[00:23] <MDC2> hi guys! how you like this; http://www.mejlamej.nu/spinner-startup.png ?
[02:18] <raozuzu> MDC2: nice! :D
[04:03] <dashua> Has anyone done any work on that WillieIbex theme from Intrepid?
[04:04] <dashua> I remember MacSlow saying something of possibly making that become a reality, but all of the attempts were not very pretty.
[04:14] <mac_v> dashua: i remember the theme faintly , link pls :) , i think MacSlow now has is hands full with notify-osd
[04:15] <mac_v> nevermind... i have the theme installed ;p i guess i didnt use it...
[04:17] <dashua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/GoodDarkTheme
[04:17] <dashua> That's the mockup
[04:17] <dashua> Although, it did not appear as pretty as the mockup for usability for some reason
[04:19] <mac_v> yeah... the menu rounded edges aernt implemented
[04:21] <dashua> http://macslow.net/?p=228
[04:21] <dashua> There it is.
[04:22] <dashua> Ah, it was a gdm
[04:24] <mac_v> dashua: hehe , now in Karmic there can be no theming of gdm ;p
[04:25] <dashua> I can't even get the new login window configuration to work.  Keeps crashing on me =/
[04:27] <mac_v> the funny thing is , i have autologin set , so if i log out , i get re-logged in immediately, with no time delay..! ;p
[04:28] <dashua> Have to love unstable releases.
[04:28] <dashua> I feel better though that things are breaking which is usually a good sign of new things
[04:29] <dashua> Jaunty was quite stable from A2
[04:29] <dashua> Karmic is starting to break :)
[04:29] <mac_v> dashua: i think mat_t is working on a gdm theme almost similar to macslow's
[04:30] <dashua> Oh nice.  I do recall him asking about fading with Compiz
[04:30] <mac_v> i saw the mockup somewhere... i just cant find it again!
[04:30] <dashua> So, that will be nice
[04:31] <dashua> I'm messing around with the window resize papercut, no real progress yet.
[04:33] <dashua> mac_v, Anything going on with Breathe or did efforts shift to Humanity?
[04:33] <mac_v> dashua: i think the real solution to that would be to add *invisible* border when the user moves from inside the window to the border , so that the handles grabs the handle
[04:34] <dashua> I'm trying that now
[04:34] <dashua> Not looking too good yet =/
[04:34] <mac_v> dashua: breathe is stuck , seb & cory are busy , so...
[04:35] <dashua> Ah, I see.
[04:35] <mac_v> i dont think humanity and breathe have any connection? or do they?
[04:35] <dashua> Not sure.
[04:36] <dashua> Pretty damn sexxy set though.
[04:36] <dashua> I'm really starting to dig it.
[04:37] <mac_v> i like the colors dan has used for the icons , they are so creamy/fluffy
[04:38] <dashua> Yeah, the battery icons for g-p-m are pretty sick.
[04:40] <mac_v> you mean the grey or the colored ones?
[04:40] <dashua> The grey ones for full battery then to the colors
[04:40] <dashua> Very dimensional
[04:41] <mac_v> dashua: mat_t's face browser was here > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Suggestion%20Two , but seems the link is now edited
[04:42] <mac_v> yeah... the battery colors , i didnt like very much... they seems out of humanity's color palatte
[04:42] <mac_v> seem*
[04:42] <dashua> I just noticed them on my netbook and they looked pretty good.
[04:43] <dashua> My other laptop is always plugged in so I never see the icons in action.
[04:43] <mac_v> me too ;p
[04:43] <dashua> They didn't seem that out of place
[04:44] <mac_v> the blue was too loud , the rest of the colors are milder...
[04:44] <dashua> Yeah
[04:45] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/21440/screenshot_002_YVaLYc.png
[04:45] <dashua> nm-applet is hard to see
[04:45] <mac_v> exactly
[04:45] <mac_v> the bars are difficult to differentiate
[04:46] <dashua> I filed a bug on it.
[04:46] <mac_v> dashua: comments > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/indicator24.svg
[04:46] <dashua> Looks ok on a lighter theme.
[04:47] <dashua> Looks good.  Is that for the drawer applet?
[04:47] <mac_v> hehe... actually i was trying to make an inbox :(
[04:48] <mac_v> i think he should just have the bars *only* for the signals
[04:48] <dashua> Ah yeah.  It could server a dual purpose ;)
[04:49] <dashua> The blue looked ok, now this is difficult to see
[04:49] <mac_v> thats canonical.... they want only monochrome for the panel
[04:50] <mac_v> dashua: does the inbox fit humanity? do you see any difference in style?
[04:50] <mac_v> from the panel icons
[04:50] <dashua> No, it actually fits pretty nice
[04:51] <dashua> He's using a light gradient for the greys it seems
[04:51] <mac_v> Daniel liked too.... just have to some how force sabdfl to use it insted of the envelope for the indicator applet!
[04:51] <dashua> Oh, he didn't like it?
[04:51] <mac_v> ;p
[04:52] <mac_v> havent shown him yet
[04:52] <dashua> Ah
[04:55] <mac_v> dashua: design team> One of the things we found in usability testing is that folks would go there for their mail even when it wasn't running."" this was with the icon displayed or without the icon? last i heard from him , they are going along with the envelope since no one came up with a better icon for the indicator applet ! that was on friday... lets see what happens on monday ;p
[04:56] <dashua> Oh cool.  Do you have an indicator new icon as well.  I will test it out.
[04:56] <mac_v> yeah
[04:57] <mac_v> dashua: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/indicator-messages-new.svg
[04:58] <dashua> Cool. Thx :)
[04:59] <mac_v> dashua: anything you notice wrong with the messages-new icon?
[05:00] <dashua> Wow.  Looks good mate.
[05:00] <mac_v> the glow idea, within the inbox was kwwii's ;p
[05:00] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/21441/screenshot_003_9GL747.png
[05:03] <mac_v> \o/ ,actually i'm unable to view my icon perfectly due to > Bug #410254 , i use vertical panels!
[05:04] <dashua> Oh damn.
[05:11] <dashua> mac_v, Nite mate.  See you tomorrow.
[05:11] <mac_v> sure... bye :)
[17:12] <mac_v> mat_t: hi... i expected a reply exactly to the word... you didnt dissapoint ;p   it was such a thrill watching th progressbar zoom across :p
[17:21] <mat_t> :)
[17:22] <mac_v> mat_t: about the vertical battery icons... any desicions?
[17:23] <mat_t> throbber works well if there's less than 10s of looking at it - if the boot speed is consistent, the throbber actually becomes a progress indication
[17:23] <mat_t> mac_v: sorry didn't have time to look yet - thanks for reminding me
[17:23] <mat_t> will look right now
[17:23] <mac_v> no probs :)
[17:46] <mat_t> mac_v: looks good ? the only thing I'm not sure about is the little lightning
[17:47] <mac_v> mat_t: as in? you want it bigger?
[17:47] <mat_t> mac_v: looks a bit flat, doesn't inherit the shading
[17:47] <mat_t> I think the size is fine
[17:48] <mat_t> It looks a bit superimposed though, doesn't feel like the part of the battery
[17:48] <mac_v> mat_t: shading , in the flash creates problems when mainting the color for the progress , ie in the 40% 60%
[17:48] <mac_v> oh that... o
[17:48] <mat_t> yeah I can imagine it being tricky
[17:49] <mac_v> mat_t: my idea was to have it superimposed... your want it etched in?
[17:49] <mat_t> Is there any other way we can indicate charging?
[17:51] <mac_v> charging , we could add this plug in the side> notification-power-disconnected.svg < a small plug
[17:52] <mac_v> mat_t: we could keep the battery off-center and add the plug
[17:56]  * mac_v looks back at the converstaion and notices a *lot* of typos!
[17:57] <mac_v> again! conversation*
[18:14] <mat_t> mac_v: nah, I'd rather keep the battery central
[18:14] <mac_v> mat_t: so, you want an etched-in flash?
[18:15] <mat_t> maybe we could try making the inside of the battery glow when it's charging?
[18:15]  * mat_t is thinking out of da box
[18:16] <mac_v> glow using monochrome colors? and how well would it convey the idea of charging?
[18:17]  * mac_v turns to google for ideas ;p
[18:17] <mat_t> :)
[18:21] <MDC2> andreasn, i've got a question about using icons; metacity and the taskbars window menu (min, max, close) - should these keep their icons even it shouldn't according to the design guides...?
[18:22] <andreasn> MDC2, you should probably ask mpt about that, he
[18:22] <andreasn> 's the guidelines guy
[18:22] <andreasn> he's in #ubuntu-desktop
[18:22] <MDC2> ah, thanks
[18:22] <mac_v> MDC2: 0.o from the title bars!
[18:22] <MDC2> mac_v, ?
[18:23] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[18:23] <mac_v> MDC2: removing the icons , from the title bars?
[18:23] <MDC2> mac_v, why would you like to do that? or.. what?
[18:23] <andreasn> I'm also quite jetlagged, so I should not be trusted with any kind of questions about anything that requires thinking :)
[18:23] <MDC2> hehe.. nice - where've you been?
[18:24] <andreasn> I used to be in Gothenburg, where I live
[18:24] <mac_v> MDC2: oh... i misread... you meant window menu... ah ...
[18:24] <andreasn> and now I'm in Vancouver
[18:25] <MDC2> andreasn, did you get some sun? been sunny here for a few days (linköping)
[18:26]  * mac_v likes icons *every* where ;p
[18:26] <MDC2> mac_v, but now they're gone.. forever and ever ;-)
[18:27] <mac_v> MDC2:  i just turn them on in gconf ... ;p , thats what i love about open source , you can always hack it :)
[18:28] <MDC2> mac_v, let's see how many developers who will care about setting icons in menus and stuff now when they're gone by default..
[18:29] <MDC2> mac_v, but it's opensource as you said :-)
[18:29] <andreasn> MDC2, oh, you're located in Linköping, cool. Weather in Gothenburg seems to be roughly the same (rainy)
[18:29] <andreasn> but it was quite nice in Gothenburg when I left
[18:31] <MDC2> andreasn, yep mostly rainy in gothenburg, rainy last time I was there as well ;)
[18:32] <andreasn> was it windy then as well?
[18:32] <andreasn> it usually is
[18:33] <andreasn> so umbrellas is a nono
[18:33] <MDC2> andreasn, were at liseberg with some friends and quite windy up in the air :)
[18:35] <MDC2> any suggestion for bugs to work on today?
[18:36] <MDC2> preferable nautilus or libwnck
[18:37] <MDC2> fixed http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384435 yesterday and the result; http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=140285&action=view - better then before?
[19:03] <dashua> mac_v, I just noticed a similar outbox icon on my Pre except it has a star in the box.
[19:03] <dashua> I like it.
[19:04] <mac_v> hates dashua boasting about his PRE ;p
[19:04] <dashua> Hehe
[19:04] <dashua> Just noticed it today.
[19:05] <dashua> mac_v, What is this new throbber you were speaking of?  Boot animation?
[19:08] <mac_v> dashua: yeah... they are using the boot animation , but i prefer the progress bar
[19:08] <mac_v> *using the throbber for the boot
[19:09] <dashua> Ah, is that uploaded yet or still in testing?
[19:10] <mac_v> dashua: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo
[19:10] <MDC2> mac_v, very "glowy" menu items
[19:11] <mac_v> MDC2: not my idea ;p
[19:11] <MDC2> pretty nice, but I don't like the background color
[19:11] <MDC2> a color with more "color" - something that made you feel happy would be nice :)
[19:12] <MDC2> mac_v, otherwise really nice!
[19:15] <mac_v> MDC2: i too dont like the background color... > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-August/011206.html you can follow this thread
[19:17] <MDC2> mac_v, great! keep up bothering them :)
[19:18] <mac_v> MDC2: they dont bother that easy , and i dont have so much patience ,to make them ;p
[19:19] <MDC2> mac_v, but please no more f*g brown/orange/bla.. ;-)
[19:20] <thorwil> yeah, more purple and lime, please!!
[19:20] <mac_v> lmao... +1 for brevity
[19:21] <MDC2> "Iteration 1" is the best of the iterations.. i like greenish and blueish :)
[19:22] <MDC2> but definitly not "Iteration 2) - its awful ;)