[02:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: any opinion on the question I asked you earlier?
[02:24] <ryanakca> (I might have lost the answer between work and home)
[03:05] <ScottK> Someone can tell Lure it's in pkg-kde svn perhaps.
[03:14] <seele> ScottK: aren't you supposed to be on vacation?
[03:14] <ScottK> Also libgcal needs sync first.  I've requested it.
[03:14] <ScottK> seele: I'm back this week.  On vacation again next week.
[03:14] <seele> ooooh
[03:14] <seele> in that case come to the pirate bar thursday night for a beer
[03:15] <seele> it's mah birftday!
[03:15] <ScottK> What time?
[03:15] <seele> 9ish?
[03:15] <ScottK> I'm tied up from about 7 to 10 with another engagement.
[03:16] <ScottK> I might be able to stop in around 10:30.
[03:16] <nixternal> oi oi
[03:16] <seele> yeah sure, we'll most likely still be around then :)
[03:16] <seele> you can call me if you want to make sure before heading down to silver spring
[03:17] <nixternal> you alcoholics!
[03:17] <seele> nixternal: hey now.. it's a *pirate* bar
[03:17] <nixternal> arrrrrrr
[03:17] <seele> you can't pass something like that up
[03:17] <nixternal> gh
[03:17] <seele> i'm trying to get some people to go after aikido too
[03:17] <nixternal> waiting for feeling to come back into my body after tonights ride
[03:17] <seele> want to fill the pirate bar up with ninjas
[03:17] <nixternal> haha, that would f'n rock
[03:17] <nixternal> PICS!!!!
[03:17] <ScottK> It's a scary enough pirate bar that my 6 year old won't go back.
[03:18] <seele> lol
[03:18] <nixternal> damn, I think I should open a pirate and ninja bar here in chicago
[03:18] <seele> nixternal: they would be under cover though, no dogi or tabi socks
[03:18] <seele> ScottK: really? aww
[03:18] <ScottK> seele: Yep.  Suprised me.  Normally she's pretty fearless.
[03:19] <seele> good thing md loco always does fudruckers then, family friendly
[03:19] <seele> although, the pirate bar does have a kiddie corner with books and toys and stuff
[03:23] <ScottK> Maybe we sat to far from it and it didn't make enough of an impression.
[03:27] <maco> the skull with bug-out eyes scared her
[03:27] <maco> remember, in the corner, next to the bar?
[03:28] <maco> seele: happy birthda
[03:28] <maco> y
[03:28] <seele> maco: not until thursday
[03:28] <seele> if youre bored, come to the pirate bar! although we're not going till later which might be a bit far for you in the middle of the week
[03:28] <maco> seele: i just wont go into the office on thursday ;)
[03:29] <maco> that makes it like 4 metro stops from home
[03:29] <seele> hehe.. sweet
[03:29] <maco> seele: is the boy invited?
[03:30] <seele> maco: sure.. this isn't a linux chix thing. it's a come and dirnk bir thing
[03:30] <maco> seele: i know, i just didnt know if he was invited or not
[03:30] <maco> he's come to linuxchix once before i think....maybe...
[03:30] <maco> ive definitely dragged boyfriends to linuxchix before, thats all i know
[03:31] <seele> a few.. dunno if i've met the last one ;P
[03:31] <maco> you know the current one silly
[03:31] <ScottK> Thus the ;P
[03:31] <maco> oh
[03:32] <ScottK> Speaking of drinking, to do go drink some Scotch while I clean the kitchen.
[03:32] <maco> hey and you can use it as a disinfectant!
[03:33] <ScottK> Only for internal use.
[03:33]  * seele wonders how clean the kitchen will be by the end fo the night
[03:33] <seele> lol
[03:33] <maco> i need to get the scotch out of my favourite skirt. someone knocked their glass off the table last time i wore it
[03:33] <seele> i think that kind of scotch will kill scott
[03:34] <maco> why?
[03:37] <seele> are you talking about using spirits on your clothing and not the stain repellant?
[03:37] <maco> im saying someone spilled a glass of spirits on my skirt and i need to wash it out
[03:37] <seele> ooooh
[03:37] <seele> wow totally misread that
[07:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like kleopatra needs to be demoted again.
[07:49]  * ScottK finally decides to collapse for the night.
[08:46] <micmord> starting from karmic-alternate-alpha3, what packages need I to transform into a netbook relaese? kubuntu-netbook  kubuntu-netbook-default-settings plasma-netbook, what else?
[08:52] <davmor2> micmord: is kubuntu-netbook not there that would be a meta package that installs everything you need
[08:59] <micmord> davmor2: thanks
[09:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: may as well add the GUI stuff direct to the FAQ
[09:59] <Riddell> dpm: can I get launchpad translations to stop spamming me when it imports something?
[10:10] <dpm> Riddell: what do you mean by "when it imports something"? Do you mean when you upload a package and its template and translations are imported? I don't know the answer to that one, though, I think the best thing is to ask danilo, henninge or jtv in #launchpad
[10:29] <dpm> Riddell: I'm checking whether bug 376686 has been fixed after the Jaunty language pack update in -proposed, but it seems it hasn't. Could you give me some pointers on debugging this? All desktop_* files in the language pack are ok now (they no longer contain Bulgarian translations), but still all items shown when opening kickoff are displayed in Bulgarian. Where (i.e. from which desktop_* file) do these translations (e.g. all categories under the "App
[10:29] <dpm> lications" tab in kickoff) come from?
[10:39] <Riddell> 555555555
[10:42] <Riddell> dpm: they're in /usr/share/desktop-directories/
[10:43] <Riddell> which should be desktop_kdebase-runtime
[10:49] <Riddell> shtylman: there's a meeting later today if you want to go for membership
[10:51] <dpm> Riddell: are those translations loaded at runtime, or are they in some of those files in /usr/share/desktop-directories/? After doing an 'msgunfmt /usr/share/locale-langpack/eu/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kdebase-runtime.mo' the translations in the binary file seem ok, I don't really know where the Bulgarian translations come from now.
[10:51] <Riddell> dpm: they'll be loaded at runtime from the .mo file
[10:58] <Riddell> dddddd
[10:59] <Riddell> dpm: works for me
[11:00] <Riddell> maybe you have something cached in .local or .config
[11:00] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/menu.png
[11:01] <dpm> Riddell: is your screenshot from Jaunty or Karmic? I'm talking about Jaunty, here's what it looks like for me on Jaunty -> http://imagebin.ca/view/46RyTUg.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/VuDz-XY.html
[11:01] <Riddell> karmic
[11:05] <dpm> Right, the problem was already solved in Karmic, I'm testing the language pack updates for Jaunty, where it is still present.
[11:07] <dpm> I'm a bit confused, since the .mo file does not seem to contain the Bulgarian translations, but they are still shown. I can't see anything obvious under .config or .local, either
[11:49] <micmord> davmor2: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/251282/ Can I proceed?
[12:01] <Lure> interesting: from work, Konversation cannot connect, while Quassel can... :-(
[12:18] <shtylman> Riddell: I think I might hold off on going for membership at this time. I feel that I should do more work or contributions and don't really know what that I would have to do as a member. When is the meeting though?
[12:46] <allee-k> shtylman: this evening 18.00 UTC
[13:04] <davmor2> shtylman: you just keep doing what you are doing.  Membership just acknowledges the fact that you're doing something
[13:04] <davmor2> micmord: pass I install from scratch others on the channel would be better to ask
[14:05] <ScottK> shtylman: You are doing enough.  Let the Kubuntu Council be the judge of your application.  You should go ahead.
[14:16] <ryanakca> shtylman: Go for it :)
[14:45] <ryanakca> Should bug 411600 be set as "High"? It's easy to work around using the CLI, but we're selling Kubuntu, that's to say KDE4, not a KDE4 + CLI hybrid...
[14:45] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[14:45] <ryanakca> Hi _Groo_
[14:45] <_Groo_> hi ryanakca
[14:46] <ghostcube> is it possible for anyone in here to package up lm-sensors 3.1.1 with the patch.dsc from launchpad :)
[14:47] <ryanakca> ghostcube: bug number?
[14:47] <ghostcube> uh moment
[14:49] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'd make it high.
[14:50] <ghostcube> ryanakca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/389031
[14:50] <ghostcube> for the 3.1.02 there is an dsc
[14:50] <ghostcube> 3.1.0-2
[14:53] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thanks, done, bug 411600
[14:53]  * ryanakca prods ubottu :)
[15:18] <seele> in launchpad, does anyone know how to unsubscribe yourself from emails if an entire team is subscribed?
[15:21] <ScottK> seele: You can't.
[15:21] <seele> ARGH
[15:21] <ScottK> Leave the team or filter them locally.
[15:21] <seele> i got like 100 bug emails last night from being a papercutter
[15:23] <maco> neversfelde: omg i wish bilbo had spellcheck
[15:24] <maco> seele: maybe if you have full-info bug mail turned on you can filter for papercuts that are tagged kde and throw the rest out?
[15:25] <seele> how..
[15:25]  * seele feels her head explode
[15:26] <maco> well lemme double check that tags show up in those emails ;)
[15:27] <maco> oh boo i dont think they do
[15:32] <seele> maco: i dont see anything useful in the headers i can use except to filter it as a bug
[15:32] <seele> but the problem is, there are bugs that i *am* subscribed to that i want to see and dont see how i can filter them differently
[15:38] <maco> oh the bottom will be different
[15:38] <maco> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
[15:38] <maco> of the bug.
[15:38] <maco> versus
[15:39] <maco> ou received this bug notification because you are a member of
[15:39] <maco> ubuntuforums.org Staff, which is subscribed to Ubuntu Forums.
[15:39] <maco> ou received this bug notification because you are a member of
[15:39] <maco> ubuntuforums.org Staff, which is subscribed to Ubuntu Forums.
[15:40] <maco> er...pasted twice, sorry
[15:41] <neversfelde> maco: it has spellcheck, you have to activate it with the ABC button afaik
[15:41] <maco> but "you are a direct subscriber" "you are a member of" and "you are subscribed to" (if subscribed to a package) and ""yyou are a bug assignee" are optional reasons it gives at the end of emails
[15:41] <maco> what abc button?
[15:42] <maco> OH right click in text field, then spell check
[15:42] <maco> just like you can only replace by right clicking in the text field
[15:44] <neversfelde> maco: mhh in the WYSIWIG Editor, there is a button leftmost, which enables the automatic spellcheck
[15:44] <neversfelde> it is probably misplaced there
[15:47] <maco> oh
[15:47] <maco> oh! ok. i was looking in the top toolbar
[15:48] <maco> and in the menus
[15:51] <neversfelde> should be in the menu, I will ask upstream about it
[15:57] <_Groo_> ppl, could anyone confirm this bug... please drag and drop any url from any kde app (akregator, konqueror, etc), into any other kde app.. should crash the source imediatly... could ayone confirm this?
[15:57] <_Groo_> thats with kde 4.3.0 btw
[15:57] <_Groo_> was there since the rcs... i thought they fixed it for final.. but aparently i was mistaken
[16:00] <rgreening> _Groo_ I see drag/drop crash in arora
[16:02] <rgreening> anyone having issues with knetworkmanager for KDE 4.3 and wireless? Mine does not connect anymore, though it detects all the wireless networks
[16:06] <slacker_nl> don't use it
[16:12] <ScottK> rgreening: Arora is a webkit issue that should have been fixed in yesterday's qt4-x11 upload.
[16:15] <davmor2> ScottK: I'm looking at what seems to be a slightly weird kne
[16:15] <rgreening> ScottK: k. Will test. Need to reboot for that...
[16:16] <davmor2> rgreening: I got wireless here
[16:17] <davmor2> ScottK: how do I install where is the K button nothing seems to have any close or apply buttons etc etc etc
[16:17] <rgreening> davmor2: using knetworkmanager (kde4 version) and it auto connects? You using WEP, WPA or unencrypted?
[16:18] <davmor2> rgreening: I can't actually tell you at the minute it's a bit broke but as soon as I can I will tell you.  Connection is wpa
[16:19] <rgreening> davmor2: hmm... maybe I should remove all the rc files and try from scratch.
[16:20] <davmor2> rgreening: this is live kne
[16:20] <davmor2> I can try a kubuntu cd for you if you'd like?
[16:21] <ScottK> davmor2: Welcome to plasma-netbook.  It's a bit unpolished at the moment.
[16:21] <davmor2> ScottK: like nothing works?
[16:21] <ScottK> davmor2: Click on the search thing in the upper left corner and you can type application names to launch stuff
[16:21] <ScottK> Basically working here.
[16:22] <ScottK> Typing on it right now.
[16:22] <davmor2> ScottK: would that be the binoculars upper right?
[16:22] <ScottK> Yes
[16:23] <davmor2> ScottK: I went to configure the weather app only once I'd got to the point of adding the town I live in I could exit and everything bar the type in the name of your town box was greyed out
[16:24] <ScottK> A lot of that stuff still needs a lot of work.  This is literally alpha software
[16:27] <davmor2> ScottK: ah okay
[16:33] <davmor2> ScottK: Why does the top bar keep disappearing?  It means that the title bar of an app you open is stuck under the title bar and you can't access the apps options :(  Is this just another alpha thing?  And will this be on the tracker tomorrow?
[16:48] <ryanakca> Riddell: Do they provide the source in a sane format?
[16:48] <ryanakca> (Dooble that is)
[16:49] <maco> there are options in the title bar?
[16:51] <ScottK> davmor2: It autohides to save vertical space.  The apps are all full screen by default.  You should get an option to X out of the app if the top panel is visible (this doesn't always work yet)
[16:57] <davmor2> rgreening: correction it looks like it connects but actually doesn't Meh
[17:31] <ScottK> Bluetooth file sharing works on with my phone with blueman, but not kdebluetooth.
[17:31] <ScottK> Grumble.
[17:32] <ScottK> rgreening: How about a PyKDE front end for blueman?
[18:09] <apachelogger> '*.gpg *.gpgkey| PGP keys'
[18:10] <apachelogger> who made up that crap?
[18:10] <ryanakca> apachelogger: for the KPackageKit bug? *shrug*
[18:10] <apachelogger> yes
[18:11] <apachelogger> application/pgp-keys: *.asc *.pkr *.skr
[18:18] <apachelogger> hmmm
[18:19] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I can't reproduce bug 411600
[18:19] <apachelogger> also source wise it doesn't make sense since there needs to be any value for the filename var which should not be the case if cancel is pressed
[18:19] <apachelogger> weird english today
[18:20] <ryanakca> there needs to be any value for the filename var... ?
[18:20] <ryanakca> as it, it must be set?
[18:20] <apachelogger>     if filename:
[18:20] <apachelogger>       if not self.add_key(filename):
[18:20] <apachelogger> filename will be nil after cancel I suppose
[18:20] <apachelogger> or whatever python calls nil
[18:20] <ryanakca> None iirc.
[18:21] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I'll mess around with it, I'm looking at the sources
[18:21] <apachelogger> well, that is trunk what I am using
[18:21] <apachelogger> ah
[18:21] <apachelogger> ryanakca: does happen with jaunty version
[18:22] <ryanakca> Does it happen in jaunty? Yes
[18:22] <apachelogger>     if filename is not None:
[18:22] <apachelogger> jaunty code
[18:22] <apachelogger> so I suppose filename is not nil but just empty :)
[18:23] <apachelogger> so trunk code's if filename: will be false if filename is either None (nil) or empty ("")
[18:23] <ryanakca> apachelogger: should I be looking for a fix in Karmic or Jaunty?
[18:23] <apachelogger> ryanakca: karmic
[18:23] <apachelogger> well
[18:23] <apachelogger> karmic should be fixed
[18:23] <apachelogger> jaunty needs SRU
[18:23] <apachelogger> _but_
[18:24] <apachelogger> if SRU then SRU the enahnced pgp key endings as well ;-)
[18:24] <ryanakca> OK
[18:26] <apachelogger> oh jeez, that app needs love :P
[18:27] <apachelogger> the gtk version is way better
[18:28]  * ScottK doesn't think the Jaunty version does gpg keys at all.
[18:30] <ryanakca> apachelogger: lots of FIXMEs in the kde section...
[18:31] <apachelogger> ryanakca: can you reproduce bug 116445
[18:31] <ryanakca> ScottK: I'm experiencing the bug and have "ii  software-properties-kde                    0.71.5                                   manage the repositories that you install sof" ... which matches the version in jaunty according to packages.ubuntu.com
[18:31] <ScottK> ryanakca: OK.  I thought we were talking about packagekit-kde
[18:33] <ryanakca> apachelogger: It fails silently. I tried adding "dbe htp:/aoe/  ". No error messages
[18:34] <apachelogger> here too
[18:34] <apachelogger> so technically the bug is fixed, just not very smoothly :D
[18:35] <ScottK> SInce we picked the meeting time, would someone who knows when it is please fix /topic
[18:35] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Hehe ;)
[18:36] <ScottK> Be careful what you ask for (in bug reports) you might get it.
[18:36] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic learn
[18:36] <kubotu> fine
[18:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: It would have been nice to keep the rest of it.
[18:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is what topic learn was for
[18:37] <apachelogger> later on a topic restore will be enough to get the topic back
[18:37] <ScottK> I see
[18:37]  * ryanakca likes /cs topicappend
[18:38] <ryanakca> Along with topicprepend ;)
[18:39] <apachelogger> ...if you like long topics
[18:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/project-neon/neon/annotate/head:/distros/ubuntu/amarok-debian/rules
[18:39] <apachelogger> already manually defines the mysql stuff
[18:40] <Nightrose> meh
[18:41]  * ryanakca wonders why whoever wrote it only used two spaces instead of 4.
[18:42] <ScottK> Not everyone read PEP-8
[18:42] <ScottK> I think it's 8
[18:43] <apachelogger> ryanakca: cause he really wanted to use ruby? :P
[18:43] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nod*
[18:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: 8 sounds like a lot
[18:43] <apachelogger> like, really a lot
[18:44] <ryanakca> apachelogger: no, http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
[18:44]  * ryanakca wonders if bzr has an equivalent to 'git add -p'
[18:45] <apachelogger> eh?
[18:45] <apachelogger> really old code that you don't want to mess up?
[18:45] <apachelogger> ok, seriously now
[18:45] <apachelogger> how about VCS?
[18:45] <ryanakca> what about VCS?
[18:45] <apachelogger> don't mess up?
[18:45] <ryanakca> Oh... *shrug*
[18:46] <apachelogger> and if it's old code that happens to be old, why leave it around anyway?
[18:46]  * apachelogger finds that confusing
[18:46] <apachelogger> ryanakca: the gtk version doesn't appear to show an error either
[18:46] <apachelogger> BUT
[18:46] <maco> argh my wireless driver is using 98% cpu and Xorg is using 58% and kontact is using 24%
[18:47] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I've got the error dialog box set up...
[18:47] <apachelogger> check_line is implemented in both KDE and GTK
[18:47] <apachelogger> and I really do not get why it is not shared
[18:47] <apachelogger> _not at all_
[18:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca: implement that ppa stuff while you are at it
[18:48] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ppa stuff?
[18:49] <apachelogger> see gtk's dialogadd.py
[18:49] <apachelogger>     if line.startswith("ppa:"):
[18:49] <apachelogger>       self.button_add.set_sensitive(True)
[18:49] <apachelogger>       return
[18:49] <apachelogger> so there must be some magic going on
[18:51] <Riddell> evening
[18:51] <ryanakca> Hi Riddell
[18:51] <ScottK> Hey Riddell.
[18:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: dooble, I've no idea, havn't looked
[18:51]  * seele fluffles Riddell
[18:51]  * rgreening waves
[18:51] <apachelogger> ryanakca: pushed the enhanced file endings to the parent branch
[18:51]  * Riddell giggles
[18:51] <Riddell> meeting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: as far as I could find on their website, they only offer binaries, and then if you dig around you can find their SVN.
[18:52]  * ScottK thinks he doesn't want to know what fluffle means.
[18:52] <seele> you people and your dirty minds
[18:52] <seele> ScottK: maco had the same question the other day
[18:52] <rgreening> I have 2 back to back land line conf calls... so I may be delayed on responding.. I'll try and keep up
[18:53] <maco> seele: what was my question?
[18:53] <seele> maco: what is a fluffle
[18:53] <seele> i dont think there was an answer
[18:54] <maco> oh ok
[18:56] <Riddell> ryanakca: the guy that e-mailed me was Max <petersonmaxx@googlemail.com>
[18:56] <Riddell> ryanakca: want to ask him where to find a release?
[18:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[18:57] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we should make it easier to grab the key
[18:57] <apachelogger> that is quite the PITA
[18:59] <ryanakca> apachelogger: look at sotwareproperties/ppa.py AddPPASigningKey ... I think it fetches it for us
[19:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think I'd have better luck prodding one of upstream to see if they have / can make a tarball for us...
[19:00] <apachelogger> ryanakca: so we'd implement that ppa: crap and get that in addition, sounds like a fair deal :D
[19:01] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:24] <ryanakca> Would it be possible to get jigdo links up for the KNE iso?
[19:43] <Riddell> shtylman: poke
[19:43] <Riddell> #ubuntu-meeting?
[19:55] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Ha! software-properties-kde == evil... Remember how adding an invalid sources.list line was failing silently earlier? Well, it added the line to /etc/apt/sources.list... which is *bad*
[19:57] <apachelogger> lol
[20:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I filed an FFe for plasma-netbook to get official documentation of the plan to update it after FF.
[20:04] <apachelogger> ryanakca: must be the python :P
[20:04] <Riddell> great
[20:05] <ryanakca> apachelogger, Riddell: Should there be variables pointing to things in Riddell's homedir in software-properties-kde?
[20:06] <Riddell> of course, it's the most important homedir there is
[20:06]  * apachelogger agrees
[20:11] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger, Riddell
[20:12] <_Groo_> can you guys do a quick test? please drag a url from akregator or other kde app, to another app, like firefox or arora/rekonq
[20:12] <_Groo_> it should crash the origin app... aparently drag and drop is broken in kde 4.3
[20:13] <apachelogger> we are in a meeting
[20:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: wasnt that suposed to be happening in ubuntu-meeting? -.O
[20:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: anyway, please test when someone has the time, to check if its just me or drag is indeed broken
[20:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i apologize for the disruption, please carry on :D
[20:31] <micmord> Where is logout button on plasma-netbook?
[20:37] <ScottK> micmord: Missing in action.
[20:37] <ScottK> Please file a bug.
[20:38] <micmord> so i must unplugg the power cord? :-)
[20:38] <Riddell> micmord: pressing the physical button should bring up the dialogue
[20:38] <Riddell> also control-alt-del
[20:48] <ScottK> So what is the key with the battery icon on it supposed to do?
[20:48] <maco> _Groo_: someone mentioned that earlier, so its not just you
[20:52] <_Groo_> maco: it was i who mentioned it early :P
[20:52] <_Groo_> maco: i got d/c this morning
[20:52] <maco> _Groo_: really? well someone said they could reproduce with arora
[20:52] <maco> oh
[20:53] <_Groo_> maco: actually its with any kde app.. general drag and drop is severely broken
[20:53] <_Groo_> are you runing kde 4.3?
[20:53] <maco> aye
[20:54] <nhn> Hi!
[20:54] <nhn> there seems to be a bug in one of the kde devel packages
[20:54] <micmord> ScottK: I think that in plasma-netbook is usefull also a power managment icon on the tray, to monitor the battery power. Do you?
[20:55] <ScottK> micmord: yes.
[20:55] <ScottK> rgreening was discussing looking into that earlier.
[20:55] <nhn> we have had several repports of "#include <KWidgetItemDelegate>" breaking build but "#include <kwidgetitemdelegate.h>" working fine
[20:55] <nhn> but only on KDE 4.2.x on *ubuntu jaunty, works fine in 4.3 jaunty and on karmic
[20:58] <apachelogger> interesting
[21:01] <apachelogger> nhn: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdelibs/includes/
[21:01] <apachelogger> doesn't exist in 4.2
[21:02] <ScottK> Riddell: You can mark down the ajax bits to unprivate a bug as working in Konqueror, but not Arora is you're keeping score.
[21:02] <apachelogger> is there in 4.3
[21:02] <nhn> uhm... according to API.kde org, it has been there since 4.1
[21:02] <apachelogger> source says otherwise
[21:02] <nhn> and the kwidgetitemdelegate.h fileexists
[21:02] <nhn> file exists
[21:03] <nhn> so its simply the "modern" include style "KWidgetItemDelegate" that is missing
[21:03] <apachelogger> yep
[21:03] <nhn> works on all other distros apparently
[21:04] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.3/kdelibs/includes/KWidgetItemDelegate?view=log
[21:05] <nhn> hm... odd
[21:05] <nhn> should that not have been backported then?
[21:06] <apachelogger> at the time it was added to 4.3 there would have been no further 4.2 release, so I suppose trueg didn't consider it being worth the commit
[21:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: What was the command to put /topic back?
[21:06] <apachelogger> nhn: we could add it, but the include would still not work with self-compiled KDE 4.2
[21:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic restore
[21:06] <ScottK> Ah.  That one.
[21:07] <nhn> apachelogger: well, I am going to commit a workaround to amarok now, so not a big deal. I was just wondering why we were getting this issue
[21:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am not sure you could issue it anyway, since you'd probably need permissions
[21:07] <apachelogger> nhn: because other distros like to patch around :P
[21:08] <nhn> heh
[21:08]  * apachelogger goes to bed
[21:08] <apachelogger> nini
[21:13] <jefferai> Riddell: ping
[21:13] <jefferai> nhn: oh wait, you got here first
[21:13] <jefferai> :-)
[21:13] <nhn> jefferai: heh
[21:14] <nhn> jefferai: I'm just _that_ fast!
[21:46] <asac_> 22:45 < asac_> how do i tell cmake to output the compile command used?
[21:46] <asac_> 22:45 < asac_> i only see short output ... "building xxxx.o"
[21:46] <asac_> 22:45 < asac_> i want the gcc command run ;)
[21:46] <asac_> 22:45 < asac_> thx
[21:46] <asac_> 22:45 < asac_> oops
[21:46] <asac_> 22:45 < asac_> wrong channel ;)
[21:46] <asac_> previously posted on #kubuntu ;)
[21:57] <maco> hehe
[22:00] <asac_> nobody knows how i can see the actualy g++ lines run :(
[22:01] <maco> i left my cmake book at work, sorry :(
[22:02] <maco> asac_: if i want the contents of my ~/.mozilla/firefox.3.5-replaced to be my default stuff, where should it go?
[22:03] <ScottK> asac_: Riddell and apachelogger are your best bets.  Riddell is canoeing and apachelogger is sleeping.
[22:03] <asac_> maco: it means you selected "keep using current stuff"
[22:04] <asac_> maco: not sure why oyu have firefox-3.5 still though
[22:04] <asac_> maco: backup firefox ... and move the replaced there ... but be sure to have no firefox processing running ;)
[22:04] <asac_> maco: /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3pre/ffox-31-beta-profile-migration-dialog
[22:04] <asac_> run that (it does nothing) to re-read what you choosed
[22:05] <asac_> maco: hmm. the text is wrong ;)
[22:05] <asac_> still for the firefox 2 to 3 transition
[22:05] <maco> *shrug* coudlve had something to do with apps trying to launch firefox for url handling after upgrade and before i restarted.
[22:06] <asac_> maco: yeah so basically if you use the button on the right you will keep using the firefox 3 one ... on the left will give you the 3.5 profile
[22:06] <maco> and middle?
[22:09] <maco> ok, i moved the replaced to firefox
[22:09] <maco> asac_: now i click import instead of keep?
[22:11] <maco> apparently not
[22:29] <Riddell> asac_: -DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON
[22:29] <Riddell> to cmake
[22:30] <Riddell> or make VERBOSE=on  should also work I think
[22:31] <asac_> Riddell: great
[22:31] <asac_> yep does the trick
[22:31] <asac_> nice ;)
[22:31] <asac_> not so nice though that he is using 'd' as variable names
[22:32] <asac_> not really professional ;) ... i cannot even find its definition
[22:43] <Monika|K> yeah, that should be something like li_d for local integer d ;)
[22:52] <asac_> Riddell: kdebase build complains that kde version is too low :/
[22:52] <asac_> do you know which revision we have for kdebase?
[22:53] <asac_> or a different branch i should switch to?
[22:53] <asac_>   ERROR: the installed kdelibs version 4.3.00 is too old, at least version
[22:53] <asac_> 4.3.6
[22:53] <asac_> 0
[22:56] <yuriy_work> just upgraded to 4.3 from PPA
[22:56] <yuriy_work> devel packages are broken
[22:56] <yuriy_work> and it seems to have lost my panel and taskbar settings
[22:57] <yuriy_work> and I think "only show tasks from current desktop" should be default
[22:57] <yuriy_work> the knetworkmanager icon for wired looks like it's disconnected
[22:59] <Riddell> asac_ needs trunk is seems like
[23:00] <asac_> Riddell: yes. but what kdebase revision do we have so i can actually look into what we have?
[23:00] <ScottK> asac_: We have 4.3.0 in karmic
[23:00] <asac_> i dont feel like building kdelibs as well :/
[23:00] <asac_> ScottK: what svn revision is that? (i have the svn checkout here)
[23:00] <Riddell> asac_: we have 4.3.0
[23:00] <ScottK> Not sure.
[23:01] <Riddell> you can get 4.3.0 from branch
[23:01] <asac_> whats the tag url
[23:01] <asac_> ok wait
[23:01] <Riddell> svn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.3/kdebase
[23:01] <asac_> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase
[23:01] <asac_> ah
[23:01] <asac_> good
[23:03] <asac_> (of course the path i need to debug goes through kdebase ... why cant things just be simple)
[23:04] <asac_> i think i should probably switch to a known working knetworkmanager revision too?
[23:04] <asac_> who knows if this thing actually works ;)
[23:08] <asac_> ok finally building workspace/solid subtree ... lets hope this produces something i can convince the applet to use
[23:09] <ghostcube> qdbus org.kde.plasma-desktop /kickoff
[23:09] <ghostcube> is this opening for anyone in here ?
[23:10] <Riddell> ghostcube: that successfully shows me the methods available there
[23:11] <Riddell> asac_: svn864988 was working for me with NM 0.7
[23:11] <ghostcube> hmmmm
[23:11] <ghostcube> thx
[23:12] <asac_> Riddell: with NM 0.7 or latest karmic 0.7? (which was 0.7.1+many commits)
[23:12] <asac_> just to be sure
[23:13] <asac_> Riddell: so i am building just workspace/solid ... and run make install on it ... is there something like PKG_CONFIG_PATH so i can tell knetworkmanager build to use that (i dont install it in /usr)
[23:13] <asac_> sorry if that is an odd question ;)
[23:14] <asac_> or will it prefer libs if i use the same PREFIX for both builds?
[23:14] <asac_> i basically want it to also look in /home/asac/local_knetnm/lib/ and /home/asac/local_knetnm/lib/kde4/ for the stuff
[23:16] <asac_> seems it copies libs in the build/ tree from system - which feels like a good sign
[23:16] <asac_> now i just need to convince it to take the libs from PREFIX first instead of /usr
[23:20] <shtylman> Riddell: I probly missed the meeting (just got home from work)
[23:21] <shtylman> indeed...18:00 utc... I was at work :)
[23:21] <Riddell> asac_: NM 0.7.1-0ubuntu1
[23:23] <asac_> k
[23:23] <Riddell> asac_: 23:23 < dfaure> just set PATH so that the right kde4-config is found
[23:23] <asac_> Riddell: any idea how i can tell the build to use  kdebase from somewhere
[23:24] <asac_> Riddell: i dont have a different kde4-config. also i dont have the full kde in that /home/asac/local_... dfir
[23:24] <asac_> just solid... which i want to use
[23:24] <asac_> seems like the build always copies all the libs it needs in lib/ is that correct? or am i confused?
[23:26] <Riddell> asac_: which lib/ are you refering to?
[23:27] <asac_> Riddell: the one in build/
[23:27] <Riddell> right yes, that should be the case
[23:27] <asac_> build/lib/ ... it has libsolid* stuff in there ... even on kde
[23:27] <asac_> err even on knetworkmanager
[23:27] <asac_> Riddell: but those are only libs produced during build?
[23:27] <Riddell> mm, really?
[23:27] <asac_> i am confused because i see lib*solid in there
[23:28] <asac_> Riddell: i am asking you. for me it looked like those are also libs copied from somewhere on the system
[23:28] <Riddell> there's libsolidcontrolfuture.so
[23:28] <asac_> libsolidcontrolfuture.so
[23:28] <asac_> yeah
[23:28] <Riddell> that's built from network manager
[23:28] <asac_> that one is in base too
[23:28] <asac_> hmm
[23:28] <Riddell> see solidcontrolfuture/
[23:29] <asac_> ok let me check LD_LIBRARY_PATH and see if it picks up my other solid stuff
[23:30] <asac_> ok so seems that solid alone doesnt build any lib ;)
[23:30] <asac_> that is in libdir
[23:30] <asac_> i guess i need to build the full thing
[23:30]  * asac_ does that
[23:30] <asac_> well ... first trying all workspace
[23:34] <Riddell> asac_: I need to go to bed, you can ask dfaure and others in #kde-devel if you have questions
[23:35] <asac_> k
[23:35] <asac_> night