oly562> stop pointing me to ubuntu
[20:27] <BUGabundo> karmic koala is code name for 9.10
[20:27] <oly562> ic
[20:27] <oly562> thanks BUGabundo
[20:27] <BUGabundo> np
[20:27] <BUGabundo> !codename
[20:27] <BUGabundo> !codenames
[20:27] <oly562> so.... any suggestions?
[20:27] <oly562> oh and i thought 9.10 is jaunty
[20:28] <slacker_nl> no, 9.04 is jaunty
[20:28] <oly562> pici if you don't have a clue, then don't respond, i only want to hear from people who know ubuntu indepth
[20:29] <oly562> ic slacker_nl
[20:29] <oly562> people who know the system indepth don't point people elsewhere
[20:29] <Pricey> oly562: This channel is for Karmic support only.
[20:29] <Pricey> oly562: 9.10
[20:29] <BUGabundo> oly562: please don't tell ppl to shut up
[20:29] <oly562> i have to
[20:29] <oly562> they bore and disturb the issue
[20:29] <BUGabundo> oly562: pici is one of the old guys around
[20:29] <slacker_nl> hehe, pici is also in #ubuntu, so he can help you there.. or not ;)
[20:30] <oly562> i have spoke to him b4
[20:30] <oly562> he tells people to reinstall
[20:30] <oly562> lame
[20:30] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[20:30] <oly562> you know im speaking the truth
[20:30] <oly562> anyfoo, people who know, help other nixians
[20:31] <BUGabundo> I don't
[20:31] <Pici> oly562: Just because you are banned from #ubuntu doesn't mean that the other channel rules are suspended so that you can get support.
[20:31] <BUGabundo> I can't be on #ubuntu
[20:31] <BUGabundo> to noisy
[20:31] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:31] <oly562> i dont really like that room
[20:31] <BUGabundo> he is banned ?ahahah
[20:31] <oly562> never did
[20:31] <Pricey> oly562: This channel is for Karmic discussion only. Please also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[20:31] <BUGabundo> ohhh
[20:32] <BUGabundo> he was still calm!
[20:32] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:34] <BUGabundo> !ping
[20:34] <BUGabundo> ok so this is still alive
[20:34]  * BUGabundo goes testing xmpp
[20:39] <slacker_nl> anyone familiar with kde/
[20:39] <slacker_nl> ?
[20:43] <BUGabundo> some are slacker_nl
[20:43] <BUGabundo> !ask | slacker_nl
[20:43] <slacker_nl> pff
[20:43] <slacker_nl> no one can tell me which kde component is responsible for the login/logout/shutdown options?
[20:44] <slacker_nl> from 2 kde channels, so i just asked here to see if there are kde users
[20:44] <slacker_nl> if not, not going to bother ;)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> ehe
[20:44] <BUGabundo> you can try #kubuntu-devel
[20:45] <slacker_nl> that is one of the kde channels i'm in
[20:45] <slacker_nl> both #kde and kubuntu-devel are none responsice
[20:46] <slacker_nl> just want to create an upstream bug for karmic kde
[20:46] <alteregoa> i use ubuntu SE
[20:46] <alteregoa> karmic SE
[20:46] <BUGabundo> Satanicccccccc
[20:47] <slacker_nl> what is SE?
[20:47] <alteregoa> satanic edition
[20:47] <slacker_nl> uhhhkay
[20:47] <slacker_nl> that is christian edition without the pr0n filter?
[20:47] <alteregoa> it runs damn stable and its a hell faster
[20:48] <mac_v> slacker_nl: i would guess the opposite ;p
[20:48] <alteregoa> no thats the mohammic edition with 9year old aisha
[20:48] <slacker_nl> mac_v: that is the opposite right?
[20:48] <slacker_nl> CE had all kinds of filters and bible stuff
[20:49] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: haahahaaha lovely word joke
[20:49] <alteregoa> thanks god i don't believe this religious bullshit
[20:49] <mac_v> alteregoa: amen to that ;p
[20:49] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: language!!!
[20:49] <mac_v> me neither
[20:49] <slacker_nl> the lord will save you once you make the switch
[20:49] <slacker_nl> promise!
[20:50] <alteregoa> ok starwaste is a better expression
[20:50] <mac_v> slacker_nl: why do you think i need to be saved ;p i'm happy in devil's playground :)
[20:50] <alteregoa> cause we are made of stars
[20:52] <slacker_nl> mac_v: i dunno, that's what they say
[20:53] <mac_v> IMO , all the problems in the world are mostly due to religion , and people strict about their faith! people need to chill and enjoy life and not harm others
[20:54] <slacker_nl> don't need to convice me
[20:54] <slacker_nl> i'm 100% a non-believer
[20:54] <slacker_nl> only religiion I like are budhists
[20:54] <Pici> !offtopic
[20:55] <mac_v> lol Pici
[20:56] <BUGabundo> mac_v: no. he is right (this time) :)
[20:56] <BUGabundo> you guys are pushing the line here
[20:56] <mac_v> i know...
[20:56] <mac_v> BUGabundo: hei ... i didnt start though ;p
[20:58] <Pici> That doesn't mean you can't tell someone else to stay on topic.
[20:58] <BUGabundo> mac_v: doent mather who started it! but who keeps it
[20:58]  * mac_v closes his mouth
[21:00]  * BUGabundo wishs PPA had supersed apt repo :(
[21:00] <mac_v> BUGabundo: i never found the gnome 3.0 ppa! google / ppa finder dint help :(
[21:02] <BUGabundo> anyone filed a bug on Nautilus for its lost icons?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> that's the correct procedure right?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> file bugs per package?
[21:03] <mac_v> BUGabundo: already exists
[21:03] <mac_v> lat me get the bug#
[21:03] <mac_v> BUGabundo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590647
[21:04] <BUGabundo> not the general bug
[21:04] <BUGabundo> the other for each app
[21:04] <mac_v> that's for  nautilus ,
[21:04] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:04] <mac_v> BUGabundo: others reported are totem and gedit
[21:04] <BUGabundo> not GNOME in general?
[21:04] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[21:04] <BUGabundo> nice
[21:05] <mac_v> interested in fixing them up?
[21:05] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:05] <BUGabundo> just in reporting them
[21:05] <mac_v> BUGabundo: great
[21:05] <mac_v> BUGabundo: there has been 1 user who wants to fix them... pls notify me if you file a bug
[21:05] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:08] <BUGabundo> dinner
[21:08] <BUGabundo> ola joao
[21:26] <Twigathy> grrr, mplayer being buggy tonight. Pauses and then everything goes quickly and then black screen and then ...
[21:27] <Twigathy> audio fine, video wibbley as anything
[21:28] <Twigathy> hm, -vo gl2 seems to be better :O
[21:28] <Twigathy> ack, or not
[21:32] <dupondje> pom :)
[21:32] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 <- could somebody confirm this ?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> dupondje: still that bug??
[21:37] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[21:38] <aboSamoor> dupondje, testing the aptitude update
[21:38] <dupondje> somebody needs to confirm it :) so it gets more attention ;)
[21:38] <BUGabundo> damn
[21:38] <BUGabundo> lost audio again
[21:38] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:38] <dupondje> its a quite annoying bug imo :(
[21:38] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, kill pulseaudio ;)
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:39] <BUGabundo> but that won't work for pidgin
[21:39] <BUGabundo> until I restart it
[21:42] <aboSamoor> is autoaway working with empathy ? is there any autobusy functionality in empathy ?
[21:48]  * mac_v loves BUGabundo suffers the same bug for once... hates his response of WFM! ;p
[21:49] <BUGabundo> :D
[21:54] <x1250> wohoo, firefox 3.5 on repos :D
[21:54] <dupondje> since
[21:55] <dupondje> euh
[21:55] <dupondje> 1 month ?
[21:55] <dupondje> lol
[21:55] <x1250> well, let me rephrase, firefox 3.0 kaput!
[21:56] <kklimonda> ech, the new firefox-3.5 icon is ugly
[21:56] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:57] <BUGabundo> no
[21:58] <x1250> haha my browser experience has just been destroyed: "<window id="main-window" :/
[21:59] <aboSamoor> do you know how can emulate the behavior of being away using dbus ?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Aug 10 22:13:35 BluBUG kernel: [ 9029.917169] sd 13:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Aug 10 22:13:35 BluBUG kernel: [ 9196.016215] usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 7
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Aug 10 22:13:35 BluBUG kernel: [ 9196.017317] FAT: bread failed in fat_clusters_flush
[22:20] <BluesKaj> sticking with konqueror for a while , FF is broken on my setup and chromium, rekonq and arora are either troublesome (noplugins) or boring (rekonq and arora)
[22:43] <mac_v> BUGabundo: came up with any icon bugs?
[22:44] <DanaG> grr, wtf... vbox isn't offering USB!
[22:44] <DanaG>  /proc/bus/usb does not exist!
[22:45] <DanaG>  * Filesystem type 'usbfs' is not supported. Skipping mount.
[23:04] <pendevil> time
[23:04] <pendevil> hello
[23:06] <diverse_izzue> DanaG, I think only the closed-source version from Sun does USB, not the opensource edition
[23:06] <pendevil> I made a fresh ubuntu Karmic-Alpha-3 install on my machine (gnome). There was also a function to completly deactivate my touchpad.
[23:07] <DanaG> I have the closed-source version.  It turns out I just wasn't in vboxusers group.
[23:08] <pendevil> But after the update, this function was gone!?! Impossible to completely deactivate my touchpad after update?
[23:08] <pendevil> What happened
[23:08] <pendevil> ?
[23:08] <diverse_izzue> pendevil, the mouse capplet in gnome has seen some touchpad related updates in the 2.27 cycle.
[23:08] <diverse_izzue> maybe you should file a bug with gnome about it
[23:09] <pendevil> I see
[23:11] <pendevil> Ok. If this issue isn't already known, I'll make a bug report
[23:12] <pendevil> I'm also missing this function in Kubuntu. But there, it was never there
[23:52] <proq> which package has the md5 tool that generates checksums from files on the hard disk?
[23:52] <proq> such as "md5 -q foo" => 34ba9c3924e32a9423
[23:53] <joaopinto> Pricey, the command is md5sum, it's installed by default
[23:53] <joaopinto> ops, was proq
[23:54] <proq> aha, thanks
[23:55] <Pici> its in coreutils