[00:19] <mac_v> can someone confirm this bug? Bug #411274
[00:22] <suit> Is there any difference in content from installing Alpha3 and updating to just downloading the daily image and installing that?
[00:22] <hggdh> no content difference. End result should be the same
[00:23] <suit> alright. thanks
[00:33] <BluesKaj> back from dinner
[00:34] <alteregoa> black from thinner
[01:12] <sdg> "gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false" Causes lots of instances of Nautilus to start for some reason.
[01:20] <arand> sdg: That bug is ancient.
[01:21] <sdg> arand: It came back when I upgraded to Karmic.
[01:21] <sdg> arand: And I'm not alone.
[01:22] <arand> Bug #325973
[01:23] <sdg> That's the one.
[01:23] <arand> sdg: True
[01:25] <sdg> So it needs fixing.
[01:55] <richardcavell> Update Manager seems to want to make FF 3.5 the default browser
[01:55] <richardcavell> I don't want 3.5, I want 3.0 to be default
[01:58] <sdg> richardcavell: Why?
[01:58] <sdg> 3.5 is newer and stable
[01:59] <richardcavell> sdg: It renders my webmail incorrectly
[01:59] <richardcavell> I registered a bug and they blame my webmail's HTML rather than their code
[01:59] <richardcavell> still it renders incorreclty
[02:04] <billybigrigger> sup all
[02:09] <sdg> hi
[02:24] <bjsnider> cavell, which webmail?
[02:26] <bjsnider> oh, he's not here anymore
[02:41] <spO> to move gpg keys to another system , one needs just  secring.gpg and pubring.gpg , right?
[02:45] <hggdh> yes, this will carry your personal keys and imported public keys.
[02:55] <leleobhz> hello
[02:56] <leleobhz> someone with problems with networkmanager/3g support with lattest ubuntu update?
[03:11] <keylocker> well, i dont know if someone have awnsered leleobhz about 3G (im the same). windows suspend problems ¬¬
[03:29] <hggdh> seems to be related to bug 411668
[03:30] <hggdh> leleobhz, keylocker ^^
[03:34] <keylocker> hggdh: let me see
[03:35] <keylocker> argh, windows xp gone connection de-share is a hell
[03:36] <keylocker> hggdh: different a little
[03:36] <keylocker> mine networkmanager dont crashes
[03:36] <hggdh> OK. So yes, different. What happens?
[03:36] <keylocker> i think pppd crashes, and when nm tries to run dhclient, dhclient dont find the interface
[03:37] <keylocker> because running nm on console the connection appears to be fine, but pppd isnt up
[03:37] <keylocker> pppd runned by-hands return LCP echo problems, but enable or disable this dont make diference
[03:37] <keylocker> so i think maybe some regression within pppd
[03:38] <hggdh> hum. Just out of curiosity, and is the version you have on apparmor? and ppp?
[03:38] <hggdh> s/and/what/
[04:05] <spO> i could do a gpg --export KEY -ao public.key   to create exportable keys or i could simply copy   secring.gpg and pubring.gpg  (from the gpg config directory)  if i want to backup keys or anything like that, right?
[04:11] <hggdh> if you want to save for backup, just copying the sec/pub keyrings is enough
[04:14] <spO> so for DSA private keys and public keys are the same?  If they ar ethe same, then why does one need both, why not use just one for all tasks?
[04:15] <akio> FF3.5 got pushed, yay
[04:15] <akio> break...
[04:16] <hggdh> spO, I did not understand what you stated, can you please try again?
[04:19] <spO> dsa private keys are the same as dsa public keys, right? they have the same key id at least, hence they are the same
[04:20] <hggdh> no, they are related, that's why the same keyid
[04:22] <hggdh> (theoretically, you can even get the very same keys for both public and private, but this would be considered not so good)
[05:07] <stlsaint> hello
[05:08] <stlsaint> so how can karmic break a system?
[05:08] <akio> my mouse doesn't move smoothly
[05:08] <stlsaint> akio: is that cuz your using karmic?
[05:08] <akio> yep
[05:09] <akio> there is a bug with synaptics
[05:09] <stlsaint> what else do you have issues with?
[05:09] <stlsaint> and have checked hardware drivers?
[05:09] <hggdh> heh. probably easier to search Launchpad for bugs on karmic.
[05:09] <akio> bug 405943
[05:10] <stlsaint> got ya
[05:10] <akio> if you are asking questions you should take the jump
[05:10] <akio> why not use it?
[05:11] <stlsaint> well im using ultimate right now and i like it alot...i just erased my xp partition so i have free space for it i guess!
[05:11] <stlsaint> where did you download from?
[05:12] <akio> cdimage.ubuntu.com or releases.ubuntu.com
[05:17] <stlsaint> alright...im downloading now and will test when done!
[05:17] <stlsaint> care to share any insisght into os
[05:18] <akio> when you run into a wall, use google. learning how to fix things pays off in the end.
[05:19] <stlsaint> alright...i think...although i am a strong believer that google IS your friend!!
[05:20] <stlsaint> hey whats the point in this room if your the only one talking and karmic is not being discussed here
[05:21] <akio> the point of this room is the same as #ubuntu only for the development version
[05:21] <jacob> and we're not as loud as #ubuntu, mostly :)
[05:21] <akio> get really stuck and have no idea where to go to next, then you might want to ask in here. I hang in here just to read up on what is happening.
[05:22] <akio> second that
[05:22] <stlsaint> right...thats true!
[05:23] <stlsaint> haha...im downloading from a hotel public hotspot and its taking half an hour to download karmic...great!
[05:23]  * jacob is jealous
[05:23] <stlsaint> a whole 16 percent done...
[05:24] <stlsaint> now now no need to hold emotions
[05:24] <jacob> it's taking a half hour just to download 70MB of updates here -.-
[05:24] <stlsaint> ...yea i got ya beat on that
[05:25] <akio> jacob, you a dev?
[05:25] <jacob> akio: nope
[05:25] <stlsaint> so will i be able to get the full experiece of karmic thru the livecd test run as i do all distros before install?
[05:26] <jacob> stlsaint: mostly. probably not the blazing fast boot or ext4 magic.
[05:26] <akio> no, a full experience really isn't distro hopping
[05:27] <stlsaint> well im not a big fan of 4 just yet so im not missing it and yea boot i understand...mainly checking on functionality at this point!
[05:28] <stlsaint> ha...i dont hop...i got a hold of ultimate and im sold! i use UCE and am going to test karmic!!
[05:29] <JanC> *urgh* update-manager wants to uninstall half of the applications I use when I try to upgrade to karmic  :-/
[05:30] <stlsaint> well thats something good to know!
[05:32] <JanC> I guess I'll have to use old-fashioned dist-upgrade instead op update-manager...
[05:32] <akio> safe-upgrade
[05:32] <jacob> JanC: that'll probably get you similar results. what is it trying to remove?
[05:33] <stlsaint> that sucked...
[05:33] <JanC> jacob: about every mediaplayer for example
[05:33] <JanC> I guess some package makes it resolve dependencies in a weird way
[05:34] <JanC> JanC: and aptitude & synaptic allow dist-upgrades with manual tweaks  ;)
[05:34] <jacob> meh, might be ubuntu-desktop trying to install a conflict
[05:34] <JanC> jacob: *
[05:35] <jacob> JanC: mm, true.
[05:58] <joejc> what is ubuntu 9.10 going to use for the animated boot splash?
[06:20] <bjsnider> joejc, are you serious?
[06:20] <joejc> yes
[06:21] <bjsnider> A) it doesn't matter B) none of the artwork is final yet
[06:22] <bjsnider> when your operating system boots in 10 seconds the boot splash screen is of little import
[06:22] <joejc> why doesnt it matter?
[06:23] <joejc> and a real 10 second boot is impossible
[06:23] <bjsnider> why?
[06:23] <bjsnider> OSX boots faster than that
[06:24] <joejc> they make the hw the bios and the OS
[06:24] <bjsnider> not the hardware
[06:24] <bjsnider> but they do make the shite they call a bios
[06:24] <joejc> unless ubuntu can speed up my bios or boot in 3 seconds its impossible
[06:25] <spO> are bzr codes and packages held on user local machines, or are they held on launchpad's servers?  because PPA is fast but my bzr download is slow
[06:25] <djdarkman> why is boot speed so important?
[06:26] <bjsnider> you can speed up your bios by disabling certain features
[06:26] <bjsnider> don't have it do a ram check every time
[06:26] <djdarkman> nobody gave a damn about boot speed a few years ago
[06:26] <spO> oh there goes the speed
[06:26] <joejc> assume my bios isnt a POS
[06:26] <spO> does bzr work like torrents?
[06:26] <bjsnider> no
[06:27] <bjsnider> it's a revision control system, like cvs or svn
[06:27] <bjsnider> or git
[06:27] <spO> the downloads are slower than apt-get
[06:27] <bjsnider> it's held on a server
[06:27] <bjsnider> there's a lucnhpad channel where you can complain
[06:28] <spO> but i can also complain in here, right?
[06:28] <bjsnider> #launchpad
[06:28] <bjsnider> no. this is a karmic channel
[06:28] <spO> this channel is about karma?
[06:29] <bjsnider> launchpad will have people that can tell you why the downloads are slow etc.
[06:29] <spO> i take it that you do not like launchpad
[06:30] <bjsnider> i do like it
[06:30] <bjsnider> this is irrelevant to ubuntu 9.10
[06:30] <djdarkman> is there someone here who tried UNR Karmic?
[06:31] <spO> is kernel 2.6.30 considered karmic ?
[06:31] <JanC> karmic has 2.6.31
[06:32] <spO> what is 2.6.30 then?
[06:32] <spO> where is the release of an intermediate ubuntu?
[06:32] <joejc> spO, why r u here?
[06:32] <spO> joejc, to learn about ubuntu
[06:32] <spO> and to make friends!
[06:32] <joejc> whats wrong with #ubuntu ?
[06:33] <durt> sp0, please read the channel topic.
[06:33] <spO> they are mostly newbies, joejc
[06:33] <spO> i am elite
[06:33] <spO> durt, how come we skipted a version -- version 2.6.30 kernel ?
[06:33] <JanC> spO: well, then you should stay far away from ubuntu
[06:33] <joejc> sparr, arch is for elite people
[06:33] <spO> janc, how come? what should i use?
[06:34] <JanC> we're allergic to elite  ;)
[06:34] <djdarkman> sp0 you should join #3-lite-h4ck3rs-4-life
[06:34] <joejc> isnt anyone running a unstabble kernel elite?
[06:34] <djdarkman> :)
[06:35] <durt> sp0, karmic's kernel was speced out in April.
[06:36] <joejc> spO, arch is using 2.6.30 so that another reason to switch to arch
[06:37] <sparr> ubuntu is about as "behind" of a distro as i can stand...
[06:37] <sparr> right on the edge, but worth it for other reasons
[06:37] <JanC> spO: kernels are released every 8-12 weeks IIRC, and Ubuntu is released every 6 months, so there are 2-3 kernel releases in between...
[06:39] <spO> is there a iso file or something whereas i can install karmic from a cd like i did with jaunta
[06:40] <DanaG> oh yeah, what is the "xsplash" thing the gdm changelog refers to?
[06:40] <durt> sp0, of course, google 'karmic download'
[06:40] <JanC> spO: of course, there are the alphas, and there are daily builts (daily builts might work, but aren't tested)
[06:43] <JanC> *daily builds*  (I need to go get some sleep)
[06:43] <spO> since ubuntu is open project, can i create a release called spOO and have it based on linux kernel 2.6.30 and label it stable and have it official new release   -- newer than jaunta
[06:43] <spO> i would like to do this
[06:44] <JanC> of course you can do that, as long as you don't call it Ubuntu
[06:44] <joejc> u could upgrade ur kernel inside jaunty
[06:44] <spO> why can't i use the Ubuntu name? isn't it an open project?
[06:44] <spO> wtf
[06:44] <spO> this makes me upset
[06:45] <JanC> Ubuntu is a trademark, just like Debian, etc.
[06:45] <joejc> spO, would u be ok if i stole ur name and pretended to be you?
[06:45] <spO> so, other people can profit from it and make money but i cannot even create something to make me more famous?
[06:45] <spO> so
[06:45] <spO> when people say GNU, they mean that the name, such as Debian or Ubuntu, is copyrighted?
[06:45] <DanaG> oh yeah, one reason to argue that the bring-back-the-update-icon tweak is ALREADY desupported -- damnit! -- is that it doesn't use aptdaemon.
[06:45] <spO> that is not true GNU
[06:47] <JanC> spO: I think you either don't know much about "GNU" or you're trolling
[06:47] <spO> I am going to make a project named TruGnu or TruG for short, and it will allow other people to use the name, it wont' have these bogus name owning standards
[06:48] <JanC> spO: that's fine
[06:48] <spO> i can still sell ubuntu cds for 5 dollars or more and make money, right?
[06:48] <spO> as long as i include the source code ro something
[06:48] <JanC> BTW: the names aren't copyrighted, they are trademarks
[06:48] <spO> i can get compensated for my labor and costs of making cds
[06:49] <spO> and instructions
[06:49] <joejc> spO, do u think identity theft should be legal?
[06:49] <spO> joejc, everything depends on context and other dependencies
[06:49] <joejc> abd u cant make more than $3 for cds
[06:49] <joejc> and*
[06:49] <JanC> spO: if you distribute unmodified Ubuntu CDs, you don't even have to include the sources...
[06:50] <JanC> and you can sell them for 1000 USD a piece if you want
[06:51] <JanC> (if anybody wants to pay that much :P )
[06:51] <joejc> spO, if i stole ur identity eg. max out ur credit cards and the like and ruined ur life and reputation would that be ok?
[06:52] <joejc> trade marking ubuntu protects them from identity theft
[06:52] <spO> do you think it is fair that i cannot name something "ubuntu" because someone else "owns" it?
[06:53] <spO> similiarly, do you think it is fair that i cannot get a credit card in your name because you "own" your name or something similar?
[06:53] <spO> really obsurd
[06:53] <joejc> do u think its unfair u cant change ur nick to mine?
[06:53] <spO> definitely
[06:54] <joejc> thanks
[06:55] <joejc> /GHOST is like trad marking for my nick
[06:56] <joejc> anyone know what "xsplash" does?
[06:58] <spO> XSplash
[06:58] <spO> X based boot splash
[06:58] <spO> https://launchpad.net/xsplash
[06:58] <spO> karmic uses grub2 by default i take it?
[06:59] <spO> and grub allows x to take care of splashes or osmtehing
[07:01] <spO> i wish i could figure out how to install ati drivers for karmic
[07:03] <spO> oh i think i found a page to help me
[07:08] <alteregoa> my ubuntu is cleaning my rooms now
[07:08] <joejc> ?
[07:08] <alteregoa> ubuntu, thats the name of my slave
[07:09] <joejc> i though u put it on a roomba or something
[07:11] <cortex|sk> hi  guys is there any known bug related to 'sudo'(1.7.0-1ubuntu2) ? when i try to log in or sudo .. i get "Error" but everything else works
[07:18] <JanC> cortex|sk: I haven't investigated further yet, but there have been occasional issues with setting the correct keyboard layout in karmic for some time now...
[07:20] <JanC> if you mean you get "wrong password" messages, try entering your password as if your keyword was "us qwerty"...
[07:22] <cortex|sk> JanC: i can use sudo, i can do whatever i need
[07:22] <cortex|sk> but there is just this "Error" message
[07:22] <JanC> ah, what specific error message ?
[07:23] <cortex|sk> just "Error" :D
[07:23] <JanC> aw, that sucks  :-(
[07:38] <alteregoa> i think the diamonds sucks
[07:50] <diverse_izzue> i disabled desktop effects to test something, and now karmic claims it cannot reenable them. is there a manual way of doing that?
[08:44] <Oli``> Firefox 3.5 is opening external link clicks (eg if I say Open In Browser on a link in Liferea) in the current tab instead of a new one. If I create a new profile, it works as expected. Anyone know what setting I've got in my old profile that's bodging everything up?
[08:48] <alteregoa> i need a karmic banana
[09:23] <kayess> I'm trying out the kubuntu netbook installer, and the very first dialog has the next buttons off the bottom of my screen :/
[09:26] <richardcavell> That's nothing.  When I loaded up Sound Preferences yesterday, the window was 3000 pixels high.
[09:39] <tarzeau> does arora and firefox (3.0/3.5) also crash for others (Bus error)?
[09:53] <diverse_izzue> tarzeau, firefox 3.5 works fine here
[09:54] <RAOF> tarzeau: I guess that, given 'bus error', you're on some wierd arch, like PPC? :)
[09:54] <tarzeau> RAOF: no it's i386...
[09:55] <tarzeau> RAOF: could downloaded gnome/gtk themes cause something like this?
[09:56] <RAOF> tarzeau: Yes.
[09:56] <RAOF> Well, gtk theme engines could, because that's arbitrary code running in the firefox process.
[09:57] <tarzeau> RAOF: thanks for the hint, let me try a default theme engine
[10:43] <loevborg> After recent updates, audio apps outputting to alsa don't seem to work anymore, e.g. 'mplayer -ao alsa'. Does anyone have the same problem?
[10:48] <Oli```> Trying to get memcached to load at boot. When I run /etc/init.d/memcached start, it throws this back at me: Starting memcached: memcached disabled in /etc/default/memcached.
[10:49] <Oli```> Why is there a default file stopping it from working?
[10:50] <loevborg> Oli```, it's a low-tech mechanism that lets you choose to have the service started on startup or not
[10:50] <loevborg> Oli```, just edit /etc/default/memcached to say that you want it started on startup
[10:51] <loevborg> Oli```, admittedly it's counterintuitive that it also prevents manually starting the daemon :)
[10:51] <Oli```> loevborg: Yeah I've edited that now but if you install memcached, why wouldn't you want it running? It's a daemon. It's supposed to run all the time. Turning it off is a lame default to have.
[10:51] <loevborg> Oli```, you might want to run it as a non-root user
[10:52] <Oli```> it runs as "nobody" by default
[10:52] <loevborg> Oli```, but I agree with you. The /etc/default/* is a cultural debian thing.
[10:52] <gnomefreak> its not in system>preferences>startup*
[10:53] <loevborg> I suppose with upstart, something much more elegant is possible.
[12:15] <keylocker> hello people
[12:15] <keylocker> im still with nm problem with 3G
[12:15] <keylocker> i got a lot using NetworkManager --nodaemon: http://leleobhz.pastebin.com/m756788d6
[12:17] <x3cion> Any known way to run fglrx yet?
[12:30] <alteregoa> im fiddeling wiht fah
[12:53] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: there?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: sort of
[12:54] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: I just have a quick question about a ff bug
[12:54] <scizzo-> !bug 117132
[12:55] <scizzo-> should that really be forwarded to ubuntu since its actually a GTK menu error in the application itself?
[12:56] <scizzo-> there is a link in the bug report announcing it also being a mozillateam bug...if I am not totally wrong?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: one minute
[12:57] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: the report is right the way it is. the firefox-3.5 is our bug and the firs tone in list "firefox" is upstreams bug. Mozillateam gets every and all bugs in email,
[12:58] <gnomefreak> at least every and all mozilla bugs
[12:59] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: ooo ok....I was wondering....since from what I could see a GTK problem in the browser itself....not sure how to explain it with the userChrome.css theming.
[13:00] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: right I didnt see that assigned to the mozilla-bugs
[13:00] <scizzo-> my bad
[13:00] <oldude67> we now have a bug in ff 3.5?
[13:00] <scizzo-> oldude67: ?
[13:01] <oldude67> ah nvm, your talking about a gnome issue.
[13:01] <scizzo-> oldude67: there will always be bugs...you can never escape that
[13:02] <oldude67> oh yeah i know, whats life without some sort of uncertainty.
[13:03] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: thank you for your help
[13:04] <aboSamoor> it is really annoying that every update for kde packages overwrite the /etc/X11/default-display-manager to kdm :(
[13:05] <sdg> Sound configuration is so much simpler in Karmic.
[13:05] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: np
[13:13] <mandara> sdg, yes, when it works
[13:14] <sdg> mandara: What do you mean?
[13:14] <mandara> sdg, I mean that it usually don't work
[13:14] <sdg> mandara: Why?
[13:15] <mandara> sdg, that question probably for pulseaudio
[13:18] <sdg> My sound is certainly a lot bassier now.
[13:18] <gnomefreak> anyone using tbird2  and or firefox-3.0 3.5 that can test 2 bugs for me to see if you can reproduce?
[13:18] <sdg> I think because I disable LFE and now it's enabled.
[13:23] <natewiebe13> sdg: are you using pulse?
[13:23] <sdg> natewiebe13: Probably.
[13:23] <sdg> natewiebe13: Why?
[13:24] <natewiebe13> sdg: there was just a new release, that may have something to do with it. it added a bunch of controls over surround
[13:24] <natewiebe13> before i dont know how it controlled the sub channel, but now it should do what it is supposed to do
[13:24] <sdg> natewiebe13: Roger that. sudo apt-get updating now
[13:26] <natewiebe13> the update was a few days ago already
[13:28] <natewiebe13> sdg: in sound preferences, under the hardware tab, you can choose how to set up the card (5.1, 7.1, 2.1, etc) then under the output tab, you can choose the volumes for the channels/speakers, its very, very nice. i love it
[13:30] <sdg> natewiebe13: My hardware tab is empty.
[13:31] <natewiebe13> really?
[13:31] <natewiebe13> no card listed?
[13:31] <sdg> natewiebe13: Correct.
[13:31] <natewiebe13> and you are still getting sound?
[13:32] <sdg> natewiebe13: Correct.
[13:32] <natewiebe13> when did you install from? which alpha? or was it a daily build?
[13:32] <sdg> natewiebe13: I installed yesterday.
[13:32] <sdg> Upgraded from Jaunty.
[13:32] <natewiebe13> okay.. upgrading from jaunty may be why its not listed
[13:33] <natewiebe13> imo i would only upgrade from jaunty AFTER the final release, but if i wanted karmic before, i would install from an alpha
[13:34] <natewiebe13> not an expert on pulse, but i think jaunty was using pulse differently than karmic, but i could be wrong. thats why a card wouldnt be listed
[13:35] <sdg> I deleted ~/.pulse and now "Waiting for sound system to respond" is taking forever.
[13:35] <natewiebe13> but one nice thing with the new pulse, is you dont have to blacklist your onboard sound (if you have 2 cards, and want to use the dedicated card) you just select the one you want
[13:36] <sdg> BRB
[13:36] <dupondje> i'm searching a applet that shows my cpu temp
[13:36] <dupondje> any id's ?
[13:36] <natewiebe13> never found one yet.. ive been looking a bit as well
[13:37] <natewiebe13> http://www.bradtrupp.com/ubuntu-cpu-temperature.html
[13:40] <sdg> Okay I restarted my session.
[13:40] <sdg> But Pulseaudio is only detecting my front hardware and not my motherboard audio.
[13:41] <natewiebe13> thats strange.. did you ever blacklist it?
[13:41] <sdg> natewiebe13: No.
[13:42] <richardcavell> Pulse Audio! X( X( X( X(
[13:42] <natewiebe13> first thing, it i would check blacklist.conf and check if the module got blacklisted
[13:42] <sdg> natewiebe13: But I can play sound through it just fine.
[13:42] <natewiebe13> okay
[13:42] <natewiebe13> thats strange
[13:42] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: i like pulseaudio after this latest release
[13:43] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: only because of the configuration for surround
[13:43] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: Before the updates, my sound worked perfectly and I never thought twice about it.  Now only about a third of sounds work at all, and they sound strange
[13:44] <natewiebe13> i had the same problem, it ended up being my nvidia drivers were conflicting, i removed them, and installed 190.18 and now i have no issues
[13:45] <natewiebe13> are you running with an nvidia card or motherboard?
[13:45] <richardcavell> I'm using onboard Intel
[13:45] <richardcavell> I am using Karmic precisely because it has newer intel drivers
[13:45] <natewiebe13> okay..
[13:46] <natewiebe13> but concerning pulse, i just messed around and pulse decided to work. im sure everything will be sorted out around alpha 5
[13:46] <natewiebe13> pulse has come a long, long way
[13:46] <natewiebe13> the alpha releases for jaunty were horrible
[13:47] <richardcavell> I can't change my hardware because I'm on a laptop
[13:47] <sdg> richardcavell: You could buy a new laptop.
[13:47] <richardcavell> By the way, does Karmic download package lists in the background?  I often find that Update Manager has found new packages when I didn't select it to Check
[13:48] <sdg> richardcavell: It checks every day
[13:48] <sdg> Or every other day
[13:48] <sdg> Or every week
[13:48] <sdg> Or every fortnight
[13:48] <Pici> Every Ubuntu release I've used has done that.
[13:48] <sdg> Mine is set to check every day.
[13:49] <richardcavell> sdg: so is mine, but it feels like it checks more often
[13:49] <richardcavell> maybe just my imagination
[13:49] <sdg> richardcavell: Maybe the gconf key has been changed.
[13:50] <sdg> Also, Karmic has a lot more updates.
[13:50] <sdg> Because it's still in development./
[13:50] <natewiebe13> i update 2 times per day
[13:50] <sdg> Karmic has just notified me that my hard drive it failing.
[13:51] <natewiebe13> that sucks
[13:51] <natewiebe13> btw.. do you guys like banshee or rythmbox better?
[13:51] <richardcavell> sdg: does another stable OS confirm it?
[13:52] <sdg> richardcavell: Negative.
[13:52] <natewiebe13> *rhythmbox
[13:52] <richardcavell> Well, I don't know how much I would trust Karmic's judgment
[13:54] <natewiebe13> sdg, richardcavell: do you like rhythbox or banshee better?
[13:54] <richardcavell> I don't listen to music.  Can't say.
[13:56] <natewiebe13> sdg?
[13:56] <sdg> I use Rhythmbox.
[13:56] <natewiebe13> tried banshee?
[13:56] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: start listening to music
[13:57] <richardcavell> I'd probably use an iPod with OS X
[13:58] <natewiebe13> ipod is a cult
[13:58] <natewiebe13> haha
[13:58] <natewiebe13> as soon as a new one comes out. everybody has to have one
[13:59] <natewiebe13> i honestly dont see why people like them, they are unreliable, proprietary, play once file type, and the menu just sucks
[13:59] <natewiebe13> and osx is very similar
[13:59] <natewiebe13> haha
[13:59] <natewiebe13> better than windows though.
[14:00] <sdg> natewiebe13: But they can play FLAC, right?
[14:00] <natewiebe13> not that i know of
[14:00] <sdg> WTF?
[14:00] <sdg> Then they're shit.
[14:00] <natewiebe13> they play .acc or something
[14:00] <natewiebe13> aac
[14:01] <natewiebe13> haha.. yeah they play acc only
[14:01] <natewiebe13> aac
[14:01] <robin0800_> and mp3's
[14:02] <natewiebe13> its converts to aac
[14:03] <natewiebe13> a friend of mine has an ipod and it converts everything to aac. it also freezes all of the time. my dad has an iphone, and it always freezes and looses signal
[14:03] <natewiebe13> i dont like apple (N)
[14:04] <natewiebe13> *loses
[14:12] <alteregoa> crapple
[15:04] <scizzo-> hmmm fixed the pulseaudio problem
[15:05] <sdg> scizzo-: What problem?
[15:05] <scizzo-> sdg: I had no sound...the mixer was not showing...and as soon as I tried to access pulseaudio information I got access denied...even though I am in all the pulse groups
[15:06] <scizzo-> sdg: also the files where playing but no sound...
[15:06] <bjsnider> what fixed it?
[15:07] <scizzo-> !bug 207312
[15:07] <scizzo-> information provided in that bug
[15:07] <scizzo-> to change /etc/default/pulseaudio
[15:12] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:19] <richardcavell> so what's the relationship between ALSA and Pulse Audio in Karmic?  What's the road map?
[15:20] <bjsnider> the same as it's alwaysbeen, i w ould think
[15:20] <richardcavell> which is?
[15:20] <bjsnider> alsa provides the drivers, pulse provides the sound mixing
[15:21] <suit> Hey. I'm trying Kubuntu Karmic right now and was wondering if there is proper Ubuntu One implementation planned
[15:21] <QPrime> and pulse provides an alsa api for any alsa apps that need it.
[15:21] <suit> (Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a #kubuntu+1 channel)
[15:21] <bjsnider> proper?
[15:22] <suit> as in with a non-gnome client
[15:23] <gnomefreak> #kubuntu+1 now forwards to this channel
[15:23] <bjsnider> it would be funny if they had no qt version
[15:24] <gnomefreak> jaunty devel cycle we had it but im guessing lack of people reason why its merged here. i havent kept tabs on it since jaunty cycle
[15:27] <bjsnider> i keep meaning to ask mr. chen what he thinks of oss4
[15:30] <mac_v> gnomefreak: hi... about the multisearch... will the results be published or for canonical eyes only?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> mac_v: only for canonical but it was removed anyway
[15:32] <alteregoa> i hope someone put drag and drop to wine
[15:33] <alteregoa> wine is still not able to drag and drop files
[15:33] <gnomefreak> alteregoa: is it in upstream version?
[15:33] <alteregoa> no its a wine based problem
[15:33] <gnomefreak> alteregoa: you might try #wine-hq or is it #winehq i forget
[15:33] <mac_v> gnomefreak: IMO , thats not fair... the test subjects should know the results
[15:33] <gnomefreak> i think its #winehq
[15:34] <Pici> It is
[15:34] <gnomefreak> mac_v: we know it was a testing thing but the results kind of like pop-con
[15:34] <mac_v> ;p
[15:34] <gnomefreak> same idea behind it
[15:35] <gnomefreak> sorry looking at people trying to figure out what to do about no channel for something :)
[15:35]  * gnomefreak takes any chance of getting a laugh
[15:36] <bjsnider> how many kubuntu users are there compared to ubuntu users? what's the ratio?
[15:36] <alteregoa> 100:1
[15:37] <bjsnider> reference?
[15:37] <alteregoa> because ubuntu still uses those gnomerical obsoletism as standard
[15:37] <gnomefreak> mac_v: 3.0.13+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 removed it and it wont be back at least not for Karmic and i doubt for +1 but we will see when we get there
[15:37] <alteregoa> ref: chapter 2a of gnomeric humanism book 2
[15:37] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: there is no way to find that out
[15:38] <bjsnider> well, i was asking for a general idea
[15:38] <bjsnider> i get the sense that it's at least 5:1 in favour of gnome
[15:38] <alteregoa> i hope someone puts a real gui like macos to ubuntu
[15:39] <mac_v> gnomefreak: removal doesnt mean the results should not be shown , since the data was already collected , without the users prior consent. removal is welcome but it needs to be revealed ... IMO
[15:39] <alteregoa> you cannot put a program from the desktop into the gnome start menu, what  a crap
[15:39] <alteregoa> drag and drop is not very well supported on gnome
[15:40] <gnomefreak> mac_v: AFAIK they have been disposed of
[15:40] <bjsnider> yeah,, i don't think apple would have a problem with that. just steal quartz
[15:41] <gnomefreak> mac_v: i can find out more when we stop rushing around to get everything fixed and uploaded
[15:41] <mac_v> gnomefreak: burnt the paper trail, did they ? ;p
[15:41] <mac_v> hehe
[15:42] <bjsnider> mac_v, the results were given to homeland security for profiling
[15:42] <alteregoa> nautilus is great
[15:42] <gnomefreak> mac_v: not sure to be exact i only know of 1 maybe 2 people that i can speak to on IRC about it. im not emplyoed by Canonical (sometimes thankful)
[15:42] <mac_v> bjsnider: \o/ not i'm on the no fly list ;p
[15:42] <mac_v> now*
[15:42] <gnomefreak> ok be back
[15:43] <alteregoa> now i just have to find a way for nautilus to display the pictures in a folder
[15:44] <alteregoa> folder icons
[15:44] <alteregoa> a python script maybe
[15:57] <richardcavell> Am I the only one who can't get sound from youtube videos?
[15:58]  * gnomefreak cant get sound at all from anything
[15:59] <Pici> Works for me...
[16:00] <richardcavell> it worked a month ago
[16:00] <Pici> snd_hda_intel here
[16:00] <gnomefreak> ok someone say my nick please. dont use ping you will get a message with use of ping
[16:00] <Pici> gnomefreak: this isn't a test channel ;)
[16:00] <hggdh> gnomefreak, please see above :-D
[16:00] <bjsnider> gnomefreak
[16:01] <gnomefreak> doesnt work anyway Pici :)
[16:01] <Pici> awww
[16:01] <hggdh> gnomefreak, are you using xchat?
[16:01] <mistya> Ave
[16:01] <mistya> i have a problem with the audio on KK
[16:02] <gnomefreak> hggdh: no have no sound there either
[16:02] <gnomefreak> hggdh: i have 2 clients running atm
[16:03] <gnomefreak> xchat for mozilla.org irssi for freenode and smuxi for debian servers
[16:03] <mistya> no music of banshee.. no music by flash player.. but the music of Empathy play.. why?
[16:03]  * gnomefreak back to work. others having same issue mistya at least i think so
[16:04] <hggdh> what I found is that I only get announcements on my nick if on PVTs
[16:04] <hggdh> not on the main channel
[16:05] <gnomefreak> hggdh: i was up until recently but im still working on getting my system beep back
[16:05] <billybigrigger> mistya: have you checked your sound properties?
[16:05] <billybigrigger> mistya: try $ killall pulseaudio
[16:05] <mistya> yep
[16:05] <billybigrigger> then fire up sound preferences, and make sure your output sliders are all the way up, and your application sliders too
[16:06]  * gnomefreak might have fixed it, iu hope
[16:09] <richardcavell> when I play youtube videos my sound preferences says "No application is currently plaing or using audio."
[16:13] <mistya> billybigrigger, I killed pulseaudio but I have not solved anything
[16:14] <ajavid> hello
[16:14] <ajavid> to make sure I have correctly understood this
[16:14] <ajavid> karmic is going to be a long time release?
[16:15] <richardcavell> no
[16:15] <ajavid> oh
[16:15] <richardcavell> you mean long term support?
[16:15] <ajavid> which one is going to be the next LTS?
[16:15] <richardcavell> 10.04
[16:15] <ajavid> oh long term
[16:15] <ajavid> I apologize, I thought it was long time
[16:16] <ajavid> so not this one, but the one in summer 2010
[16:16] <ajavid> ok, thanks
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ok guys there's a right click bug in firefox that puts an "exception" in edit/preferences/load images automatically on a site , if you right click for site info for any reason
[16:18] <ajavid> BluesKaj, also to talk about kubuntu here is ok?
[16:18] <mistya> billybigrigger, I killed pulseaudio but I have not solved anything
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yes ajavid , just don't try to perceive ppls emotions :)
[16:19] <ajavid> BluesKaj, I can't be held responsible for the way people present themselves, now can I? :)
[16:20] <ajavid> so this ubuntu+! is kinda like debian sid in a way
[16:20] <ajavid> its always in development
[16:21] <gnomefreak> sound problems please try after removing swfdec-mozilla
[16:21] <gnomefreak> maybe help :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ajavid, I'm telling you that perceptions can be mistaken from reading text
[16:21] <gnomefreak> i have no sound issues now flash, mp3 movies
[16:22] <ajavid> there used to be a hack to fix the sound issues, I used to run alsaconf
[16:22] <ajavid> not to reconfigure the sound, but to unload and reload all snd modules
[16:22] <ajavid> it resets it so sound starts to work, easy shortcut way to reload modules
[16:22] <gnomefreak> ajavid: ubuntu+1 is not "always" in devel since they are not same as sid we release +1 versions
[16:22] <ajavid> so if sound goes caput now, how do you try to fix it?
[16:22] <ajavid> gnomefreak, I don't follow
[16:23] <mistya> ç_ç no audio :(
[16:23] <gnomefreak> !sound > ajavid
[16:23] <ajavid> oh im not having sound problems
[16:23] <gnomefreak> ajavid: sid is never released where as ubuntu+! gets released every 6months
[16:23] <ajavid> I thought you were
[16:23] <ajavid> oh
[16:23] <BluesKaj> the default is the pulseaudio module , it repalces esd , and alsa is till the driver ...that seems to be the setup in karmic
[16:23] <gnomefreak> !sound > mistya
[16:23] <gnomefreak> that better :)
[16:23] <ajavid> cool, I thought ubuntu+1 just always is in development, so the new ubuntu is ubuntu+1 and then one after nm im retarded
[16:24] <BluesKaj> till=still
[16:24] <ajavid> I thought kde4 got rid of alsa?
[16:24] <ajavid> using phonon now or something
[16:24] <gnomefreak> ajavid: no last devel was Jaunty and it was released in 9.04 where as Karmic will be released in 9.10
[16:25] <BluesKaj> ajavid, type alsamixer in the terminal , see what pops up
[16:25]  * ajavid likes alsamixergui
[16:25] <ajavid> BluesKaj, why am I doing that?
[16:26] <mistya> gnomefreak, but in kk the control panel for the sound is different
[16:26] <mistya> there's not MENU FILES
[16:27] <BluesKaj> ajavid, to show you that alsamixer is still active
[16:27] <ajavid> why?
[16:27] <ajavid> what is the context?
[16:28] <gnomefreak> mistya: i know im trying to remember how i got into the old style dialog
[16:28] <gnomefreak> mistya: in terminal type alsamixer  that should give you what you want if i understand you right
[16:29] <gnomefreak> now for the gui eh that another story
[16:37] <ajavid> hey the game nexuiz upstream is 2.5.1 however the latest ubuntu has is 2.4.2
[16:39] <ajavid> i hope its updated by someone by time time koala is out
[16:40] <gnomefreak> ajavid: it would have to happen soon if its a major version update. unless it gets a freeze exception. file a bug on updating it in repos
[16:40] <gnomefreak> thats about the only way you will get it unless someone is working on it already or you are working on it already
[16:40] <ajavid> I see
[16:41] <ajavid> the only game I've actively maintained is with Mr. Muammar El Khatib in debian, called Secret Maryo Chronicles
[16:41] <ajavid> something as huge as nexuiz I can't take the time/responsibility :D
[16:41] <ajavid> I was co-maintaining that one, so not all myself
[16:41] <gnomefreak> ajavid: same way to do it. what version is in debian atm?
[16:42] <ajavid> 2.4.2
[16:42] <ajavid> same
[16:42] <gnomefreak> ok not sure if that is something we would wait for it to hit sid or if the maintainer here wants to do it. that is why bug is best option
[16:43] <ajavid> I would guess usually wait for sid, yeah?
[16:43] <gnomefreak> depends on the package
[16:43] <gnomefreak> and on what the person working on it thinks
[16:43] <ajavid> yah, wishlist on nexuis to update is ok enough
[16:43] <ajavid> any other severity on the bug is inappropriate
[16:43] <gnomefreak> ajavid: add any new features and bug fixes it has on upstream website
[16:43] <gnomefreak> and the link to it
[16:44] <gnomefreak> ajavid: dont set one
[16:44] <ajavid> I'm not
[16:46] <gnomefreak> who was the person with the font issue on monday?
[16:46] <gnomefreak> maybe sunday sorry
[16:46] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, it was bjsnider i believe
[16:47] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: ok thanks i just got a bug report wanted to know if same person
[16:47] <gnomefreak> i finally caught up with micahg about it
[16:47] <bjsnider> yes, i reported it
[16:47] <bjsnider> and i think he confirmed it
[16:47] <bjsnider> or whatever
[16:49] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: he did
[16:49] <gnomefreak> im talking to him about it breifly just to get an idea
[16:50] <bjsnider> i provided ample evidence of it in das bug report
[16:51] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: bug 379761 is the main bug for your problem marked as a dup
[16:52] <bjsnider> it's not a hinting problem
[16:52] <gnomefreak> good thing asac commented  :)
[16:58] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: we are talking about it right now
[16:58] <bjsnider> i already have a .fonts.conf file and i've done all of the fixes. the two problems likely have nothingt o dow tih each other
[16:59] <bjsnider> and i've used both ff 3.5 from jaunty/karmic repos and fromt he mozillateam ppa
[17:00] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, in what channel?
[17:00] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-mozillateam but to follow you hyave to figure out who is talking about what we got real busy in last 2 minutes. thanks mac_v ;)
[17:01] <itswhatev> hm.. what became of xorg.conf?
[17:01] <mac_v> gnomefreak: hei!
[17:17] <sdg> I cannot move the subwoofer volume without moving the output volume
[17:17] <sdg> Oh wait, I can, but it makes the sound fuck up.
[17:17] <sdg> Sounds HORRIBLE
[17:18] <sdg> A loud, tinny noise.
[17:24] <sdg> I think I've managed to get around this problem.
[17:24] <sdg> Next problem...
[17:25] <sdg> I tried to add a couple of volume mixers to my Gnome panel but they didn't add properly. They're just two white dots and I can't seem to right click and remove them.
[17:28] <sdg> I got around that problem too.
[17:35] <sdg> OMG Karmic sure is buggy!
[17:35] <sdg> Things are crashing left, right and centre!
[17:36] <sdg> Maybe I should have waited a couple more months before upgrading.
[17:58] <DanaG> hmm, anyone else have nm-system-settings recently break?
[17:59] <DanaG> bug 402804 -- glad somebody mentioned that separately from the "consent" issue.
[17:59] <DanaG> That one is about overriding preferences.
[18:02] <crimsun> multisearch is gone anyhow
[18:02] <DanaG> Yup.
[18:02] <natewiebe13> DanaG: what should it show for new tabs?
[18:02] <DanaG> Whatever the user preference has set.
[18:02] <Ian_> what was multisearch? :p
[18:03] <DanaG> Just google it... you'll then soon find out what it was.
[18:03] <DanaG> hmm, interesting dialog I just got:
[18:04] <DanaG> "Do you want to import your bookmarks and other settings from Firefox 3.0, replacing your settings from Firefox 3.5 (alpha/beta)?
[18:04] <DanaG> Now, is it Firefox itself asking that... or a wrapper?
[18:06] <natewiebe13> has anyone seen what they are doing for banshee 2.0?
[18:07] <natewiebe13> http://abock.org/2009/07/14/exciting-updates-on-the-road-to-banshee-2-0 definately something worth looking at
[18:10] <crimsun> DanaG: it's a wrapper. see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head/annotate/head%3A/debian/migrator/main.c
[18:11] <crimsun> DanaG: and the corresponding bit in the /usr/bin/firefox shell script
[18:11] <natewiebe13> has anyone seen that before (cabano for banshee 2.0)??
[18:12] <DanaG> now, why is clicking links in pidgin not opening them?
[18:12] <DanaG> must be something about url-type handlers, or something.
[18:12] <DanaG> It's especially irritating when I'll get xdg-mime opening things differently than gnome / nautilus do.
[18:13]  * DanaG uses music playback by folders.  tags don't do what I want in organization.
[18:13] <natewiebe13> DanaG: in pidgin i get firefox-3.0 opening
[18:14] <natewiebe13> DanaG: instead of firefox-3.5
[18:15] <DanaG> ah.
[18:19] <natewiebe13> DanaG: im prutty sure that pidgin is using the command "firefox" which brings up 3.0, i havent found a place to change the command to "firefox-3.5" in the settings yet
[18:20] <DanaG> hmm, now firefox is firefox-3.5, actually.
[18:20] <natewiebe13> yeah.. for version 3.5 at least
[18:21] <DanaG> mv: accessing `/home/dana/.mozilla/firefox': Too many levels of symbolic links
[18:21] <DanaG> *NOTICE* Profile firefox-3.5 found and moved as main profile
[18:21] <DanaG> great, it symlinked firefox -> firefox
[18:21] <DanaG> A circular symlink.  .mozilla/firefox is a symlink to 'firefox'.
[18:22] <DanaG> great... and now it lost all my user data.
[18:22] <DanaG> THAAANKS, migrator!
[18:23] <DanaG> oh wait, no, it just forgot where my profile was.
[18:23] <DanaG> ... and now I have a .mozilla/firefox/firefox.3.0-replaced
[18:24] <DanaG> and a .mozilla/firefox.3.0-replaced
[18:24] <DanaG> well, whatever that was, it broke rather badly.  I don't think I'll be able to reproduce that, though.
[18:25] <DanaG> I had symlinked firefox-3.5 to firefox; that probably caused it.
[18:25] <crimsun> DanaG: please file a bug; that's obviously a corner case in the migrator
[18:25] <crimsun> fta or asac will have ideas for handling that
[18:25] <natewiebe13> firefox-3.5 never even asked to import from 3.0
[18:25] <natewiebe13> for me
[18:26] <unclemike> right now im useing ubuntu 9.04 with grub2 ...how easy it going to be to upgrade to 9.10 alpha3
[18:27] <natewiebe13> unclemike: i would do a fresh install
[18:27] <natewiebe13> but i would also wait until alpha 4 which is released this thursday
[18:27] <natewiebe13> i would only upgrade after 9.10 is released
[18:27] <DanaG> oh, and fixing my profile fixed the link opening, too.
[18:28] <unclemike> natewiebe13, i trued my netinstall cd the other day..after i choose a mirror ..no matter what mirror i tried kept saying cant find kernel module
[18:28] <DanaG> Should I file it directly against 'firefox' package?
[18:28] <natewiebe13> DanaG: was it you I was talking to the other day about having a printer problem?
[18:29] <DanaG> Yeah, and it got fixed with the most recent cups rebuild.
[18:30] <natewiebe13> no.. now its trying to print the same job over and over
[18:30] <natewiebe13> but it at least does print now
[18:31] <DanaG> hmm, I haven't actually retried it.  =þ
[18:31] <crimsun> DanaG: firefox-3.5 is the source package name.
[18:32] <natewiebe13> i just tried it and it kept printing the same job about 10 times.. i had to cancel the job and turn off the printer
[18:34] <DanaG> wow, my profile dir has 4058 places.sqlite-(number).corrupt files.
[18:35] <DanaG> oh yeah, I'm going to try that xsplash thingamajigger now.
[18:36] <natewiebe13> DanaG: thats whats replacing usplash.. right?
[18:36] <DanaG> Probably.
[18:36] <natewiebe13> what exactly are you doing with it? also where do you get it?
[18:36] <DanaG> Wiki seems to indicate that.
[18:36] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/xsplash
[18:36] <DanaG> It's now in repos.
[18:36] <natewiebe13> nice
[18:36] <natewiebe13> what are you trying with it?
[18:37] <DanaG> I'm going to reboot and see what it does.  =þ
[18:37] <natewiebe13> okay.. it also says that there is an "alpha4" release which is the newest
[18:37] <natewiebe13> do you think its included in alpha 4?
[18:38] <DanaG> date given in changelog is   Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:02:08 -0400
[18:45] <DanaG> hmm, xsplash seems to instead be a full-screen wallpaper overlay thingy, that shows momentarily, before and after gdm login.
[18:45] <DanaG> When xorg starts, I see this:
[18:46] <DanaG> *flicker*   (xsplash default-wallpaper)    (gdm with custom wallpaper)
[18:46] <DanaG> And then once I log in, I see this:
[18:46] <DanaG> (gdm custom wallpaper)    (xsplash default-wallpaper)    (gdm custom wallpaper)        (my wallpaper).
[18:46] <DanaG> So yeah, it makes a lot of assumptions about wallpapers.
[18:47] <natewiebe13> its probably because they havent made any themes yet and told xsplash what to do and when to start
[18:47] <natewiebe13> (canoncial that is)
[18:47] <DanaG> And I've tweaked my gdm with a custom wallpaper.
[18:47] <natewiebe13> same
[18:48] <natewiebe13> DanaG: does gdmsetup work for you yet?
[18:48] <DanaG> yeah, though all it does is autologin settings.
[18:48] <natewiebe13> still crashes for me
[18:48] <DanaG> What it SHOULD do, is also pull up gnome-appearance-properties as the gdm user.
[18:48] <DanaG> s/should/ought to/
[18:48] <natewiebe13> i agree
[18:48] <natewiebe13> but i still get the crash
[18:49] <natewiebe13> with the segfault
[18:49] <DanaG> Have you had a chance to reboot since the update?
[18:49] <natewiebe13> yeah
[18:50] <natewiebe13> on launchpad it still hasnt been put as fix released
[18:52] <DanaG> strings /usr/bin/xsplash
[18:52] <DanaG> gives /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[18:52] <DanaG> so it seems it IS hardcoding.
[18:53] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i just checked bug 410475 and it shows that its only confirmed
[18:53] <DanaG> oh yeah, and since my gdm wallpaper is one of the changes-during-the-day thingies, it actually won't work just to assume one static image for splash!
[18:55] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i just had an idea, you know how you said that gdmsetup should have config for wallpaper? how about, when you click on the user's name, or input the user's name, it changes to that users wallpaper
[18:55] <natewiebe13> if none are selected, it changes to default
[18:55] <DanaG> nah, might be too jarring on cancel.  Perhaps have it fade right after login?
[18:55] <DanaG> I mean, not just on name click, but on authentication-granted.
[18:56] <natewiebe13> thats what they are planning to do
[18:56] <natewiebe13> have it fade after login
[18:56] <natewiebe13> i think itd be nice to have it fade with the users, just like when you select wallpaper for the session, how it fades
[19:03] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i think it would help make a smoother transition into a user's session and when you clicked on the user, it would seem like you are already a step further
[19:06] <DanaG> hmm, that might be interesting.
[19:06] <DanaG> er, s/interesting/nice/
[19:06] <natewiebe13> i think its worth a shot
[19:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have any of you used the xml wallpaper stuff?
[19:07] <alteregoa> my cat is gay somehow
[19:08] <DanaG> wow, that was random.
[19:11] <natewiebe13> haha
[19:12] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i have before
[19:12] <DanaG> It's rather nifty -- I can have it be bright at noon and dark at night.
[19:12] <natewiebe13> DanaG: it was an xml that linked to png's.
[19:12] <natewiebe13> yeah
[19:12] <natewiebe13> same
[19:12] <natewiebe13> there were 24 pngs for each hour
[19:13] <natewiebe13> *1 for each hour = total of 24
[19:14] <DanaG> I have one that's the teahouse thingy from igoogle.
[19:14] <DanaG> I made that.
[19:14] <DanaG> And I have another that uses the "invent" and "awave" (logo-less variants) from here: http://dannywallpaper.blogspot.com/search/label/HP
[19:15] <DanaG> er, just the "awave" ones.
[19:18] <natewiebe13> DanaG: any idea what kind of software people use to create the backgrounds with "whisps"?
[19:18] <natewiebe13> http://www.cyber-materia.com/images/green-wisps.jpg <--- stuff like that
[19:18] <DanaG> hmm, I think it's a fractal generator of some sort.
[19:19] <natewiebe13> okay
[19:19] <natewiebe13> thanks
[19:21] <natewiebe13> anyone ever used the screensaver "electricsheep"??
[19:24] <DanaG> http://www.apophysis.org/ -- perhaps that?
[19:24] <Lord-Readman> Hi, Im running 9.10 from yesterdays daily snapshot, I wanted to help test, but im unsure what to test?
[19:24] <natewiebe13> DanaG: except im running ubuntu, not windows
[19:24] <DanaG> hmm, might try wine-ing it.
[19:25] <natewiebe13> doesnt matter.. i was just curious
[19:25] <natewiebe13> Lord-Readman: why didnt you wait until thursday?
[19:29] <Lord-Readman> Whats on thursday?
[19:29] <natewiebe13> Alpha 4
[19:29] <Lord-Readman> cant I just aptitude safe-upgrade ?
[19:30] <natewiebe13> yeah.. but if there are issues, you can submit them and they'll be put up as issues from the alpha 4 cd
[19:30] <natewiebe13> instead of an updated version of alpha 3
[19:31] <natewiebe13> so if you wanted to help-test, i would have waited until thurs.
[19:31] <natewiebe13> just my opinion
[19:31] <Lord-Readman> ok, so once I get the latest version on thursday
[19:31] <Lord-Readman> how can I test and help out
[19:32] <natewiebe13> first thing to do, would be to go to system --> Administration --> system testing
[19:32] <natewiebe13> then follow the menus
[19:32] <joaopinto> !testing
[19:33] <natewiebe13> Lord-Readman: after that, use ubuntu and post any bugs/crashes on launchpad
[19:37] <gletob> Hey did anyone else have issues with printing things?  Like when you go to print things come out blank.
[19:38] <natewiebe13> yes
[19:38] <natewiebe13> i did
[19:38] <natewiebe13> its fixed now for me
[19:40] <natewiebe13> gletob: still have that problem
[19:40] <gletob> I just got done updating and will see if the CUPS update fixed the issue.
[19:41] <natewiebe13> it should have
[19:41] <natewiebe13> it did for me
[19:41] <gletob> Success!!
[19:42] <natewiebe13> thumbs up
[19:42] <natewiebe13> only problem i had, is if its set to more than 1 copy, it will just print forever
[19:43] <gletob> Wait let me try that
[19:43] <natewiebe13> im going to test again
[19:43] <natewiebe13> still have that problem
[19:44] <gletob> Nope I selected 2 copies and 2 came out.
[19:44] <natewiebe13> maybe its just my printer
[19:44] <natewiebe13> i have an ip2600
[19:44] <natewiebe13> im going to test it on my samsung clx-3175 next
[19:44] <gletob> Mine is an HP PSC 1610 All in One
[19:45]  * DanaG has a Samsung ml-1210.
[19:45] <DanaG> It sucks.... it dumps tons of noise into the AC line.
[19:46] <gletob> Are the samsungs nice?  Oops you just answered my question.
[19:46] <DanaG> In fact, it even makes my compact-fluorescent desk lamp flicker!
[19:46] <gletob> DanaG, That bad?
[19:46] <gletob> Have you called samsung?
[19:47] <DanaG> Oh, and I had a little plastic piece in the paper tray break off, so now it mangles papers, unless I print out the front.
[19:47] <natewiebe13> i have a samsung clx-3175, canon ip2600, lexmark x4270, hp psc 2175, and an epson photo rx 595
[19:47] <natewiebe13> my samsung works beautifully
[19:47] <DanaG> ML1210 is also rebranded as a Lexmark something-or-other.
[19:47] <natewiebe13> nice
[19:48] <natewiebe13> im going to reboot and see if it fixes my infinite printing problem :P
[19:48] <DanaG> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ML-2010-Mono-Laser-Printer/product-reviews/B0009ZHF2W
[19:48] <DanaG> er, that's not the same model!
[19:49] <DanaG> Apparently google thinks 1,210 == 2,010.
[19:53] <DasEi> is there something wrong with http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1#Download%20Alpha%201,  can't get the iso from there
[19:54] <stlsaint> so karmic is nice yet annoying so far...still like ultimate better
[19:54]  * DasEi got it, tried alpha1, alpha 3 works, sorry
[19:58] <natewiebe13> DanaG: still have the infinite printing problem
[19:58] <natewiebe13> any ideas?
[19:59] <DanaG> odd.  Check the CUPS daemon log?
[20:00] <natewiebe13> how would i check that?
[20:02] <natewiebe13> DanaG: how would i check the cups log?
[20:02] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not sure, actually.
[20:02]  * DanaG goes afk for a bit...
[20:08] <indy__> hello everybody
[20:08] <stlsaint> hello indy
[20:09] <stlsaint> has anyone got envyng working?
[20:09] <indy__> after an update I am without audio. Totem plays the sound file but I can't hear anything. Same for the signal of the mic. in the tab "hardware" of the sound control I have anything
[20:09] <indy__> the audio card is revealed properly by lspci
[20:09] <indy__> any idea?
[20:11] <stlsaint> can you try plugin into a external speaker source...ie boom box or something
[20:11] <stlsaint> have you tried updating to proprie drivers
[20:12] <natewiebe13> has anyone gotten the harddrive failing error?
[20:15] <indy__> stlsaint thank you for the tip. Actually, my Dell XPS M1330 has two headphones holes, the externals speaker, the mic on the screen and  the mic hole. I can hear the sound :-) but only from one of the headphones holes.
[20:15] <indy__> and the mic hole works!
[20:16] <indy__> How can I manage the volume of the other inputs/outputs?
[20:17] <alteregoa> mic hole
[20:17] <alteregoa> black hole
[20:17] <DanaG> wtf... I just went to scroll my mouse, and ended up flipping wildly through windows.
[20:17] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/39328
[20:23] <indy__> ok, the problem seems solved thanks!!
[20:27] <natewiebe13> bad sectors on a harddrive, can that be fixed through software, or is it a hardware problem?
[20:28] <Twigathy> hardware. Replace drive, restore from backups. :>
[20:28] <joaopinto> natewiebe13, hw
[20:28] <natewiebe13> that sucks
[20:29] <natewiebe13> is anyone else getting their screen to flash every hour or so, just randomly goes black, and comes back after 1 second
[20:29] <natewiebe13> using nvida 190.18
[20:30] <DanaG> For me, it randomly blanks every hour or so.... but it takes a mouse movement to bring the screen back.
[20:30] <natewiebe13> DanaG: what are you using for card/drivers?
[20:32] <natewiebe13> ??
[20:33] <DanaG> ATI.  fglrx 9.7.
[20:35] <natewiebe13> okay.. so its not just nvidia
[20:35] <natewiebe13> probably gtk?
[20:35] <natewiebe13> just like the gdm
[20:35] <natewiebe13> ?
[20:37] <IndyGunFreak> i'm having a very unusual problem, anytime i boot karmic on a thumb drive.. i don't modify anything on the hard drive, when i boot back to my OS, my wireless driver is broken
[20:37] <IndyGunFreak> it doesn't even make any sense, but it has happened to me 4x
[20:39] <natewiebe13> IndyGunFreak: try a printer printing an unlimited about of pages, or an mp3 player connecting and disconnecting rapidly in a cycle, or printing resetting your printer
[20:39] <natewiebe13> none of those make any sense
[20:39] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[20:40] <natewiebe13> or the mixer applet controlling pcm, and the volume control on your keyboard controlling master volume
[20:41] <natewiebe13> IndyGunFreak: the list goes on of weird things ive experienced with karmic
[20:41] <IndyGunFreak> natewiebe13: well, i wouldn't have a problem w/ things being broke in karmic, thats to be expected
[20:41] <IndyGunFreak> i'm curious why its messing w/ my install
[20:42] <natewiebe13> IndyGunFreak: lastly every single alpha version since 7.04, if i use dvi from my graphics card, i cant use wireless, but if i use vga, i can use wireless. on final versions, i can use dvi, but on alphas and betas i cant
[20:42] <natewiebe13> it happens every time, no idea why
[20:42] <joaopinto> IndyGunFreak, the "my OS" is windows ?
[20:42] <IndyGunFreak> joaopinto: no.. 9.04
[20:43] <joaopinto> ok, because I saw a bug reported for something similar, but it was between ubuntu and Windows
[20:43] <joaopinto> somehow the linux driver changed the wifi card status in a way that was not reset by the windows driver
[20:44] <IndyGunFreak> appears to be doing the same thing w/ 9.04
[20:45] <_ben> evening all, got an issue with my sound
[20:46] <_ben> cat /proc/asound/cards returns HDA-Intel
[20:46] <_ben> yet aplay -l returns  device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[20:46] <_ben> just wondering if this is perhaps a known issue before i go digging?
[20:59] <_ben> nay mind, all fixed now =)
[21:11] <indy__> hi again
[21:13] <indy__> now that the audio works, I can only play the local files. youtube audio does not work. In addition, in skype I cannot receive the audio of the talker, but he can listen my audio,
[21:15] <indy__> and skype gives these errors:
[21:15] <indy__> !paste
[21:16] <indy__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/251571/
[21:22] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/182731
[21:23] <DanaG> hmm.
[21:23] <DanaG> libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
[21:25] <DanaG> http://www.schnouki.net/post/2008/08/16/How-to-make-Skype-work-with-PulseAudio-on-64-bits-Linux-systems
[21:32] <kklimonda> DanaG: looks like it's not present in karmic
[21:34] <DanaG> hmm, might be good to add a skype factoid with the link there.
[21:37] <kklimonda> things like that are the reason I don't want to go back to 64bit..
[21:37] <DanaG> I don't use skype.  =þ
[21:37] <natewiebe13> kklimonda: i agree.. 32bit has the best compatibility
[21:38] <indy__> DanaG right decision
[21:38] <kklimonda> lol, nothing like good old casting: o_dlopen = (void*(*)(const char *file, int mode)) dlsym(REAL_LIBC, "dlopen");
[21:38] <DanaG> If I had to use voice-chat, I'd use ekiga or wengo.
[21:38] <kklimonda> heh, If only open alternatives worked..
[21:38] <DanaG> or "gizmo".
[21:38] <bjsnider> every day in here, there's usually something everybody's complaining about. today, it's pulseaudio
[21:39] <bjsnider> a couple of people have said they couldn't get it to work with flash
[21:39] <kklimonda> seriously - I've tested ekiga, empathy and few other and skype has offered the best quality of sound and the least problems..
[21:39] <DanaG> Is the asound pcm pulse missing?
[21:39] <kklimonda> DanaG: only 32bit for amd64
[21:39] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the 64-bit flash is more stable, after all.
[21:39] <kklimonda> bjsnider: which I find weird - pulseaudio works like a charm for me since 9.04
[21:40] <kklimonda> it is
[21:40] <DanaG> Sucks that I can't now do killall -9 npviewer.bin, though.
[21:41] <natewiebe13> kklimonda: same its worked beautifully. except the other day there was a mixup with the mixer applet controlling the pcm and my keyboard controlling master.. but that was very minor
[21:41] <bjsnider> maybe there's a showstopper in the last update
[21:41] <DanaG> TFTP error: 'file /tftpboot/JCڌP����G�ֆ�Җ�� not found' (1)
[21:41] <DanaG> wtf?
[21:41] <natewiebe13> hahaha
[21:42] <natewiebe13> what did you do?
[21:42] <DanaG> that's what the embedded device is telling me.  Apparently dnsmasq is feeding it that garbage as a filename.
[21:42] <natewiebe13> i couldnt find that file either
[21:42] <natewiebe13> even if i tried :P
[21:42] <kklimonda> DanaG: looks like it..
[21:43] <natewiebe13> ‏‫ڌ�����ֆ�Җ��
[21:43] <natewiebe13> what kind of characters are those anyways
[21:43] <natewiebe13> haha
[21:43] <bjsnider> two of them are non-utf-8
[21:43] <bjsnider> the others are a different language
[21:44] <natewiebe13> DanaG: gdm update, patched for xsplash
[21:44] <natewiebe13> did you try it yet?
[21:44] <DanaG> New as of when?  I set up xsplash this morning about, oh, 4 hours ago.
[21:44] <natewiebe13> just now
[21:44] <natewiebe13> just refreshed update manager
[21:45] <natewiebe13> test and let me know (if you dont mind)
[21:45] <natewiebe13> see what it does
[21:47] <natewiebe13> DanaG: going to try it?
[21:47] <DanaG> I already did earlier... or is there an additional, new change?
[21:48] <natewiebe13> what version of gdm do you have?
[21:51] <natewiebe13> DanaG: what version of gdm do you have?
[21:51] <DanaG> Version: 2.27.4-0ubuntu9
[21:51] <natewiebe13> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/2.27.4-0ubuntu10/+changelog
[21:51] <natewiebe13> this is 2.24.4-0ubuntu10
[21:55] <natewiebe13> *2.27.4-0ubuntu10
[21:55] <natewiebe13> DanaG: are you going to see what it does?
[21:56] <DanaG> Later; currently busy.
[21:56] <DanaG> dnsmasq-tftp: TFTP failed sending /tftpboot/image.ub to 10.98.98.198
[21:56] <natewiebe13> DanaG: alright.. sorry to bother you
[22:11] <schristie> how do I get the b43 driver to work with my wireless card? I tried installing it via sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter, but that didn't seem to work
[22:11] <schristie> currently my dell mini 10 is using the proprietary Broadcom driver
[22:12] <schristie> the b43 driver seemed to be installed after I ran the command, but wireless wasn't working
[22:13] <schristie> i.e., it showed up in lsmod and the driver manager, but my device was not working
[22:13] <schristie> oh well, I have to leave
[22:23] <th1> eek, what have you done to my netbook-launcher!
[22:23] <th1> how can I downgrade it again..?
[22:26] <th1> netbook-launcher seriously degraded with that upgrade
[22:27] <th1> ok so the menu looks nicer but all the icons are much too big and wasting space and my places sidebar is gone
[22:27] <th1> I just want to get the old one back
[22:30] <th1> and everytime I remove an icon from preferences (where it added all the defaults again) it shuts down and I have to re-launch it !
[22:34] <x1250> th1, you can download the old one at packages.ubuntu.com
[22:37] <th1> thanks
[22:37] <th1> I've submitted a bug report for this one fwiw
[22:41] <th1> x1250, I've found the package on packages.ubuntu.com but I can't find the previous versions there, is there a special option to show old versions or what?
[22:44] <th1> ok
[22:44] <th1> got it downgraded
[22:44] <th1> it deleted all my favourites :( but whatever
[22:44] <th1> how can I keep it from trying to upgrade it again?
[22:49] <x1250> th1, yes, with aptitude hold package, or with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin
[22:51] <th1> x1250, I figured it from an old command I remembered: "echo netbook-launcher hold | dpkg --set-selections"
[22:51] <th1> I suspect it does the same as the one you said :) but thanks
[22:52] <x1250> mm, didn't know that way, nice :)
[22:53] <th1> a shame the new netbook launcher was so bad. I quite like the new look of the left menu bar but apart from that it's only worse
[23:02] <BUGabundo> ola ola
[23:03] <th1> hello BUGabundo
[23:11] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, today, it's been all pulseaudio all the time
[23:12] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:12] <BUGabundo> it was working for me yesterday
[23:12] <BUGabundo> its still working
[23:12] <BUGabundo> guess I shouldtn upgrade ti then
[23:12] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:12] <bjsnider> well, a lot of people can't get it to work with flash
[23:12] <bjsnider> maybe it's the alsa plugin or something
[23:13] <crimsun> where "a lot of people" is...?
[23:13] <crimsun> 64-bit users who installed flashplugin-installer?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> hey crimsun
[23:13] <crimsun> if so, that's known breakage in ia32-libs
[23:13] <crimsun> users of the native 64-bit Flash alpha refresh from 30 July have it working fine
[23:13] <bjsnider> i don't know that
[23:14] <dupondje> flash works perfect here :) 64bit from labs.adobe.com :)
[23:14] <bjsnider> doesn't flashplugin-installer just grab the plugin from adobe and drop in the appropriate directory?
[23:15] <crimsun> no, it doesn't.
[23:15] <crimsun> it grabs from archive.canonical.com
[23:16] <crimsun> aka the "partner" repo
[23:16] <crimsun> grabbing from adobe is what flashplugin-nonfree did
[23:16] <crimsun> it was the cause of much weeping and gnashing of teeth
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I can say it! its working no prob here on 64bits
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I use the 64 bits .so from adobe site
[23:17] <bjsnider> did it cause suicides too?
[23:17] <crimsun> no idea
[23:20] <bjsnider> what do 32-bit folks do again? i've lost track/interest
[23:25] <crimsun> bjsnider: they install adobe-flashplugin
[23:25] <crimsun> (which is in partner; that's what flashplugin-installer downloads)
[23:29] <bjsnider> crimsun, yes but what is that? what does it install? it doesn't grab the same alpha plugin file?
[23:29] <crimsun> bjsnider: the "alpha" is _only_ 64-bit
[23:29] <crimsun> the alpha is not available from any Canonical/Ubuntu repo
[23:30] <bjsnider> so what's actually in that package?
[23:30] <crimsun> in which package?
[23:30] <bjsnider> adobe-flashplugin
[23:30] <crimsun> it contains the actual plugin
[23:31] <bjsnider> a 32 bit libflashplugin.so?
[23:31] <crimsun> yes
[23:32] <crimsun> adobe-flashplugin is 32-bit-only
[23:32] <bjsnider> which version? 8.xx?
[23:32] <crimsun> 10.0.32.18
[23:32] <crimsun> or whatever is the latest stable release
[23:36] <bjsnider> do you suppose adobe continues to call the 64-bit plugin an alpha just do they don't have to support it?
[23:38] <crimsun> no idea
[23:39] <bjsnider> well, it's very stable, for an alpha
[23:39] <bjsnider> i never have problems with it
[23:41] <crimsun> most people have fewer issues with the 64-bit alpha than the 32-bit stable release