[06:16] Hello, is Intel X45000HD graphics chip supported by Ubuntu (wether jaunty or karmic) ? [11:14] hey guys. i'm testing the radeon KMS code. other than resuming from standby being broken, the biggest issue for me is performance. DRI performance is 2-4-fold reduced for me, depending on the situation, compiz feels sluggish at times. what does upstream say about that - do they think they will be able to speed that up somewhat in time for release? [11:14] also, scrolling in GTK apps for example is much slower than with the non-KMS code. [11:15] they'll probably have things working in f12 [11:16] that's sort of the same timeframe as karmic, right? [11:17] a bit later [11:17] and they'll likely use a newer kernel [11:18] tseliot: I haven't, no hw for that [11:20] tjaalton: ok, no problem. I was wondering if we could use nouveau to replace nvidia-glx-71 (which should be removed from karmic) [11:21] tseliot: ok, why should it be removed? [11:22] tjaalton: because Nvidia didn't (and won't) add the support for xserver 1.6.x to that driver [11:22] ah, so it still hasn't.. ok [11:23] supporting nouveau like that would imo mean shipping the drm driver with the kernel [11:23] ah so we don't do that [11:24] which should be doable, just a bit of work to make sure there are no collisions [11:24] nope [11:24] Although we'd need to pull in a newer drm.ko & ttm.ko. [11:24] can't that be done with dkms instead? [11:24] there's nouveau-kernel-source for that [11:24] That's what's currently done. [11:24] and what's the problem with using the current approach then? [11:25] it should be moved to main [11:25] * tseliot is just trying to understand [11:25] I guess [11:25] ok, do we still default to "nv" for nvidia? [11:25] yes [11:26] and does nouveau have 3D acceleration? (the version in Karmic) [11:26] no [11:26] needs some crackhead branch for mesa [11:27] ok, then we should keep using "nv". Update manager will switch to "nv" with nvidia-common [11:27] yes [11:27] good [11:29] Upstream would be extremely unhappy with us if we shipped nouveau's 3D component. [11:30] yes, it's totally unsupported [11:30] But we might want to use nouveau over nv, given that it's got 2d acceleration (and kms). [11:31] Problem is, I've got no hardware that's only supported by -71, so I don't know nouveau's status on that hardware. [11:32] Nouveau will be a bit more fragile than nv, too, since it recently regained a hard-dependency on the kernel module. [11:34] I should probably try nouveau again [11:36] The edgers ppa version supports kms on everything I've got access to (and works nicely). === james_w` is now known as james_w [14:32] --help [17:17] can i disable UXA in karmic? [17:20] no, i don't think you can [17:20] why would you want to anyway? [17:21] because UXA kill/hangs kdm on logout [17:21] you can configure kdm to not do that [17:22] what? configure kdm to not crash X server? [17:22] yes [17:22] what are you talking about? [17:22] specifically, to terminate the server and using a new one, instead of reusing the same [17:23] i think it is done by default now.. [17:23] therefore avoiding the intel bug where it crashes when you init a second session [17:23] any tip to do that configuration? [17:24] there was something on the fdo bug [17:25] fdo bug? [17:25] which bug? [17:26] i only know Bug #371500 [17:26] Launchpad bug 371500 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965gm] X server crash at closing session if kdm is in use. [UXA bug]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371500 [17:26] 20516 iirc [17:27] shouldn't be too hard to find.. [17:29] sorry by my ingnorance, but, what does "20516 iirc" mean? [17:55] i cannot find that option in kdmrc [19:28] is anyone here using the xorg crack on Jaunty? [19:29] xorg crack? [19:29] https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa [19:33] would the xorg crack drivers fix this problem: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/250969/ [19:33] I'm running the ubuntu-x-swat intel 2.7 driver [19:34] ping bryce ^^^^ [19:35] maybe, if you get a new kernel too [19:35] yeah, well that ppa comes with [19:35] 2.6.30 [19:35] micahg, dunno not an error I've seen before [19:35] ah, ok [19:36] well, has anyone actually used the xorg-edgers stuff for a while? [19:36] xorg-video-intel 2.7 got my dual screens working, but it started crashing [19:36] karmic is more sensible :) [19:37] I'm wondering if 2.8 wiil fix it [19:37] I can't go to karmic as this is my prod laptop [19:37] well the errors are from the kernel [19:37] ah [19:37] I thought they were from the graphics driver module though [19:37] just try getting the kernel and nothing else [19:37] tjaalton: do you guys have 865 issues in karmic? bgoglin says X hangs on startup.. [19:38] tjaalton: kernel from where? [19:38] xorg-edgers? [19:38] micahg: yes [19:38] ok [19:39] jcristau: I haven't triaged -intel for a while, but I remember someone on the forums saying that 8xx have issues with kms and disabling it worked around the problem [19:39] k [19:40] s/for/in/ [20:14] tjaalton: it seems to have worked [20:15] xscreensaver no longer crashes my box [20:15] the kernel worked [21:36] jcristau, yes I sent a slew of 8xx bugs upstream over the past few weeks [21:37] jcristau, I speculate some quirks didn't get copied into the kernel, but most of the issues I sent were existing issues from pre-KMS