[00:00] <rav> phh: thanks, that fixed it
[00:00] <phh> great
[00:08] <Planetary> great now i have no package managers. can someone please help me get synaptic package manager installed
[00:12] <Planetary> got nevermind
[00:12] <Planetary> got it
[00:19] <Sevis> Planetary, you should still have apt-get
[00:42] <bishop> hey
[00:44] <bishop> first time on kubuntu
[00:46] <BluesKaj> !welcome | bishop
[00:46] <bishop> thanks
[00:47] <BluesKaj> tried any other linux OSs ?
[00:47] <bishop> really like kde never used it before
[00:47] <BluesKaj> ok
[00:48] <bishop> most distos
[00:49] <bishop> lot of time on ubuntu mint solaris etc
[00:49] <BluesKaj> yeah , I started with knoppix and most popular distros that were around back then
[00:49] <bishop> bluekaj  never tried debian
[00:49] <BluesKaj> glad to hear you like kde
[00:50] <BluesKaj> debian with gnome and ubuntu are he same IM
[00:50] <bishop> good interface. easier to use than gnome for me
[00:51] <bishop> much difference between those 2?
[00:52] <BluesKaj> (k)ubuntu are both debian based OSs
[00:52] <bishop> gottcha
[00:53] <BluesKaj> both use the apt package system
[00:53] <BluesKaj> and repository systems are very sismilar
[00:53] <bishop> really find apt pack system effective
[00:54] <BluesKaj> yes very , especially when compared to other distos like suse and the RPMs like fedora and redhat
[00:56] <bishop> i dumped vista much prefer linux
[00:57] <bishop> find it diverse and u have to learn how to use it. i like that.
[00:58] <bishop> just stopping by no concerns right now
[00:58] <BluesKaj> I still use vista and W7, due to wife and friends being not too adventurous with their pcs :)
[00:59] <bishop> i like dual boots but windows is heavy on system resources
[01:00] <BluesKaj> they kind of depend on me when things go wrong ...sometimes it's a pita but ...
[01:00] <bishop> yeah
[01:00] <BluesKaj> so your media is working ok etc ?
[01:01] <bishop> i really am impressed with kde
[01:02] <bishop> ok
[01:02] <BluesKaj> yeah kde is much improved now
[01:04] <bishop> big time... used it a while ago and went back to ubuntu. i much prefer kde...like the feel of it
[01:07] <bishop> blueskaj  gottago now bbak soon...thankx
[01:56] <idyle> Hello! Does anyone know any good bios password cracking tools other than cmospwd and removing the battery?
[01:57] <idyle> Been googling fyi :]
[02:05] <Mannequin> hi. sometimes firefox hangs and then it won't (re)start (after killing the process)
[02:05] <Mannequin> I mean, it won't restart clicking on the icon on KDE menu
[02:06] <Mannequin> it will launch fine if run from a terminal, for example
[02:08] <marco> uff, why kde 4.3 feeels soo sloww in kubuntu 9.04?
[02:09] <FullMetalJocker> hi all
[02:09] <marco> uff, why kde 4.3 feeels soo sloww in kubuntu 9.04?
[02:09] <marco> is fucking slowww
[02:10] <FullMetalJocker> really?
[02:10] <marco> yes mother cuker
[02:10] <marco> fucker
[02:10] <Pici> !language
[02:11] <FullMetalJocker> was just thinking about to update
[02:11] <marco> ok sorry mather facker
[02:11] <marco> LINUX SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
[02:11] <marco> KDE SCUKS!
[02:11] <FloodBotK2> marco: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:11] <marco> GNOME ROOLZ
[02:11] <marco> FREEBSD ROCKS!
[02:11] <Pici> marco: We're not forcing you to be here, you may part when you're ready.
[02:11] <marco> xD
[02:14] <FullMetalJocker> is it worth to update to 4.3....
[02:14] <FullMetalJocker> or  better to wait?
[02:14] <MTGap> yes
[02:14] <FullMetalJocker> wait?
[02:15] <MTGap> no upgrade now lol, you have no clue what your missing out on
[02:15] <MTGap> Have you read some of the reviews?
[02:15] <FullMetalJocker> i don't like the network manager
[02:15] <FullMetalJocker> wicd i use
[02:16] <FullMetalJocker> i read about slowliness...
[02:17] <MTGap> no some of the reviewers have no clue what they are talking about, performance is better
[02:17] <MTGap> This is what you should really read: http://kde.org/announcements/4.3/
[02:17] <FullMetalJocker> anyway...
[02:18] <FullMetalJocker> it is possible to downgrade..
[02:18] <MTGap> Is it? Yes I believe so
[02:19] <FullMetalJocker> yes, i was reading kde.org
[02:24] <Sevis> MTGap - third party sources are generally more reliable...
[02:25] <Sevis> FullMetalJock - check what hardware the reviewers are using, and compare that to your own. Don't just trust kde.org, even though it's non-profit, it still competes with gnome, and shouldn't be taken as pure truth.
[02:28] <FullMetalJocker> i am to upgrade...
[02:28] <FullMetalJocker> further i use synaptic
[02:28] <FullMetalJocker> not that rubbish kpackage
[02:29] <FullMetalJocker> but I hate gNoMe
[02:30] <Sevis> And I don't bother with a GUI and go right through the command line - yes?
[02:30] <FullMetalJocker> too
[02:30] <FullMetalJocker> apt-get uber alles
[02:31] <pikohn> is there any other office suites besides open office for linux?
[02:31] <FullMetalJocker> koffice
[02:32] <pikohn> ok
[02:35] <FullMetalJocker> ok dude
[02:35] <FullMetalJocker> au revoir
[02:35] <FullMetalJocker> ciao
[02:35] <Sevis> Bye
[02:36] <planetary> hello, i am trying to do. 'sudo gedit /ect/modules' it doesnt work. i realize thats for gnome. so i did kate instead and got errors. then kate opened and its blank. is there something wrong?
[02:37] <Sevis> It's /etc/, not /ect/
[02:38] <Sevis> Planetary^
[02:41] <planetary> oh nice. thanks man
[03:14] <fef> I HEARD THIS IS THE TEXT VERSION
[03:15] <fef> i want to enter fonts into the blacks creen but i seem to have a desktop
[03:15] <fef> is this the white people version of linux or not
[03:15] <fef> i heard it supports black
[03:16] <ubantu_dude> My computer has 750g is that fast enough for ubantu?
[03:16] <fef> the black version is superior, si o no?
[03:16] <pikohn> you have to admit kubuntu is amazing.
[03:17] <ubantu_dude> On kubuntu how do I hide my porn from my wife?
[03:17] <fef> pikohn: how do i make it text version so i can enter fonts
[03:17] <amason_> ubantu_dude: encrypt it ? *shrug*
[03:17] <amason_> make a user specifically for porn
[03:17] <pikohn> no idea...
[03:17] <ubantu_dude> well it has to super secure
[03:17] <ubantu_dude> because she cant find out I umm switched teams
[03:17] <pikohn> i should know that...but i dont
[03:18] <fef> pikohn: do you diddle little kids
[03:18] <Planetary> how do i get compiz to start default in 9.04
[03:18] <amason_> ubantu_dude: i think this is probably beyond the scope of this channel.
[03:19] <pikohn> lol
[04:13] <john_re> What's the suggested way to get java (to enable firefox to do java. FF plugins?) - 1) from the ubuntu package? which package - which package name? 2) fron sun?
[04:29] <john_re> noone here?
[04:30] <murry> yes but i am not helpful
[04:31] <john_re> What happened to the apt package manager in kde for ku804? was that synaptic?? Now there is only the low functionality KPackageKit??
[04:31] <john_re> murry: at least you let me know i'm not the only one alive here. ;)
[04:32] <murry> yeah ur alive, i don't have an answer, sorry
[04:32] <john_re> ;)
[04:42] <freaks> hi
[04:43] <freaks> how do i make sure the "sidebars" in kate never ever show up again ?
[04:44] <freaks> i hate those sidebars...  i tell kate to hide them, i save session, as default , i restart kate... thoses horrible sidebars are back :(
[04:44] <freaks> i want to make them disappear for good
[04:54] <plotnikaleks> всем привет
[04:55] <maco> plotnikaleks: #ubuntu-ru pojaucta
[04:57] <maco> grr whats teh scim package thatll get me cyrillic?
[05:21] <kalp> i have installed xchess and its consuming 800mhz of processor even when idle. this causes excessive heating. any solutions?
[05:25] <kalp> i have installed xchess and its consuming 800mhz of processor even when idle. this causes excessive heating. any solutions?
[05:26] <forain> hello, any body here?
[05:26] <forain> i need help
[05:27] <forain> hi?
[05:28] <kalp> i have installed xboard chess and its consuming 800mhz of processor even when idle. this causes excessive heating. any solutions?
[05:28] <forain> hi, i need help
[05:28] <kalp> forain jus typr the question
[05:29] <forain> kalp, first i'm brazillian and don't speek very weel english..
[05:29] <forain> my problem is i can`t brownsble in internet with konqueror..
[05:29] <forain> only for w3m
[05:29] <rosco_y> forain, your english is much better than my brazillian :)
[05:30] <forain> rosco_y, hahaha
[05:30] <kalp> forain ask the question, if anyone knows the answer , he/she will tell you
[05:31] <forain> kalp: well, my problems is i can't brownsable in internet..
[05:31] <forain> konqueror ansewer this for me "
[05:31] <forain> An error occurred while loading http://www.google.com:
[05:31] <forain> Could not connect to host http://www.google.com/.
[05:31] <FloodBotK2> forain: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:32] <kalp> forain are using the same network right now?
[05:32] <forain> yes
[05:32] <kalp> forain: and the same computer?
[05:32] <forain> yes
[05:32] <forain> i can't connec msn for kopete too
[05:32] <forain> connect*
[05:33] <forain> but i can brownseble with w3m in internet
[05:33] <kalp> forain: check konquror settings, if you have put any proxy settings
[05:33] <kalp> forain what is w3m
[05:33] <forain> w3m is a brownser in text mode
[05:33] <forain> like lynks, elinks, etc
[05:34] <kalp> forain so ur network is fine
[05:34] <kalp> forain: check for proxy settings and ip settings in konqueror
[05:35] <forain> yes, i know
[05:36] <forain> i'm looking konqueror configurations now
[05:37] <forain> i'm try download firefox..
[05:42] <bishop> hey
[05:44] <bishop> i noticed that kde has been revamped.
[05:44] <bishop> maybe improved is a better word
[05:47] <bishop> installed ubuntu... added kde
[05:47] <freaks> .fonts.conf doesn't work anymore on karmic ?
[05:59] <bishop> hey masksmaid
[05:59] <bishop> sorry marksmaid
[05:59] <bishop> getting later
[06:00] <bishop> leaving
[06:15] <john_re> What happened to the apt package manager in kde for ku804? was that synaptic?? Now there is only the low functionality KPackageKit??
[06:15] <maco> there was no synaptic
[06:15] <maco> synaptic is gtk, thus only in gnome
[06:15] <john_re> ie, where is that in904?
[06:15] <maco> adept was in kubuntu, but the only working version is kde3-only
[06:16] <Planetary> ya i ask this earlier
[06:16] <maco> you can install synaptic if you want
[06:16] <john_re> yeah, adept, probably
[06:16] <Planetary> thats what i did
[06:16] <maco> be aware itll pull in gtk dependencies
[06:16] <Planetary> synaptic thats what i installed
[06:16] <john_re> adept - if that was the name - was great - much better thank KPK
[06:17] <Planetary> i have a compiz question
[06:17] <maco> *shrug* i can use kpk. i was horribly lost the one time a kde user asked me for help fixing his package manager. i used konsole instead because i didnt understand adept's gui
[06:17] <maco> (i never succeeded in using kde 3 for >5 minutes without becoming horribly confused)
[06:17] <maco> Planetary: whats up?
[06:18] <john_re> Are there any KU dev's here?  Anyone know when some functionality like Adept will be available in KU 904?
[06:19] <Planetary> my cube is messed up when i rotate it. its a new install. i was customizing it  and now when i rotate it using the mouse it glitches and jumps around but its only when moving up and down.. its not my mouse
[06:20] <maco> maybe the "sync to vblank" setting?
[06:20] <maco> john_re: when someone adds that functionality to kpk?
[06:20] <maco> john_re: thanks for the reminder that i promised to hunt down a segfault in policy kit that was tripping up the kpk dev though
[06:20] <Planetary> maco, didnt help
[06:21] <maco> dunno. i thought maybe was a refresh issue
[06:21] <maco> there is a "reset all settings" button somewhere in it
[06:21] <Planetary> oh what does the refresh rate do and the output do?
[06:21] <maco> john_re: oh wait it wont be in 904 at all period
[06:22] <maco> john_re: some future version of kubuntu will have it
[06:22] <Planetary> i ahve turned it off and on and it  didnt help
[06:22] <maco> 910 should have more features like warning on unauthenticated packages
[06:22] <maco> Planetary: refresh rate tells how many times to draw the screen per second
[06:23] <maco> Planetary: think of a cartoon or flip book with fewer images per second...looks all jerky. more images = smoother
[06:23] <Planetary> ya well it doesnt seem to do anything
[06:24] <maco> boo
[06:24] <maco> and you said you tried the big reset button?
[06:25] <Planetary> i wasnt sure what its purpose really did.. refresh rate
[06:25] <Planetary> tryign that now
[06:26] <Planetary> ahh so where is this reset button
[06:27] <maco> uhhhh whats the last thing on the left side of the compiz settings manager?
[06:27] <maco> advanced maybe?
[06:27] <maco> its in there
[06:27] <Planetary> thats advanced search
[06:27] <maco> i dont have compiz installed anymore but i used to use it all the time. pretty sure a button exists
[06:27] <maco> if you go in there, whats on the right? has two tabs i think?
[06:28] <Planetary> trey do exist on certain functions
[06:28] <maco> i think where it lets you load a backed up copy of the settings or have multiple settings profiles is where the reset button is
[06:28] <maco> yeah but there's a universal one somewhere
[06:29] <Planetary> hmm
[06:30] <Planetary> found it
[06:33] <Planetary> i renabled it... its better but still not smooth like all my other ones
[06:35] <Planetary> ok well i guess its good. thanks for the help
[06:38] <Planetary> ah well do you think reinstalling it would help
[06:57] <arash> Hello all,Its my first time logged in to my Ubuntu machine
[06:57] <arash> i start terminal and run "su" command
[06:58] <arash> after I enter my correct password it tells su:Authentication failure
[06:58] <rosco_y> arash: try "sudo su"
[06:58] <arash> I am 1000% sure my passwors is correct
[06:58] <rosco_y> sudo su
[06:58] <Mamarok> arash: Ubuntu doesn't use a root password, you nned to use sudo
[06:59] <Mamarok> need* even
[06:59] <rosco_y> :)
[06:59] <Mamarok> rosco_y: no
[06:59] <rosco_y> ?
[06:59] <arash> aha it works out:)
[06:59] <arash> thanks
[06:59] <rosco_y> you bet
[06:59] <Mamarok> arasarasyou are welcome
[07:00] <Mamarok> sry, I need some more coffee first
[07:02] <arash> how can i install yum in Kubuntu?
[07:02] <maco> arash: using apt, though its a very bad idea to mix apt and yum. they dont share a pakage db
[07:02] <maco> so they wont know what the others have installed
[07:03] <arash> sorry for asking, im novice..so you suggest using apt instead of yum?
[07:04] <Mamarok> arash: that's the default package methode for Ubuntu and all Debian-like distributions
[07:05] <arash> I tried apt-get install yum
[07:05] <arash> it tells E: Couldn't find package yum
[07:05] <maco> oh i guess yum's not in the repo anymore then
[07:05] <maco> yeah, you wanna use apt-get
[07:05] <Mamarok> arash: you don't understand: yum is only use in SuSE, and for RPM package based distributions
[07:05] <arash> I want to install some packages.What command do you suggest?
[07:05] <maco> apt-get
[07:06] <arash> aha...thanks.
[07:06] <maco> yum is for red hat and fedora.  suse doesnt even use it anymore. they use zypper now
[07:06] <Mamarok> maco: oh, didn't even know that :) Seems I haven't touched an RPM based distro in ages :)
[07:07] <Mamarok> arash: to search for packages you do apt-cache search <packagenaem>
[07:07] <Mamarok> and to install you use 'sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[07:07] <arash> thanks a lot
[07:07] <Mamarok> minus the ', of course
[07:08] <Mamarok> arash: you are welcome :)
[07:08] <maco> or we could make this simple
[07:08] <maco> aptitude search
[07:08] <maco> aptitude install
[07:08] <maco> aptitude remove
[07:08] <FloodBotK2> maco: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:08] <maco> FloodBotK2: shush you
[07:08] <maco> aptitude search has the bonus of being alphabetized :P
[07:11] <arash> upinstall “Ement Tools”
[07:11] <maco> upinstall?
[07:11] <Mamarok> arash: what would that be?
[07:11] <arash> sorry that was worong
[07:11] <Mamarok> and don't use "
[07:11] <arash> I am trying to install GNU Radio in my Kubuntu
[07:11] <Mamarok> what do you want to install in the first place?
[07:12] <arash> but the manual is for Fedora
[07:12] <arash> that why i am stuck
[07:12] <Mamarok> ook, let's see
[07:12] <maco> oh i suppose you need these too "aptitude update" (check for updates) "aptitude safe-upgrade" (install updates that dont involve adding/removing anything) "aptitude full-upgrade" (necessary for things like adding a new kernel version)
[07:12] <Mamarok> do aptitude search Gnu Radio will show you the available packages
[07:13] <Mamarok> arash: the package name is gnuradio
[07:13] <arash> yum groupinstall "Engineering and Scientific" "Development Tools"
[07:13] <Mamarok> so: sudo apt-get install gnuradio
[07:13] <arash> sorry for interrupting
[07:13] <Mamarok> arash: stop talking about yum, that doesn't work here :)
[07:13] <arash> i know that...but before hand i have to install some other packages
[07:14] <Mamarok> arash: what you need is a package manager, which Kubuntu do you use?
[07:14] <Mamarok> which version that is?
[07:14] <maco> gnuradio isnt in the repos, Mamarok
[07:14] <arash> let me check
[07:14] <Mamarok> maco: it is in mine
[07:14] <maco> not in karmic then
[07:14] <Mamarok> so says aptitude
[07:14] <maco> Mamarok: or is it multiverse?
[07:14] <Mamarok> well, I bet he hasn't karmic :)
[07:14] <maco> arash: no need to manually install dependencies
[07:15] <maco> Mamarok: well i was only checking from my system :P
[07:15] <arash> its Kubuntu 9.04
[07:15] <maco> arash: the point of apt is to find those dependencies and install them for you. you tell it you want gnuradio and it figures out all the rest to grab
[07:15] <maco> aaahh ok yes it is a multiverse package
[07:16] <maco> arash: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:16] <arash> so it can even find and install myriad of packages mentioned in the manual ?
[07:16] <maco> yes
[07:16] <Mamarok> maco: what would that be for now?
[07:16] <maco> thats why it exists
[07:16] <maco> Mamarok: to enable multiverse
[07:16] <Mamarok> arash: just type 'sudo apt-get install fnuradio', that will do
[07:16] <Mamarok> maco: which is enabled by default in a basic install...
[07:17] <arash> Ok..
[07:17] <Mamarok> gnuradio* even
[07:17] <maco> Mamarok: REALLY?
[07:17] <maco> i thought only main and restricted were!
[07:17] <Mamarok> maco: well, I have always had it enabled when I installed a new system
[07:17] <Mamarok> maco: main, universe multivers and restricted
[07:17] <arash> so it will go thru and download and install Python , NUmpy,sdcc and ...all other packages?
[07:17] <maco> oh wow
[07:18] <maco> arash: yes
[07:18] <maco> arash: back in the days when only rpm and dpkg existed, installing stuff was a pain in the rear because you had to do this yourself. people noticed it sucked, so they created apt, then yellow dog linux folks created yum and fedora borrowed it
[07:19] <maco> and suse borrowed it for a while but they gave it back now :P
[07:19] <maco> arash: given you mentioned dev tools, im assuming the manual was leading you donw the annoying path of compiling it yourself instead of just installing it from the package manager
[07:19] <arash> Wow! and you have to define and isntall all of these packages and dependencies for a fedora machine?!
[07:20] <maco> fedora probably has a package too
[07:20]  * Mamarok needs more coffee
[07:20] <arash> I guess so..let me check the past page of manual
[07:20] <maco> like i said, im guessing the manual is telling you how to compile it instead of saying "install it. now to configure it...."
[07:21] <arash> well yes..you're true
[07:21] <arash> it is telling how to make and compile
[07:21] <arash> and building it
[07:21] <maco> there are two ways to install things in most OSes: compile by hand (somewhat annoying) or install a binary (think an rpm on red hat/fedora, a deb on debian/ubuntu, a Setup.exe on windows, a .dmg on OSX...)
[07:22] <maco> which OS are you coming from?
[07:24] <arash> well sorry to say (I feel it;s like a crime!) but I used windows
[07:25] <arash> now i am swithing to linux
[07:25] <Mamarok> arash: don't feel like this, most people did so, too :)
[07:26] <maco> aye
[07:26] <maco> im just wondering which analogy set to use :P
[07:26]  * Mamarok started with DOS 3...
[07:26] <Mamarok> or was it 2.2?
[07:26] <maco> though im kinda glad you said windows because my OSX-->Linux convert set isnt too well fleshed out yet. havent gotten much practice with it
[07:26] <Mamarok> can't even remember
[07:27] <maco> i couldnt use my computer til i got a win95 machine. could never find any disks for the old DEC with CPM-80
[07:27] <Mamarok> oook, what about shifting this to #kubuntu-offtopic and go back to support here? :)
[07:31] <arash> can I ask are you voluntary do the support ?
[07:32] <maco> yep
[07:32] <arash> I remember once before i cam here and asked my questions
[07:32] <maco> its 230 in the morning here
[07:32] <arash> and I remember your ids'
[07:32] <arash> So you're in east coast
[07:32] <maco> yeah
[07:32] <arash> thanks for your help guys
[07:32] <maco> np
[07:32] <arash> i really appreciate it.
[07:37] <arash> this seems silly I cant use Amarok to play my music files!
[07:37] <arash> Amarok->Play Media...> then I point to my mo3 files
[07:38] <arash> and it doest just work.No track to play
[07:40] <maco> got mp3 codecs installed? try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras to get flash, java, mp3, aac, etc.
[07:49] <arash> When you try to install a package by apt-get and it alerts it couldnt find the package , how should I show the path to system so it can find it?
[07:49] <maco> it says it couldnt find that?
[07:49] <arash> yes
[07:49] <maco> apt doesnt install locally downloaded debs. for that youd use "dpkg -i foo.deb"
[07:50] <maco> ummm thats odd
[07:50] <arash> root@arash:/home/arash# sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:50] <arash> Reading package lists... Done
[07:50] <arash> Building dependency tree
[07:50] <arash> Reading state information... Done
[07:50] <arash> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:50] <FloodBotK2> arash: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:50] <maco> kubuntu-restricted extras doesnt actually contain anything just depends on java, flash, and codecs to pull them in
[07:51] <maco> it should exist....maybe you jsut need to update the package list
[07:51] <maco> sudo aptitude update
[07:51] <maco> if it hasnt been updated once after install it wont know whats available
[07:52] <arash> its updating now..
[07:52] <maco> Mamarok: you take over, please? is bedtime...
[07:52] <arash> Sure.
[07:52] <arash> thank yuo very much fo r your help..
[07:53] <maco> poke her if she doesnt seem to be watching :P
[07:56] <Mamarok> maco: ok, I am here :)
[07:56] <Mamarok> maco: good night :)
[07:57] <Mamarok> arash: does it find kubuntu-restricted-extras now?
[07:58] <arash> yes ! now it downloading extra packages need for that.Thanks!
[07:58] <Mamarok> good :)
[07:59] <arash> So eveytime I want to update my Kubunto I jjust run this sudo aptitude update?
[08:00] <arash> What does sudo and aptitude commands mean in general ?
[08:01] <Mamarok> arash: well, sudo aptitude update will update the latet package list, then sudo aptitude full-upgrade will update the system, yes
[08:01] <Mamarok> sudo goves you administrator rights
[08:01] <Mamarok> and aptitude is the package management for the command line
[08:01] <Mamarok> gives*
[08:01] <Mamarok> sorry for the typos
[08:01] <arash> you're welcome ..
[08:02] <arash> does it have a GUI based package management ?
[08:02] <arash> in Kubuntu I mena
[08:02] <arash> I mean,sorry.
[08:02] <Mamarok> arash: yes, if you open the menu, there are the system settings and you will see a "Add and remove software" option there
[08:03] <Mamarok> arash: but the command line gives you more information and is not difficult to learn
[08:03] <Mamarok> it is much faster anyway :)
[08:03] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> i want to make my ubuntu partition bigger but its locked(not mounted i just tryed to umount on my live cd) can someone tell me how to unlock it (i am on the live cd right now)
[08:04] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: do you have only one parition for your Linux system?
[08:04] <arash> Yes..I just wanted to know.I enjoy it reminds me of somehow old DOS 6 and 5 days.
[08:04] <Mamarok> to make a partition bigger you will have to reduce the size of another one
[08:04] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: also, you need to be root to do so
[08:04] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> noi have two
[08:04] <Mamarok> arash: yes, it does indeed :)
[08:05] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: only two or more?
[08:05] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> two
[08:05] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> in 1
[08:05] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> it's 1 partition whit 2 in
[08:05] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: so you have two partitions for Linux, do I understand you right?
[08:05] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> yeah
[08:05] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: you mean 1 disk with two parittions in it?
[08:06] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> i have a partition for windows and 1 for linux whit 2 in
[08:06] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> in there are 2 partitions in that partition
[08:06] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: that means 3 partitions then :)
[08:06] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> yea
[08:07] <Mamarok> you can't have 2 partitions in another one, that doesn't make sense :)
[08:07] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> but it realy is like that
[08:07] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: so you need to reduce the size of the windows parition, or do you still have spare room on the disk?
[08:07] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> i need to reduce
[08:07] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> and btw i am on live cd right now
[08:08] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: oh, you mean secondary partitions in a primary one? that doesn't make a difference anyway :)
[08:08] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ok
[08:08] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> i'm happy someone is helping me
[08:08] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> :)
[08:09] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: could you give me the output of df -h from the konsole in a pastebin (http://paste.ubuntu.com) and give me the URL, please?
[08:10] <arash> Sorry for interrupting...I assigned a 10GB partition for my Kubuntu machine.Is that enough in general for a linux machine?
[08:10] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ok
[08:10] <Mamarok> arash: that is enough for the basic system, but doesn't leave much space for your data
[08:11] <Mamarok> arash: also, you should ideally have two partitions for a linux system, one for / and one for /home, so you can easily make fresh installations without erasing your /home partition
[08:11] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/251194/
[08:12] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: good, the partitions are not mounted
[08:12] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> but locked
[08:12] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> i cant resize
[08:12] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: is your live CD Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[08:13] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ubuntu (i think)
[08:13] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: that is normal, you need to be root to do so anyway :)
[08:13] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> how to be root
[08:13] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: is your desktop brown or blueish?
[08:13] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> brown
[08:13] <Mamarok> then it is Ubuntu with Gnome
[08:13] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ok
[08:14] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: you would be better off in the #ubuntu channel, as I don't know Gnome at all :(
[08:14] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> oke
[08:14] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> but they don't help me there
[08:14] <Mamarok> the partition manager is gparted, but you need to start it with sudo gparted from a terminal
[08:14] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: you just need to be patient :)
[08:14] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ok
[08:14] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> thx
[08:14] <Mamarok> why wouldn't they help if you ask politely?
[08:14] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> for the help
[08:14] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: you are welcome
[08:15] <Mamarok> can you type sudo gparted in a terminal?
[08:16] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> yea
[08:16] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> and gparted is starting
[08:16] <Mamarok> and are the partitions still locked?
[08:16] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> yea
[08:17] <Mamarok> then you really nedd to ask in #ubuntu, I can't help you very much here
[08:17] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> oke
[08:17] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> thx anyway (agian :p)
[08:17] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: what I do usually is starting the live CD in administration mode and start gparted from there
[08:17] <Mamarok> not running the GUI desktop
[08:17] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> how to go in admin
[08:17] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ??
[08:18] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: you need to restart the computer with the live CD and instead of letting it start Ubuntu, you have an option to go into administrator mode
[08:18] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> where
[08:19] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> at the "try ubuntu" button
[08:19] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ??
[08:19] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: the first screen that the computer is showing you has a menu, it shows "Start Ubuntu, "Install Ubuntu " Check disk for defects, etc
[08:19] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> yea
[08:19] <Mamarok> there you have the option on the base line to go into administrator mode
[08:19] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> and then press f4
[08:19] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> for mode's
[08:20] <Mamarok> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: I seriously don't remember and can't test here, sorry
[08:20] <Mamarok> but everything is explained there
[08:20] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> ok
[08:20] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> oke thx
[08:20] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> agian
[08:20] <UBUNTU-ROCKZ-> :p
[08:20] <Mamarok> you are welcome :)
[08:20] <FloodBotK2> UBUNTU-ROCKZ-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:40] <drcrespooo> hi
[08:41] <drcrespooo> hi
[08:41] <drcrespooo> hlow
[08:41] <drcrespooo> no bady  ther
[08:45] <drcrespooo> plz  any  bady  u  hlpe me
[08:50] <Guest6777> can i have a xgl for kubuntu 9.04 ?
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[08:54] <Guest6777> is any one home ?
[09:07] <bloodi_> witam
[09:53] <sajjad_> hello every one
[09:53] <sajjad_> i want to start learning KDE
[09:53] <sajjad_> help me
[09:56] <Firefishe> sajjad_:  What would you like to know?
[09:56] <Firefishe> oh phoo..he dropped
[10:37] <loevborg> Is there some place where I can track bugs and workarounds for Karmic? Some recent update broke sound for me in some applications. Where can I find out about it?
[10:40] <Caliostro> Guys, hi
[10:40] <Caliostro> :)
[10:40] <Caliostro> Do you know how to install Aurorae theme engine on kubuntu?
[10:47] <ahox> Hi, I still have a problem with akonadi. It won't startup, it bails out at test 10, Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus, any ideas?
[10:47] <ahox> Or is there some tutorial that guides one through all the necessary steps to set it up on kubuntu?
[10:51] <Idhan> hi, is there any way on linux to see the current level of my printer's ink
[10:52] <ahox> Idhan: depends on your printer. However, you can always setup a webcam, point it to your printer, etc... ;-) (I once did that at the office)
[10:52] <Idhan> on windows I can do that.. my printer is a hp psc1310
[10:54] <ahox> idhan, try the hplip driver
[10:55] <Idhan> ahox: how can I try it?? is simply a package to install?
[10:56] <Idhan> ahox: is already installed... but I am not sure is the one I am using..
[10:56] <ahox> Add a new printer, and make sure you use the hplipb driver
[10:57] <administrador> hola
[10:57] <loevborg> Idhan, tr running 'hp-toolbox'
[10:57] <loevborg> try
[10:58] <administrador> alquien habla español
[10:59] <Idhan> loevborg: thank you ;)
[11:01] <loevborg> Idhan, you're welcome
[11:01] <loevborg> Idhan, does it work?
[12:34] <aboSamoor> Hi, guys it is really annoying that every update for kde packages overwrite the /etc/X11/default-display-manager to kdm :(
[13:44] <shadowhywind> hay all when ever i try to run mogrify, I am getting mogrify: NoDecodeDelegateForThisImageFormat any ideas?
[14:15] <rbndj8> buenos dias
[14:15] <rbndj8> alguien me puede decir por k no puedo descargar torrent
[14:18] <skif> âñåì ïðèâåò:)
[14:18] <skif>  :)
[14:32] <bombee> あ
[14:45] <stefano_> ciao
[14:45] <stefano_> !List
[14:57] <phitoo> Hello all! I upgraded to 4.3 from the ppa a couple of days ago and now k3b won't write cd's anymore.
[14:58] <phitoo> k3b goes through all the motions and reports a successful write but nothing is on the cd.
[14:59] <epimeth> does anyone know if I can upgrade to karmic without downloading the iso?  is it possible to go "old school" and simply change the sources to karmic and dist-upgrade?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> epimeth: i think yes
[15:01] <shadeslayer> epimeth: but its NOT advised
[15:01] <epimeth> shadeslayer: also, I'd rather not install all the gnome packages, to "update-manager -d" isn't what I'm looking for :-)
[15:01] <Unksi> epimeth: i wouldnt do that, there is update-manager -d or something like that that you can use to upgrade
[15:01] <epimeth> Unksi: lol... beat you to it ;-p
[15:01] <Unksi> dont remember whats the exact switch for beta
[15:02] <Unksi> :D
[15:02] <shadeslayer> epimeth: as usual its not advised,each alpha upgrade is advised as a clean install
[15:02] <epimeth> shadeslayer: yea, I figured as much... so going from alpha 3 to 4 would be fresh install suggested?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> epimeth: yep
[15:03] <epimeth> meh... maybe I'll just install the ppa if I want 4.3....
[15:03] <epimeth> I kinda wanted to see if my wifi issue was resolved tho.
[15:03] <epimeth> oh well
[15:04] <epimeth> so on that note... is anyone using bcm4328?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> !broadcom
[15:05] <epimeth> or knows how to permanently fix the problems with it?  I have to modprobe stuff to get it to work :-)
[15:05] <shadeslayer> epimeth: youll have to tinker with it
[15:06] <epimeth> shadeslayer: the thing is, it seems to want to use b44
[15:07] <shadeslayer> epimeth: did you look at the wiki? i have no idea on these cards
[15:07] <epimeth> I modprobe -r b43 b44 wl
[15:07] <epimeth> then modprobe wl
[15:07] <epimeth> then b44
[15:07] <epimeth> then restart the network and voila
[15:07] <epimeth> the card identifies as b43, tho
[15:08] <epimeth> stupid dell :-)  its *supposed* to be linux friendly, but they insist on using broadcom cards
[15:08] <epimeth> at least I *have* wireless tho
[15:08] <epimeth> bcm4318 was a huge PITA
[15:08] <shadeslayer> epimeth: yeah,dell sucks at QC
[15:09] <epimeth> shadeslayer: I wouldn't go that far... I've only ever had problems with wireless cards on dell
[15:10] <shadeslayer> epimeth: yeah,with Dell its a draw of luck
[15:10] <epimeth> yea, but I make my *own* luck! :-)
[15:10] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:11] <epimeth> bottom line, my problem is that I decided that if I'm getting a new laptop, I might as well get an N card
[15:11] <shadeslayer> epimeth: get one from intel
[15:11] <epimeth> not thinking that "hmmm.... *maybe* the linux drivers haven't quite caught up yet
[15:11] <bjb1959> any idea when kde4 will be able to automount dvd's and play movies like kde 3 does?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:12] <shadeslayer> bjb1959: theres a widget for that....also thats filed as a bug,so hopefully soon
[15:12] <epimeth> shadeslayer: you kidding? I've had more problems with linux on Lenovo than Dell... but again, I got a top-of-the line with an HDA card... so should I *Really* be surprised?
[15:12] <bjb1959> shadeslayerdo you know which widget it is
[15:13] <shadeslayer> bjb1959: its on kde-look.org under plasmoids
[15:13] <epimeth> is it me, or does anyone else giggle when they see the word "plasmoids"?
[15:13] <bjb1959> shadeslayer, is it device manager? if so I tried it and it doesn't work
[15:14] <shadeslayer> bjb1959: yeah that one....
[15:14] <shadeslayer> bjb1959: whats the problem?
[15:15] <bjb1959> I read that it automounts but It doesn't really do anything any different then the notifier and no way to set it to automatically run a program like vlc etc
[15:16] <shadeslayer> bjb1959: hmmm... thats kinda like an autostart feature,not automount
[15:17] <bjb1959> shadeslayer, yea, sorry that's what I meant. you can set an action in kde 3 to autoplay movies when you insert a dvd but you can't do that in kde 4
[15:17] <shadeslayer> bjb1959: no idea,never tried that
[15:19] <bjb1959> in kde 3 if you insert a blank cd or dvd you can set it to start k3b, when you insert a thumb drive you can set it to open konqueror, music cd's amarok etc pretty fundamental stuff but can't do so in kde 4 yet any idea when?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> bjb1959: you could ask in #kde too
[15:20] <bjb1959> thanks, I'll give that a shot
[15:21] <suit> Hey. I'm trying Kubuntu Karmic right now and was wondering if there is proper Ubuntu One implementation planned
[15:22] <shadeslayer> suit: #ubuntu+1
[15:22] <el_-> hi, Im running 9.04 and I'm trying to set up a HP Laserjet 4P, the printer is discovered, but then no jobs are printed... checked already with google but could not find a solution for my problem
[15:25] <tom__> short question about the kickoff menu:  when I deleted the .wine folder to get a clean wine environment...  how do I tell the kubuntu start menu to update the wine-entry?
[15:35] <ajavid> good morning
[15:35] <ajavid> I am trying to play some mp3 file in amarok and it will only run through the list very quickly but no mp3 play
[15:35] <ajavid> whats to fix?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> ajavid: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[15:37] <ajavid> no
[15:37] <shadeslayer> ajavid: please do so then
[15:37] <ajavid> ok
[15:38] <ajavid> shadeslayer, what does this do?
[15:38] <eitreach> Can someone tell me which taskbar-plasmoid is used here? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KFresh++pack+(bespin+%2B+colors+%2B+wall)+?content=109319
[15:38] <shadeslayer> ajavid: adds support for mp3's
[15:38] <ajavid> shadeslayer, what else does it do?
[15:38] <ajavid> (just so I know)
[15:39] <ajavid> why is mp3 restricted?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ajavid: java and flash support too,apart from other things
[15:39] <ajavid> oh
[15:39] <shadeslayer> !restricted | ajavid
[15:39] <ajavid> I have amd64
[15:39] <ajavid> fantastic
[15:39] <ajavid> also, I have amd64 but I do not wish to use 32bit flash plugin and pluginwrapper
[15:39] <ajavid> I want to use amd64 64bit flash adobe
[15:39] <ajavid> which one will I get with this package?
[15:40] <shadeslayer> ajavid: the 64 bit package
[15:41] <ajavid> good
[15:41] <ajavid> I also wish to find w64codecs and smplayer
[15:41] <ajavid> they used to be exclusively in the medibuntu reposirotyr
[15:41] <ajavid> do you have a deb line for me in soruces.list ?
[15:42] <ajavid> off the top of your head
[15:42] <shadeslayer> !medibuntu | ajavid
[15:42] <ajavid> I right click url, and click open link (konsole) and it says cannot launch kio_http
[15:43] <ajavid> error box
[15:43] <ajavid> I just installed it from cd 9.04
[15:43] <shadeslayer> ajavid: are you fully updated?
[15:43] <ajavid> yes
[15:43] <ajavid> 4.3
[15:43] <ajavid> 100% update
[15:43] <ajavid> do i have to restart pc?
[15:44] <ajavid> I just finished upgradin
[15:44] <ajavid> it upgraded a kernel too perhaps I should reboot
[15:44] <ajavid> brb
[15:47] <ajavid> i am back
[15:47] <ajavid> shadeslayer, it is ok now
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ajavid: ok,so after you have installed kubuntu-restricted-extras,install w64codecs from the medibuntu repo at medibuntu.org
[15:48] <ajavid> oh nice
[15:48] <ajavid> ok
[15:48] <ajavid> !medibuntu | me
[15:49] <ajavid> fantastic
[15:51] <ajavid> oh nice ubuntu comes with a few screen preconfigurations
[15:51] <ajavid> finally, screen is taking popularity in the newb world!  yay
[15:54] <ajavid> ohhh, my tummy hurts
[15:54] <ajavid> :(
[15:59] <ajavid> apt-get build-dep mplayerthumbs
[15:59] <ajavid> oops
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ajavid: are you trying to compile stuff? are you sure what youre doing?
[16:00] <ajavid> I'm backporting mplayerthumbs from karmic
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ajavid: why?
[16:00] <ajavid> it only depends on mplayer but I don't want to take a chance mixing as that package is built on karmic
[16:01] <ajavid> not sure what its build-depends are
[16:01] <ajavid> shadeslayer, to generte video thumbnails in kde 4.3
[16:01] <shadeslayer> ajavid: uh,are you on karmic or jaunty?
[16:01] <ajavid> jaunty
[16:01] <ajavid> thus, the backporting
[16:01] <shadeslayer> ajavid: so why are you mixing your sources?
[16:01] <ajavid> because I can...
[16:02] <ajavid> this is the preferred way to do this
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ajavid: well i dont think thats a good thing to do
[16:02] <ajavid> or would you rather I installed the package directly from karmic instead of rebuilding it on jaunty
[16:02] <Mamarok> ajavid: at your own risk
[16:02] <ajavid> that would be the bad thing to od
[16:02] <Mamarok> those packages can have other dependencies which can screw your installation
[16:02] <ajavid> it doesn't
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ajavid: you are rendering your system un supportable in this channel if you proceed
[16:03] <Mamarok> well, out of sheer luck
[16:03] <ajavid> it only depends on mplayer, even then, I don't want to mix distros
[16:03] <ajavid> I'd rather backport
[16:03] <ajavid> only in an ubuntu channel will I ever hear this.
[16:03] <ajavid> lol.
[16:03] <Mamarok> ajavid: backporting doesn't mean installing a package built for a higher version
[16:04] <Mamarok> a backported package is build for a specific release version
[16:04] <ajavid> dpkg-deb: building package `mplayerthumbs' in `../mplayerthumbs_1.2-kde4.3.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[16:04] <ajavid> I thank you very much for your concern
[16:04] <Mamarok> ajavid: ok, just don't ak us to help if you screw things
[16:04] <Mamarok> ask*
[16:05] <ajavid> I maintain a few packages in debian, I work on debian installer for 8 years, I provide excellent support in #debian for 7+ years, and I'm having to use kubuntu for a desktop
[16:05] <ajavid> people are laughing at me currently, but its alright
[16:05] <ajavid> I know what I'm doing, I just don't know kubuntu specific packages to make things work
[16:05] <shadeslayer> ajavid: no need to brag
[16:05] <Mamarok> ok, can we stop that useless thread now?
[16:06] <ajavid> its not bragging, its simply informing you that you are preachign to the choir
[16:06] <Mamarok> ajavid: just stop it, both
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i havent said a word...
[16:07] <ajavid> I did this becuase the mplayerthumbs in the jaunty repository only works on kde3 apparantly and it will not generate thumbnails for video files in konqueror/dolphin
[16:07] <ajavid> I was told by #kde Jucato that I must either install the latest mplayerthumbs package from karmic, or backport it for jaunty
[16:07] <Mamarok> ajavid: please take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:08] <ajavid> this way it makes available another checkbox in the konqueror configuration where it allows you to show previews for video files in the browser
[16:08] <Mamarok> and stop that here, now!
[16:08] <ajavid> I'm just informing, in case someone else finds it helpful. It took me a long time to figure how to do this in kde4
[16:08] <Mamarok> ajavid: it goes beyond the scope of this channel, period
[16:09] <ajavid> oh
[16:09] <ajavid> Mamarok, but I do not understand how/why?
[16:09] <ajavid> is there a channel specifically for developers?
[16:10] <ajavid> like a kubuntu-dev or a kubuntu-karmic or something specific
[16:10] <ajavid> ?
[16:10] <Mamarok> ajavid: because we do support for official packages here, whyt you porpose has nothing to do in this channel, so either take it to #kde or to #kubuntu-offtopic, but not here
[16:10] <ajavid> Mamarok, it is an official package
[16:10] <Mamarok> ajavid: #kubuntu-devel, but that is not fordiscussion neither, only for work
[16:10] <ajavid> it exists in both juanty and karmic
[16:10] <Mamarok> ajavid: not for a released version, and now stop it, last time I say it
[16:11] <ajavid> don't get mad/angry I'm trying to understand not argue
[16:11] <ajavid> calm down
[16:11] <ajavid> if you don't explai me now, maybe mistake will happen in fugure
[16:11] <ajavid> future, better to be informed than to make a mistake again
[16:11] <Mamarok> -< #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu+1 for karmic, not here
[16:11] <ajavid> ok
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ajavid, , it's prolly closer to #ubuntu+1 , discussions there include kde4 etc, despite the chat name
[16:11] <ajavid> good stuff
[16:11] <ajavid> ahh ok
[16:12] <ajavid> see I'm just trying to find the right forum, its alright, just relax
[16:12] <BluesKaj> ajavid, don't tell ppl to relax , when you're asking for help , it's rude
[16:13] <ajavid> if I feel someone isn't relaxed, I'd tell them to relax, if you think its rude, then I am sorry for your  preception. You can end it now, or continue on, I'm done.
[16:21] <bentob0x> why, dear, why is it so complex to have the sound working well on amarok + firefox + ardour + anything else that needs sound at the same time?
[16:24] <Mamarok> bentob0x: do you have a specific question or problem?
[16:25] <Mamarok> oops, phone, brb
[16:27] <draik> Hello all. I'm trying to create a symbolic link, but I can't seem to get it done. Here is what I am entering "sudo ln –s /usr/lib/libopenal.so.1 /usr/lib/libopenal.so.0". The end result is this "ln: target `/usr/lib/libopenal.so.0' is not a directory".
[16:30]  * shadeslayer searches ubottupedia....nothing there
[16:34] <draik> shadeslayer: I removed my router from the equation and I thought that was it, but I had a moment where the desktop gave me the bird.
[16:35] <shadeslayer> draik: hmm? the wicd problem?
[16:35] <draik> shadeslayer: I'm just going to leave it as 'failing motherboard'
[16:35] <draik> shadeslayer: Yes.
[16:36] <shadeslayer> draik: hmm,well thats a possibility
[16:36] <draik> Don't really have the money to get a new mobo, CPU and RAM, so I'll just put up with it
[16:36] <shadeslayer> draik: hehe,well did you try knetwork manager btw?
[16:37] <draik> shadeslayer: Oh yeah, that failed mid-download
[16:37]  * draik is being generous by assuming it even got to 50%
[16:37] <shadeslayer> draik: gah
[16:38] <draik> I got it now, though, since I'm direct-connect with the modem
[16:38] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:39] <draik> I have to restart for it to take effect, but I'm really needing to create the symlink
[16:45]  * rulo he marchado a trabajar: Gone away for now
[17:06] <draik> So it seems that I can't symlink to another symlink
[17:07] <Mamarok> oh, well, no, that is not possible, else you might creat an infinite loop :)
[17:08] <shadeslayer> draik: lol
[17:09] <olskolirc> I had to reinstall windows and lost my dualboot....how do I recover it with the kubuntu intrepid dvd please?
[17:09] <Mamarok> !grub | olskolirc
[17:12] <draik> Mamarok: FileA. SymlinkA => FileA.  SymlinkB =/=> SymlinkA
[17:13]  * draik is finally installing X-Plane 9 on Kubuntu 9.04
[17:13] <Mamarok> draik: that makes no sense
[17:13] <shadeslayer> draik: why would you need 2 symlinks for the same file?
[17:14] <draik> Mamarok: I have file A. File A has a symlink (Symlink A). Per the instructions provided, I am told to symlink to what is already a symlink, however, I don't think they know it's already a symlink.
[17:14]  * shadeslayer is all confuzled
[17:14] <draik> http://wiki.x-plane.com/Linux_Installation_Walkthrough#Gathering_the_required_libraries
[17:15] <SNIPER181275> ciao
[17:15] <SNIPER181275> !list
[17:15] <Mamarok> draik: why not making a second symlink to that same file?
[17:15] <draik> Mamarok: shadeslayer: That URL is for the both of you. Scroll just under the GUI portion for the symlink instructions
[17:15] <Mamarok> !it | SNIPER181275
[17:16]  * rulo he marchado a trabajar: Gone away for now
[17:16] <Mamarok> !away > rulo
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: bet itll come back to ubottu as a away message :)
[17:17] <SNIPER181275> ciao
[17:17] <SNIPER181275> !list
[17:17] <Mamarok> SNIPER181275: stop this, please!
[17:17] <shadeslayer> SNIPER181275: stop it!
[17:29] <eitreach> I think plasma has stopped responding.. How do I restart it?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> eitreach: plasma-desktop in krunner
[17:30] <shadeslayer> eitreach: but you will have to kill it first,so killall plasma-desktop in krunner first
[17:34] <Byron> Mamarok: shadeslayer: sorry, it seems my desktop didn't like the interwebs anymore.
[17:35] <Byron> I'm on a netbook for now
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Byron: sorry?
[17:35] <Mamarok> Byron: sorry, don't remember what the problem was
[17:35] <Byron> :(
[17:35] <Mamarok> I see a lot of support request in one day :)
[17:35] <Mamarok> ok :)
[17:36] <draik> so yeah.
[17:36] <eitreach> Thanks..
[17:36] <draik> From what I last gathered...
[17:36] <Mamarok> but I will be away in a very short time... sorry
[17:37] <draik> Mamarok: That URL is to the support file online that will explain the symlink. I gues they don't know it's already a symlink.
[17:37] <Mamarok> ah, that's why
[17:40] <ctx144k> hello all, iam using kde4.3.0-backport under kubuntu9.04
[17:42] <ctx144k> i have the follow problem: when i copy a text from a GTK-appliaction (e.a. firefox, xchat) via STRG+C, and close the program, then i have no chance to paste that text via STRG+V
[17:42] <ju73m4> hola
[17:42] <ctx144k> anyone have an idea for that?
[17:42] <ju73m4> hols bl4ck
[17:43] <ju73m4> speaking in spanish?
[17:48] <draik> ctx144k: I have the same issue. I just put up with it.
[17:48] <BluesKaj> ctx144k, I noticed that ctrl+c and ctrl+v doesn't work either but ctrl+c and paste does :P
[17:49] <BluesKaj> leave the app open til it's pasted I guess
[17:49] <draik> BluesKaj: that's what I do.
[17:49] <BluesKaj> that seems to work
[17:50] <ctx144k> yes, then i have no problem...
[17:50] <ctx144k> but... sometimes i closed already the app - than i have no chance to get the data
[17:51] <BluesKaj> don't close it, just minimize
[17:52] <ctx144k> hmmm... - not easy to change usual practices
[17:52] <ctx144k> but ok
[17:53] <BluesKaj> bbl ...gotta cut the lawn before the rain
[17:54] <deathtech> Hey Guys
[17:56] <deathtech> Are there any really great WYSIWYG Web Page development apps for Linux you recommend ? I want to get into it as a hobbyist thing, and im not very certain as to what linux has to offer in this field. I Can read pages all day long, but i figured as helpful as everyone is in this room we could get some opinions rolling in
[18:10] <snarkster> i just di an upgrade and it still says there are upgrades beingheld back. Ive used sudo aptitude safe-upgrade and still have held back upgrades.
[18:10] <snarkster> how do i get the held back upgrades?
[18:12] <snarkster> damn pidgin
[18:12] <snarkster> anyway how do iget the upgrades that are being held back, and why are they being held back, plus how do you find out whats holding them back?
[18:58] <kekeke> if i do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will it automatically install the 64bit edition?
[19:01] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:14] <suit> Is there a way to disable popups when hovering over a taskbar entry? I don't mean preview-thumbnails, those I've disabled, I'm talking about the little text thingie that pops up
[19:14] <suit> I'm a dork. Got it. Taskbar settings.
[19:17] <Planetary> my update notifier wont open. it just sits there in the tast bar. what do i do. i have over one hundred updates
[19:17] <sep1318> is the icon clear?
[19:18] <Planetary> no it looks normal
[19:18] <sep1318> that's what i mean, srry.
[19:18] <Planetary> a cog with an arrow
[19:18] <sep1318> right.
[19:18] <Planetary> k
[19:19] <sep1318> I don't know off the top of my head, but if you're comfortable, I can tell you how to update via the command line.
[19:19] <sep1318> (which should make it go away)
[19:19] <Planetary> ok sounds good
[19:20] <Planetary> terminal open
[19:20] <sep1318> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:21] <Planetary> cool, its doing its thing
[19:21] <Planetary> thanks
[19:21] <sep1318> no problemo.
[19:21] <roconnor> Is Skanlite the prefered scanner application in Kubuntu 9.04 ?
[19:22] <sep1318> roconnor: I don't know, I don't have a scanner hooked up to my machine. :-\
[19:23] <roconnor> also, is there an app in Kubuntu 9.04 to monitor my batter with a little icon on my toolbar?
[19:24] <sep1318> ther's a battery plasmoid, yeah.
[19:24] <sep1318> there's*
[19:24] <roconnor> sep1318: under add widgets?
[19:24] <sep1318> yessir, roconnor
[19:24] <roconnor> thanks
[19:25] <sep1318> np
[19:25] <roconnor> heh, kinda big, but better than nothing
[19:25] <sep1318> yeah, I know what you mean.
[19:39] <enigmatic> hello... I just installed Kubuntu 9.04 and it's crashing on me every few minutes
[19:40] <enigmatic> it just locks up and dies every few minutes, completely without warning
[19:44] <dschulz> Hi all. I'm using KGpg 2.2.0, KDE 4.3.0 and it seems imposible to use keyservers, all buttons disabled
[19:45] <dschulz> i mean, all options related to keyservers are disabled. And no, the keyservers list is not empty.
[19:45] <dschulz> does anyone knows why this happens?
[19:45] <enigmatic> what's the best way to make Kubuntu stop locking up?  are there logs I can look at to help figure out why it's crashing in the first place?
[19:46] <sep1318> enigmatic: I don't really know what to tell you. :(
[19:47] <sep1318> dschulz: I don't know about that, either. I installed Kgpg a bit ago, and it doesn't even give me a menu item. I have to start it via the command line. So maybe a bug?
[19:47] <trampel> enigmatic: (given so little info) i guess i'd look at the output of dmesg  ...?
[19:49] <Caliostro> Hi, all
[19:50] <Caliostro> Who has experience with configurating gfxmenu in grub? ;)
[19:51] <sep1318> Caliostro: Not me.
[19:52] <enigmatic> trampel: I've checked dmesg and nothing useful appears there -- ditto for /var/log/syslog and /var/log/syslog.0
[19:55] <trampel> enigmatic: if there's no error message at all.  just always exactly 3 minutes 23 seconds of peaceful bliss and then *wham* black-screen.  then i'd start considering hardware... maybe.
[19:56] <trampel> you so lie sep1318!  ...aren't you like the author of gfxmenu??
[19:57] <trampel> (what the hell is gfxmenu?)
[19:57] <sep1318> trampel: umm....no.
[19:58] <trampel> don't believe him Caliostro!
[19:58] <enigmatic> trampel: I think it might be hardware.  the problem intensified after I enabled visual effects (which worked fine in Ubuntu on this computer), and I turned them off last time I rebooted and have lasted an entire fifteen minutes without crashing :)
[19:59] <sep1318> trampel: gfxmenu has to do with pretty backgrounds on grub menus, methinx.
[19:59] <trampel> enigmatic: graphics driver..?
[19:59] <enigmatic> does Kubuntu use different drivers than Ubuntu or something?  I had Ubuntu 9.04 installed on this computer a couple of days ago and compiz was working fine
[19:59] <sep1318> Caliostro: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/grub-gfxmenu-documentation-617473/http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/grub-gfxmenu-documentation-617473/
[19:59] <trampel> aha! so you do know _something_....  ;)
[19:59] <apparle> hi guys
[19:59] <sep1318> trampel: courtesy of google, our benevolent lord and mster
[19:59] <trampel> amen.
[20:01] <apparle> My optical drive is not working....can I run the live CD iso through USB(1GB)
[20:02] <sep1318> apparle: surely!
[20:02] <sep1318> (if you can boot from usb)
[20:02] <sep1318> check out unetbootin
[20:03] <apparle> ok I'll chck
[20:03] <dschulz> sep1318: i see in the kde 4.3 release announcement "KGpg,... integrates Solid for detecting the availability of a network connection"
[20:03] <dschulz> it may be a bug
[20:04] <apparle> ok bye
[20:04] <sep1318> dschulz: yeah. or something larger, since the network plasmoid is dummied too.
[20:04] <sep1318> or that could be just a coincidence
[20:13] <enigmatic> is KDE 4 particularly buggy?  Ubuntu 9.04 had almost no crashes on this computer, but as soon as I installed Kubuntu 9.04 on the same computer programs started crashing (and activating visual effects sent the entire computer into oblivion)
[20:13] <enigmatic> e.g., I'd turn on the computer, connect to a wifi network, and I'd get a popup notification that something had crashed and asking me to submit a bug report, and the wifi wouldn't connect
[20:14] <Dragnslcr> Could be a video card issue
[20:14] <sep1318> enigmatic: I don't know, I've hardly had more than the occaisional problem.
[20:15] <enigmatic> sep1318: every time I boot up Kubuntu something else crashes (or doesn't crash, but doesn't work -- wifi being a prime example)
[20:15] <enigmatic> what's a good way to diagnose all these crashes?
[20:16] <sep1318> I don't know. sorry. :(
[20:22] <eitreach> Is it a known bug that Amarok doesn't continue a playlist automatically, or am I just doing something wrong?
[20:38] <cuznt> !botsnack
[21:06] <nawar> hi
[21:07] <DaskreeCH> !hi nawar
[21:07] <nawar> have any one of you guys tried finding a solution for integrating his evolution with MS exchange 2007 server
[21:08] <DaskreeCH> !hi | nawar Oh Didn't see you there!
[21:09] <DaskreeCH> nawar: Nope though #ubuntu might help
[21:09] <nawar> thanks
[21:10] <trampel> (and over at #ubuntu they'll say... "though #kubuntu might help"...)
[21:12] <kid> hi. i have ubuntu 9.04 now, if i download and install kubuntu-desktop by apt-get the kde version will be 4.3 or the one with kubuntu>
[21:12] <kid> ?
[21:14] <Dragnslcr> kid- if you don't have the backports PPA, you'll get KDE 4.2 (I think 4.2.2, but maybe they got 4.2.4 into the standard repositories)
[21:15] <DaskreeCH> trampel: Not likely for evolution :)
[21:16] <trampel> DaskreeCH: though maybe for "MS exchange 2007 server bill-gates pajamas"
[21:16] <DaskreeCH> kid: You should get security updates for the one that came with Jackalope. Unless you make a change yourself or unless there is some very grave security bug that can only be addressed in a new version you will not get 4.3 normally
[21:17] <DaskreeCH> trampel: Yes that's possible but nawar specifically asked about evolution
[21:26] <nawar> However, do you have a KDE-based solution for connection to MS excahnge 2007
[21:30] <DaskreeCH> nawar: OpenChange
[21:30] <timh> Hello
[21:30] <DaskreeCH> !hi  | timh
[21:32] <nawar> Thanks
[21:35] <timh> I have a strange question. Whenever I close down my irc client which I am typing on now - 'pidgeon' and put my computer to sleep, and then later on when I wake up my computer 'pidgeon' is open again!! I mean I did not open it when it was asleep and there are always tabs open on pidgeon which I don't recognise like 'Atlanta.ga.us.dal.net', 'noname.ix.us.dal.net' ???? What is happening to my computer when it is supposedly asleep. Has 
[21:37] <DasEi> timh: you speak of pidgin, I guess ?
[21:38] <timh> Yes sorry.
[21:38] <timh> Pidgin.
[21:39] <timh> Sorry I don't understand why Pidgin is always open when I wake my computer from suspend with those strange tabs open that I mentioned????
[21:39] <DasEi> timh: when you just close the window, pidgin runs on, so you can receive pm's as well as messages from re-connecting, to close it use killall pidgin or close buddy list , too ( or set to offline)
[21:41] <timh> Ahh . Thanks. Where is set to offline. I can't find it?
[21:45] <asac_> how do i tell cmake to output the compile command used?
[21:45] <asac_> i only see short output ... "building xxxx.o"
[21:45] <asac_> i want the gcc command run ;)
[21:45] <asac_> thx
[21:45] <asac_> oops
[21:45] <asac_> wrong channel ;)
[21:45] <FloodBotK2> asac_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:46] <asac_> FloodBotK2: thanks. i am just fast in typing ;) -> kubuntu-devel now
[21:46] <asac_> bye
[21:53] <timh> Another question. At work we use ubuntu. Everyones machines have their printers set-up to work with the printer cups server. How can I set-up my computer to print as well. I mean are there printer config files that I can scp across from my colleagues machines to my machine to get the printers set-up?
[21:55] <DasEi> timh: if you talk to someone particular, put nick in it, or message gets lost; budy list let's you set offline (bottom)
[21:56] <DasEi> timh: no, you would attach your machine to the network the printer server is on, then go printer-setup > network printer
[21:57] <DasEi> that app has a search function which usually finds responsible printers on a network
[22:09] <timh> but i can't connect to them, it won't let me print a test page
[22:09] <timh> asks for a username and password
[22:12] <timh> Do you think that is the username and password of the cups server itself?
[22:46] <OffPlanet> hello,kubuntu noobie, did wibi jaunty install on ASUS u81 laptop,  ?quassel buffer view window word wrap - How do I turn it on?
[23:03] <Jonah> hey guys, just updated through backports repo to kde 4.3, now when i boot up the screen is a big mess, all squiffy, mouse moves about but i can't do anything! i can't even press alt,ctrl-f2
[23:06] <Jonah> can anyone please help me out?
[23:12] <Jonah> is there a way to turn desktop effects off via terminal if i boot to failsafe, that may help...?
[23:16] <reya276> Can i install KDE 4.3 on top of Ubuntu Jaunty running Gnome?
[23:20] <reya276> Can i install KDE 4.3 on top of Ubuntu Jaunty running Gnome?
[23:21] <tommy_the-dragon> does anyone know what pda i should get? i want something that is (at least fairly) compatible with ubuntu, mac OS X and windows, and something that can run java
[23:21] <tommy_the-dragon> with a fairly decent battery life
[23:21] <tommy_the-dragon> could anyone reccomend anything?
[23:21] <reya276> dell XPS m1330 that is what I got and is pretty solid
[23:22] <tommy_the-dragon> ok ill have a look
[23:22] <tommy_the-dragon> thats a laptop is it not?
[23:23] <reya276> yes
[23:23] <tommy_the-dragon> i was looking for pda
[23:23] <tommy_the-dragon> a handheld of some description
[23:24] <tommy_the-dragon> i know nothing about pda's you see
[23:26] <tommy_the-dragon> i primarily want to use it for a personal organiser however it would be good to be able to code my own apps for it (hence the java being a neccesity)
[23:27] <reya276> tommy_the-dragon: then I would get a Palm Pre
[23:29] <reya276> ok if I wanted to install KDE 4.3 I would do 'sudo apt-get install kde-4.3' ?
[23:45] <tommy_the-dragon> atm im thinking ipaq