| djsiegel2 | ok, gtg guys | 00:00 |
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| djsiegel2 | great work today! love when we all get going on the papercuts together | 00:00 |
| MDC2 | hehe, bye bye! | 00:00 |
| mac_v | MDC2: could you look into this> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332078 | 00:10 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 332078 in File Search Interface "Search button should be a toggle button" [Minor,New] | 00:10 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, isn't someone else working on that one? | 00:11 |
| MDC2 | last patch from 3 days ago... | 00:12 |
| mac_v | MDC2: he seems to have some trouble , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/57210/comments/8 , maybe you can speed things up :) | 00:12 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 57210 in hundredpapercuts "Search button does not toggle search field" [Undecided,In progress] | 00:12 |
| MDC2 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332078#c15 | 00:13 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 332078 in File Search Interface "Search button should be a toggle button" [Minor,New] | 00:13 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, improved patch from Nikos | 00:13 |
| MDC2 | from 8:e aug | 00:13 |
| MDC2 | 8th aug | 00:13 |
| mac_v | MDC2: oh ok... didnt notice that | 00:13 |
| mrooney | It would be easier to triage bugs if we could easily find all paper cut bugs which have a task marked as fix committed or released | 00:50 |
| beuno | mrooney, you can | 01:27 |
| mrooney | beuno: oh, how so? | 01:28 |
| beuno | mrooney, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?advanced=1 | 01:28 |
| mrooney | I mean paper cut bugs which have ANOTHER task fixed, so I can easily see what paper cuts might be fixed but aren't marked as such | 01:28 |
| beuno | ah | 01:29 |
| beuno | I see | 01:29 |
| beuno | you could do that with the API if you're into python and learning new things :) | 01:29 |
| beuno | iterate over all papercut bugs, and query the other bugtasks | 01:30 |
| beuno | https://help.launchpad.net/API/ | 01:30 |
| * beuno -> dinner | 01:30 | |
| ara | morning! | 06:28 |
| mac_v | ara: hi... you are part of the design team right? | 08:37 |
| ara | mac_v, no, I am not :( | 08:38 |
| mac_v | ara: oh...ok, i thought you worked for canonical | 08:38 |
| ara | mac_v, I do, but I am not part of the design team :-9 | 08:38 |
| ara | :-) | 08:38 |
| ara | mac_v, what's the question, anyways? | 08:39 |
| mac_v | ara: ah... well... MDC2 has been itching to fix the missing icons from the menus... when you find a menu not having an icon kindly report a bug and inform MDC2 :) | 08:39 |
| ara | mac_v, ok, will do :) | 08:40 |
| mac_v | :) | 08:40 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, should we also fix all the applications that still has icons on buttons? | 09:53 |
| mac_v | MDC2: where? i dont recall any buttons having icons | 09:53 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, one example is update manager | 09:54 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, computer janitor | 09:55 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, I think applications that has set images by "force" still have their icons | 09:56 |
| mac_v | MDC2: nice catch... they should be removed , open lp bug reports about that and also remind mpt | 09:56 |
| mac_v | MDC2: BTW , update manager is being revamped , so mpt *needs* to be reminded about the buttons | 09:57 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, by force i mean not using standard stock icons but in stead add an image to the hbox inside the button | 09:58 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, so i think the problem exists on a lot of places.. | 09:58 |
| mac_v | MDC2: each app will need a separate patch... to fix the OS fully will take time | 09:59 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, yep. I'm not sure how to fix those issues.. | 10:00 |
| mac_v | MDC2: the major problem as i said before is, alpha users have just reverted the gconf setting...! so devs are aware of the problem nor are they bothered as of now | 10:00 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, also ubuntu one (click connect) | 10:01 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, mhm.. but we can be one step ahead :-) | 10:01 |
| mac_v | MDC2: thats where you come ;) | 10:01 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, nevermind ubuntu one - it was firefox restore prev session | 10:02 |
| MDC2 | didn't look at the text, just saw the icons | 10:02 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, ;-) | 10:02 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, main menu editor is a good example (4 icons) | 10:04 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, screensaver prefs, startup app prefs... | 10:05 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, what's said about icons in tabs? | 10:06 |
| mac_v | MDC2: tag all LP bug reports "menu-icons" , so that these are easier to find | 10:07 |
| MDC2 | mac_v, it's not menu icons, it's button icons ;_) | 10:07 |
| mac_v | MDC2: i know , but just tag "menu-icons" so that they are all together | 10:08 |
| MDC2 | ok, but no time today, and now breakfast. but it seems like a huge job....... | 10:09 |
| mac_v | MDC2: thats because the design team is already aware of that tag , and can later name if they want | 10:09 |
| mac_v | ok sure... bye | 10:09 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: i didnt realize that :) i thought Humanity was already decided as the default | 14:58 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v nope | 14:58 |
| djsiegel1 | DanRabbit1: see the sound-and-video icon (used in main menu) -- can you add some color? | 14:59 |
| djsiegel1 | it's two dark overlapping objects | 14:59 |
| djsiegel1 | it's so black | 14:59 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: a simple one > Bug #409338 do you wanna fix this? | 14:59 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 409338 in hundredpapercuts "Change the name of "Hardware drivers"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409338 | 14:59 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v confirm it | 15:02 |
| djsiegel1 | it's not a great one, but it is an easy fix | 15:02 |
| djsiegel1 | users don't encounter it frequently | 15:02 |
| djsiegel1 | and it auto-opens on install | 15:02 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: yeah not a great one > but the menu is always visible thats the only problem , ideally displaying the menu item *only* when drivers are used would be better | 15:03 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: it's not a good idea to add/remove items from a menu conditionally, without explicit user action | 15:04 |
| djsiegel1 | documentation would have to say "open System > Hardware Drivers. If you can't find it, you don't have drivers" | 15:04 |
| mac_v | ah... | 15:05 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: are we short of papercuts? do you want new ones? | 15:06 |
| djsiegel1 | yes, we always want new ones | 15:06 |
| djsiegel1 | I think we have 97 or 98 | 15:06 |
| djsiegel1 | and 6 paperkuts | 15:06 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: i think you can ask seele to find 4 kuts first we can fill the rest later | 15:07 |
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| mrooney1 | djsiegel: round 5 had 11 bugs targeted, should one of them move to round 9 which has 9? | 18:54 |
| mrooney1 | (also I just moved one to fix committed, hooray!) | 18:54 |
| djsiegel | mrooney1: wait 1 sec | 18:54 |
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| djsiegel3 | mrooney: usually there will be 10 papercuts + 1 paperkut | 19:27 |
| mrooney | ah, I see | 20:01 |
| mrooney | hm, I don't seem to see where bug 388949 is actually committed, do you know mac_v? | 20:56 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 388949 in hundredpapercuts "'Clean Up by Name' -> 'Arrange by Name'" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388949 | 20:56 |
| mac_v | mrooney: the patch is done, but needs to be discussed upstream mailing lists , because of concerns about breaking translations | 20:58 |
| mac_v | we can fix it in ubuntu side alone , if we want | 20:58 |
| mrooney | ah okay, but there is no fix committed, right? | 20:58 |
| mrooney | maybe it should be set to Triaged? | 20:59 |
| mac_v | mrooney: nope , no lp branches , triaged would be correct and unassign it | 20:59 |
| mrooney | okay cool, I shall adjust it, thanks :) | 21:00 |
| mccann_ | hey djsiegel1 | 21:50 |
| djsiegel1 | hey mccann_ | 21:50 |
| mccann_ | djsiegel1: was just curious how your backgrounds contest is coming? | 21:51 |
| djsiegel1 | mccann_: really really well | 21:51 |
| djsiegel1 | we've had 1,600 submissions | 21:51 |
| mccann_ | nice! | 21:51 |
| djsiegel1 | do you know how many submissions we got last time we did the wallpaper contest? | 21:51 |
| djsiegel1 | 8! | 21:51 |
| mccann_ | wow | 21:51 |
| djsiegel1 | seriously | 21:51 |
| mccann_ | yeah our gnome contest last year didn't get too many | 21:52 |
| djsiegel1 | that's the difference between using the Ubuntu wiki to collect submissions, and flickr | 21:52 |
| mccann_ | agree | 21:52 |
| mccann_ | smart move | 21:52 |
| djsiegel1 | It's the new eyes we have on the design team | 21:52 |
| mccann_ | is there any way to verify the authenticity of the license on each? | 21:52 |
| djsiegel1 | we were all like "umm, we are not using this wiki" | 21:52 |
| djsiegel1 | mccann_: well, I am supposed to write a script this week | 21:53 |
| djsiegel1 | to download them all and categorize by license | 21:53 |
| djsiegel1 | then we are going to figure out how to pick | 21:53 |
| mccann_ | many times on flickr people incorrectly tag with CC | 21:53 |
| djsiegel1 | hopefully there are 8 or 10 really good ones in there | 21:53 |
| djsiegel1 | well, maybe we'll whittle it down to 100 | 21:53 |
| mccann_ | as i noticed when I was collecting images for the background survey I did | 21:53 |
| djsiegel1 | or 50 | 21:53 |
| djsiegel1 | then start doing some more investigation | 21:53 |
| djsiegel1 | we will contact artists directly before using their work | 21:54 |
| mccann_ | good idea | 21:54 |
| djsiegel1 | just to verify, and to get a larger copy of the image | 21:54 |
| mccann_ | yeah | 21:54 |
| mccann_ | are you going for different themes? | 21:54 |
| djsiegel1 | I am not sure, I don't think I will be involved with picking the finalists | 21:54 |
| mccann_ | btw http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/art/State%20of%20the%20Art%20-%20Wallpapers%20-%202009-08-07.pdf | 21:54 |
| mccann_ | how are you judging? | 21:55 |
| djsiegel1 | mccann_: I don;t know yet | 21:55 |
| djsiegel1 | mccann_: this is cool | 21:56 |
| mccann_ | djsiegel1: you should check out the win7 ones in there | 21:56 |
| djsiegel1 | I know, I have seen them | 21:56 |
| djsiegel1 | that's what kicked this off | 21:56 |
| mccann_ | it would be great to have different categories like that | 21:56 |
| djsiegel1 | I saw these and frantically emailed some folks saying "we can't let windows ship more interesting wallpapers" | 21:56 |
| mccann_ | yeah i did the same | 21:56 |
| djsiegel1 | those XP ones are still pretty great | 21:56 |
| mccann_ | except i didn't have the time to follow up :) | 21:56 |
| mccann_ | I'm excited that you did ! | 21:57 |
| mccann_ | so what do you think about putting some of these in gnome-backgrounds? | 21:57 |
| djsiegel1 | well, I guess that's the call of the original artists | 21:58 |
| djsiegel1 | I am sure they won't object | 21:58 |
| djsiegel1 | although I also think we'd like to have some ubuntu-only ones | 21:58 |
| mccann_ | but you are licensing CC-BY-SA right? | 21:58 |
| djsiegel1 | but there's no way we could or would push something like that | 21:58 |
| djsiegel1 | I don;t know much about CC licensing to be honest | 21:58 |
| mccann_ | what is your license requirement ? | 21:58 |
| mccann_ | do you have contest rules? | 21:59 |
| djsiegel1 | mccann_: yeah, check my blog | 22:00 |
| djsiegel1 | it links to the wiki describing the contest | 22:00 |
| djsiegel1 | I think we should do pre-defined categories for the next release | 22:00 |
| djsiegel1 | say "we're looking for 5 photos of flowers, 5 of animals, and 5 abstract illustrations" | 22:01 |
| djsiegel1 | mccann_: have you seen the snow leopard ones yet? | 22:03 |
| mccann_ | some of them | 22:03 |
| mccann_ | ok so the guidelines page doesn't have licensing requirements apparently | 22:04 |
| mccann_ | but your blog post says CC-BY-SA is required | 22:05 |
| mccann_ | djsiegel1: anyway looks like it will be very successful. I didn't see the deadline listed. When will the selections be made? | 22:17 |
| djsiegel1 | mccann_: I am going to write the script to download submissions pretty soon | 22:18 |
| djsiegel1 | will probably run it this weekend | 22:18 |
| djsiegel1 | so if you want to get something in, I recommend doing it ASAP | 22:19 |
| mccann_ | ok | 22:19 |
| maco | djsiegel1: why have the pdf output of stuff go to Desktop? Documents seems more sensible... portable document format... | 22:47 |
| djsiegel1 | maco: I am just worried about discoverability | 22:47 |
| djsiegel1 | ~/Documents works too | 22:47 |
| djsiegel1 | well... | 22:47 |
| djsiegel1 | actually | 22:47 |
| djsiegel1 | think about what you are doing after you print to pdf | 22:48 |
| djsiegel1 | why do users print to pdf? what comes next? | 22:48 |
| djsiegel1 | that was my original justification for Documents < Desktop | 22:48 |
| djsiegel1 | the argument is, the PDF is transitory | 22:48 |
| djsiegel1 | it's going to be sent or printed, then usually discarded | 22:48 |
| djsiegel1 | the source document is kept, probably in ~/Documents | 22:48 |
| djsiegel1 | so the Desktop is used as a scratch space, thinking that the user is about to go do something with the shiny PDF they just made | 22:49 |
| djsiegel1 | this is a stretch, but think about when you physically print a document | 22:50 |
| djsiegel1 | it ends up in your working area, your "desktop" | 22:50 |
| maco | hmm ok. i usually consider the pdf the "Final" version | 22:50 |
| djsiegel1 | you may email it, or send it | 22:50 |
| djsiegel1 | maco: so, you print PDFs then file them away? | 22:50 |
| djsiegel1 | so later, when you refer to the document, or print or send it, you use the PDF? | 22:50 |
| maco | yes | 22:51 |
| djsiegel1 | I do that with old documents I am not working on any more | 22:51 |
| djsiegel1 | "final" versions | 22:51 |
| maco | maybe it comes from being a latex-user, but i do all my printing from evince or okular | 22:51 |
| djsiegel1 | sounds like a special case, but nonetheless a valid one :) | 22:51 |
| djsiegel1 | maco: maybe we can test PDF usage next, after we finish the archive behavior research? | 22:52 |
| maco | i just figure anyone that's noticed how .doc and .odf can inexplicably change when moved from system to system uses pdf | 22:52 |
| maco | archive behaviour? | 22:52 |
| maco | OH zips tars? | 22:52 |
| djsiegel1 | haha | 22:52 |
| djsiegel1 | exactly | 22:52 |
| maco | i was thinking achive.ubuntu.com | 22:52 |
| djsiegel1 | we had ZERO people participate in the distributed user test | 22:52 |
| maco | the phrase "the archive" means the same as "the repos" to me, so that was a -ENOPARSE | 22:53 |
| maco | distributed user test? | 22:53 |
| djsiegel1 | maco: http://davidsiegel.org/distributed-user-testing-archives/ | 22:53 |
| maco | i kinda think a more common sense name for archive would be bundle | 22:59 |
| maco | the concept of bundling things up is fairly straight forward | 23:00 |
| maco | hard to transfer 10 files at once / hard to carry 10 things at once ... so you put them in a bundle and carry /transfer the bundle | 23:00 |
| maco | archives are like...basements...things go there and never come back | 23:00 |
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