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* BUGabundo echo sleep > /etc/mode && /home/BUGabundo reload00:06
haagarcan I use the jaunty repo to install virtualbox in karmic?00:25
billybigriggerwhat's wrong with karmic repos?00:28
Twigathyok, this is pretty cool... http://rorr.im/digg.com/linux_unix/earcandy_is_the_next_cool_thing_you_want_in_linux/00:45
Twigathy:O it's in the karmic repos!00:45
* Twigathy wonders how full-of-bugs it is >_>00:45
erosswhat is cloud computing, does it mean the pc will become less and less personal?00:49
Twigathyokay, earcandy is rather nice00:52
erossack.. what is cloud? It's like I can play on my own server?00:59
bjsniderthe cloud is a euphemistic reference to the internet01:06
DanaGI tried earcandy... and it just INSISTED ON BLASTING ME WITH FULL VOLUME, ALL THE TIME.01:14
DanaGYeah, I was yelling on purpose there.01:14
DanaGIt cranked the volume all the way up, and refused to let it go or stay any lower.01:14
billybigriggerDanaG, could that be due to a borked PA?01:15
billybigriggerthe blasting of the full volume that is01:15
TwigathyDanaG: wow... that's not so good!01:16
DanaGNo, it seemed to be due to flat volumes.01:16
TwigathyMine is always on full volume, amp handles volume rather than PC01:16
TwigathyI think there's a flatvolumes=yes thing in one of the many pa conf files...01:16
Twigathyyou could turn it off :o01:17
DanaGYeah.  Flat volumes are a horrible interface.01:17
Twigathypersonally I've not let upgrades overwrite my pa conf fora  while because I have it set up how I want it :>01:17
DanaGIt may make sense in terms of audio quality... but in terms of user experience, it's horrible.01:17
Twigathymmm01:18
* Twigathy wonders if that sums up PA overall too c_c01:18
DanaGNope, I like PA.01:18
Twigathyit's...okay01:18
DanaGPA is awesome... with the exception of flat volumes.01:19
DanaGI enjoy using the multi-device features.01:19
Twigathyah, I only use one device01:19
DanaGI have a USB sound card, a bluetooth headset, and the onboard sound card in my laptop.01:19
TwigathyI can see how it is infinitely superior for multiple though01:19
* BluesKaj has dumped all the that jacksh*t and amarok stuff for vlc01:19
DanaGVLC fails at subtitles.01:19
BluesKajbah01:19
Twigathyvlc for movies, mplayer for everything else :)01:19
BluesKajwho cares01:19
Twigathywell, almost... vlc for anything with ac3 or dts soundtrack :D01:20
DanaGNot mkv stuff!01:20
BluesKajtoo bad they screwed up aamrok so badly01:20
BluesKajamarok01:20
DanaGI use quodlibet.01:20
DanaGOh yeah, I actually managed to BLAST myself the other day, thanks to flat-volumes.01:20
Twigathyc_c01:21
DanaGTotem was inaudible, and I saw that the totem volume slider was down... so I figured I'd turn the app volume up.01:21
DanaGBut it ALSO turned the sound card volume up!01:21
BluesKaj mkv can be converted, well reconvert by ffmpeg ..mencoder default is crappy resolution01:21
DanaGI prefer just to play the things.  mplayer FTW.01:21
TwigathyDanaG: that's made of FAIL01:21
DanaGYeah.01:22
DanaGGlad I didn't have headphones on, or I would've hurt myself.01:22
DanaGThat's dangerous.01:22
bjsniderthere's no need to transocde or convert anything that's well-ripped01:22
bjsniderthere's always a player that can handle it01:22
Twigathyin your /etc/pulse/ dir, there's a few conf files. One of them has 'flat-volumes = yes' commented out. Uncomment, add no, restart pulse.... no more flat volumes? ;)01:22
BluesKajI use pytivo to send movies to the Tivo. It uses ffmpeg to convert on the fly ..but some stuff has to be converted to mpg and ffmpeg in the cli works very01:25
BluesKajwell01:25
Twigathyshinyness...01:26
bjsniderDanaG, the benchmark last night for nexuiz was 27.5 fps at 1680x105001:35
andresmujicaDanaG: you tell me, i've managed to blast my laptop's left speaker. it totally died because of high volume...01:35
hggdhyo andresmujica some days I do not see you :-)01:39
hggdhwelcome back my friend / to the show that never ends / we are glad to have you here / come inside, come inside / (and it goes on...)01:42
* BluesKaj listens to steely dan - josie , stream on pear radio01:43
* hggdh still has Emerson, Lake & Palmer playing in his head01:43
BluesKajahhh Elmore James ..." it hurts me "01:45
BluesKajhggdh, ELP ..havent listened to them for a while, many yrs in fact :(01:52
hggdhBluesKaj, yeah. Last time I saw them was in a concert at Concord, CA, about 12 years ago. And I lost the LP with the song (don't remember the LP title, just the song -- Karn Evil 9 --. But I remember the picture was of a skull01:55
BluesKajBrain Salad Surgery01:55
hggdhYES!01:55
* hggdh is extremely thankful (although doing a google right now). 01:56
hggdhBloody song has been playing between my ears for the last 3 days ;-)01:56
BluesKajmust confess I looked it up , cuz i have just tarkus and that Best of that came out on cd back in the 90s01:57
BluesKajstill have Tarkus on vinyl tho01:57
hggdhall my plastic were given away when I did a continental move01:58
BluesKajI put sonme vinyl on cd using audacity , but it's time consuming01:59
hggdhI moved *before* the CD being really common...01:59
BluesKajok , BBL02:00
chesterhi people02:09
rafaelhi02:09
chesteri'm running a karmic version on my laptop, and around a week ago, i updated like i do everyday : it broke my NVIDIA 190.18, so i reinstalled them, and it also broke my network (less nice)02:11
chestermy broadcom BCMxxxx is fine, lspci detects it, then i looked to ifconfig, everything looks fine, but i can't ping my gateway, network unreachable, plus i have no route to it...02:11
chestersame for my wlan002:12
rafaelnetwork-manager is changing02:13
hggdhchester, at about this time a bad apport was uploaded -- which broke network02:13
rafaelit can be the cause02:13
chesterwhen i use nm gnome applet, the behaviour is basically that it remains in the 2 green balls states02:13
hggdhperhaps you could try & see if there is a new apport available since your last update02:13
chesterthat's the problem, i can't update anything...02:14
hggdhor you can try 'sudo service apport stop', and then see if you can connect02:14
chesteri'm gonna try02:15
chesterthe thing is, even in recovery mode, terminal with internet connection02:16
chesterit doesn't work02:17
chesteri guess apport doesn't start in this mode02:17
kn100just thought i would say that i installed karmic and it broke my wireless, more details on request02:17
hggdhdid you stop apport?02:17
kn100it works fine in 8.10 and 9.04 with no modification02:17
chesterwell, i was in recovery mode, i'm gonna try in "normal" mode now02:19
chesternetwork still unreachable02:20
kn100yes i have reported a bug, but it hasnt been triaged yet, i assume they are waiting for feature freeze before attending to bugs02:20
andresmujicahggdh: Hi h, what's up?02:23
hggdhhi andresmujica we had been wondering where you (and charlie) were ;-)02:24
hggdhwelcome back!02:24
chesterso i stopped apport, and my network is still broken02:25
hggdhthen it is not the same issue, chester  kn100 stated a similar issue, perhaps it would be good to exchange data02:26
kn100i am on an rt73 based card, 9.10 picks up the card, but will not scan02:26
kn100it just lists no networks02:26
kn100its an edimax ew7318usg, and thinking about it I am not 100% sure it is rt73, i know its ralink02:27
chestercan you know when the broken apport was commited?02:27
hggdhdammit!02:27
hggdh*not* apport, but apparmor02:28
chesterxD02:28
* hggdh is extremely sorry for the dumb mistake02:28
chester:D02:28
chesteri'll try02:28
hggdhblame it on the newcastle brown ale. Good, but with a bit of alcohol02:28
chesteri wanted to believe it, but it doesn't look like solving any of my problem02:33
chesters02:33
chester:(02:33
hggdhstill fails?02:33
chesteryes, network unreachable02:34
hggdhcurrent apparmour is 2.3.1+1403-0ubuntu902:34
hggdhsee https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/40877302:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 408773 in apparmor "apparmor capabilities not working properly" [High,Fix released]02:36
chesterthat sounds good02:38
chesteri have the  2.3.1+1403-0ubuntu802:38
hggdhyes. You *need* 0ubuntu9. I have heard of some additional issues, but I have not follwed on them. But certainly you need the 0ubuntu902:40
hggdhmy experience, corroborated by others, is that 'sudo service apparmor stop' would allow you to connect. In my case, after stopping apparmour, I have to try to reconnect02:41
chesteri that's what i meant : it sounds good, because it looks like it's my bug02:46
hggdhI hope this is it, for you ;-)02:48
chesterVictory! Just had to force dhclient02:56
chesterthank you hggdh :)02:58
hggdhchester, glad I was able to help (after a bit of a, er, misnomers). So, time for another beer, Cheers.03:00
chestercheers, i just finished my hoegaarden :)03:00
hggdhoh, in Belgium?03:01
chesterFrance, but belgium is close to paris ;)03:01
hggdhah, OK. I did not find any decent beer in France (except for a pub sporting guinness03:02
hggdhanyway. Salut.03:02
DWonderlyAnyone know what channel is the UNR Channel?03:50
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kholerabbiCan anybody test this if this is fixed in Karmic, Bug #411242?04:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 411242 in nautilus "Links to folders on unmounted partitions pretend they are broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41124204:31
cwillukholerabbi, first impression from the bug title is that is a very hard problem to solve04:32
cwilluyou could hack a workaround by checking if /media/ is in the path, and the last section that exists is /media/foo/, but that's not a general solution04:33
cwilluyou'd have to maintain some metadata, making an association between the link name and the filesystem is was originally mounted on04:34
cwilluand that still leaves the obvious objection that the link is legitimately broken if the target is on an umounted partition04:34
cwilluhaving said all that :p04:35
cwillukholerabbi, are you referring to symlinks or nautilus launchers?04:35
cwillubasically, there's nothing special about a folder that can tell you that it used to be a mount point or what was mounted on it.04:38
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billybigriggeranyone here having virtualbox problems?05:57
billybigriggercomlaining about installing the ose-source packages when they are already installed?05:57
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richardcavellAm I the only one who has no sound with the new audio updates?09:21
richardcavellAnd my Sound preferences window is incredibly slow09:23
richardcavellOh my SP window is very slow because it has to load so many aplay executables that did not play successfully.09:29
mac_vrichardcavell: nope... you are not alone... ;)  just keep doing $ pulseaudio -k09:44
mac_vseveral times till sound is restored09:44
richardcavellmac_v: thanks for that tip09:47
richardcavellI was doing it manually in System Monitor09:47
richardcavellmac_v: But that just kills off the spare aplay processes09:49
richardcavellmy sound is not working09:49
mac_vrichardcavell: what are you trying to play?09:50
richardcavellYoutube09:50
mac_vrichardcavell: ah... flash wont work properly.... if you want sound... check if sound is working... if not close the you tube tab , keep doing the command and now again open the tab.... now you will have sound in the video...09:52
mac_vrichardcavell: or... i have another workaround... find the clip in the /tmp folder and play it with vlc...09:53
richardcavellmac_v: I don't have sound10:01
richardcavellI've closed down Firefox10:01
richardcavelland restarted10:01
richardcavellthere are no aplays any more10:01
richardcavellstill no sound10:01
mac_vrichardcavell: try with vlc and the /tmp folder... if that doesnt work ... i'm out of ideas then...10:02
richardcavell:( I don't want to play youtube under vlc10:02
richardcavelleverything worked fine until these pulseaudio updates10:02
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richardcavellI'm trying to install eclipse from Karmic repo but it won't work13:19
richardcavellit claims that it can't satisfy dependencies but it can13:20
coz_richardcavell,   can you pastebin the readout?13:22
richardcavellcoz_: http://pastebin.com/f658d235213:24
coz_richardcavell,   are these dependecies in the repository?13:24
richardcavellyep13:25
coz_richardcavell,  same version numbers ?13:25
richardcavelly13:25
coz_richardcavell,  try sudo apt-get install -f13:25
richardcavellnope13:25
coz_mmm13:25
richardcavelldoesn't work, same result13:25
richardcavellwhat's the command to check the repo version of something?  I'm using synaptic package manager to do it13:26
coz_richardcavell,  then apparenlty  they are not actually available are being held back for some reason13:26
coz_richardcavell,  synaptic should be fine for that13:26
coz_richardcavell,  not sure of the command for it though13:26
richardcavellIf I try to install the dependencies they don't work either13:27
coz_richardcavell,  then someone closer associated with what is on the repo might have more info...I would stick around and ask again     sorry I dont have a solution for you13:28
richardcavellcoz_: that's okay13:28
richardcavellHow do I find out who's responsible for that package?13:30
coz_richardcavell,  thats a good question   which package is this again?13:33
richardcavelleclipse13:33
richardcavellI just looked it up on launchpad - someone's already reported a bug about this13:34
richardcavellby the way, to check a repo version it's apt-cache policy packagename13:34
coz_richardcavell,  that would most likely be the eclipse developers  and ubuntu devs may not have gotten to that applications requjirements   you may want to post this on the karmic  bug reports  as well as going to #eclipse   if it exists although they cant fix the ubuntu lack of dependencies13:34
coz_richardcavell, ok  then that is where the answer will come from ..the bug report13:35
torkianohello, I'm using karmic and I have not sound on my Dell m1330, anybody know if this is a know bug?13:35
torkianoAny link where I can search for info about sound?13:36
coz_torkiano,  not sure  but if you open a terminal and type    alsamixer   you can see if the volume is down or muted13:36
coz_tomsku,  also if the card has been recognized13:36
richardcavelltorkiano: The new Pulse Audio updates have completed *%!ed my system's sound13:38
torkianorichardcavell, :)13:38
richardcavelland plenty of people were saying the same thing after the updates came through about a week ago13:38
torkianoWe are bleending edges; it's normal ;)13:39
richardcavellWell what annoys me is that it worked fine until someone decided to fix something that wasn't broken13:39
torkianorichardcavell, bug report?13:40
richardcavelltorkiano: I haven't checked.  I've been too busy filing bug reports on about 30 other things X(13:41
torkianoMaybe the cause is the upgrade to pulseaudio 0.9.16 version13:43
TylerRhas anyone found a workaround for the gdmsetup failure on application startup??13:43
torkiano0.9.16 come with new great features: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/oh-nine-sixteen.html13:44
torkianois there a channel about sound issues?13:57
kklimondatomsku: #ubuntu-audio-help but only dtchen idles there most of the time14:00
torkianokklimonda, thank you14:02
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Ng--help14:33
BluesKajheyas all14:46
Ian_hai15:19
Ian_anyone here having problems with grub2 and --no-floppy?15:20
skazi21101i have a problem with busybox. when i trying to install ubuntu from dvd or cd it loses my cd-drive and fails to busybox. it started from 8.04. and i don`t know how to install ubuntu on my asus x51rl15:27
skazi21101help me somebody15:28
gnomefreakskazi21101: 9.04?15:32
skazi21101yes15:33
gnomefreakskazi21101: join #ubuntu and ask15:33
skazi21101just asked. no answer15:33
gnomefreakskazi21101: this channel is only for support with latest development sysle release15:34
skazi21101why not help me? or its not good to help whose who need help?15:35
BluesKajskazi21101, you might get more help at #kubuntu15:37
BluesKajor #ubuntu15:37
hggdhI already told him that on -bugs. Although I understand the frustration -- and think we have to go back to the mail thread about it -- *here* is still not the place15:38
gnomefreakskazi21101: read the topic for more info15:39
scizzo-anyone else has problems with pulseaudio recognizing the sound card? but the music is playing?15:39
BluesKajscizzo-, there's something weird going on with pulseaudio ...apt tells me it's not installed yet there it is, 3rd in the list,  in my system settings/multimedia/music/device preference15:46
BluesKajand the test works with it15:47
bjsnideryou ripped it out?15:47
BluesKajremoved pulseaudio ?15:48
bjsnideryeah15:48
scizzo-BluesKaj: well after a upgrade it seems like that permissions have changed or something15:48
BluesKajnot that I recall15:48
BluesKajit's supposed to have replaced esd as the sound server15:50
bmungeris firefox 3.5 going to be the default firefox package?15:56
bjsnideryes, in karmic15:56
bjsnidernot jaunty15:56
bmungerright this channel is about karmic i thought15:57
bmungerim just surprised that firefox 3.5 has been out for a long time now and still its 3.0 on karmic15:58
BluesKaj3.5 is still beta , is it not ?15:58
bjsniderno15:58
bmungerno15:58
scizzo-BluesKaj: no15:58
bjsniderit was released a couple of weeks ago15:58
BluesKajok ok15:59
bmungerprobably close to a month ago15:59
bjsniderthere's still a font rendering bug in ff 3.515:59
BluesKaji don';y use it anymore . doesn't render a lot of sitesimages properly15:59
bjsnideri was talking to themozillateam about it last night, they said submit a bug, blah, blah ,blah16:00
bmungeryea bug reporting usually doesnt get anything done16:00
bmungeri submit bugs to ubuntu and they never get touched16:00
bjsniderff 3.5 won't render urw chancery l16:00
bjsniderand apparently has some inconsistencies with some other fonts too16:01
gnomefreakthe reason it is not named firefox is because we only use official branding for 1 firefox package. once 3.0 is removed we will rename shiretoko to firefox16:01
scizzo-bmunger: I hardly believe that bugs that you report are never touched16:01
gnomefreakbjsnider: file the font bug Alexander should look at it sonnish16:01
bmungerprobably read but ignored16:01
bmungerits no big deal16:01
scizzo-bmunger: maybe set to incomplete, need more info or so16:01
bjsnidergnomefreak, i'll get around to it16:02
BluesKajkonqueror is a bit slower to load but it does show mostly everything on sites , even gmail :)16:02
bmungernobody usually responds to them.. i had one that was responded to.. no developer input either16:02
gnomefreakthe 3 of us that do most of mozilla bugs look at them at least 1-2 times a week. i look at most but i cant look at all all the time16:02
gnomefreakbjsnider: that is why it takes us a while to get to your bugs :)16:03
bmungerim sure they know about these bugs but dont have the time to check or update the bug16:03
bjsnidergnomefreak, i have to test all other ubuntu fonts though. how can i trust it? is thre a text list of all fonts installed by default on an ubuntu system?16:03
BluesKajchromium, once they have it done is prolly gonna be my fav browser16:03
bmungeri use firefox all the time i dont see waht the problem you have with it16:03
bmungerall sites i go to look just fine16:03
BluesKajFF3.0 doesn't run properly and they're already #rd generation at 3.6 ...what gives ?16:04
gnomefreakbjsnider: yes IIRC there is you can look in synaptic and search for fonts, locate fonts | less may help as well but off hand i dont recall16:04
bjsniderisn't it just "chrome"?16:04
BluesKaj3rd16:04
gnomefreakfirst look at theme you are using make sure its not causing your problem16:04
BluesKajchromium-browser16:04
bjsnidergnomefreak, everybody i've asked to check the chancery problem has the same problem. we're not all using the same theme16:05
BluesKajhttp://build.chromium.org/16:05
BluesKajbjsnider, chancery what ?16:07
bjsnidersigh16:07
bjsniderhttp://www.codestyle.org/servlets/FontSampler?class=URWChanceryL&font=URW%20Chancery%20L&compare=normal16:08
bjsniderlook at that in ff 3.5 and 3.016:08
bjsnideryou see the diff?16:08
BluesKajcan't :)16:08
bjsniderok, whatever16:08
BluesKajin konq I see 2 diff fonts16:09
bjsniderchancery is a cursive font. it should look like calligraphy16:10
bjsniderff 3.5 skips it and renders the default sans font instead16:10
BluesKajone is graphically fancier than the other on both chromium and konqueror16:11
bjsniderthose browsers are doing their jobs16:11
BluesKajok, good16:11
gnomefreakbjsnider: on bug when you feel like filing add screenshots of right one and wrong one.16:12
bjsnidercopy that, sir16:12
BluesKajwonder if ff on windows renders that site properly16:12
bjsniderit does16:12
bjsniderand on mac too16:12
BluesKajok16:12
scizzo-bjsnider: wiat16:13
* gnomefreak finished, work has been nothing but a pain this morning. ill be here a bit longer just wont be working on anything outside chat16:13
bjsniderit's just the font, not the site at large16:13
scizzo-bjsnider: you mean that linux ff 3.5 is not rendering it ok?16:13
bjsnideryes, affirmative16:13
BluesKajso mozilla is falling down on the job with their linux browsers16:13
scizzo-bjsnider: so this means that its not a general firefox bug but a bug from linux rendering that font?16:14
bjsnidermaybe the non-ubuntu shiretokos work, i don't know16:14
bjsniderit is a shiretoko bug, beyond that i have no idea16:14
scizzo-good16:15
bjsnideri don't especially care if it works on another distro16:15
bjsnideri don't use other distros16:15
scizzo-then report it to the mozilla team for ubuntu16:15
bjsnideri did so last ngiht16:15
bjsniderthey said submit a bug16:15
bjsniderand they confirmed it, by the way16:15
scizzo-there you go then16:16
bjsniderbut i have to test all of the other fonts first, because i don't think i can trust shiretoko with them if chancery fails, can i?16:16
bjsnideri have to phony up a reference page, and i'd appreciate a list of all ubuntu fonts16:17
bjsniderthat i can copy-paste16:17
gnomefreakbjsnider: do you remember who you spoke to that confirmed it?16:17
bjsnidernick started with m16:17
bjsniderit wasn't asac16:17
gnomefreakmich...16:17
gnomefreakcant recall spelling of his nick16:18
BluesKajbjsnider, FF 3.0.13 renders it fine16:18
bjsniderright16:18
scizzo-bjsnider: you have the bug number?16:18
bjsnideri haven't filed it yet16:18
scizzo-ooo16:18
scizzo-ok16:18
gnomefreakbjsnider: heres not here yet for the day. if im around later i will talk to him to get more info asac is at a late lunch16:19
bjsnideri'm not filing a chancery bug and then finding out later t hat it also affects other fonts16:19
bjsnideractually the guy i talked to last night thought other fonts looked different compared to 3.016:19
gnomefreaksometime in the next day or 2 i will catch up with him. if i dont see him tomorrow i will email him or email our ML to find out more info16:19
scizzo-bjsnider: why not just say "font rendering error in firefox 3.5" instead of targeting a single font/fonts?16:20
bjsniderwell, i could doth at, but i'd like to humour them with specifics16:20
scizzo-bjsnider: others might notice other fonts that they can add to the bug also so16:20
gnomefreakbut mention in the desciption (not the title) what fonts you are using and what ones you have tried16:20
scizzo-gnomefreak is the master he knows what to do... :)16:21
bjsniderthat's what i was saying last night. i'm having trouble coming up with this bug title: "firefox 3.5 fonts are effed up"16:21
bjsniderhe's the jedi master?16:22
BluesKajinteresting FF3.0.13 has named itself  "A Web Browser"16:22
bjsnideris he on the council?16:22
Trewasbjsnider: that font seems to be missing also when using upstream (mozilla.org) ff 3.5.216:23
bjsnideri'm using 3.5.3 i think16:23
bjsniderif it's an upstream bug and not specifically in the ubuntu builds, then why does the mac version work?16:23
BluesKajbjsnider, no matter which FF browser , they still wont render the cbc captioned images at all16:24
Trewasbjsnider: I'd imagine font handling is very different in linux and mac, doesn't seem suprising if they have different bugs16:26
bjsniderBluesKaj, huh?16:27
Trewasbjsnider: anyway I'd recommend filing that bug directly to mozilla.org because it is present also in their version, I doubt ubuntu has so many people working with firefox packages that they'll be able to do anything to it16:28
BluesKajtake a at www.cbc.ca , the caption about donald marshall's funeral has a picture inside of the church...on FF there is no pictiure at all16:29
BluesKajlook16:29
gnomefreakTrewas: firefox is being actively worked on by 2 of us (im not included i have enough of my own to deal with) if you file bug upstream please make sure to file one with LP as well so we can track it. just leave bug link for upstream on LP bug16:34
gnomefreakBluesKaj: i see a picture there16:35
x1250guys, is anyone having problems to play HD video files? I'm having problems with totem and vlc, too slow, very choppy. But mplayer is alright. Any one? I can upload some 20MB HD mov, if anyone wants to try.16:36
gnomefreakif you mean the section that has 3 pictures side by side under CBC News16:36
BluesKajyes16:36
gnomefreaki see it fine in 3.516:37
BluesKajthen what's happening with FF3.0 ?16:37
gnomefreakBluesKaj: dont know i dont have it installed16:38
BluesKajdidn't work in 3.5 for me either or even 3.616:38
gnomefreakshould but sorry enough ff browser already16:38
gnomefreaks/firefox/mozilla16:38
gnomefreakok thats it for me this patch has me way to frustrated to be here.16:39
BluesKajhmmFF3.5 complained about the wrong xulrunner version16:45
BluesKajMozilla XULRunner 1.9.0.1316:47
kayess!grub216:57
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub216:57
billybigriggerkayess, what's your problem?16:59
kayessbillybigrigger: Having trouble with a couple of laptops that I upgraded to karmic which were originally installed with encrypted disks from jaunty alpha 217:09
billybigriggerok, whats the trouble?17:09
kayessWith the karmic kernel the disks seem to appear with a different uuid17:09
kayessSo they don't mount17:10
billybigriggeredit your fstab accordingly?17:10
kayessThat's a good suggestion. Using ash I couldn't find any fstab though -- isn't that later?17:10
billybigriggerlater?17:11
billybigriggeri don't get ya17:11
billybigriggercan you boot at all?17:11
billybigriggeror is grub having problems finding the uuid's too?17:11
kayessThis is during the initial splash screen part of the boot -- is fstab copied from the encrypted volume?17:11
billybigriggerhonestly, i don't know, i've never used encrypted disks17:11
EagleScreenCan I disable UXA (intel) in karmic?17:18
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alteregoano18:01
oly562i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. Any suggestions?18:01
alteregoayeah replace the inks18:02
alteregoaoly: are you using cascaded dhcp routers?18:03
oly562alteregoa: good question, i have one linksys wire router, and one wireless print server, no second router18:14
oly562i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. I switched from 8.04 LTS to 9.0 and i just noticed this happenin18:28
BluesKajoly562, you skipped an OS ,so wicd and other apps may not have upgraded18:32
oly562thats true BluesKaj, but why would that matter with one ip and can ping the rest of the world?18:32
oly562im talking to you from the laptop wirelessly18:32
oly562:|18:32
oly562all other devices on this network can ping the device in question from anywhere in my net, just not this laptop18:33
oly562the only truth, this is a wireless laptop18:33
BluesKajtry upgrading wicd18:34
BluesKajor reinstalling18:34
oly562everything else is wired, and the Linksys, i.e., GW can also ping the device18:34
oly562hmmmm18:34
oly562maybe that's it18:34
oly562maybe i am too far from the print server18:34
oly562even though its in the next room with the door open18:34
BluesKajit should see it18:35
oly562maybe this nic doesnt have the power it needs anymore... and that may point to the drivers of the nic, which may have changed,,, signal strengh setting locally18:35
oly562hmmm18:35
oly562that sorta makes sense18:35
oly562ill give that a try18:35
oly562if not, i will be back18:35
BluesKajI havent set up my laptop to a print server yet ...I should try it18:35
BluesKajbbl too, gonna switch back to ethernet18:36
bjsnideralright i've got a partially constructed font reference document here: http://i-ville.net/fonts.html18:45
BluesKajbjsnider, yeah on konq lines 5&6 are the same , as are 12&13  , 17&18, 19,21,2318:55
bjsnideri'm going to add superscript numbering and a list of the fonts in use at the bottom18:56
BluesKajlooks the same on chromium18:59
bjsnidercanadians can't use kde18:59
bjsniderby law18:59
Priceyoly562: Are you using Karmic?19:04
BluesKajwho's law ?19:10
oly562no19:10
oly562Pricey: no19:10
oly562 i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. I switched from 8.04 LTS to 9.0 and i just noticed this happeni19:11
Priceyoly562: This channel is for Ubuntu 9.10, the Karmic Koala. #ubuntu supports released versions of Ubuntu.19:13
oly562ok... i just upgraded from 1.5. to 1.6 wicd19:20
oly562BluesKaj:19:21
oly562i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. I switched from 8.04 LTS to 9.0 and i just noticed this happenin19:21
oly562brb goona reboot, even that i shouldn't have to19:21
Priceyoly562: This channel is for Karmic only. Please see #ubuntu19:21
dupondjehmz, is there a way to let cp create the dir: like cp file nonexistingdir/file ?19:24
dupondjeand that it creates the nonexisting dir ?19:24
Priceydupondje: you probably want to mkdir -p first19:27
proq!backup19:39
ubottuThere are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning19:39
DanaGhmm, right now I use faubackup for backups.  We really need some sort of "Time Machine" thingy -- hourly differential backups, and of whole machine, not just home dir!19:45
DanaGhmm, anybody else have an issue where grub shows entries for other-OS things, TWICE?19:49
DanaGI see my two karmic kernels at top, and then Windows, and then a list of kernels in my Jaunty, and then Windows, and then a list of kernels in my Jaunty.19:50
DanaGAnd yes, I did copy-and paste and repeat myself -- exactly my point.19:50
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BUGabundoboas20:06
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oly562question - how can i get my smb server to show up in Places > Network file browser? and be listed? my other server is in the garage, and is running the smb, nmb process. i can browse to it this way, but the printer is not showing up. may i see a working config from someone? thanks20:18
oly562i can pastelink a testparm smb.conf if you need one20:19
BUGabundooly562: hi20:20
BUGabundoyou must ADD it20:20
BUGabundoPlaces->Connect to server20:20
oly562ill try that,, sb20:20
oly562its odd, in the past i used another program, i forgot the name, right now a DBus error shows up, and like i said, its already mounted. im talking about my print server showing up in browse like it used to...20:22
oly562Mountpoint Already registered20:22
oly562ok, let me try it this way, in the past, wps1 used to show up under windoze networking in Network File Browser.  now, it doesnt show up. i think i was running some type of ftp auto thingy, that showed all my smb shares, including the wireless print server aka wps120:25
Picioly562: Did it stop working when you installed Karmic?20:25
oly562now nothing show up unless i manually control - L and put the smb://whatever/share  then it prompts to log in, works fine20:26
oly562pici i dont know about karmic20:26
oly562sb20:26
oly562i dont have that loaded at present, nor did i before i believe20:26
Picioly562: This channel is only for Karmic 9.10 issues, if you are running an earlier version of Ubuntu then you need to ask in #ubuntu.20:26
oly562im running 9.1020:27
BUGabundoeheh20:27
oly562stop pointing me to ubuntu20:27
BUGabundokarmic koala is code name for 9.1020:27
oly562ic20:27
oly562thanks BUGabundo20:27
BUGabundonp20:27
BUGabundo!codename20:27
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about codename20:27
BUGabundo!codenames20:27
ubottuUbuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more20:27
oly562so.... any suggestions?20:27
oly562oh and i thought 9.10 is jaunty20:27
slacker_nlno, 9.04 is jaunty20:28
oly562pici if you don't have a clue, then don't respond, i only want to hear from people who know ubuntu indepth20:28
oly562ic slacker_nl20:29
oly562people who know the system indepth don't point people elsewhere20:29
Priceyoly562: This channel is for Karmic support only.20:29
Priceyoly562: 9.1020:29
BUGabundooly562: please don't tell ppl to shut up20:29
oly562i have to20:29
oly562they bore and disturb the issue20:29
BUGabundooly562: pici is one of the old guys around20:29
slacker_nlhehe, pici is also in #ubuntu, so he can help you there.. or not ;)20:29
oly562i have spoke to him b420:30
oly562he tells people to reinstall20:30
oly562lame20:30
BUGabundoahaha20:30
oly562you know im speaking the truth20:30
oly562anyfoo, people who know, help other nixians20:30
BUGabundoI don't20:31
Picioly562: Just because you are banned from #ubuntu doesn't mean that the other channel rules are suspended so that you can get support.20:31
BUGabundoI can't be on #ubuntu20:31
BUGabundoto noisy20:31
BUGabundoeheh20:31
oly562i dont really like that room20:31
BUGabundohe is banned ?ahahah20:31
oly562never did20:31
Priceyoly562: This channel is for Karmic discussion only. Please also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines20:31
BUGabundoohhh20:31
BUGabundohe was still calm!20:32
BUGabundo:(20:32
BUGabundo!ping20:34
ubottuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore20:34
BUGabundook so this is still alive20:34
* BUGabundo goes testing xmpp20:34
slacker_nlanyone familiar with kde/20:39
slacker_nl?20:39
BUGabundosome are slacker_nl20:43
BUGabundo!ask | slacker_nl20:43
ubottuslacker_nl: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)20:43
slacker_nlpff20:43
slacker_nlno one can tell me which kde component is responsible for the login/logout/shutdown options?20:43
slacker_nlfrom 2 kde channels, so i just asked here to see if there are kde users20:44
slacker_nlif not, not going to bother ;)20:44
BUGabundoehe20:44
BUGabundoyou can try #kubuntu-devel20:44
slacker_nlthat is one of the kde channels i'm in20:45
slacker_nlboth #kde and kubuntu-devel are none responsice20:45
slacker_nljust want to create an upstream bug for karmic kde20:46
alteregoai use ubuntu SE20:46
alteregoakarmic SE20:46
BUGabundoSatanicccccccc20:46
slacker_nlwhat is SE?20:47
alteregoasatanic edition20:47
slacker_nluhhhkay20:47
slacker_nlthat is christian edition without the pr0n filter?20:47
alteregoait runs damn stable and its a hell faster20:47
mac_vslacker_nl: i would guess the opposite ;p20:48
alteregoano thats the mohammic edition with 9year old aisha20:48
slacker_nlmac_v: that is the opposite right?20:48
slacker_nlCE had all kinds of filters and bible stuff20:48
BUGabundoalteregoa: haahahaaha lovely word joke20:49
alteregoathanks god i don't believe this religious bullshit20:49
mac_valteregoa: amen to that ;p20:49
BUGabundoalteregoa: language!!!20:49
mac_vme neither20:49
slacker_nlthe lord will save you once you make the switch20:49
slacker_nlpromise!20:49
alteregoaok starwaste is a better expression20:50
mac_vslacker_nl: why do you think i need to be saved ;p i'm happy in devil's playground :)20:50
alteregoacause we are made of stars20:50
slacker_nlmac_v: i dunno, that's what they say20:52
mac_vIMO , all the problems in the world are mostly due to religion , and people strict about their faith! people need to chill and enjoy life and not harm others20:53
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slacker_nldon't need to convice me20:54
slacker_nli'm 100% a non-believer20:54
slacker_nlonly religiion I like are budhists20:54
Pici!offtopic20:54
ubottu#ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu.  Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support.  Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.20:54
mac_vlol Pici20:55
BUGabundomac_v: no. he is right (this time) :)20:56
BUGabundoyou guys are pushing the line here20:56
mac_vi know...20:56
mac_vBUGabundo: hei ... i didnt start though ;p20:56
PiciThat doesn't mean you can't tell someone else to stay on topic.20:58
BUGabundomac_v: doent mather who started it! but who keeps it20:58
* mac_v closes his mouth20:58
* BUGabundo wishs PPA had supersed apt repo :(21:00
mac_vBUGabundo: i never found the gnome 3.0 ppa! google / ppa finder dint help :(21:00
BUGabundoanyone filed a bug on Nautilus for its lost icons?21:02
BUGabundothat's the correct procedure right?21:02
BUGabundofile bugs per package?21:02
mac_vBUGabundo: already exists21:03
mac_vlat me get the bug#21:03
mac_vBUGabundo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59064721:03
ubottuGnome bug 590647 in general "use :always-show-image for boomarks/places in menus" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]21:03
BUGabundonot the general bug21:04
BUGabundothe other for each app21:04
mac_vthat's for  nautilus ,21:04
BUGabundohumm21:04
mac_vBUGabundo: others reported are totem and gedit21:04
BUGabundonot GNOME in general?21:04
BUGabundoah ok21:04
BUGabundonice21:04
mac_vinterested in fixing them up?21:05
BUGabundonope21:05
BUGabundojust in reporting them21:05
mac_vBUGabundo: great21:05
mac_vBUGabundo: there has been 1 user who wants to fix them... pls notify me if you file a bug21:05
BUGabundook21:05
BUGabundodinner21:08
BUGabundoola joao21:08
Twigathygrrr, mplayer being buggy tonight. Pauses and then everything goes quickly and then black screen and then ...21:26
Twigathyaudio fine, video wibbley as anything21:27
Twigathyhm, -vo gl2 seems to be better :O21:28
Twigathyack, or not21:28
dupondjepom :)21:32
dupondjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 <- could somebody confirm this ?21:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391035 in aptitude "aptitude stops displaying downloads" [Undecided,New]21:32
BUGabundodupondje: still that bug??21:37
BUGabundoLOLOLOL21:37
aboSamoordupondje, testing the aptitude update21:38
dupondjesomebody needs to confirm it :) so it gets more attention ;)21:38
BUGabundodamn21:38
BUGabundolost audio again21:38
BUGabundo:(21:38
dupondjeits a quite annoying bug imo :(21:38
aboSamoorBUGabundo, kill pulseaudio ;)21:38
BUGabundoI know21:39
BUGabundobut that won't work for pidgin21:39
BUGabundountil I restart it21:39
aboSamooris autoaway working with empathy ? is there any autobusy functionality in empathy ?21:42
* mac_v loves BUGabundo suffers the same bug for once... hates his response of WFM! ;p21:48
BUGabundo:D21:49
x1250wohoo, firefox 3.5 on repos :D21:54
dupondjesince21:54
dupondjeeuh21:55
dupondje1 month ?21:55
dupondjelol21:55
x1250well, let me rephrase, firefox 3.0 kaput!21:55
kklimondaech, the new firefox-3.5 icon is ugly21:56
BUGabundohumm21:56
BUGabundono21:57
x1250haha my browser experience has just been destroyed: "<window id="main-window" :/21:58
aboSamoordo you know how can emulate the behavior of being away using dbus ?21:59
BUGabundoAug 10 22:13:35 BluBUG kernel: [ 9029.917169] sd 13:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk22:20
BUGabundoAug 10 22:13:35 BluBUG kernel: [ 9196.016215] usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 722:20
BUGabundoAug 10 22:13:35 BluBUG kernel: [ 9196.017317] FAT: bread failed in fat_clusters_flush22:20
BluesKajsticking with konqueror for a while , FF is broken on my setup and chromium, rekonq and arora are either troublesome (noplugins) or boring (rekonq and arora)22:20
mac_vBUGabundo: came up with any icon bugs?22:43
DanaGgrr, wtf... vbox isn't offering USB!22:44
DanaG /proc/bus/usb does not exist!22:44
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DanaG * Filesystem type 'usbfs' is not supported. Skipping mount.22:45
pendeviltime23:04
pendevilhello23:04
diverse_izzueDanaG, I think only the closed-source version from Sun does USB, not the opensource edition23:06
pendevilI made a fresh ubuntu Karmic-Alpha-3 install on my machine (gnome). There was also a function to completly deactivate my touchpad.23:06
DanaGI have the closed-source version.  It turns out I just wasn't in vboxusers group.23:07
pendevilBut after the update, this function was gone!?! Impossible to completely deactivate my touchpad after update?23:08
pendevilWhat happened23:08
pendevil?23:08
diverse_izzuependevil, the mouse capplet in gnome has seen some touchpad related updates in the 2.27 cycle.23:08
diverse_izzuemaybe you should file a bug with gnome about it23:08
pendevilI see23:09
pendevilOk. If this issue isn't already known, I'll make a bug report23:11
pendevilI'm also missing this function in Kubuntu. But there, it was never there23:12
proqwhich package has the md5 tool that generates checksums from files on the hard disk?23:52
proqsuch as "md5 -q foo" => 34ba9c3924e32a942323:52
joaopintoPricey, the command is md5sum, it's installed by default23:53
joaopintoops, was proq23:53
proqaha, thanks23:54
Piciits in coreutils23:55

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