[09:18] <davmor2> Guys I got karmic unr on AAO over the weekend the new interface started to crash out after about 10-30 seconds leaving you with a black bar that does nothing, is it something that got corrupted with an upgrade should I try a fresh install?
[09:26] <lool> davmor2: What crashes?  Can you connect over SSH?
[09:29] <davmor2> lool: I don't have ssh-server install so no, I can't seem to switch over to console either.  I think I'll try a fresh install and see if that fixes it I'll drop ssh-servers
[09:30] <lool> okay
[12:52] <dolga> hello
[12:52] <dolga> anyone here knows how to install ubuntu mid on hp ipaq hx4700??
[15:45] <derekS> hey guys. whats the deal with moblin/ubuntu? is there a more netbookish ubuntu than the one that came with my dell netbook?
[15:45] <derekS> ideally based on moblin?
[15:52] <lool> derekS: The moblin stack is partially packaged publicly
[15:52] <lool> But not fully in Ubuntu yet
[15:52] <lool> derekS: I recommend sticking to UNR for now
[15:54] <ogra> though the default UNR looks a lot different from the launcher dell ships afauk
[15:54] <ogra> *afaik
[15:54] <ogra> "more netbookish" probably 
[15:55] <derekS> ogra: its not just the launcher, its the whole experience
[15:56] <ogra> well, pull an UNR image and try it from USB, its a live image so you can easily compare to what you have installed
[15:56] <derekS> it would be nice to have the 25 second boot time, the great UX, with the ubuntu backend
[15:56] <derekS> ogra: is there a vmware image?
[15:57] <ogra> the karmic images are isos 
[15:57] <ogra> you should be able to run them in vbox, qemu, kvm or vmware
[15:57] <derekS> yeah, thankss, i'll try it out
[16:27] <ian_brasil> i like the new unr interface b.t.w
[16:36] <lool> ian_brasil: The one in karmic?
[16:39] <ian_brasil> yes
[16:40] <lool> njpatel: ^
[16:40] <lool> njpatel: kudos for new UNR
[16:42] <njpatel> lool: thanks :)
[16:42] <njpatel> it's the design team's work, though :)
[16:42]  * njpatel needs to fix the crasher on exit
[16:43] <ian_brasil> right, it is very professional...i found a launcher bug though #411088 which happened after a suspend/resume kernel bug #411091
[16:43] <njpatel> weird, can't see it
[16:43] <ian_brasil> netbook-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT()
[16:45] <njpatel> ian_brasil: ah right, i'll fix that first-thing tomorrow. I've seen the dups pile up today, but am busy with some other deadlines.
[16:45] <njpatel> hopefully the fix will land in alpha 4
[16:47] <ian_brasil> njpatel, thx - *much* slicker interface..i have had a couple of 'i want that' requests already
[16:49] <njpatel> ian_brasil: nice :) More stuff is possible with the new architecture, I'm going to try and do a few posts on planet ubuntu detailing it in the couple of weeks, hopefully people can do some cool stuff with it
[16:50] <ian_brasil> and i personally like the grouping of everything in 'system'..the focus on the user interface is really paying off so congrats
[18:22] <derekS> so just downloaded the UNR. nice UI. Is there an effort to make it more like moblin?
[18:22] <derekS> less desktopish
[18:22] <derekS> more netbookish?
[18:26] <derekS> imho, this is too desktopish, and moblin isn't desktopish enough
[18:29] <ian_brasil> derekS, i think that is called personal taste ;)
[18:47] <derekS> ian_brasil: playing with them, i feel like they have different goals
[18:48] <ian_brasil> well they are different projects
[19:06] <derekS> ian_brasil: yeah, the ubuntu is much more full featured, but the UX of moblin is pretty amazing, imho, it is just too limiting
[19:06] <derekS> i hope that UNR builds on moblin
[19:13] <ian_brasil> there was a spec for this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/MobileKarmicMoblinRemix but i think it was dropped
[19:14] <ian_brasil> but theoretically you could just install ubuntu minimal and then build the moblin interface using alien on the rpm's
[19:19] <derekS> ian_brasil: yeah, i saw that. the greatest part about ubuntu is that we don't have to do that :)
[19:21] <ian_brasil> well i think the greatest part is that we *can* do that :)
[19:29] <derekS> ian_brasil: haha yeah
[20:47] <ian_brasil> derekS, http://blog.canonical.com/?p=173