[00:19] can someone confirm this bug? Bug #411274 [00:19] Launchpad bug 411274 in pulseaudio "Pulsaeaudio hogs memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411274 [00:22] Is there any difference in content from installing Alpha3 and updating to just downloading the daily image and installing that? [00:22] no content difference. End result should be the same [00:23] alright. thanks [00:33] back from dinner [00:34] black from thinner [01:12] "gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false" Causes lots of instances of Nautilus to start for some reason. [01:20] sdg: That bug is ancient. [01:21] arand: It came back when I upgraded to Karmic. [01:21] arand: And I'm not alone. [01:22] Bug #325973 [01:22] Launchpad bug 325973 in nautilus "gnome-session keeps respawning nautilus when no desktop is drawed" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325973 [01:23] That's the one. [01:23] sdg: True [01:25] So it needs fixing. [01:55] Update Manager seems to want to make FF 3.5 the default browser [01:55] I don't want 3.5, I want 3.0 to be default [01:58] richardcavell: Why? [01:58] 3.5 is newer and stable [01:59] sdg: It renders my webmail incorrectly [01:59] I registered a bug and they blame my webmail's HTML rather than their code [01:59] still it renders incorreclty [02:04] sup all [02:09] hi [02:24] cavell, which webmail? [02:26] oh, he's not here anymore [02:41] to move gpg keys to another system , one needs just secring.gpg and pubring.gpg , right? [02:45] yes, this will carry your personal keys and imported public keys. === keylocker is now known as leleobhz] === leleobhz] is now known as leleobhz [02:55] hello [02:56] someone with problems with networkmanager/3g support with lattest ubuntu update? [03:11] well, i dont know if someone have awnsered leleobhz about 3G (im the same). windows suspend problems ¬¬ [03:29] seems to be related to bug 411668 [03:29] Launchpad bug 411668 in network-manager "NetoworkManager crashes in g_type_check_instance_cast () when connecting to 3G" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411668 [03:30] leleobhz, keylocker ^^ [03:34] hggdh: let me see [03:35] argh, windows xp gone connection de-share is a hell [03:36] hggdh: different a little [03:36] mine networkmanager dont crashes [03:36] OK. So yes, different. What happens? [03:36] i think pppd crashes, and when nm tries to run dhclient, dhclient dont find the interface [03:37] because running nm on console the connection appears to be fine, but pppd isnt up [03:37] pppd runned by-hands return LCP echo problems, but enable or disable this dont make diference [03:37] so i think maybe some regression within pppd [03:38] hum. Just out of curiosity, and is the version you have on apparmor? and ppp? [03:38] s/and/what/ [04:05] i could do a gpg --export KEY -ao public.key to create exportable keys or i could simply copy secring.gpg and pubring.gpg (from the gpg config directory) if i want to backup keys or anything like that, right? [04:11] if you want to save for backup, just copying the sec/pub keyrings is enough [04:14] so for DSA private keys and public keys are the same? If they ar ethe same, then why does one need both, why not use just one for all tasks? [04:15] FF3.5 got pushed, yay [04:15] break... [04:16] spO, I did not understand what you stated, can you please try again? [04:19] dsa private keys are the same as dsa public keys, right? they have the same key id at least, hence they are the same [04:20] no, they are related, that's why the same keyid [04:22] (theoretically, you can even get the very same keys for both public and private, but this would be considered not so good) [05:07] hello [05:08] so how can karmic break a system? [05:08] my mouse doesn't move smoothly [05:08] akio: is that cuz your using karmic? [05:08] yep [05:09] there is a bug with synaptics [05:09] what else do you have issues with? [05:09] and have checked hardware drivers? [05:09] heh. probably easier to search Launchpad for bugs on karmic. [05:09] bug 405943 [05:09] Launchpad bug 405943 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[regression] rapid pointer movements with touchpad ignored" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405943 [05:10] got ya [05:10] if you are asking questions you should take the jump [05:10] why not use it? [05:11] well im using ultimate right now and i like it alot...i just erased my xp partition so i have free space for it i guess! [05:11] where did you download from? [05:12] cdimage.ubuntu.com or releases.ubuntu.com [05:17] alright...im downloading now and will test when done! [05:17] care to share any insisght into os [05:18] when you run into a wall, use google. learning how to fix things pays off in the end. [05:19] alright...i think...although i am a strong believer that google IS your friend!! [05:20] hey whats the point in this room if your the only one talking and karmic is not being discussed here [05:21] the point of this room is the same as #ubuntu only for the development version [05:21] and we're not as loud as #ubuntu, mostly :) [05:21] get really stuck and have no idea where to go to next, then you might want to ask in here. I hang in here just to read up on what is happening. [05:22] second that [05:22] right...thats true! [05:23] haha...im downloading from a hotel public hotspot and its taking half an hour to download karmic...great! [05:23] * jacob is jealous [05:23] a whole 16 percent done... [05:24] now now no need to hold emotions [05:24] it's taking a half hour just to download 70MB of updates here -.- [05:24] ...yea i got ya beat on that [05:25] jacob, you a dev? [05:25] akio: nope [05:25] so will i be able to get the full experiece of karmic thru the livecd test run as i do all distros before install? [05:26] stlsaint: mostly. probably not the blazing fast boot or ext4 magic. [05:26] no, a full experience really isn't distro hopping [05:27] well im not a big fan of 4 just yet so im not missing it and yea boot i understand...mainly checking on functionality at this point! [05:28] ha...i dont hop...i got a hold of ultimate and im sold! i use UCE and am going to test karmic!! [05:29] *urgh* update-manager wants to uninstall half of the applications I use when I try to upgrade to karmic :-/ [05:30] well thats something good to know! [05:32] I guess I'll have to use old-fashioned dist-upgrade instead op update-manager... [05:32] safe-upgrade [05:32] JanC: that'll probably get you similar results. what is it trying to remove? [05:33] that sucked... [05:33] jacob: about every mediaplayer for example [05:33] I guess some package makes it resolve dependencies in a weird way [05:34] JanC: and aptitude & synaptic allow dist-upgrades with manual tweaks ;) [05:34] meh, might be ubuntu-desktop trying to install a conflict [05:34] jacob: * [05:35] JanC: mm, true. [05:58] what is ubuntu 9.10 going to use for the animated boot splash? === zj3t3mju is now known as zj3t|lunch [06:20] joejc, are you serious? [06:20] yes [06:21] A) it doesn't matter B) none of the artwork is final yet === zj3t|lunch is now known as zj3t3mju [06:22] when your operating system boots in 10 seconds the boot splash screen is of little import [06:22] why doesnt it matter? [06:23] and a real 10 second boot is impossible [06:23] why? [06:23] OSX boots faster than that [06:24] they make the hw the bios and the OS [06:24] not the hardware [06:24] but they do make the shite they call a bios [06:24] unless ubuntu can speed up my bios or boot in 3 seconds its impossible [06:25] are bzr codes and packages held on user local machines, or are they held on launchpad's servers? because PPA is fast but my bzr download is slow [06:25] why is boot speed so important? [06:26] you can speed up your bios by disabling certain features [06:26] don't have it do a ram check every time [06:26] nobody gave a damn about boot speed a few years ago [06:26] oh there goes the speed [06:26] assume my bios isnt a POS [06:26] does bzr work like torrents? [06:26] no [06:27] it's a revision control system, like cvs or svn [06:27] or git [06:27] the downloads are slower than apt-get [06:27] it's held on a server [06:27] there's a lucnhpad channel where you can complain [06:28] but i can also complain in here, right? [06:28] #launchpad [06:28] no. this is a karmic channel [06:28] this channel is about karma? [06:29] launchpad will have people that can tell you why the downloads are slow etc. [06:29] i take it that you do not like launchpad [06:30] i do like it [06:30] this is irrelevant to ubuntu 9.10 [06:30] is there someone here who tried UNR Karmic? [06:31] is kernel 2.6.30 considered karmic ? [06:31] karmic has 2.6.31 [06:32] what is 2.6.30 then? [06:32] where is the release of an intermediate ubuntu? [06:32] spO, why r u here? [06:32] joejc, to learn about ubuntu [06:32] and to make friends! [06:32] whats wrong with #ubuntu ? [06:33] sp0, please read the channel topic. [06:33] they are mostly newbies, joejc [06:33] i am elite [06:33] durt, how come we skipted a version -- version 2.6.30 kernel ? [06:33] spO: well, then you should stay far away from ubuntu [06:33] sparr, arch is for elite people [06:33] janc, how come? what should i use? [06:34] we're allergic to elite ;) [06:34] sp0 you should join #3-lite-h4ck3rs-4-life [06:34] isnt anyone running a unstabble kernel elite? [06:34] :) [06:35] sp0, karmic's kernel was speced out in April. [06:36] spO, arch is using 2.6.30 so that another reason to switch to arch [06:37] ubuntu is about as "behind" of a distro as i can stand... [06:37] right on the edge, but worth it for other reasons [06:37] spO: kernels are released every 8-12 weeks IIRC, and Ubuntu is released every 6 months, so there are 2-3 kernel releases in between... [06:39] is there a iso file or something whereas i can install karmic from a cd like i did with jaunta [06:40] oh yeah, what is the "xsplash" thing the gdm changelog refers to? [06:40] sp0, of course, google 'karmic download' [06:40] spO: of course, there are the alphas, and there are daily builts (daily builts might work, but aren't tested) [06:43] *daily builds* (I need to go get some sleep) [06:43] since ubuntu is open project, can i create a release called spOO and have it based on linux kernel 2.6.30 and label it stable and have it official new release -- newer than jaunta [06:43] i would like to do this [06:44] of course you can do that, as long as you don't call it Ubuntu [06:44] u could upgrade ur kernel inside jaunty [06:44] why can't i use the Ubuntu name? isn't it an open project? [06:44] wtf [06:44] this makes me upset [06:45] Ubuntu is a trademark, just like Debian, etc. [06:45] spO, would u be ok if i stole ur name and pretended to be you? [06:45] so, other people can profit from it and make money but i cannot even create something to make me more famous? [06:45] so [06:45] when people say GNU, they mean that the name, such as Debian or Ubuntu, is copyrighted? [06:45] oh yeah, one reason to argue that the bring-back-the-update-icon tweak is ALREADY desupported -- damnit! -- is that it doesn't use aptdaemon. [06:45] that is not true GNU [06:47] spO: I think you either don't know much about "GNU" or you're trolling [06:47] I am going to make a project named TruGnu or TruG for short, and it will allow other people to use the name, it wont' have these bogus name owning standards [06:48] spO: that's fine [06:48] i can still sell ubuntu cds for 5 dollars or more and make money, right? [06:48] as long as i include the source code ro something [06:48] BTW: the names aren't copyrighted, they are trademarks [06:48] i can get compensated for my labor and costs of making cds [06:49] and instructions [06:49] spO, do u think identity theft should be legal? [06:49] joejc, everything depends on context and other dependencies [06:49] abd u cant make more than $3 for cds [06:49] and* [06:49] spO: if you distribute unmodified Ubuntu CDs, you don't even have to include the sources... [06:50] and you can sell them for 1000 USD a piece if you want [06:51] (if anybody wants to pay that much :P ) [06:51] spO, if i stole ur identity eg. max out ur credit cards and the like and ruined ur life and reputation would that be ok? [06:52] trade marking ubuntu protects them from identity theft [06:52] do you think it is fair that i cannot name something "ubuntu" because someone else "owns" it? [06:53] similiarly, do you think it is fair that i cannot get a credit card in your name because you "own" your name or something similar? [06:53] really obsurd [06:53] do u think its unfair u cant change ur nick to mine? [06:53] definitely === joejc is now known as blablabla === spO is now known as joejc [06:54] thanks === blablabla is now known as joejc [06:55] /GHOST is like trad marking for my nick [06:56] anyone know what "xsplash" does? [06:58] XSplash [06:58] X based boot splash [06:58] https://launchpad.net/xsplash [06:58] karmic uses grub2 by default i take it? [06:59] and grub allows x to take care of splashes or osmtehing [07:01] i wish i could figure out how to install ati drivers for karmic [07:03] oh i think i found a page to help me [07:08] my ubuntu is cleaning my rooms now [07:08] ? [07:08] ubuntu, thats the name of my slave [07:09] i though u put it on a roomba or something [07:11] hi guys is there any known bug related to 'sudo'(1.7.0-1ubuntu2) ? when i try to log in or sudo .. i get "Error" but everything else works [07:18] cortex|sk: I haven't investigated further yet, but there have been occasional issues with setting the correct keyboard layout in karmic for some time now... [07:20] if you mean you get "wrong password" messages, try entering your password as if your keyword was "us qwerty"... [07:22] JanC: i can use sudo, i can do whatever i need [07:22] but there is just this "Error" message [07:22] ah, what specific error message ? [07:23] just "Error" :D [07:23] aw, that sucks :-( [07:38] i think the diamonds sucks [07:50] i disabled desktop effects to test something, and now karmic claims it cannot reenable them. is there a manual way of doing that? [08:44] Firefox 3.5 is opening external link clicks (eg if I say Open In Browser on a link in Liferea) in the current tab instead of a new one. If I create a new profile, it works as expected. Anyone know what setting I've got in my old profile that's bodging everything up? [08:48] i need a karmic banana === ripps_ is now known as ripps === kayess_ is now known as kayess [09:23] I'm trying out the kubuntu netbook installer, and the very first dialog has the next buttons off the bottom of my screen :/ [09:26] That's nothing. When I loaded up Sound Preferences yesterday, the window was 3000 pixels high. [09:39] does arora and firefox (3.0/3.5) also crash for others (Bus error)? [09:53] tarzeau, firefox 3.5 works fine here [09:54] tarzeau: I guess that, given 'bus error', you're on some wierd arch, like PPC? :) [09:54] RAOF: no it's i386... [09:55] RAOF: could downloaded gnome/gtk themes cause something like this? [09:56] tarzeau: Yes. [09:56] Well, gtk theme engines could, because that's arbitrary code running in the firefox process. [09:57] RAOF: thanks for the hint, let me try a default theme engine [10:43] After recent updates, audio apps outputting to alsa don't seem to work anymore, e.g. 'mplayer -ao alsa'. Does anyone have the same problem? [10:48] Trying to get memcached to load at boot. When I run /etc/init.d/memcached start, it throws this back at me: Starting memcached: memcached disabled in /etc/default/memcached. [10:49] Why is there a default file stopping it from working? [10:50] Oli```, it's a low-tech mechanism that lets you choose to have the service started on startup or not [10:50] Oli```, just edit /etc/default/memcached to say that you want it started on startup [10:51] Oli```, admittedly it's counterintuitive that it also prevents manually starting the daemon :) [10:51] loevborg: Yeah I've edited that now but if you install memcached, why wouldn't you want it running? It's a daemon. It's supposed to run all the time. Turning it off is a lame default to have. [10:51] Oli```, you might want to run it as a non-root user [10:52] it runs as "nobody" by default [10:52] Oli```, but I agree with you. The /etc/default/* is a cultural debian thing. [10:52] its not in system>preferences>startup* [10:53] I suppose with upstart, something much more elegant is possible. [12:15] hello people [12:15] im still with nm problem with 3G [12:15] i got a lot using NetworkManager --nodaemon: http://leleobhz.pastebin.com/m756788d6 [12:17] Any known way to run fglrx yet? [12:30] im fiddeling wiht fah === arand_ is now known as arand [12:53] gnomefreak: there? [12:54] scizzo-: sort of [12:54] gnomefreak: I just have a quick question about a ff bug [12:54] !bug 117132 [12:54] Launchpad bug 117132 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox ignores gnome theme's specific menu bar text color" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117132 [12:55] should that really be forwarded to ubuntu since its actually a GTK menu error in the application itself? [12:56] there is a link in the bug report announcing it also being a mozillateam bug...if I am not totally wrong? [12:56] scizzo-: one minute [12:57] scizzo-: the report is right the way it is. the firefox-3.5 is our bug and the firs tone in list "firefox" is upstreams bug. Mozillateam gets every and all bugs in email, [12:58] at least every and all mozilla bugs [12:59] gnomefreak: ooo ok....I was wondering....since from what I could see a GTK problem in the browser itself....not sure how to explain it with the userChrome.css theming. [13:00] gnomefreak: right I didnt see that assigned to the mozilla-bugs [13:00] my bad [13:00] we now have a bug in ff 3.5? [13:00] oldude67: ? [13:01] ah nvm, your talking about a gnome issue. [13:01] oldude67: there will always be bugs...you can never escape that [13:02] oh yeah i know, whats life without some sort of uncertainty. [13:03] gnomefreak: thank you for your help [13:04] it is really annoying that every update for kde packages overwrite the /etc/X11/default-display-manager to kdm :( [13:05] Sound configuration is so much simpler in Karmic. [13:05] scizzo-: np [13:13] sdg, yes, when it works [13:14] mandara: What do you mean? [13:14] sdg, I mean that it usually don't work [13:14] mandara: Why? [13:15] sdg, that question probably for pulseaudio [13:18] My sound is certainly a lot bassier now. [13:18] anyone using tbird2 and or firefox-3.0 3.5 that can test 2 bugs for me to see if you can reproduce? [13:18] I think because I disable LFE and now it's enabled. [13:23] sdg: are you using pulse? [13:23] natewiebe13: Probably. [13:23] natewiebe13: Why? [13:24] sdg: there was just a new release, that may have something to do with it. it added a bunch of controls over surround [13:24] before i dont know how it controlled the sub channel, but now it should do what it is supposed to do [13:24] natewiebe13: Roger that. sudo apt-get updating now [13:26] the update was a few days ago already [13:28] sdg: in sound preferences, under the hardware tab, you can choose how to set up the card (5.1, 7.1, 2.1, etc) then under the output tab, you can choose the volumes for the channels/speakers, its very, very nice. i love it [13:30] natewiebe13: My hardware tab is empty. [13:31] really? [13:31] no card listed? [13:31] natewiebe13: Correct. [13:31] and you are still getting sound? [13:32] natewiebe13: Correct. [13:32] when did you install from? which alpha? or was it a daily build? [13:32] natewiebe13: I installed yesterday. [13:32] Upgraded from Jaunty. [13:32] okay.. upgrading from jaunty may be why its not listed [13:33] imo i would only upgrade from jaunty AFTER the final release, but if i wanted karmic before, i would install from an alpha [13:34] not an expert on pulse, but i think jaunty was using pulse differently than karmic, but i could be wrong. thats why a card wouldnt be listed [13:35] I deleted ~/.pulse and now "Waiting for sound system to respond" is taking forever. [13:35] but one nice thing with the new pulse, is you dont have to blacklist your onboard sound (if you have 2 cards, and want to use the dedicated card) you just select the one you want [13:36] BRB [13:36] i'm searching a applet that shows my cpu temp [13:36] any id's ? [13:36] never found one yet.. ive been looking a bit as well [13:37] http://www.bradtrupp.com/ubuntu-cpu-temperature.html [13:40] Okay I restarted my session. [13:40] But Pulseaudio is only detecting my front hardware and not my motherboard audio. [13:41] thats strange.. did you ever blacklist it? [13:41] natewiebe13: No. [13:42] Pulse Audio! X( X( X( X( [13:42] first thing, it i would check blacklist.conf and check if the module got blacklisted [13:42] natewiebe13: But I can play sound through it just fine. [13:42] okay [13:42] thats strange [13:42] richardcavell: i like pulseaudio after this latest release [13:43] richardcavell: only because of the configuration for surround [13:43] natewiebe13: Before the updates, my sound worked perfectly and I never thought twice about it. Now only about a third of sounds work at all, and they sound strange [13:44] i had the same problem, it ended up being my nvidia drivers were conflicting, i removed them, and installed 190.18 and now i have no issues [13:45] are you running with an nvidia card or motherboard? [13:45] I'm using onboard Intel [13:45] I am using Karmic precisely because it has newer intel drivers [13:45] okay.. [13:46] but concerning pulse, i just messed around and pulse decided to work. im sure everything will be sorted out around alpha 5 [13:46] pulse has come a long, long way [13:46] the alpha releases for jaunty were horrible [13:47] I can't change my hardware because I'm on a laptop [13:47] richardcavell: You could buy a new laptop. [13:47] By the way, does Karmic download package lists in the background? I often find that Update Manager has found new packages when I didn't select it to Check [13:48] richardcavell: It checks every day [13:48] Or every other day [13:48] Or every week [13:48] Or every fortnight [13:48] Every Ubuntu release I've used has done that. [13:48] Mine is set to check every day. [13:49] sdg: so is mine, but it feels like it checks more often [13:49] maybe just my imagination [13:49] richardcavell: Maybe the gconf key has been changed. [13:50] Also, Karmic has a lot more updates. [13:50] Because it's still in development./ [13:50] i update 2 times per day [13:50] Karmic has just notified me that my hard drive it failing. [13:51] that sucks [13:51] btw.. do you guys like banshee or rythmbox better? [13:51] sdg: does another stable OS confirm it? [13:52] richardcavell: Negative. [13:52] *rhythmbox [13:52] Well, I don't know how much I would trust Karmic's judgment [13:54] sdg, richardcavell: do you like rhythbox or banshee better? [13:54] I don't listen to music. Can't say. [13:56] sdg? [13:56] I use Rhythmbox. [13:56] tried banshee? [13:56] richardcavell: start listening to music [13:57] I'd probably use an iPod with OS X [13:58] ipod is a cult [13:58] haha [13:58] as soon as a new one comes out. everybody has to have one [13:59] i honestly dont see why people like them, they are unreliable, proprietary, play once file type, and the menu just sucks [13:59] and osx is very similar [13:59] haha [13:59] better than windows though. [14:00] natewiebe13: But they can play FLAC, right? [14:00] not that i know of [14:00] WTF? [14:00] Then they're shit. [14:00] they play .acc or something [14:00] aac [14:01] haha.. yeah they play acc only [14:01] aac [14:01] and mp3's [14:02] its converts to aac [14:03] a friend of mine has an ipod and it converts everything to aac. it also freezes all of the time. my dad has an iphone, and it always freezes and looses signal [14:03] i dont like apple (N) [14:04] *loses [14:12] crapple [15:04] hmmm fixed the pulseaudio problem [15:05] scizzo-: What problem? [15:05] sdg: I had no sound...the mixer was not showing...and as soon as I tried to access pulseaudio information I got access denied...even though I am in all the pulse groups [15:06] sdg: also the files where playing but no sound... [15:06] what fixed it? [15:07] !bug 207312 [15:07] Launchpad bug 207312 in pulseaudio "PulseAudio Sound Server: Failed to connect: Connection refused (dup-of: 228487)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207312 [15:07] Launchpad bug 228487 in pulseaudio "can only have one audio output program working at a time" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228487 [15:07] information provided in that bug [15:07] to change /etc/default/pulseaudio [15:12] howdy [15:19] so what's the relationship between ALSA and Pulse Audio in Karmic? What's the road map? [15:20] the same as it's alwaysbeen, i w ould think [15:20]