[00:55] <ToStItOs> will any external dial up modem work with Xubuntu?
[01:04] <Darth_Tux> ToStItOs, probably the ones that will work with any linux
[01:28] <ToStItOs> thanks Darth Tux
[02:46] <Happy-Dude> hiya: I have a question with the partition manager: http://imgur.com/qKzcW.png -- what do I select for the "Mouse point" option?
[02:47] <th0r> hehe you mean MOUNT point.
[02:48] <Happy-Dude> [>.<] my mistake
[02:48] <th0r> is this going to be your only linux partition?
[02:48] <Happy-Dude> mhm
[02:49] <th0r> a suggestion....create three partitions...the first will be the linux OS...and needs about 10-15GB. The second is swap, and should be 1 to 1.5 times your memory size. The third, is the rest of the space for linux. The first mounts to / ... the second is swap and has no mount, the third mounts to /home
[02:50] <th0r> The first mount point is just / no dots
[02:51] <Happy-Dude> this is actually what the person I'm also talking to on #crunchbang is suggesting :)
[02:51] <th0r> as for the file system, I have been using ext4 with no problems, but have heard a few that have had trouble, so you might want to use ext3
[02:51] <Happy-Dude> what would the effect of tweaking vm.swappiness do?
[02:52] <th0r> if you have plenty of ram you don't really need swap. I monitor my system with gkrellm and have never seen the swap space used...I have 2GB ram
[02:52] <th0r> so the short answer is on modern computers swapiness has little to no effect
[02:52] <Happy-Dude> 384 MB, so x3 would be about ... I'll just set it to 1.2 GB
[02:52] <th0r> I wouldn't think you would need more than about 512MB
[02:53] <th0r> too much swap is just wasted hard drive space.
[02:54] <th0r> wait a minute while I type that info into #crunchbang <smile>
[02:54] <Happy-Dude> so, a fair swap size ... since I do have little ram, I should just keep with 1GB, right? (I don't store that much data anyway)
[02:55] <th0r> I would only make the swap about 512MB for 384MB ram....no need for much more.
[02:55] <th0r> unless you are trying to do cad or graphics editing...in which case you really should buy another computer
[02:55] <th0r> or at least more ram
[02:56] <Happy-Dude> heh, alright, I got it ^^
[02:56] <Happy-Dude> what would the swap's partition be: logical?
[02:57] <th0r> no...it is just swap....there is no filesystem or partition...just swap
[02:58] <Happy-Dude> oohh okay -- sry, I'm a bit new to this [>.>]
[02:58] <th0r> np
[02:58] <th0r> I was new to it once.....then all the dinosaurs died....
[02:58] <Happy-Dude> x)
[03:01] <Happy-Dude> for the Linux OS (the / partition) -- is it supposed to be logical or primary?
[03:02] <th0r> primary if possible
[03:02] <th0r> are you sharing the drive with windows or osx?
[03:02] <Happy-Dude> got it (swap is also assigned to primary -- is that a problem?) --- no, complete fresh install
[03:02] <Happy-Dude> well, over ubuntu 9.04
[03:03] <th0r> shouldn't be a problem..../home can be a logical partition, but I think you can have three primaries.
[03:03] <Happy-Dude> what is the difference between logical and primary?
[03:04] <th0r> I am not a hard drive expert...but I know the number of primary partitions is limited., I also know that windows must be in a primary partition, but thinnk it is possible to run linux from a logical if necessary
[03:06] <Happy-Dude> alright, sounds cool: no windows parition, and the 3 paritions can be primary
[03:07] <th0r> if you have to reinstall or want to do a fresh install for the next upgrade, do NOT format the /home partition...keep it. That way all your configs and personal data are intact even if you do a totally fresh install
[03:07] <th0r> and it is almost always a good idea to do a fresh install when you upgrade a distro
[03:07] <Happy-Dude> (I don't believe I had a /home partition)
[03:08] <th0r> most new users make one partition and mount it to / but then if you want to reformat and reinstall you lose everything.
[03:08] <Happy-Dude> yeah -- something kinda messed up when moving from Intrepdi to Jaunty [~_~] (faster, but some stuff didn't work quite right)
[03:08] <th0r> if you have a separate /home, everything can remain intact even though you reformat the / partition
[03:08] <Happy-Dude> so, that's why I'm making one now right?
[03:08] <th0r> yeah...my point exactly.
[03:09] <Happy-Dude> does the order of partitioning matter?
[03:09] <th0r> yeah....by making one now, when you upgrade to karmic you can do a fresh install but not lose any of /home
[03:09] <th0r> order isn't really an issue
[03:10] <Happy-Dude> well, I've learned at space at the end of the drive runs faster, so swap should be at the end ?
[03:10] <th0r> faster? You got a cray?
[03:10] <Happy-Dude> (dunno -- it's just what I've learned from Windows and its defragging behaviors)
[03:10] <th0r> modern drive speeds are such that the order of the partitions is not really an issue
[03:11] <th0r> used to be...but not much anymore
[03:11] <Happy-Dude> for ATA, perhaps it is?
[03:11] <th0r> yeah...but you are in the real world now...where things work like they are supposed to <smile>
[03:11] <th0r> although not always the way we THINK they should
[03:11] <Happy-Dude> lol
[03:12] <Happy-Dude> the Linux OS should be the '/' Mount Point, right?
[03:12] <th0r> right
[03:12] <th0r> you will find the OS there /usr , /var , /etc , and so on
[03:12] <Happy-Dude> (would this impact me in anyway during typical file operations?) -- like, would I have to know anything in advance when browsing/ saving/ editing/ moving?
[03:12] <th0r> everything but /home
[03:13] <th0r> nope....partitions and drives are totally transparent in linux. When you mount a usb drive, for instance, it is just another folder in the tree
[03:13] <th0r> there is no C and D like in windows...it is all folders
[03:14] <th0r> when you plug in an mp3 player, or a usb drive, or a thumb drive, it will show up as a folder in /media
[03:14] <Happy-Dude> I see -- looks like I've got some learning to do with Linux and Windows filesystem differences :)
[03:15] <th0r> check out the linux documentation project (tldp.org) and this link.....http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html
[03:15] <Happy-Dude> so, the Linux OS is a 20 GB partition (though it doesn't appear as one -- is 19.1 close enough?)
[03:15] <Happy-Dude> ah, I've saved that up too -- going to look at it... when I have time [>.>] ...
[03:15] <th0r> oh yeah...I left 35GB for / and am sorry I did. With my install (lots of stuff) I am using less than 7GB
[03:15] <BenBurch> Good evening!
[03:16] <Happy-Dude> I'm guessing since this is a minimal install, I should just do 15 GM ?
[03:16] <Happy-Dude> GB*
[03:16] <th0r> 15 will be plenty
[03:16] <th0r> save the rest for /home so you can take more pictures or rip more CDs
[03:17] <Happy-Dude> gotcha, sounds good
[03:17] <th0r> EVERYTHING that is yours should go in your home directory...it will be /home/<username>
[03:17] <Happy-Dude> mhm
[03:17] <th0r> save all your docs, manuals, pictures, etc there...nowhere else
[03:17] <Happy-Dude> and thusly, I can manipulate Linux installs while preserving my data, right?
[03:18] <th0r> except, of course, for the removable stuff in /media that I mentioned earlier <smile>
[03:18] <th0r> right
[03:18] <th0r> all your configs for programs and stuff like that will be there too...so when you change the OS your login for email stays, as does  your config for irc, etc
[03:19] <BenBurch> I have a question about X11 setup.  I have a netbook that has a 1024x600 display.  Is there a way to get X to create a virtual desktop larger than the hardware display and slide about in it somehow?
[03:19] <th0r> I am the wrong person for that question BenBurch, hopefully someone else is watching who can help
[03:20] <th0r> I believe it is possible, but don't know how
[03:20] <BenBurch> I know it used to be possible.  But xorg.conf is an empty file on Xubuntu, so the condiguration must be elsewhere
[03:22] <th0r> ubuntu changed to xorg in a recent release and things have changed. That is why I said...I am not the person to ask...too much OLD info in the attic here
[03:23] <th0r> BenBurch: you can get multiple desktops in xfce.
[03:24] <th0r> BenBurch: and I just discovered that if you set the pager to have TWO rows you can drag a window either to the right or down...never knew that before <smile>
[03:24] <Happy-Dude> th0r: this looking good? http://imgur.com/qxGGa.png
[03:25] <th0r> looks good. The only caveat is again...ext4 might give you a problem. I am using it and love it, but have heard some comments on #ubuntu about others having problems
[03:25] <BenBurch> Th0r yeah, I tried that, but the window is displayed in one or the other only.
[03:25] <th0r> I am running jaunty
[03:25] <th0r> BenBurch: yeah...I thought about that when I was answering you earlier
[03:25] <BenBurch> SO, you cannot look to the screen below you to see the rest of it
[03:26] <BenBurch> yep
[03:26] <Happy-Dude> th0r: I wouldn't think it'd be a major problem, not doing any major file operations on the PC -- it's just a hobby PC (my Windows PC is still my main)
[03:26] <th0r> then give it a go...good luck
[03:27] <th0r> and btw...I always suggest to new people if possible to run linux on a second computer...keep their important stuff on the other computer until they are comfortable with linux...so good move
[03:28] <BenBurch> Doing it in a VM is a good choice too
[03:29] <th0r> if you have a vm, yes. I have seven different OSs in my vm
[03:29] <th0r> but for the life of me I cannot get osx working!
[03:29] <Happy-Dude> th0r: though, would you think that ext4 would conflict with some of the classic ext3 optimizations? (like those in http://kmandla.wordpress.com/projects/set-up-ubuntu-for-speed/)
[03:29] <BenBurch> I have Parallels on my mac, and have everything on there.  Even Solaris X86
[03:30] <th0r> I have solaris...but not osx...would love to tinker with a mac...never had the money for one
[03:30] <BenBurch> These days I am a Solaris engineer.  Not by choice!
[03:30] <BenBurch> Th0r, you can install OSX on a PC.
[03:31] <BenBurch> http://www.osx86project.org/
[03:31] <th0r> Happy-Dude: those tweaks should stilll work. I do the preload and profile, and have taken a look with hdparm. I don't get too carried away though...those tweaks can prove deadly and I would rather not take the risk
[03:32] <Happy-Dude> cool -- that's good to know :) thanks
[03:32] <th0r> BenBurch: I am trying to get it into a vm...and from what I have read on the web I am not alone in my misery
[03:32] <Happy-Dude> everything check out? http://imgur.com/U2mLk.png
[03:33] <th0r> Happy-Dude: so long as you are sure there is nothing on the drive you want...next step will totally destroy existing data on the drive
[03:35] <Happy-Dude> all backed-up and ready to go (my morning activity [-_-] ... gahh that took a long time [~_~])
[03:35] <th0r> good luck
[03:35] <th0r> it may have taken a while...but look how much smarter you are <smile>
[03:36] <Happy-Dude> 1 last question: the files/ things I saved on the live cd session won't get ported or anything like that to the install, right?
[03:36] <th0r> shouldn't
[03:36] <Happy-Dude> cool
[03:36] <Happy-Dude> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP :D !!
[03:37] <th0r> np Good luck
[03:45] <caocheng> how can i merge the menu file in ~/.config/menu/applications-merged
[03:45] <th0r> caocheng: what release of xubuntu?
[03:46] <caocheng> jaunty
[03:46] <th0r> caocheng: I believe in jaunty all the menu items come from .desktop files in either /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications
[03:47] <th0r> caocheng: I am running xfce in jaunty and have no ~/.config/menu
[03:49] <caocheng> but i do have
[03:49] <caocheng> i installed wine
[03:49] <caocheng> and a windows progran
[03:49] <caocheng> and then it appears
[03:50] <caocheng> its a menufile
[03:50] <th0r> indeed. I have several programs installed under wine, but don't have that folder.
[03:50] <th0r> caocheng: I recognize the filename...I think it is a holdover from the old way of doing things in xfce
[03:51] <th0r> caocheng: there may be a way to merge the info, but I don't know it. I have had to add several things to the menu, and always had to create a .desktop file for each menu item
[03:55] <Happy-Dude_> th0r: darn, something failed while formatting (or something) for dev/sda3 -- the swap
[03:58] <Happy-Dude_> what is this error? The attempt to mount a file system with type swap in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #3 (sda) at none failed.  You may resume partitioning from the partitioning menu.
[03:58] <th0r> Happy-Dude_: the only thing I can think is ... swap is swap...I don't remember ever having to make it primary or logical...it is a separate section of the drive without a mount point
[04:00] <th0r> swap isn't mounted....my mount command doesn't show it at all
[04:00] <th0r> so the reason that failed is, as it indicates, it is trying to mount swap...and shouldn't
[04:01] <Happy-Dude_> hm [~_~]
[04:01] <th0r> here is my mount info.....http://pastebin.com/f11de6b71
[04:02] <Happy-Dude_> is there a terminal command to check my mounts
[04:02] <Happy-Dude_> and to unmount all (unecessary) devices?
[04:02] <th0r> mount
[04:02] <th0r> and sudo umount /dev/??? to unmount
[04:03] <th0r> Happy-Dude_: the install aborted right? I would start over and pay particular attention to the file system and mount point for swap this time
[04:03] <Happy-Dude_> what's the mount point?
[04:03] <Happy-Dude_> yeah, install aborted, clicked continue, and returned to the partition screen
[04:04] <Happy-Dude_> here is my mount data (live cd session) http://pastebin.com/m28e053ae
[04:04] <th0r> right....that is where you want to be...redo the partitioning
[04:04] <th0r> at least the swap portion
[04:04] <th0r> paste the screen again for the partitioning...the one where you define a partition
[04:05] <Happy-Dude_> alright, gimme a moment (while I delete all and do it again)
[04:06] <Happy-Dude_> here we go (i set it to the end and made it a logical this time)
[04:07] <Happy-Dude_> getting link right now ...
[04:07] <Happy-Dude_> http://imgur.com/3IvoF.png
[04:07] <Happy-Dude_> is this what you asked for?
[04:08] <Happy-Dude_> th0r: I'll wait for a response before I continue with the install
[04:08] <th0r> yeah....looks like the only thing that could have gone wrong is the logical/primary checkbox...so give it a go
[04:09] <Happy-Dude_> alright, let's check this out :D
[04:11] <Happy-Dude_> th0r: LOOKS LIKE A SUCCESS :D
[04:11] <th0r> learn something new every day <smile>
[04:12] <Happy-Dude_> (no error messages, that's good)
[04:12] <th0r> nah...without error messages how will we know what is going wrong?
[04:13] <th0r> get used to the idea....linux is already failing...you just haven't gotten the error message yet
[04:13] <Happy-Dude_> (is that sarcasm :P ?)
[04:14] <th0r> there are two types of people in the world...optimists and realists
[04:15] <Happy-Dude_> well, then everything could be argued that its failing [>.>]
[04:15] <Happy-Dude_> (or am I missing the point?)
[04:15] <th0r> of course. I live on a sailboat...cruising is defined as fixing your boat in exotic places.
[04:15] <th0r> and the secret to successful cruising is to always carry an extra boat
[04:16] <Happy-Dude_> similar to how I like to own multiple PCs of different platforms?
[04:16] <th0r> yeah. I call them habits....HAlf Baked Implementations of Technology
[04:16] <Happy-Dude_> (oh, and I now understand why IRC support is important: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/4016/how-do-i-install-with-ext4/ -- no replys from this entire ordeal -- though one reason might be because I already found help here ^^)
[04:17] <Happy-Dude_> lol good one ;)
[04:17] <th0r> cell phones, computers, digital tv...all habits
[04:20] <Happy-Dude_> thats actually pretty good ... i'll use that :)
[04:20] <th0r> careful....being honest can get you in trouble
[04:22] <Happy-Dude_> lol looks like there'll never be any escaping that (realism)
[04:22] <th0r> hehehe....yeah...but too much gets identified as 'not a team player'
[04:23] <th0r> how is the install going? should be installing the OS now, right?
[04:23] <Happy-Dude_> 94% right now, configuring hardware
[04:23] <th0r> is this an xubuntu install?
[04:24] <Happy-Dude_> nope, crunchbang linux: www.crunchbanglinux.org
[04:25] <Happy-Dude_> (xubuntu got a bit bloated + slow for my tastes -- though the IRC is still amazing since it contains the knowledge of Ubuntu, but with less rowdy people ^^)
[04:25] <Happy-Dude_> (have you tried it before?)
[04:25] <th0r> I have heard that xfce is actually faster than openbox, so if you get adventurous install xubuntu-desktop and try xfce...thunar is, I think, the best file manager on the planet
[04:26] <Happy-Dude_> i like thunar too
[04:26] <th0r> I agree about the rowdy people. That is why I am here and not #ubuntu
[04:27] <Happy-Dude_> thou, i just find xubuntu's implementation of xfce 'slower' than what I'd expect -- (there was a tuxradar article of where debian+xfce performed faster than xubuntu)
[04:27] <th0r> may have to try openbox...never used it
[04:27] <Happy-Dude_> similar to fluxbox
[04:27] <th0r> yeah....ubuntu has done a few things i am not in total agreement with
[04:27] <th0r> never used fluxbox either <smile>
[04:27] <Happy-Dude_> works wonders on old hardware (256MB ram live cd sessions are very good)
[04:28] <Happy-Dude_> thou, certainly, if you have more than a gig of ram, its being wasted if you go too minimal
[04:28] <th0r> well, I am an old systems analyst...anal about performance
[04:28] <Happy-Dude_> lol, sounds good ;)
[04:28] <th0r> like I mentioned...I have gkrellm on the desktop and maintain a continuous watch on system parameters
[04:29] <Happy-Dude_> as always, just burn a live cd and give it a go :) -- but be weary -- there is no desktop and the menu is a bit weird
[04:29] <Happy-Dude_> (took some trial months before I finally decided to move) - learned to configure things on the system a lot prior to the jump
[04:29] <th0r> well, I will be leaving the marina in a couple of weeks and won't have internet on a regular basis until next summer...so doubt I will try it any time soon.
[04:30] <Happy-Dude_> also, try out linux mint 6 fluxbox Community Edition -- i found it also performs as nicely
[04:30] <Happy-Dude_> aw, shame
[04:30] <th0r> I have heard a lot about mint...and have to admit the website sure makes it look appealing
[04:31] <Happy-Dude_> just note: desktop managers (gnome, xfce) are vastly different [and fully featured] than windows managers (fluxbox, openbox)
[04:31] <th0r> oh yeah. I have been tinkering with linux since slackware 1.0....am quite familiar with minimal desktops and wm's <smile>
[04:32] <Happy-Dude_> I was actually able to configure my desktop on liveCDs to this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33129560@N08/3750756163/sizes/o/
[04:33] <Happy-Dude_> just be sure to check #! out when you got the chance, its amazing ^^
[04:33] <Happy-Dude_> and my install is done right now -- shall we continue to chat or should I proceed to reboot ;) ?
[04:34] <th0r> well, even now I have not seen anything that looks as good as the old enlightenment 16...too bad they moved on
[04:34] <th0r> go ahead....I need to shut down and get some sleep anyway...good luck
[04:35] <Happy-Dude_> thanks a lot th0r hope to see you around :)
[18:01] <oly562> i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. Any suggestions?
[18:20] <proq> where are the apt packages stored after xubuntu installs them?
[18:21] <Darth_Tux> proq, i would guess somewhere in /etc/apt/
[18:22] <proq> oh, looks like /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:23] <Darth_Tux> or there :p
[18:23] <oly562> i can't ping a wireless printer server. it's ip is 192...104/24 and my ip is .90. simple network, used to work, but after loading 9.04 i can not ping it anymore from this wireless nic. my gw is standard, .1/24 and my nic is intel running wicd. UFW is off, and all other computers wired can ping that device and access it. there are no restrictions on the print server yet. I switched from 8.04 LTS to 9.0 and i just noticed this happening
[19:44] <cemunal> hi
[19:44] <Darth_Tux> hello
[19:46] <cemunal> i can't install midori from ppa
[19:46] <cemunal> can somebody help me?
[19:47] <cemunal> i added webkit_team and midori ppa but it says me:
[19:48] <cemunal> midori: Depends: libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.27.2) but 2.26.0-0ubuntu3 will not install
[19:48] <cemunal> *will install
[19:49] <cemunal> Depends: libwebkit-1.0-2 (>= 1.1.6) but will not install
[20:13]  * cemunal away
[21:59]  * cemunal back
[22:03] <cemunal> (21:46:44) cemunal: i can't install midori from ppa
[22:03] <cemunal> (21:46:50) cemunal: can somebody help me?
[22:03] <cemunal> (21:47:32) cemunal: i added webkit_team and midori ppa but it says me:
[22:03] <cemunal> (21:48:29) cemunal: midori: Depends: libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.27.2) but 2.26.0-0ubuntu3 will not install
[22:03] <cemunal> (21:48:43) cemunal: *will install
[22:03] <cemunal> (21:49:04) cemunal: Depends: libwebkit-1.0-2 (>= 1.1.6) but will not install
[23:12] <GavinMcG> I've got Xubuntu on a headless server, and I'm logged into it over SSH with X forwarding enabled. I'm using Xming and PuTTY on a Windows machine. When I log in, I'm told ~/.Xauthority is not writable, and when I try to run an X application, I'm get "PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted" and "Error: Can't open display"
[23:12] <GavinMcG> Could anyone suggest what I need to change?
[23:31] <moonside> hi
[23:31] <moonside> can anyone help me with a problem?
[23:36] <cody-somerville> moonside, not if you don't tell us what your problem is :-)
[23:36] <moonside> ok
[23:36] <moonside> Im trying to install flashplayer 10 on xubuntu, the guide I am using says to enter the following command
[23:37] <moonside> cp /home/moonside/desktop/libflashplayer.so .
[23:37] <moonside> but when I do that
[23:37] <moonside> I get permission denied
[23:37] <cody-somerville> Where is this guide?
[23:38] <moonside> randomconsultant.blogspot.com/2009/08/installing-flash-for-firefox-in-xubuntu.html
[23:39] <moonside> im very green to linux
[23:39] <moonside> ;s
[23:39] <cody-somerville> moonside, just download it from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[23:39] <cody-somerville> Select .deb for Ubuntu 8.04+
[23:39] <cody-somerville> moonside, Be sure to uninstall flashplugin-nonfree first
[23:40] <moonside> ok
[23:40]  * cody-somerville goes and gets some dinner.
[23:44] <moonside> when I try to open the package
[23:44] <moonside> I get
[23:45] <moonside> error dependency is not satisfiable
[23:45] <moonside> libnspr4-dev
[23:59] <moonside> OUAHAHA
[23:59] <moonside> I made it work
[23:59] <moonside> in that guide the guy typed "sudu su" but it was supposed to be "sudo su"