[00:00] ok, gtg guys [00:00] great work today! love when we all get going on the papercuts together [00:00] hehe, bye bye! [00:10] MDC2: could you look into this> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332078 [00:10] Gnome bug 332078 in File Search Interface "Search button should be a toggle button" [Minor,New] [00:11] mac_v, isn't someone else working on that one? [00:12] last patch from 3 days ago... [00:12] MDC2: he seems to have some trouble , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/57210/comments/8 , maybe you can speed things up :) [00:12] Launchpad bug 57210 in hundredpapercuts "Search button does not toggle search field" [Undecided,In progress] [00:13] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332078#c15 [00:13] Gnome bug 332078 in File Search Interface "Search button should be a toggle button" [Minor,New] [00:13] mac_v, improved patch from Nikos [00:13] from 8:e aug [00:13] 8th aug [00:13] MDC2: oh ok... didnt notice that [00:50] It would be easier to triage bugs if we could easily find all paper cut bugs which have a task marked as fix committed or released [01:27] mrooney, you can [01:28] beuno: oh, how so? [01:28] mrooney, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?advanced=1 [01:28] I mean paper cut bugs which have ANOTHER task fixed, so I can easily see what paper cuts might be fixed but aren't marked as such [01:29] ah [01:29] I see [01:29] you could do that with the API if you're into python and learning new things :) [01:30] iterate over all papercut bugs, and query the other bugtasks [01:30] https://help.launchpad.net/API/ [01:30] * beuno -> dinner [06:28] morning! [08:37] ara: hi... you are part of the design team right? [08:38] mac_v, no, I am not :( [08:38] ara: oh...ok, i thought you worked for canonical [08:38] mac_v, I do, but I am not part of the design team :-9 [08:38] :-) [08:39] mac_v, what's the question, anyways? [08:39] ara: ah... well... MDC2 has been itching to fix the missing icons from the menus... when you find a menu not having an icon kindly report a bug and inform MDC2 :) [08:40] mac_v, ok, will do :) [08:40] :) [09:53] mac_v, should we also fix all the applications that still has icons on buttons? [09:53] MDC2: where? i dont recall any buttons having icons [09:54] mac_v, one example is update manager [09:55] mac_v, computer janitor [09:56] mac_v, I think applications that has set images by "force" still have their icons [09:56] MDC2: nice catch... they should be removed , open lp bug reports about that and also remind mpt [09:57] MDC2: BTW , update manager is being revamped , so mpt *needs* to be reminded about the buttons [09:58] mac_v, by force i mean not using standard stock icons but in stead add an image to the hbox inside the button [09:58] mac_v, so i think the problem exists on a lot of places.. [09:59] MDC2: each app will need a separate patch... to fix the OS fully will take time [10:00] mac_v, yep. I'm not sure how to fix those issues.. [10:00] MDC2: the major problem as i said before is, alpha users have just reverted the gconf setting...! so devs are aware of the problem nor are they bothered as of now [10:01] mac_v, also ubuntu one (click connect) [10:01] mac_v, mhm.. but we can be one step ahead :-) [10:01] MDC2: thats where you come ;) [10:02] mac_v, nevermind ubuntu one - it was firefox restore prev session [10:02] didn't look at the text, just saw the icons [10:02] mac_v, ;-) [10:04] mac_v, main menu editor is a good example (4 icons) [10:05] mac_v, screensaver prefs, startup app prefs... [10:06] mac_v, what's said about icons in tabs? [10:07] MDC2: tag all LP bug reports "menu-icons" , so that these are easier to find [10:07] mac_v, it's not menu icons, it's button icons ;_) [10:08] MDC2: i know , but just tag "menu-icons" so that they are all together [10:09] ok, but no time today, and now breakfast. but it seems like a huge job....... [10:09] MDC2: thats because the design team is already aware of that tag , and can later name if they want [10:09] ok sure... bye [14:58] djsiegel1: i didnt realize that :) i thought Humanity was already decided as the default [14:58] mac_v nope [14:59] DanRabbit1: see the sound-and-video icon (used in main menu) -- can you add some color? [14:59] it's two dark overlapping objects [14:59] it's so black [14:59] djsiegel1: a simple one > Bug #409338 do you wanna fix this? [14:59] Launchpad bug 409338 in hundredpapercuts "Change the name of "Hardware drivers"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409338 [15:02] mac_v confirm it [15:02] it's not a great one, but it is an easy fix [15:02] users don't encounter it frequently [15:02] and it auto-opens on install [15:03] djsiegel1: yeah not a great one > but the menu is always visible thats the only problem , ideally displaying the menu item *only* when drivers are used would be better [15:04] mac_v: it's not a good idea to add/remove items from a menu conditionally, without explicit user action [15:04] documentation would have to say "open System > Hardware Drivers. If you can't find it, you don't have drivers" [15:05] ah... [15:06] djsiegel1: are we short of papercuts? do you want new ones? [15:06] yes, we always want new ones [15:06] I think we have 97 or 98 [15:06] and 6 paperkuts [15:07] djsiegel1: i think you can ask seele to find 4 kuts first we can fill the rest later === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [18:54] djsiegel: round 5 had 11 bugs targeted, should one of them move to round 9 which has 9? [18:54] (also I just moved one to fix committed, hooray!) [18:54] mrooney1: wait 1 sec === mrooney1 is now known as mrooney [19:27] mrooney: usually there will be 10 papercuts + 1 paperkut [20:01] ah, I see [20:56] hm, I don't seem to see where bug 388949 is actually committed, do you know mac_v? [20:56] Launchpad bug 388949 in hundredpapercuts "'Clean Up by Name' -> 'Arrange by Name'" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388949 [20:58] mrooney: the patch is done, but needs to be discussed upstream mailing lists , because of concerns about breaking translations [20:58] we can fix it in ubuntu side alone , if we want [20:58] ah okay, but there is no fix committed, right? [20:59] maybe it should be set to Triaged? [20:59] mrooney: nope , no lp branches , triaged would be correct and unassign it [21:00] okay cool, I shall adjust it, thanks :) [21:50] hey djsiegel1 [21:50] hey mccann_ [21:51] djsiegel1: was just curious how your backgrounds contest is coming? [21:51] mccann_: really really well [21:51] we've had 1,600 submissions [21:51] nice! [21:51] do you know how many submissions we got last time we did the wallpaper contest? [21:51] 8! [21:51] wow [21:51] seriously [21:52] yeah our gnome contest last year didn't get too many [21:52] that's the difference between using the Ubuntu wiki to collect submissions, and flickr [21:52] agree [21:52] smart move [21:52] It's the new eyes we have on the design team [21:52] is there any way to verify the authenticity of the license on each? [21:52] we were all like "umm, we are not using this wiki" [21:53] mccann_: well, I am supposed to write a script this week [21:53] to download them all and categorize by license [21:53] then we are going to figure out how to pick [21:53] many times on flickr people incorrectly tag with CC [21:53] hopefully there are 8 or 10 really good ones in there [21:53] well, maybe we'll whittle it down to 100 [21:53] as i noticed when I was collecting images for the background survey I did [21:53] or 50 [21:53] then start doing some more investigation [21:54] we will contact artists directly before using their work [21:54] good idea [21:54] just to verify, and to get a larger copy of the image [21:54] yeah [21:54] are you going for different themes? [21:54] I am not sure, I don't think I will be involved with picking the finalists [21:54] btw http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/art/State%20of%20the%20Art%20-%20Wallpapers%20-%202009-08-07.pdf [21:55] how are you judging? [21:55] mccann_: I don;t know yet [21:56] mccann_: this is cool [21:56] djsiegel1: you should check out the win7 ones in there [21:56] I know, I have seen them [21:56] that's what kicked this off [21:56] it would be great to have different categories like that [21:56] I saw these and frantically emailed some folks saying "we can't let windows ship more interesting wallpapers" [21:56] yeah i did the same [21:56] those XP ones are still pretty great [21:56] except i didn't have the time to follow up :) [21:57] I'm excited that you did ! [21:57] so what do you think about putting some of these in gnome-backgrounds? [21:58] well, I guess that's the call of the original artists [21:58] I am sure they won't object [21:58] although I also think we'd like to have some ubuntu-only ones [21:58] but you are licensing CC-BY-SA right? [21:58] but there's no way we could or would push something like that [21:58] I don;t know much about CC licensing to be honest [21:58] what is your license requirement ? [21:59] do you have contest rules? [22:00] mccann_: yeah, check my blog [22:00] it links to the wiki describing the contest [22:00] I think we should do pre-defined categories for the next release [22:01] say "we're looking for 5 photos of flowers, 5 of animals, and 5 abstract illustrations" [22:03] mccann_: have you seen the snow leopard ones yet? [22:03] some of them [22:04] ok so the guidelines page doesn't have licensing requirements apparently [22:05] but your blog post says CC-BY-SA is required [22:17] djsiegel1: anyway looks like it will be very successful. I didn't see the deadline listed. When will the selections be made? [22:18] mccann_: I am going to write the script to download submissions pretty soon [22:18] will probably run it this weekend [22:19] so if you want to get something in, I recommend doing it ASAP [22:19] ok [22:47] djsiegel1: why have the pdf output of stuff go to Desktop? Documents seems more sensible... portable document format... [22:47] maco: I am just worried about discoverability [22:47] ~/Documents works too [22:47] well... [22:47] actually [22:48] think about what you are doing after you print to pdf [22:48] why do users print to pdf? what comes next? [22:48] that was my original justification for Documents < Desktop [22:48] the argument is, the PDF is transitory [22:48] it's going to be sent or printed, then usually discarded [22:48] the source document is kept, probably in ~/Documents [22:49] so the Desktop is used as a scratch space, thinking that the user is about to go do something with the shiny PDF they just made [22:50] this is a stretch, but think about when you physically print a document [22:50] it ends up in your working area, your "desktop" [22:50] hmm ok. i usually consider the pdf the "Final" version [22:50] you may email it, or send it [22:50] maco: so, you print PDFs then file them away? [22:50] so later, when you refer to the document, or print or send it, you use the PDF? [22:51] yes [22:51] I do that with old documents I am not working on any more [22:51] "final" versions [22:51] maybe it comes from being a latex-user, but i do all my printing from evince or okular [22:51] sounds like a special case, but nonetheless a valid one :) [22:52] maco: maybe we can test PDF usage next, after we finish the archive behavior research? [22:52] i just figure anyone that's noticed how .doc and .odf can inexplicably change when moved from system to system uses pdf [22:52] archive behaviour? [22:52] OH zips tars? [22:52] haha [22:52] exactly [22:52] i was thinking achive.ubuntu.com [22:52] we had ZERO people participate in the distributed user test [22:53] the phrase "the archive" means the same as "the repos" to me, so that was a -ENOPARSE [22:53] distributed user test? [22:53] maco: http://davidsiegel.org/distributed-user-testing-archives/ [22:59] i kinda think a more common sense name for archive would be bundle [23:00] the concept of bundling things up is fairly straight forward [23:00] hard to transfer 10 files at once / hard to carry 10 things at once ... so you put them in a bundle and carry /transfer the bundle [23:00] archives are like...basements...things go there and never come back