[00:34] <ox> hey need help with squid! http://pastebin.com/m7313543d
[00:44] <Bookman> I am slowly shifting the main purpose of one machine from desktop to server and I was wondering how do I start the desktop version into the command line and not x
[01:17] <fef> Bookman: vi /etc/inittab
[01:23] <pmatulis> Bookman: can you be a little clearer on what you want to achieve?
[01:23] <fef> he was pretty clear
[01:27] <Bookman> fef and change the runlevel, right?
[01:27] <fef> to 3
[01:27] <fef> yes
[01:27] <Bookman> fef: Is there something I could just change in my grub?
[01:29] <fef> Bookman: not that i know of
[01:29] <Bookman> fef: Got you.  Also, all the current services I have starting up will not change, correct?  It will just start with out x?
[01:30] <fef> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=959527&postcount=3
[01:30] <fef> should have your solution for you
[01:30] <Bookman> Thanks a ton.
[02:16] <ScottK> fef: No /etc/inittab in any Ubuntu install past Dapper (you'll keep it if you've upgraded).
[02:17] <fef> even.d now
[02:18] <fef> because ubuntu thinks its a great idea to place things in terrible locations
[02:22] <ScottK> No, because we use upstart and not sysv init.
[02:23] <fef> point still stands
[02:25] <StefanM> Hi.
[02:27] <StefanM> I just installed Ubuntu Server and tried to use PPPoE. Ran 'ifconfig up eth0' and 'ifconfig up eth1' (i've got 2 lan cards) then pppoeconf, and followed the instructions.
[02:27] <StefanM> Then I did 'ping google.com' and got 'unknown host'
[02:28] <StefanM> The same connection works fine on my windows box, and one of the plog lines says "ms-chap authentication failed. i don't like you, go 'way"
[02:28] <nick125> Can you ping an IP address (i.e., 4.2.2.2)?
[02:28] <nick125> Hmm..
[02:28] <StefanM> you sure that's a valid address?
[02:28] <nick125> yes, it is
[02:29] <StefanM> I'm gonna have to disconnect so I can try it on the other box, brb. thanks ;)
[02:31] <Statix138> Hey guys!
[02:31] <Statix138> How can I change ubantu so I dont have to put in my password all the time when I am like chaning network settings and stuff?
[02:31] <StexanM> back
[02:31] <StexanM> it didn't work.
[02:32] <StexanM> i got "network is unreachable" at the ping
[02:32] <Statix138> Can I change it so I run as root all the time and I dont need a password?
[02:32] <nick125> Okay. Were you getting a valid IP address from ifconfig?
[02:33] <Statix138> stexanM your default route is prob. missing
[02:33] <StexanM> nick125: didn't check, will now. btw, could it be that my ISP remembers my old MAC address and doesnt let any other PC (with any other MAC) connect?
[02:33] <StexanM> Statix138: Could you explain? what's a default route?
[02:33] <fef> is your etherweb cable plugged in
[02:33] <Statix138> StexanM im not google, look it up
[02:35] <Statix138> On Ubantu where is the recycle bin, I did rm -fr /etc/ and I want to know where the files went?
[02:36] <StexanM> oO
[02:36] <nick125> Statix138: Uh...with rm, there isn't a recycle bin.
[02:36] <fef> are you sure
[02:36] <Statix138> I thought Ubantu was high tech and there is no recycle bin?
[02:37] <Statix138> This Loonix stuff is crazy
[02:38] <nick125> Uhhhhhhhh....
[02:45] <StefanMonov> the linux instructions my ISP provides say I should use something called "rp-pppoe"
[02:45] <StefanMonov> I guess I'll d/l it on my main box and carry it over to the other one on a pendrive
[02:46] <StefanMonov> is it any good, anyway?
[02:52] <Statix138> the people in #ubuntu dontg seem to like me
[02:53] <Statix138> so whats the buntu-buddies
[02:54] <hggdh> Statix138, 'rm' bypasses the trashbin, pretty much as Windows' 'del'
[02:55] <Statix138> alan cox told me it should do that
[02:55] <hggdh> Additionally: this is the *server* channel, not the desktop one ;-)
[02:55] <Statix138> Am I not cool enough for the server channel?
[02:55] <hggdh> you are cool for any channel. It's just that the server normally does not run X
[02:56] <Statix138> I dont run X
[02:56] <Statix138> I kick it old school
[02:56] <Statix138> I run Berlin
[02:56] <Statix138> Its compatible with nothing hence its cool factor
[02:57] <hggdh> also, no matter what alan cox may have said, 'rm' does *not* save files to the trashbin.
[02:57] <Statix138> Well when does ubantu plan on fixing that?
[02:58] <hggdh> Ubuntu, not Ubantu
[02:58] <Statix138> I think Ubantu is better, who do I talk to about changing it
[02:58] <twb> hggdh: there's a way to futz that
[02:58] <twb> hggdh: IIRC it involved adding a .so to the LDPATH that changes the behaviour of unlink(2) or similar
[02:58] <Statix138> Bash Aliases are the work of satan twb so leave that at the door
[02:59] <hggdh> twb, the please tell Statix138 how to, if you do not mind
[02:59] <Statix138> I heard .so files are viruses
[02:59] <Statix138> so I deleted them all off my system
[02:59] <twb> Statix138: plonk
[02:59] <hggdh> Statix138, I am starting to consider you are trolling
[03:00] <nick125> hggdh: ding ding ding, 50,000 points!
[03:00] <hggdh> !ops Statix138
[03:00] <hggdh> ! ops
[03:00] <hggdh> !ops
[03:00] <twb> hggdh: I don't remember the details, because it was 1) obviously not perfect, e.g. statically linked binaries wouldn't see the oevrride; and 2) archive and backups are much better.
[03:00] <Statix138> If you need a recycle bin on the cli maybe you shouldnt be there
[03:01] <hggdh> twb, thatś my understanding. Anyway, the best place to discuss 'rm' is on the coreutils maillist
[03:01] <twb> Heh, you have your IM turned on
[03:01] <Statix138> I also have lsbiancheerldr but thats signed off
[03:01] <twb> Or maybe one of those crazy continental keyboards, with dead keys...
[03:02] <hggdh> oh, I use international, for French and Portuguese
[03:02] <Statix138> A guy I work with came in here asking questions earlier and he said you were mean
[03:02] <nick125> twb: I think making unlink drop stuff into a recycle bin is a bad idea...I mean, what happens when you try to drop /tmp files, etc? Sounds like a recipe for DISASTER.
[03:03] <twb> nick125: I never said it was a good idea
[03:04] <nick125> twb: :)
[03:04] <Statix138> its a terrible idea
[03:04] <hggdh> indeed, you just said there was a way to futz it
[03:04] <Statix138> you could just alias rm to mv
[03:04] <hggdh> Statix138, could you make up your mind? Just a few ago you wanted it
[03:05] <Statix138> im not serious, a guy I work with was asking questions earlier and he said you were mean and just asked me to ask stupid questions
[03:05] <hggdh> oy vey
[03:05] <twb> It is, incidentally, the same technique used by strace
[03:05] <hggdh> thanks Pici
[03:05] <twb> Oh, and fakeroot
[03:06] <Pici> !guidelines > Statix138
[03:10] <fef> hai guys, i hey gays, i have installed shh and it says to disable rootlogin, how do it do it, my ip is 44.285.125.62
[03:11] <hggdh> this is the day, it seems :-( oy vey iz mir
[03:12] <hggdh> Pici, can you please also blast fef? It is clear it's trolling
[03:12] <hggdh> and I am out. Too much.
[03:12] <ubantu_dude> Have a good night
[03:13] <ubantu_dude> fef whats your root password and ill disable it for you
[03:13] <fef> ubantu_dude: it is fef
[03:14] <fef> pici do you hablo espanol
[03:14] <Pici> fef: no, I do not.
[03:14] <fef> so englace only
[03:23] <ghostlines> hi all does anyone know if rtorrent can pre-allocate files?
[03:36] <twb> ghostlines: you mean sparse files?
[03:36] <twb> ghostlines: I believe it does that by default
[03:53] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #411745 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "Online help out of date, but update available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411745
[03:56] <dkulchenko>  How can I use iptables in such a way that any request to http://randomtext.com/ goes to 127.0.0.1:8089 (I would use /etc/hosts, but it does not support routing to a port).
[04:09] <ghostlines> no not sparse files
[04:09] <ghostlines> just allocating the disk space for each torrent so i don't run out of space while adding new torrents
[04:11] <twb> ghostlines: actually rtorrent deliberately does the opposite, so that space is only consumed when you download it... that's sparseness.
[04:11] <twb> ghostlines: so you actually want to DISABLE sparseness -- you could achieve this, I guess, by pointing rtorrent to a filesystem that doesn't implement sparseness, e.g. FAT32.
[04:12] <ghostlines> hmmm that's not an option for me, would be nice if rtorrent had an option to enable or disable this though
[04:12] <ghostlines> but thanks for explaining me how it works
[04:13] <ghostlines> later dude, till next time
[04:16] <twb> Well maybe it does -- you're expected to look for yourself...
[04:45] <LiraNuna> is there some sort of an extension to bind9 to read info from MySQL database?
[04:47] <LiraNuna> http://mysql-bind.sourceforge.net/ this is not enough since it still relies on the zone to be defined in a text file
[04:49] <JanC> LiraNuna: if you want a DBMS-backed DNS server, maybe look at PowerDNS ?
[04:49] <LiraNuna> JanC, I'm concerned since that is in universe
[04:49] <jtimberman> PowerDNS is fantastic.
[04:49] <LiraNuna> what about security patches?
[04:50] <LiraNuna> it's not in security
[04:50] <JanC> LiraNuna: it being in universe means that security has to be handled by the community
[04:50] <LiraNuna> yeah...
[04:52] <LiraNuna> anyone in here is using PowerDNS for production?
[04:53] <jtimberman> LiraNuna: I supported it for a customer a year ago, but that was on RHEL.
[04:54] <JanC> maybe Ubuntu needs some way to make more clear which packages are really supported by some part of the community and thus are safe to use...
[04:55] <LiraNuna> it's not that I don't trust the 'community', hell - I'm a part of it; but I'm not sure of the implications.
[04:55] <jtimberman> I'm considerably more confident in PowerDNS from universe than bind9 anywhere :)
[04:55] <hggdh> what packages are supported, and by whom, is stated on every one of them.
[04:56] <hggdh> if PowerDNS is still maintained upstream, there is a very good chance of a fast response
[04:56] <jtimberman> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/pdns-server or http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/pdns-server
[04:57] <LiraNuna> how will you describe the transition from bind9 (text) to PowerDNS (MySQL)?
[04:57] <JanC> jtimberman: I 'm thinking about the community providing packages to go into the -security repository when there is an issue
[04:58] <JanC> it would be nice if there was a list of applications that have somebody (using and) monitoring it, and thus being supported
[05:00] <JanC> I mean, the cherokee packager is very active, but I can imagine nobody really looks at some less popular packages...
[05:00] <hggdh> I am not sure I follow you. This package is maintained by MOTU, so it is monitored & supported. And we, as users, can also help to monitor for CVEs, etc
[05:01] <LiraNuna> does that mean upstream debian contributed security patches are applied as well?
[05:02] <hggdh> if the package is synced/merged from Debian, yes
[05:02] <hggdh> which, BTW, seems to be the case with PowerDNS
[05:02] <JanC> hggdh: users monitoring CVEs and allerting MOTU certainly helps
[05:03] <LiraNuna> is there some magic voodoo script to convert bind zone files to sql queries?
[05:03] <LiraNuna> if no, I'm sure I could write one using flex and bison
[05:03] <JanC> LiraNuna: I guess searching the PowerDNS site should turn up something
[05:03] <hggdh> JanC, yes indeed. Also, looking at the changelog, Debian seems active
[05:04] <LiraNuna> thank you all for clarification, I guess I don't have much to worry then
[05:04] <JanC> well, PowerDNS is probably popular enough that some of its users are MOTU now  ;)
[05:04] <addisonj> anyone here know of a good guide to set up google mail with postfix?
[05:05] <LiraNuna> addisonj, http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html
[05:05] <JanC> it still would be nice to have a list of packages with e.g. a community contact person
[05:05] <LiraNuna> addisonj, or another one: http://bookmarks.honewatson.com/2008/04/20/postfix-gmail-smtp-relay/
[05:05] <ScottK> One way to tell is if someone is subscribed as bug contact and they are an Ubuntu developer.
[05:05] <JanC> what has google mail to do with postfix?
[05:05] <LiraNuna> addisonj, or an even better one - http://www.marksanborn.net/linux/send-mail-postfix-through-gmails-smtp-on-a-ubuntu-lts-server/
[05:06] <LiraNuna> JanC, SMTP relay through smtp.gmail.com
[05:06] <JanC> oh, using gmail as a relay, yeah
[05:06]  * JanC has his own realy  ;)
[05:06] <JanC> relay
[05:06] <LiraNuna> really
[05:07] <addisonj> well... thank you
[05:07] <addisonj> thats lots of info :P
[05:07] <LiraNuna> addisonj, glad to help
[05:09] <JanC> actually, my setup seems to be similar to Google's (submission port & TLS/SSL)
[05:10] <twb> Well, that's what the submission port is for
[05:13] <JanC> twb: yeah, and I wonder why most ISPs don't use that...  ;-)
[05:14] <twb> My ISP does...
[05:14] <twb> I suggest it's because most ISPs are run by jackasses
[05:15] <ScottK> Also because submission is for submission across the Internet.  It's kind of overkill on the local network, which is where you are to the ISP.
[05:15] <twb> ScottK: erm, not necessarily.
[05:16] <twb> My ISP, at least, allows SMTP/SSL submissions from anywhere on the internet
[05:16] <ScottK> Yes, for that they should use 587
[05:16] <twb> So that when you are e.g. sitting in at a mate's place, you don't need to piss about in your local MTA's config
[05:18] <ScottK> Exactly
[05:31] <LiraNuna> what do you know - there *is* magic script to convert bind zones to SQL queries!
[05:31]  * LiraNuna <3 OSS
[05:37] <addisonj> you know what, i asked the wrong question, i should have said does anyone know how to get postfix to work with google apps? (they handle the mail for my domain) is it still the same process?
[05:38] <addisonj> and only sending, now need to use fetchmail to recieve
[05:45] <addisonj> ah working... just being picked up as spam...
[08:15] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #411794 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.31-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411794
[09:46] <qiyong> hi, where is the virtual user db file for vsftpd?
[09:47] <LiraNuna> qiyong, not that I know of, I was doing extensive research about this and I ended up using proftpd + mysql database
[09:53] <qiyong> LiraNuna: lol
[09:54] <qiyong> LiraNuna: i've figured it out, it's set by pam.d
[09:54] <LiraNuna> qiyong, even per-sub-user config?
[09:54] <qiyong> LiraNuna: now you can move back to vsftpd
[09:54] <qiyong> LiraNuna: no, it's another setting
[09:54] <LiraNuna> no I can't - I give my clients the ability to create sub users
[09:54] <LiraNuna> and it's all stored in a MySQL database
[09:55] <qiyong> so proftpd has this builtin mysql supports ?
[09:55] <qiyong> that's flexiable
[09:55] <LiraNuna> it's not built in, it's in a separate package
[09:55] <LiraNuna> but still
[09:57] <LiraNuna> qiyong, http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-hosting-with-proftpd-and-mysql-ubuntu-8.04
[11:08] <PecisDarbs> hi people, how to turn off regular data checks for software raid volumes?
[11:14] <RoyK> by using a checksumming filesystem?
[11:14] <RoyK> although the only one existing for linux is btrfs, and that's not really stabilized
[11:16] <PecisDarbs> RoyK: already found it, checkarray script
[12:26] <froud> Hi, newbie to LVM here. I've setup and mounted a LV with ext3 and now I want to know how I can go about moving /home / usr and /var to this LV. Anyone available to assist?
[12:28] <_ruben> nothing LVM specific about that .. just treat the LV as yet another (free) partition on your disk
[12:35] <ichat> when i try to install ubuntu-server  on an  asus a7n   athlon xp 2500+    1gb ram  -    hdd  (60gb pata pri -master)    -    and    6x  200gb   ( pata secondairy master/slave  )    2x sata150 (sil 3xxx chip) ...  and a   promise fasttrack tx2  with 2x pata (not setup in raid) )
[12:35] <froud> _ruben: so I can just do something like
[12:35] <froud> $cd /home/
[12:35] <froud> $find . -depth -print0 | cpio --null --sparse -pvd /mnt/newhome
[12:36] <ichat> all seams to install - no errors, - but after reboot -   it seams to either have forgotten to actually install it, - or maybe it f*cked up  - grub
[12:36] <_ruben> ichat: bootloaders combined with a ton of drives and multiple (s)ata controllers can be quite tricky
[12:37] <_ruben> ichat: most likely your bios and ubuntu disagree on your what is your boot device
[12:37] <_ruben> froud: something like that yeah
[12:37] <ichat> is there a way to fix this?
[12:38] <_ruben> ichat: sure, but it tends to involve a fair ammount of trial and error
[12:38] <ichat> i quite manny time changed the hdd boot prio ... but that seemed not to work :S -
[12:39] <_ruben> figure out which drive your bios is trying to boot from, then install grub on that disk .. that tends to be the easiest solution
[12:41] <ichat> it seems that - my pri pata controller becomes scsi-3  as soon as  i eable sata
[12:42] <ichat> would disable  my sata disk - help during install
[12:43] <ichat> (but than i would need to enable them after installin .... and setup the raid - manually?
[12:44] <_ruben> ichat: nope, since after reconnecting, the pata will become scsi3 again
[12:46] <ichat> but than at least i know where grub is,
[12:47] <ichat> or will grub than try to look on the wrong spot for the kernel again?
[12:47] <ichat> it donts really make cleer if this error i see is presented by grub or by my bios
[12:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #411890 in php5 (main) "karmic: configure fails with "cat: confdefs.h: No such file or directory"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411890
[12:51] <stefan____> hello
[12:52] <ichat> hi stefan____
[12:53] <ichat> i rechecked and it looks look a bios mobo error -   so i guess that it looks for lilo/grub in the wrong place.
[13:32] <CopyWriter> hello everybody
[13:32] <CopyWriter> how do i change the ip address in ubuntu server to static\
[13:32] <CopyWriter> i use the scheme 192.168.0.1 for my router and 192.168.1.1 for my geteway
[13:32] <CopyWriter> *gateway
[13:33] <CopyWriter> when i installed the server it automatically got the network settings and configured it at 192.168.1.142
[13:33] <PecisDarbs> CopyWriter: Ubuntu stores network interface settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:34] <PecisDarbs> CopyWriter: see 'man interfaces' for how to configure your server
[13:34] <PecisDarbs> network connection
[13:34] <CopyWriter> thanks PecisDarbs
[13:34] <PecisDarbs> np
[13:35] <_ruben> < CopyWriter> i use the scheme 192.168.0.1 for my router and 192.168.1.1 for my geteway
[13:35] <_ruben> that doesnt make much sense
[13:36] <_ruben> router and gateway are pretty much the same thing
[13:37] <twb> I'm trying to think where they AREN'T
[13:37] <_ruben> twb: i did too for a moment, but gave up :)
[13:37] <CopyWriter> wireless router uses 192.168.0.1 and my internet gateway or adsl model using 192.168.1.1
[13:38] <CopyWriter> found it
[13:38] <twb> CopyWriter: a modem is not a gateway
[13:38] <CopyWriter> i'm a newbie to all of this, but it doesn't stop me from diving into ubuntu server :)
[13:38] <twb> At least, not in conventional contexts
[13:38] <CopyWriter> see i'm learning as i go along
[13:38] <_ruben> why not use the same range for both devices?
[13:39] <CopyWriter> hadn't thought about that
[13:39] <twb> _ruben: I think in a factory default configuration, his ADSL modem will try to NAT and be a DHCP server
[13:39] <CopyWriter> i did think about configuring the router to use the scheme 192.168.1.2
[13:39] <twb> The modem will expect to be plugged into either a single PC, or a hub or switch
[13:40] <CopyWriter> i got 3 routers, should i set them to 192.168.1.2 / .3 and .4
[13:41] <CopyWriter> it covers three departments and about 68,000 square feet
[13:41] <twb> CopyWriter: that depends on your network topology
[13:41] <twb> CopyWriter: so tell us again how you got tapped for a three-department netadm/sysadm role, when you don't know a gateway from a modem? ;-)
[13:42] <CopyWriter> all i know is that one is plugged into the modem and set to router and the other two are set to gateway using an ethernet cable
[13:42] <CopyWriter> i'm the guy that actually owns the office, but i've been fighting the it-department who wants to migrate to using w2k servers again, they just don't work for me
[13:42] <twb> CopyWriter: you say "routers".  what kind of unit are we talking here?
[13:42] <CopyWriter> linksys w200
[13:43] <CopyWriter> i've switched the offices in the treasury department to ubuntu desktop two weeks ago, there were no complaints
[13:43] <CopyWriter> everything just works smoothly
[13:44] <CopyWriter> so i'm thinking that ubuntu server will handle the network more efficiently
[13:44] <twb> CopyWriter: you work for the government?
[13:44] <CopyWriter> no, i'm a business owner / entrepreneur
[13:45] <twb> Oh, you mean treasury within your company
[13:45] <CopyWriter> few retail chains, commercial construction
[13:45] <CopyWriter> auto garages
[13:45] <CopyWriter> couple small businesses here and there
[13:45] <CopyWriter> so i'm smart to know when windows can't deliver
[13:45] <twb> I'm not having any luck looking for "linksys w200".
[13:45] <CopyWriter> let me get you the exact model
[13:45] <twb> Thanks
[13:46] <CopyWriter> linksys wrv 200
[13:46] <CopyWriter> sorry about that
[13:46] <twb> No problem.
[13:47] <CopyWriter> the way the guys got this thing set up is using 3 servers one windows 2000 and the other 2 2003
[13:47] <CopyWriter> it's roughly 36 desktops
[13:47] <CopyWriter> 75 laptops
[13:47] <twb> So I'm assuming you've basically got one line to the internet, and NAT everything behind it to appear as one IP?
[13:48] <CopyWriter> yes, it shares one internet connection
[13:48] <CopyWriter> a 15 mpbs down 2 mbps up
[13:48] <twb> The important issue is whether you appears as one IP (NAT) or have public IPs for each machine
[13:48] <CopyWriter> yes everything appears as one ip
[13:48] <twb> Good-o.
[13:49] <CopyWriter> over the weekend i played around with installing ebox platform
[13:49] <CopyWriter> but i'm going with the ubuntu lts 8.04 as recommended
[13:49] <twb> Do you treat different departments differently, in network terms?
[13:49] <twb> If not, there's no reason to use different networks for each
[13:50] <CopyWriter> no everything is treated as an entire organization
[13:50] <CopyWriter> the old servers use the domain south_carib.org
[13:50] <twb> So essentially what you want to do, then, is have your routers behave as switches
[13:51] <CopyWriter> if you say so, i'm here to follow your advice :)
[13:51] <twb> Basically the difference is a router deals with more than one network
[13:53] <twb> The only router is the machine doing the NATting
[13:54] <twb> Which will be either your ADSL modem, one of your W200's, or a dedicated ubuntu box.
[13:54] <twb> After that, everything is just doing switching on a single network, e.g. 192.168.0/24 or 192.168/16
[13:55] <CopyWriter> man i'd love to have the ubuntu box doing the routing
[13:55] <CopyWriter> that's what i want
[13:55] <twb> If your modem is using PPPoA for authentication (to the ISP), then it's doing the routing.
[13:56] <CopyWriter> no it's not using PPPoA
[13:56] <twb> What I would normally do is have the ADSL modem to PPPoE, then have it's ethernet cable going into an Ubuntu box with two NICs.
[13:56] <twb> If the linksys router is a powerful/flexible one and you prefer configuring it to configuring networking on an Ubuntu box, you could use that as the router instead.
[13:57] <twb> That's what the big players will do, because they buy powerful, expensive Cisco kit and a guy who knows IOS to drive it.
[13:57] <twb> But if you're dealing with an crappy inflexible 4-port router, a dedicated Ubuntu box will be MUCH better
[14:00] <ichat> twb: - most routers let you do some kind of static dhcp, - witch i use most of the time.. problem with that is, that you'd have to need 2 switches   (the first being your modem router and the seccond being your lan switch
[14:01] <ichat> (if you want youer server to also be a firewall that is)
[14:01] <twb> ichat: you can do fixed (static) DHCP allocation on an Ubuntu box, too
[14:02] <twb> What I'm advocating is basically putting the Ubuntu server in charge of everything, and making the other networking gear as "dumb" as possible
[14:02] <ichat> twb true but not all ' cheap' routers have a function to disbale dhcp alltogheter
[14:02] <CopyWriter> there's the option to disable dhcp on the routers
[14:02] <twb> ichat: he's using CAD80 routers, so I expect them to support that much
[14:03] <CopyWriter> i changed the entire office over to wireless a few months ago, would that be a problem
[14:03] <twb> So the Ubuntu box will sit between the ADSL modem and the router(s)/switch(es), and be in charge of PPPoE, DHCP and firewalling
[14:03] <CopyWriter> everything is wireless
[14:03] <twb> CopyWriter: no, because you just instruct the routers to bridge the wireless part onto the ethernet part
[14:04] <twb> CopyWriter: the Ubuntu server will just see, at the IP level, DHCPREQUESTs originating from ethernet MACs.
[14:04] <CopyWriter> aahhh, don't know how to do that but it seems easy
[14:04] <twb> CopyWriter: however if you want to supplement/replace WPA2 with ipsec, you will need to teach your ubuntu box or routers to be endpoints for that.
[14:06] <twb> I don't really understand the implications of making the routers the ipsec endpoints... probably that would be a pain in the arse.
[14:06] <CopyWriter> and what if i migrate all the desktops to ubuntu and laptops would it be easier
[14:06] <CopyWriter> i want to really eliminate windows entirely
[14:07] <twb> The the IP level, windows boxes are basically identical to BSD boxes
[14:07] <CopyWriter> ah
[14:07] <twb> Where you will win on dropping Windows support is simpler centralized authentication and filesharing services
[14:08] <twb> Of course, you could also simplify by having Windows on ALL the desktops.
[14:08] <twb> You should use whatever's the best tool for the job -- which may not be Ubuntu
[14:09] <CopyWriter> i'm having too much downtime with virus infections etc
[14:09] <CopyWriter> using windows boxes
[14:09] <CopyWriter> staff aren't following policies
[14:09] <CopyWriter> basically someone sneezes and boom the computers are infected :)
[14:10] <twb> Ah, well.  That will happen.
[14:11] <CopyWriter> lol,
[14:11] <CopyWriter> it's been happening for the last 2 years
[14:12] <CopyWriter> and right now i've spent more than 60k since november to now trying to make it work
[14:12] <CopyWriter> so i'm not going with the recommendation to "migrate" to windows 2008
[14:12] <CopyWriter> well not after all the things i've been reading about open source software
[14:13] <CopyWriter> and the power of linux
[14:13] <twb> CopyWriter: if you go with linux and fuck up, you'll be just as bankrupt.
[14:14] <twb> I would definitely recommend that you find some local contractors you can tap for the hard parts, since you have a day job to do as well as all the IT crap
[14:14] <roxy_> hi there...im having a serious problem, i restart my server and i can not see now the lvm i got the error   /dev/mapper/Error|lvm2|internal|pv1: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/o                   utput error
[14:15] <roxy_> the raid proc/mstab shows ok
[14:15] <CopyWriter> i hear you
[14:15] <roxy_> my question can i recover it or i lost all the information ?
[14:15] <CopyWriter> still doesn't stop me from trying tho
[14:15] <CopyWriter> :)
[14:15] <twb> roxy_: you mean /proc/mdstat?
[14:15] <CopyWriter> creative kinda guy that i am
[14:15] <roxy_> yes
[14:16] <roxy_> if i lost all the information i will die
[14:16] <twb> roxy_: I dunno what happened there
[14:16] <roxy_> i can not mount the original driver that was setted
[14:17] <twb> roxy_: how far through boot do you get?
[14:17] <twb> roxy_: are you sitting in the ramdisk at the moment?
[14:17] <roxy_> i mean just mount some disk as root and others but not all
[14:18] <roxy_> where i have the most of the information
[14:18] <roxy_> i got this error  Physical Volume /dev/dm-16 is too large for underlying device
[14:19] <twb> Oh dear.
[14:19] <twb> Perhaps you have somehow told LVM to use more disk than you actually have?
[14:23] <roxy_> i am using evms
[14:23] <roxy_> do you know?
[14:25] <twb> Sorry, I'm not familiar with that
[14:28] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #411943 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.list] failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 255" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411943
[15:32] <macrocosm144> is there anyway to test why mail might not be sent from cli?  Im running 8.10 with php5 and Exim4 ... some of my drupal sites are sending mail and logs to the exim log while others are not .. .and with no errors.  Someone suggested it may be cli php so I ran a php script from the command line and it did send a mail ... Im trying all chanells cause im totally stumped! anyone have any ideas?
[15:35] <Reepicheep> I would look at the drupal site configurations.. I've never used drupal but I imagine there is email settings somewhere
[15:36] <Reepicheep> you usually either set it to use a local binary like /usr/bin/sendmail or set it to use a SMTP server
[15:36] <Reepicheep> compare the sites that work to the sites that don't work
[15:36] <Reepicheep> also make sure the sending email address exists
[15:37] <Reepicheep> it sounds like exim is working .. if it works sometimes.. you can test exim's routing of email with:
[15:37] <macrocosm144> yeah .. the thing is all settings look proper .. im going to try some debuggin bits someone just gave me .. I forgot about the devel module .. its good for just these situations
[15:37] <Reepicheep> exim -bt username@domain.name
[15:37] <macrocosm144> hmm -bt not seen that one before
[15:38] <Reepicheep> there are a lot of exim tests you can do.. -bt is just the standard routing test
[15:39] <macrocosm144> lol .. just getting started with it .. ive only tested sending mails and a few other bits ... took me a while to settle on exim but I am liking its simplicity.  I only use a smarthost though so its mostly neutered
[15:39] <Reepicheep> I'm a big fan of exim
[15:39] <macrocosm144> what should I be expecting from the result of your code above?
[15:40] <macrocosm144> yeah its a lot simpler than postfix .. and surely more secure than sendmail
[15:40] <Reepicheep> the -bt test just will show you if exim is able to route to that email address and where it would send it
[15:42] <Reepicheep> when I setup web apps I like to use an SMTP server when ever possible .. it just seems to simplify it.  Your SMTP server can always be localhost
[15:42] <macrocosm144> well im getting a undeliverable: Unrouteable address even though I know the address is good
[15:43] <macrocosm144> hmmm and I used my main address for the server ...  I wonder if this may be related?
[15:45] <Reepicheep> try adding a -D for debugging
[15:46] <Reepicheep> sorry it's -d
[15:46] <Reepicheep> so the command will look like:
[15:46] <Reepicheep> exim -d -bt user@domain.name
[15:47] <macrocosm144> wow thats a lot of output!
[15:47] <macrocosm144> whats the command to condense it again?
[15:47] <macrocosm144> I can never remember
[15:48] <Reepicheep> maybe pipe it to less
[15:48] <Reepicheep> command | less
[15:49] <macrocosm144> cool .. im going to read into this thing a bit and see If I can find something awry
[15:49] <macrocosm144> thanks a million for being the voice in the dark!
[15:49] <Reepicheep> it should match some router somewhere.. then it will get passed to that routers transport for delivery
[15:50] <Reepicheep> and since you said that you have a smarthost.. the smart host router probably should be the one that it matches
[16:09] <ivoks> soren: croatia
[16:10] <soren> ivoks: Nice.
[16:10] <ivoks> soren: i'll upload couple of pics on facebook later, so you can check it out
[16:12] <macrocosm144> hmm ... the email im testing is a local domain .. is that a prob?
[16:19] <smoser> soren, or anyone, where is 'standard^' defined ?
[16:19] <smoser> as in 'apt-get install "standard^"'
[16:20] <soren> It installs the task called "standard".
[16:21] <soren> grep-available -F Task -s Package standard
[16:21] <soren> Those packages.
[16:21] <soren> They're defined by seeds. Has anyone mentioned seeds to you before?
[16:22] <soren> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds
[16:24] <macrocosm144> Reepicheep- it seems all of routers were skipped, at least thats what it looks like in the output here
[16:27] <macrocosm144> so maybe this is an exim thing afterall ... hmmm this is going to take some more digging
[16:28] <Reepicheep> macrocosm144: there usually is a router called "dnslookup" that catches all outgoing messages.. does that one match? or one like it that is used for the smarthost
[16:29] <macrocosm144> the only smarthost router I see is --------> hub_user_smarthost router
[16:29] <nick125> Hmm. Can I add an IP alias to a bridge?
[16:30] <macrocosm144> and I dont see a dnslookup
[16:31] <macrocosm144> never mind that
[16:31] <macrocosm144> smarthost router skipped: domains mismatch
[16:31] <macrocosm144> there is another smarthost router
[16:31] <Reepicheep> there should be a rule to match all none local domains
[16:31] <Reepicheep> domains = ! +local_domains
[16:32] <Reepicheep> or something like that
[16:33] <Reepicheep> nick125: just give it the ip address in the interface file.. just as you would any other interface
[16:34] <macrocosm144> well it is a localdomain I am testing... does that still apply?
[16:34] <macrocosm144> its my fqdn too
[16:34] <Reepicheep> nick125: on an alias not an address.. do you mean renaming it or a secondary interface?
[16:35] <nick125> Reepicheep: Right now, I have two IPs on eth0/eth0:0, but I want to use a bridge for OpenVPN.
[16:35] <Reepicheep> macrocosm144: there should be a different router for local domains
[16:35] <macrocosm144>  real_local router ?
[16:36] <Reepicheep> usually called localuser
[16:36] <Reepicheep> it should be one of the last routers
[16:36] <macrocosm144> local_user router skipped: josh is not a local user
[16:36] <macrocosm144> yeah its there but skipped
[16:37] <Reepicheep> does the josh user exist on the system? or does it pull usernames from a directory or database?
[16:38] <Reepicheep> nick125: what is your bridge interface? br0?
[16:38] <macrocosm144> well .. this may be the problem .. its an email address on my fqdn but I use google apps for all mail handling but local outgoing
[16:39] <Reepicheep> macrocosm144: so is your mail stored locally or on google apps?
[16:39] <macrocosm144> on google apps
[16:39] <Reepicheep> ok.. you probably should set up a special router for that domain .. and set it's transport to send it to the google servers
[16:40] <Reepicheep> the router will have a rule to match that domain: domain = domain.name
[16:40] <Reepicheep> or even a list of domain names if you have multiple domains
[16:40] <macrocosm144> hmm and that would fix outgoing email from internal applications in my webserver?
[16:41] <Reepicheep> if it is using the localhost to send mail and the destination is to an account at that domain.. that is probably what you need to do
[16:42] <macrocosm144> well the destinations will vary wildly since apps will be sending out to many different places.
[16:43] <Reepicheep> exim -bt email@address needs to show that it is routing the message to the correct user before that server or apps using that server will be able to send messages to users at that domain
[16:44] <macrocosm144> ok so it doesnt matter what the end recievers email address is only the one thats responsible for routing mail away from the server?
[16:45] <Reepicheep> well exim actually cares about both.. depending on how it is configured
[16:45] <Reepicheep> it always needs to know where to route the destination address
[16:46] <macrocosm144> I set it up pretty standard with a tutorial for using it as a smarthost only
[16:46] <Reepicheep> it may need to verify the sending address if it is configured to do so for the senders domain
[16:47] <macrocosm144> so u think I may be failing verification of the senders address?
[16:48] <Reepicheep> no.. I think you current issues in the server doesn't match a router for the destination address.. that needs to work before it even thinks about verifying the sender address
[16:48] <macrocosm144> hhhhmmm .. that makes sense ... since my contact forms work .. they have a unique email address used for the sender.  But my internal scripts are using my main address which is failing these routers
[16:49] <Reepicheep> it will let you know in the logs if sender verification fails.. at least I believe it does with the default exim config
[16:51] <macrocosm144> been tailing the exim4 mainlog
[16:51] <macrocosm144> did get a
[16:51] <macrocosm144> 2009-08-11 08:10:04 1MaqB2-0005ga-Ej ** josh@myserver.com: Unrouteable address
[16:52] <Reepicheep> yeah.. I think you need to get routing working first within exim
[16:52] <macrocosm144> but its not repeated again in my other testing
[16:53] <macrocosm144> I could have sworn that I did set up a router like you mentioned
[16:54] <Reepicheep> when you change the exim.conf file did you start with the default then make a few minor changes to it or did you replace it with a different exim.conf file?
[16:54] <macrocosm144> and its why some mail is working ... runing tests do send mail
[16:54] <macrocosm144> I dont remember .. let me take a look at it real quick
[16:55] <Reepicheep> try exim -bt user@domain.name to different email addresses maybe some of them are routing and some others are not depending on the domains
[16:56] <Maleko> hmm how do find the fastest repo
[16:56] <Maleko> hmm how do you find the fastest repo
[16:57] <macrocosm144> using an ousite email works .. I tried my @gmail address
[16:58] <macrocosm144> where is that conf file? lol
[16:59] <macrocosm144> and other local domains work too
[16:59] <macrocosm144> just not the address which is also my fqdn
[16:59] <macrocosm144> doesnt work
[17:02] <Reepicheep> you probably need to setup a router that matches that domain.. and comment out the local delivery router
[17:03] <Reepicheep> the issue is that exim thinks that domain is local .. so it checks for a local user and mailbox to deliver the message into
[17:04] <macrocosm144> That makes perfect sense
[17:04] <macrocosm144> ahhh ... thank you so much for your insite!
[17:04] <macrocosm144> insight
[17:04] <macrocosm144> lol
[17:06] <macrocosm144> Ok ... comment out the local delivery router.  And create a router that matches the domain .. im not sure how but im sure the man fille might have something on setting that up.
[17:06] <macrocosm144> I cant find the conf file though ... I think maybe it was split up there are ton of folders in there but no conf file
[17:09] <macrocosm144> yeah .. thats got to be it ... its split up ... /etc/exim4/conf.d/ is the right dir ?
[17:13] <Reepicheep> it's usually /etc/exim/exim.conf
[17:14] <Reepicheep> and exim.org has very detailed documentation.  It would take weeks to get through all of it ;)
[17:15] <macrocosm144> hmm ..dont have that .. just /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template
[17:15] <macrocosm144> no exim4.conf
[17:15] <Reepicheep> macrocosm144: what release of ubuntu are you running? and what version of exim?
[17:16] <macrocosm144> 8.10 server
[17:16] <macrocosm144> and I think the latest exim
[17:17] <macrocosm144> just installed it a few weeks ago
[17:19] <macrocosm144> installed with apt-get
[17:20] <Reepicheep> hmm.. the only ubuntu box that I have exim on is a 9.04 and /etc/exim is linked to /etc/exim4 and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf is linked to /etc/exim4/exim.conf
[17:20] <Reepicheep> so the main file should be /etc/exim4/exim4.conf
[17:22] <Reepicheep> if the config is distributed to other files you should see some .include lines in the exim4.conf file
[17:22] <macrocosm144> ok I think I have the exim4.conf.template file ... and then the actual conf is split into smaller files in the etc/exim4/conf.d sub dir
[17:31] <orogor> hi here
[17:31] <orogor> i gota weirdo issue
[17:32] <orogor> when i login into gnome i lose my network and have to reconfigure the interfaces
[18:06] <metalfan__> hi
[18:07] <metalfan__> got an older epia m1200, it doesnt support pae.  can i just compile a kernel without pae on another system and still use ubuntu?
[18:07] <_ruben> install the -386 kernel
[18:07] <metalfan__> thx
[18:08] <metalfan__> the weird thing is that the installation worked, its booting. but it tends to crash often
[18:08] <_ruben> metalfan__: sounds familiar .. older versions of ubuntu even refused to boot on epia boards .. recent ones work but are highly unstable
[18:09] <metalfan__> ok thx
[18:09] <_ruben> installing the -386 kernel worked for both cases for me :)
[18:09] <metalfan__> its just intended as a backup i case the openwrt upgrade breaks the router
[18:10] <_ruben> which i could find a decently spec'ed, affordable, openwrt'able device :p
[18:11] <_ruben> s/which/wish/
[18:11] <metalfan__> its all overpriced
[18:13] <_ruben> yeah
[18:14] <metalfan__> Buffalo WHR-G54S 125        <- got this one, cant find the current price
[18:14] <metalfan__> maybe its outdated already
[18:14] <metalfan__> its currently running kamikaze, the upgrade should get me a 2.6 kernel with ifb
[18:14] <_ruben> then again, my current modem/router is tweakable too .. but the little info that's avail is mostly german .. (fritzbox 7270)
[18:15] <_ruben> updated my wrt54g to 2.6 kernel the other day as well .. left me with useless wifi .. so its currently a paperweight :)
[18:16] <metalfan__> yeah, openwrt is "experimental"
[18:16] <metalfan__> also the documentation needs a rewrite
[18:17] <ichat> _ruben:  -  BRCM chip ? ;)
[18:20] <_ruben> ichat: could very well be .. dont recall :)
[18:24] <ichat> its why im still running the  openwrt 2.4 kernel ;)
[18:25] <_ruben> i just hope freetz (modded fritzbox firmware) will mature soon
[18:32] <ichat> a modded firmware for the fritzbox -- :O
[18:33] <ichat> i hope will still support the telephone (pbx) stuf...
[18:34] <ichat> btw im going to disable my 2 sata drives... and check if  that will help solve the  bootloader prob for me
[18:35] <ichat> (after all -  better to have just 4 drives workin than none at all)
[18:37] <metalfan__> ichat, https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=86418        iirc this one uses the brcm chip to, its supposed to work
[18:41] <ScottK> mathiaz: It might be good is a serverish MOTU could look at Bug #298085.  From reading the bug it seems easy enough.  I just don't have time to consider it.
[18:41] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 298085 in courier "maildrop is compiled without authlib extension !" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298085
[18:46] <ichat> really hope it will boot in the end - im frickin sick of the .....   ..... .....
[19:13] <ichat> WHOOOOOOOTTT !!!!!!
[19:24] <ichat> so next deel is setting up samba the right way :S :S :S o oowwhhh :$
[19:25] <XiXaQ> I'm having a few problems when I clone an ubuntu server kvm instance. I don't get any eth interfaces in the clone. I seem to remember that this has something to do with the uuid of the new machine, or something, but I don't remember how to fix it. :)
[19:25] <XiXaQ> anyone?
[19:26] <erimar77> you need to change the mac addresses in the server xml file
[19:28] <sommer> XiXaQ: also if the original was eth0 the clone may be eth1... as an example.
[20:11] <maswan> Oh, so much fun installing remotely on a server with just netboot working and a "too new" nic...
[20:15]  * jmedina remember gentoo remote instalations
[20:16] <maswan> oh, well, tomorrow will be for remembering how to add extra modules to an initrd or something...
[21:00] <metalfan__> just booted from the ubuntu-server cd and choosed "rescue a broken system" - after some kernel messages fly by im presented with a "out of range" error from my monitor?
[21:00] <metalfan__> how do i get a bash shell?
[21:02] <jmedina> change to a TTY
[21:02] <metalfan__> trid alt+1 ...2,3,4
[21:02] <metalfan__> nothing
[21:02] <jmedina> out of range, that sounds like a graphical mode
[21:02] <metalfan__> alt+f1 i meant
[21:03] <metalfan__> jmedina, yes...that was my understanding too
[21:03] <jmedina> probably you have a kenel param to disable hardware probing or disable X?
[21:03] <jmedina> what ubuntu server?
[21:03] <Bookman> Hi there, is webmin not in the repos?  And if not, is there an equivalent?
[21:03]  * jmedina always use systemrescuecd...
[21:04] <jmedina> !webmin
[21:04] <metalfan__> jmedina, 9.04
[21:04] <Bookman> jmedina: Thanks
[21:05] <metalfan__> jmedina, iirc there was some way to add kerel params.....what kernel params am i looking for to disable xorg?
[21:05] <jmedina> metalfan__: not sure, never used 9.04 rescue cd
[21:07] <jmedina> metalfan__: mm did you try ctrl+alt+F1?? because now you are in x mode
[21:07] <metalfan__> yes
[21:09] <_ruben> the -server cd doesnt do X, not even in rescue mode
[21:09] <_ruben> framebuffer terminal is as graphical as it gets
[21:10] <_ruben> which one should be able to override using the vga= kernel param
[21:23] <metalfan__> jmedina, apparantly the framebuffer resolution was not supported by the onboard hardware. vga=771 helpeg
[21:23] <metalfan__> thx
[21:24] <metalfan__> since i only want to reinstall grub i choosed "...repeat a step from the installer.." (dont know the exact description, system is in the basement) now its detecting its discs....lets see how well that goes
[21:24] <metalfan__> will report back later
[21:57] <j0nr> I have just renewed my ssl certificate for dovecot mail server... when trying to connect from remote location using IMAP, I get the message that the certificate is not valid YET... what do I need to do to make it valid and allow me to stoe it permenantly for mutt
[22:09] <orogor> hi here ,anyone would know why when i login into gnome i lose my network and have to reconfigure the interfaces ?
[22:09] <ScottK> orogor: Consult /topic
[22:12] <orogor> ScottK, i dont get which one you want me to read
[22:14] <jtimberman> orogor: i imagine because 'gnome' is not considered a server software package.
[22:15] <orogor> it could very depends on what you do for exemple terminal server stuff, but  admit this isn t used as a terminals erver thingy
[22:36] <sgrover_> help?  *buntu 9.04 with Apache2, php5, etc.  Trying to establish a PDO connection to an MS SQL server.  Getting "The mssql driver is not currently installed".  I installed php5-sybase and restarted, no difference.
[22:37] <sgrover_> Google hits seem rather outdated, or suggest what I've already done....
[22:57] <ScottK> orogor: jtimberman had it right.  Gnome stuff is off topic here.
[22:59] <jtimberman> ScottK: oh hello!  I am working with btm on getting chef and its dependencies into Karmic. he mentioned your name the other day when he and i were chatting.
[23:20] <sgrover_> bump?  Any tips on setting up MSSql access via PHP5 on a 9.04 box?  php5-sybase is NOT working (via PDO).
[23:39] <sgrover_> k.  It seems that PDO *can* access the mssql server IF the "pdoType" is set to "dblib"...