=== asac_ is now known as asac [00:16] asac: hello [00:16] and hello everyone [00:18] asac: regarding nspluginwrapper... upstream added new option to nspluginwrapper executable, which shortform collides with one that we added. what should i do? the colliding options are "nosymlink" and "native" [00:34] Jazzva, does nspluginwrapper still work for you? (since the ia32 update) [00:35] fta: yes, but I'm using 32-bit system anyway. [00:37] some people complained that o3d now segfault in nspluginwrapper [00:37] o3d? [00:37] http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009/04/google-releases-3d-graphics-plugin-for-browsers.ars [00:39] well, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/o3d-daily [00:39] fta: ia32 is only used on 64-bit systems, right? [00:40] I'll give a try to o3d plugin anyway, just to see if I'm getting segfaults :) [00:42] fta: any link where I can test this plugin? [00:42] ok, found them [00:44] it may not work for your h/w [00:47] fta: it probably isn't. and I don't see it in about:plugins :/ [00:48] 32bit? weird, it should be there, even if it doesn't support your video chipset (that's visible during rendering) [00:49] fta: do I need to install o3d-tools, too? [00:56] no [00:56] it's useful when you create o3d scenes [01:04] fta: then it's weird... I'm not seeing o3d in plugins yet... [01:07] Jazzva, on 32bit without nsp? [01:07] fta: on 32bit with nsp [01:08] try without [01:08] well, it should be without by default [01:08] fta: what should be without it by default? [01:08] o3d [01:09] i didn't package it with nsp on 32bit [01:09] sorry, i meant "without what"? :) [01:09] well, i'm using nsp... so you want me to remove nsp [01:09] ? [01:12] fta: I removed nspluginwrapper, reinstalled o3d-plugin, and still nothing. [01:13] nothing in the console? [01:13] i mean shell [01:14] fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/251106/ [01:15] I actually got that error message 6 times, instead of 2. [01:16] hm, no /etc/ld.so.conf.d/o3d-plugin.conf ? [01:20] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libXt.so [libXt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] [01:20] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/o3d-plugin/32/libnpo3dautoplugin.so [libCg.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] [01:20] fta: it's there [01:20] oh, this is different, libCg.so cannot be loaded because of libXt.so [01:21] of course, the .so is in a -dev, bad :( [01:21] well, bad from o3d, not Xt [01:22] hmm [01:32] Jazzva, strange, it works if i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/lib/o3d/ before starting ff [01:33] which means my /etc/ld.so.conf.d/o3d-plugin.conf is not longer working [01:33] I'll give it a try in a minute :) [01:36] -not+no [01:49] Jazzva, hm, just try sudo ldconfig [01:49] i should drop the two non-lib files in /usr/lib/o3d/ [01:52] fta: it works now, but I don't think my hardware is supported [01:53] and I got a segfault with nsp, but I'm not sure if that's because of mentioned reason, or crashy ff3.5 :) [01:55] fta: after trying again with nsp, I will say that segfault was related to crashy ff3.5. [01:56] hm [01:56] nsp is crashing on 64bit for me, but asac said he did something to it so i don't know [01:58] he did upload -0ubuntu6 on sunday. here's the changelog, if that helps http://paste.ubuntu.com/251119/ [03:15] Hmm... so I have accidentally pushed the same version of nspluginwrapper to my PPA, as the one I have prepared for the archive. Will this cause any problems? === ripps_ is now known as ripps [09:13] Jazzva: in general its not a problem. its just in case there is something that needs to be improved [09:13] that you need to raise version again ;) [09:24] Jazzva: did you get what i mean ;) [09:25] e.g. about uncommiting nspluginwrapper and reapplying what i uploaded as ubuntu6? [09:33] hmm ... prism seems to be not compatible with 3.5.* [09:34] fta: is it because we didnt upload latest daily builds for a while? wanna do? [09:48] Jazzva: you could have used debcommit -e ;) for the reply thing ... but ok. it was my fault initially. thanks. [10:32] multisearch gone: http://identi.ca/notice/7918170 ;) [10:32] sladen: ^^ [10:37] bdrung_: http://identi.ca/notice/7918352 [10:37] mozilla-devscript in debian ;) [10:37] (at last) [10:40] asac: i saw it yesterday. short after that pwdhash was accepted. now there are less than 200 packages in NEW (previous over 300). [10:41] asac: how about having a build-xpi target instead of a variable for it (that would make long build commands more readable). [10:41] ? [10:46] bdrung_: we could make BUILD_XPI an optional command and also have a build-xpi:: hook that runs that command if its set [10:46] asac: yes, that's what i would like to see [10:52] bdrung_: i wanted to upload 0.14 now ... but we will have at least 0.15 before feature week. just want to discuss with the debian extension team if they are happy to adapt their policy according to what we did or if there are things we should add [10:53] asac: ok, upload it. we can add this to 0.15 [11:01] asac: keeping 3.0 in repos? [11:20] gnomefreak: for now yes. [11:21] gnomefreak: for final -> most likely not [11:28] asac: ok thanks [11:43] finally M$ makes an app and uses a GPL and i get a call at ~3am telling me its not free. everywhere i read it is [11:44] s/is/is free [11:51] tbird3 seems to have dropped the word wrap from the preferences from 2.0>3.0 [11:53] gnomefreak: which app are you talking about? [11:56] asac: MSE thier new "free" antivirus [11:56] they are planning to includ it by default in Windows7 but have made it for XP already [12:04] * gnomefreak do email than figure out why patch is failing and why rejects dont look like rejects [12:28] mailing list admin fun is done [12:28] thx [12:28] np [12:38] asac: the Vcs-Bzr entry in -devscript's control file needs an update. [12:39] anyone see crashes when bringing http://jasoncalacanis.posterous.com/virgin-america-lax-to-jfk to foreground or opening it in foreground? [12:40] also need someone to try and reproduce bug 314227 [12:40] Launchpad bug 314227 in mozilla-thunderbird "Can't empty trash" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314227 [12:41] bdrung_: indeed. [12:42] the bug for the crash is bug 228806 [12:42] Launchpad bug 228806 in firefox-3.0 "[MASTER] various unrelated crashes for firefox-3.0 and xulrunner-1.9" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228806 [12:44] bdrung_: fixed [12:50] i guess we didnt break existing extensions ? [12:50] * asac hopes not [12:52] asac: why should we break them? [12:52] asac: what the heck is that: Vcs-Bzr: lp:~mozillateam/mozclient/mozclient.dev [12:53] hmm [12:53] did i mess that up again :) [12:53] yes [12:53] but the browser is correct [12:53] indeed [12:53] man i such [12:53] suck [12:54] and you should break the long lines, and apply the new standards-version [12:55] we can do that later. [12:56] ok fixing it now :-P [12:56] because sid chroot takes a while to update anyway [12:57] asac: why didn't you use "lp:mozilla-devscripts"? [12:59] asac: you removed multisearch only from 3.0 not 3.5? [12:59] whats the current standards version [12:59] gnomefreak: it was never in 3.5 [12:59] oh i thought i had it in it [12:59] asac: 3.8.2 [12:59] looking [13:00] asac: i have it in 3.5 [13:00] bdrung_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/251316/ please check [13:01] committed [13:01] asac: instead of tabs i would use spaces to indent [13:01] asac: you could break depends and suggests, too [13:01] nah tabs are good ;) [13:01] they are not that long yet. [13:02] asac: example: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/audacity.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=e16566658f1da3d586546dd67016eb515e53642e;hb=1077cc97081a64774254cd5122c2d13ef8c27078 [13:03] asac: W: mozilla-devscripts: debian-changelog-line-too-long line 35 [13:03] W: mozilla-devscripts: debian-changelog-line-too-long line 38 [13:03] W: mozilla-devscripts: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/med-xpi-pack [13:03] W: mozilla-devscripts: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/med-xpi-unpack [13:03] W: mozilla-devscripts: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/moz-version [13:03] W: mozilla-devscripts: script-not-executable ./usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/lp-locale-export.mk [13:03] W: mozilla-devscripts: script-not-executable ./usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/minefield-packager.mk [13:04] and W: mozilla-devscripts source: debhelper-but-no-misc-depends mozilla-devscripts [13:04] i am not a standards fetish :). if you want we can clean everything up in 0.15 [13:04] only thing is the changelog line which i usually try to not make too long [13:05] uploading as is now. [13:05] asac: ok, i will make lintian happy for 0.15 (except the man pages, someone else should write them) [13:05] thx!! [13:06] yw [13:06] asac: you fail in writing changelogs: "bump standards version to 3.8.3" [13:07] you bumped it correctly to 3.8.2 [13:07] 3.8.3 is not released, yet [13:07] i wrote a changlog entry? thats just bzr commit [13:07] anyway. you are right. i will keep my fingers off from standard version bumps in future [13:07] never saw the benefit of them ;) [13:08] asac: ok, you only messed the bzr commit message. ;) [13:08] i would think one only should bump the standard version if one adjust something that uses new details specified ... but i guess most disagree [13:09] asac: no, you need to update the standards-version, if your package is compatible to it. [13:09] e.g. i look from the other side: if i dont need to change packaging in newest standards that i dont require the latest standard to explain my packaging [13:10] do we support linuxmint? [13:10] bdrung_: honestly i dont know if my packages are compatible - actually because there are lintian warnings i would think its not ;) [13:10] e.g. would lintian spitout an error if we were not compatible? [13:11] asac: probably for some parts, but most lintian warnings do not imply an incompatibility to the standard-version. [13:12] asac: lintian checks are for packaging mistaces, deprecated thing, etc. [13:12] gnomefreak: do you refer to -devscripts? [13:12] gnomefreak: if folks file bugs that are valid here, then yes. otherwise no [13:13] asac: have a look at http://git.debian.org/?p=dbnpolicy/policy.git;a=blob_plain;f=upgrading-checklist.html;h=f657e279fd9421b06749990a453e8d968388ed6d;hb=2896ed649157a2ff9b1ad2a128acdfb08cc90eb8 [13:13] that still requires me to look up the details ;) [13:13] Tighten some format requirements for changelog files from a should to a must. [13:13] (4.4) [13:15] i will try to take more care in future :-P [13:15] :) [13:17] asac: ok ill leave it than. [13:17] bdrung_: no firefox+linuxmint [13:18] gnomefreak: ok [13:40] what browsers does ubuntu have other than QT that are not xulrunner dependant? [13:43] gui browsers [13:51] asac, feel free to do it, no time [13:54] * gnomefreak finally done with email [13:56] the time i need dchen hes not here :( [13:59] gnomefreak: midori aurora? ... webkit based browsers in general [14:00] oh forgot about midori, never heard of aurora :) and i asked him to test on epiphany-webkit [14:01] it seems once you fixed firefox-3.0 to remove multisearch it got removed from 3.5 as well [14:03] fta: is there any packaging work we would need to do to do 3.0 dailies too? (e.g. so hardy users get a good backport of the way we transition) [14:04] asac, probably nothing, just add it to the bot [14:04] +need to [14:06] fta: ok ... maybe think a bit if there are any reasons not to do that. i dont see any atm [14:06] fta: i think we could just do firefox-3.0 backport not xul 1.9 to not eat even more builders cycles [14:07] not placing it in umd right? [14:07] though it feels safer to do everything [14:07] gnomefreak: adding 3.0 to umd ... thats the idea [14:08] asac: IMHO a bad one. that means people can use and most likely install other versions and not sure we want them to use them? 3.0 has release monthly anyway [14:09] have we tested anything on hardy/intrepid yet? [14:09] makes for a very unstable system for users that dont have a clue [14:10] gnomefreak: you dont understand the problem [14:10] gnomefreak: without changing firefox, running our dailies will make firefox 3 completely disappear [14:10] for them [14:10] people that opt-in to dailies opt-into getting the karmic experience as close as possible [14:10] that also menas that they need the karmic firefox 3 package [14:10] if installing 3.5 at least i just commented on a bug with that [14:11] and eventually they get migrated to firefox 3.5 by default [14:11] the problem is that we dont have a ppa for ffox 3.5 that want a safe backport [14:11] ah i get it now sorry about that. [14:11] no problem [14:12] once we find a place for it and i get SM bullshit worked out i have no problems running builds for 8.04 and 8.10 but first on my list is this profile patch shit [14:12] maybe tomorrow or thursday [14:13] oh and i dont recall # having anything to do with rejects [14:13] gnomefreak: i will upload your bits still asap [14:13] maybe today [14:13] latest tomorrow [14:13] sm + sun [14:14] sorry for the delay again. its an awful busy time atm [14:14] not to mention patching the file that the rejects go to makes it a PITA as well but i will get it this week i hope [14:14] asac: i know [14:14] asac: np :) [14:19] autoconf2.13 would have nothing to do with profile patch right? IIRC SM2* has autoconf enabled in rules [14:26] i dont see rejects here http://paste.ubuntu.com/251366/ the orig patch is http://paste.ubuntu.com/251369/ if you see rejects please let me know. [14:26] unless that is not the whole file but no way to tell that [14:29] asac, when i start ff or chromium, the 1st thing i see is a square at the top left corner of the window [14:32] fta: yes. just for a short time though. feels like a compiz issue [14:32] e.g. zooming in windows [14:32] or something [14:32] i'm not using compiz [14:33] metacity + compositing [14:33] could be related [14:33] does it go away without compositing [14:33] ? [14:36] asac, no [14:37] dont recall what browser it was but i know not ff i saw it im install chromium atm to see if it was that. not using any compositing or compiz [14:37] fta: for me it doesnt feel like a new issue [14:37] but i guess its X or gtk then [14:37] for me, it appeared a few days ago, maybe weeks, but no more [14:38] i'd bet on gtk [14:38] i had to close the one i saw though [14:39] i had 2 pop-up but they left when browser loaded start page [14:39] on chromium [14:39] maybe the new tab tabs? [14:40] fta: i think that is it. now i only saw one and only one new tab tab [14:42] it still loads 2 tabs on start im looking for a way to disable one of them [14:43] fta: is there a way to drop about:linux-splash from opening? [14:44] no, it's hardcoded by upstream [14:44] well crap you cant disable home page either [14:44] hm, you can [14:45] not in options i cant, at least that i can see [14:46] its either going to open new tab+the about:* page or its going to open home page+ about:linux* [14:46] * gnomefreak wants to make sure its the extra tab you are seeing [14:46] s/you/we [14:48] thats not it. i used open tabs last open and it only opened the one tab and still see the square [14:48] imho, it's an early expose event during the window creation, or something like that, not a tab thing [14:49] fta: got that at least i was thinking that but checked because first start up i got 2 squares and 2 new tab tabs than down to 1 and 1 [15:05] asac: i found a bug in -devscripts. [15:05] !info thunderbird [15:05] thunderbird (source: thunderbird): mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.22+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 (karmic), package size 11796 kB, installed size 35272 kB [15:05] !info thunderbird jaunty [15:05] thunderbird (source: thunderbird): mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.22+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 10787 kB, installed size 32420 kB [15:05] asac: take pwdhash and have a look into the install.rdf [15:07] asac: it uses "RDF:RDF" instead of "RDF", "RDF:Description" instead of "Description" and therefore your xml parsing command fail [15:11] so what is the 'correct' version of thunderbird/lightning to be using with the latest ubuntu? [15:12] jaymtee_: 2.0.0.22 [15:12] lighting 0.9 in jaunty + karmic [15:12] is that thunderbird or lightining or a combo? [15:12] hi asac, just checking about uploading bindwood - anything you need from me? (i know you are very busy with the firefox transition, sorry to nag) [15:13] tbird=2.0.0.22 lightning=0.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 [15:13] jaymtee_: ^^^ [15:13] tnks [15:13] jaymtee_: np [15:14] got that tb... now need to get correct lightning I guess [15:14] jaymtee_: repos have it [15:14] jaymtee_: install lightning-extension [15:16] TypeError: Components.classes["@mozilla.org/calendar/calendar;1?type=" + type] has no properties [15:16] i'm still getting this [15:16] just did an apt-get install and it sure looks like it got the right version [15:16] Setting up calendar-google-provider (0.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2) ... [15:19] jaymtee_: when do you get that? [15:21] i removed the existing extensions and apt-get removed, and then apt-gte installed and now it is happy [15:21] must have had older versions installed in thuinderbird [15:22] ok cool. [15:23] ack... google calendar server is unavailable! [15:25] please tell me that google not me. jaymtee_ what are you doing when you get it? [15:25] asac: thanks for the reply :). i had a problem with colliding short options... for example, both --native and --nosymlinks used the short version -n. it was like that even before, so looking from the code -n would always mean --native. [15:26] asac: I changed that to -x for --nosymlinks. i first did change to -s, but then i noticed that in debian patch they added --systemonly, which uses -s too [15:27] gnomefreak: it's a google problem... just frustrating [15:27] oh good. tired of fixing it for now. ubuntu3 will have a bunch of fixes 5-6 bugs fixed [15:27] you want to try? I don't know why it would be site specific.. but you never know [15:28] http://www.google.com/calendar [15:28] looking [15:31] hm this is not good. jaymtee_ when i get a spare minute i will test, i have a conflict here between 1.0 and 0.9 that is my fault though [15:39] twitter is abuzz with goggle calendar failure [15:39] Jazzva: i think we should drop the short options until we get this upstreamed to avoid conflicts etc. [15:40] jaymtee_: good let google screw with it :) im trying something to get around the conflict. i should know better than to play with upstream too much [15:40] ill be back inn a few [15:41] asac: ok, i'll change that, and then see if everything still works correctly [15:42] Jazzva: thanks. you think the current change is upstreamable? [15:44] asac: what change exactly? [15:44] all of them? (nosymlinks, systemonly, NSPLUGIN_DIRS) [15:48] Jazzva: systemonly i guess [15:48] and nosymlinks [15:51] asac: nosymlinks are usable for us and debian. it actually prevents from calling code which installs symlinks on debian systems. but still, it would be good if there's no need to refresh that patch :). and it will improve upstream code for people on debian/ubuntu [15:52] asac: and for systemonly, although i don't see the need to only update the plugins in system dirs, it looks ok [15:53] so we can submit those two and then see if the upstream thinks if they're improving the main tree. [15:54] Jazzva: i think distro needs are valid argument enough as long as it doesnt break upstream tree in some way [15:54] asac: can lp-locale-export.mk and minefield-packager.mk run directly or are they only usefull if they are included somewhere else? [15:55] asac: i think they're ok ... didn't notice any breakage to the code === ripps_ is now known as ripps [16:01] this is gonna be harder than i thought i seems i have to find all bits and remove them. maybe tomorrow. it worked fine until i installed 1.0 [16:03] bdmurray, minefield-packager.mk is alone [16:04] bdmurray, oops, nm [16:04] bdrung_, ^^ [16:04] confusing nicks.. [16:04] :) [16:04] usually, 2 letters + tab are enough ;) [16:05] fta: should i marry and adpot the name? ;) [16:05] s/adpot/adopt/ [16:05] fta: alone = stand alone? [16:05] fta: = keeping shebang? [16:06] gnomefreak [16:06] yep [16:06] damn someone else type my nick please [16:06] gnomefreak, test [16:06] gnomefreak: why? [16:06] * gnomefreak testing sound [16:06] yes it works. thanks :) [16:07] freak :) [16:07] bdrung_: because im a moron and had speakers in wrong sound card again :( [16:07] gnomefreak: and highlighting makes sound? there are programs to test the speaker. [16:08] bdrung_: i know its easier for someone to type nick than to go through all kinds of tests screens ( at least in the hardware tester) [16:08] if there is an easier please please let me know [16:09] gnomefreak: yes, there is: speaker-test [16:09] i used it to test my 5.1 setup === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung [16:09] i get static sounds [16:10] 5.1 never worked for me [16:10] gnomefreak: rtfm for speaker-test [16:11] fta: purging pulseaudio solved my problems. [16:11] lol [16:12] fta: i have to remove pulseaudio on two systems. [16:12] fta: so 50/50 [16:13] Jazzva: cool. do you want to submit them? [16:14] i am subscribed to the list, so i should see them and jump in if they have questions [16:14] fta: what is with lp-locale-export.mk? [16:15] export the lang packs for launchpad at build time [16:15] fta: is it stand alone? [16:15] asac: ok. it's ok if they come from debian? [16:15] asac: i mean, maybe maintainers from debian didn't submit the patches before, because they had some reason... [16:15] which i can't see [16:16] bdrung, always called from a debian/rules [16:16] fta: called or included? [16:16] included [16:16] bdrung: we might want to improve that actually ;) [16:16] why? [16:16] (the lp-locale-export) ... but lest talk about that after alpha4 rush [16:17] Jazzva: those are our patches [16:17] fta: when makefiles are included they do not need a shebang and do not need to be executable. otherwise they need to be executable if they include a shebang [16:17] Jazzva: debian from time to time picks them [16:17] well, lang packs are dark magic for me, it's obscure what does what [16:17] we should also suggest those to them. but if we upstream them they get that automatically [16:17] fta: thats ok. its dark magic to be true ;) [16:17] asac: are you sure? i didn't notice systemonly in our packages before :). [16:18] fta: what it does is that it filters out all the chrome stuff that is locale related [16:18] and creates a en-US.xpi for you with just locale stuff and a locale only chrome.manifest [16:18] bdrung, i know that but it doesn't really matter here, don't be too picky with those details ;) [16:18] asac, i can read your code, i just don't know what lp does with it [16:18] fta: i am currently fixing lintian warnings [16:18] i disagree with lintian complaining about our scripts not being executable [16:18] fta: that's why [16:19] fta: ah ... thats often magic to me too ;) [16:19] asac, i mean, i can't obviously do the same in other packages, lp will just ignore me [16:19] fta: you can do the same in all packages. [16:19] asac: with a shebang it should be executable. [16:19] fta: its just that launchpad refuses the uploads for non-main packages [16:19] so all main packages work [16:19] asac: otherwise the shebang is useless. [16:19] also you can take the produced en-US:xpi and upload it to a launchpad project manually [16:19] so you can translate mozilla stuff there [16:21] bdrung: yeah, one of the details i usually dont care about. But then the longer you do this the more ignorant you get about lintian and I am more than happy if someone fixes the complains ;) [16:22] asac: lintian is a very usefull tool, but it is not 100% perfect. [16:23] asac, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 needs an update [16:23] hi [16:23] how can i backup my thunderbird e-mails? [16:23] ubuntu 8.04 runs [16:25] padrecarlo: save the .thunderbird profile:) im sur eyou can export them as well i never tried though. i know importing from outlook is not possible yet [16:26] where save thunderbird the e-mails? [16:26] padrecarlo: in the dir named .thunderbird [16:27] i guess there is no export [16:27] * gnomefreak saves profile [16:27] and where is the profile? [16:28] or start thunderbird, and anywhere in the menu? [16:31] asac: am i missing some export menu in thunderbird [16:31] padrecarlo: its in your home dir named .thunderbird the . is important you can find it using view hidden files in nautilus [16:32] nautilus? [16:32] gnomefreak: the mails are kept in mailbox format [16:32] there is no way to export them [16:32] you can just copy the folders with the mail out of the profile [16:32] asac: ah profile is only way than [16:33] padrecarlo: are you using ngome or kde? [16:33] gnome even [16:33] gnome [16:33] padrecarlo: go to Places>Home Folder [16:33] yo [16:33] once there click view> view hidden files (something named like that) [16:34] i found profiles.ini [16:34] padrecarlo: sorry its called .mozilla-thunderbird [16:35] yes, i found it [16:35] padrecarlo: there is a randome dir inside like xjasd123.default [16:35] thats where the used profile usually is [16:35] yes [16:35] there are Mail or ImapMail folders [16:35] those contain the mail [16:35] * gnomefreak saves the whole dir. makes my settings magicly come back :) [16:35] yeah [16:35] to be safe backup the full .mozilla-thunderbird ... especially if this is about backing stuff up [16:36] asac: how to request a merge from the command line. [16:36] ? [16:36] so i should save the whole xjad...12 [16:36] .default file? [16:37] * gnomefreak wonders if export isnt something that we should have to make life easier in exporting mails from tbird2 to tbird3 or to evo or something like that. they are looking into adding import from outlook thing [16:37] asac: I think I'll have to use some short option for nosymlinks. Otherwise I get compile-time errors about empty character constant. The other option would be to use some non-printable character code for short option. So, what is better for patch submission and release for the archives? [16:37] thing == lost train of thought [16:37]