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| seele | Riddell in bed at 23:30? wow.. so early | 01:42 |
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| ryanakca | Not sure if it's needed, but could someone re ack bug 410400 please? | 02:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410400 in ubuntu "Sync frescobaldi 0.7.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410400 | 02:29 |
| === ryanakca is now known as Guest66699 | ||
| === Guest66699 is now known as ryanakca | ||
| vorian | what the heck is going on with the network manager? | 03:11 |
| jjesse | i thought i read some placei twas getting re-written? | 03:11 |
| vorian | how does one connect with knetworkmanager? | 03:12 |
| jjesse | no idea, i can't get my mini 9 to detect any wireless | 03:12 |
| vorian | It seems to be working correctly, but it doesn't connect to my network | 03:12 |
| vorian | aaarg | 03:12 |
| * jjesse hates it | 03:12 | |
| vorian | i see why | 03:14 |
| * ScottK suggests ifup and ifdown for now. maco is an expert and can give advice. | 03:27 | |
| ScottK | It would be really handy if someone would make quassel apport aware. | 03:50 |
| lex79 | I fixed this launchpad bug 412136 in bzr | 04:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 412136 in konq-plugins "package konq-plugins-l10n (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konq-plugins/index.cache.bz2', which is also in package konq-plugins" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412136 | 04:03 |
| lex79 | if someone wants upload... | 04:04 |
| * ScottK looks | 04:05 | |
| ScottK | lex79: Shouldn't it be Vcs-bzr? | 04:09 |
| lex79 | yes :) | 04:09 |
| * ScottK will fix it | 04:10 | |
| lex79 | ScottK: thanks :) | 04:10 |
| ScottK | It gets rid of the evil ~ppax ending too. | 04:12 |
| ScottK | As an added bonus | 04:12 |
| lex79 | eheheh | 04:12 |
| ScottK | lex79: I'm asking about uploading it due to the Alpha 4 freeze. | 05:16 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are Kubuntu | Main archive frozen for Alpha 4 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts | ||
| lex79 | you can upload it after freeze for me | 05:21 |
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| === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz | ||
| jussi01 | Ive a grumble bug with arora, probably can be fixed by sorting the .desktop file, but yeah. when you have an aurora window open and select arora from kmenu, then a new one doesnt open, just flashes the one you have open. Ill pop it in LP soon, just actually wanted to grumble... :D | 07:48 |
| jussi01 | wow, loving the trafic here today :D | 08:45 |
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| davmor2 | Riddell: what's going on with the kubuntu dvd's? | 09:28 |
| Riddell | 555555555 | 10:14 |
| Riddell | davmor2: I don't know, do we care about DVDs yet? | 10:15 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I don't they take to long to test but others might have a word with slangasek | 10:16 |
| Riddell | they're oversized currently | 10:17 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: isn't everything oversized at the minute? | 10:18 |
| Riddell | no, you must be mistaking us with that bloated ubuntu desktop variant | 10:19 |
| * Riddell ducks | 10:19 | |
| hunger | Is there anyone working on unbreaking knetworkmanager in karmic again? | 10:49 |
| Riddell | asac and awe are | 10:51 |
| asac | hunger: what are your symptoms? | 10:51 |
| hunger | asac: knetworkmanager not being able to connect to anything (neither wlan nor wired). | 10:52 |
| asac | yes | 10:52 |
| asac | i debugged this thing the whole night just to find myself digging deep in kde service infrastrcuture | 10:52 |
| asac | and finding out that there are a bunch of packages not installed that are needed | 10:52 |
| hunger | asac: The only thing I see is this in syslog: | 10:52 |
| asac | so i basically wasted all night hunting down issues that are not the real issue | 10:52 |
| hunger | user_connection_get_settings_cb(): user_connection_get_settings_cb: Invalid connection: 'NMSettingConnection' / 'uuid' invalid: 1 | 10:52 |
| asac | hunger: where do you see that? | 10:53 |
| hunger | /var/log/syslog | 10:53 |
| hunger | Whenever I try to do anything with knetworkmanager. | 10:53 |
| asac | Riddell: you need at least to depend on workspace-data-bin and etc | 10:53 |
| asac | err kdebase-workspace-bin | 10:53 |
| asac | Riddell: that one broke my neck yesterday | 10:54 |
| asac | at least i understand the complete kde stuff now i think | 10:54 |
| ghostcube | rofl | 10:54 |
| ghostcube | at least anything | 10:54 |
| hunger | asac: That is installed here. | 10:55 |
| asac | yes. because you have the full kubuntu stuff installed | 10:55 |
| asac | but i am a gnome guy and was supposed to work on this | 10:55 |
| hunger | I don't have kdebase-workspace and kdespace-workspace-wallpapers installed, but every other workspace deb (excluding -dbg and -dev). | 10:56 |
| asac | and it took me quite some time to figure out that the reason that everything is broken is that solid doesnt find the NM backend at all | 10:56 |
| asac | which happens because this workspace crap isnt installed | 10:56 |
| asac | hunger: i dont think your problem are depends. you see the problem i was supposed to work on last night | 10:57 |
| hunger | asac: My impression is that NM has changed interfaces again... | 10:57 |
| asac | hunger: the dbus interfaces didnt change at all | 10:57 |
| asac | but | 10:57 |
| asac | i would like to add some debugging to the error you are seeing | 10:57 |
| asac | let me check | 10:57 |
| hunger | They always seem to do that whenever KDE starts to work with it. | 10:57 |
| asac | hunger: well i am more NM than kde and after this nightmare tonight i know that the reason is kde trying to make a rocket science out of it | 10:58 |
| asac | etc. | 10:58 |
| hunger | asac: There are D-Bus changes in the move from hal to libgudev. I assume ubuntu has those. | 10:58 |
| asac | they add an abstraction to the kdeabase system .... which naturally means they will not be able to fix things until NM changes again; ) | 10:58 |
| asac | hunger: the dbus api didnt change for anything related to wired/wireless | 10:58 |
| hunger | asac: Well, gnome is linux (or at least unix) only, kde is not. They need that. | 10:59 |
| asac | hunger: can you please run dbus-monitor-system 2>&1 | tee /tmp/dbus.log.txt | 10:59 |
| asac | hunger: they dont need that i can assure you ;) | 10:59 |
| * Riddell wonders if it would be easier to just write a no-extra-abstractions NM frontend in pykde | 10:59 | |
| asac | anyway no point arguing | 11:00 |
| asac | thats how it is ;) | 11:00 |
| hunger | I don't have dbus-monitor-system installed. Which deb is that in? | 11:00 |
| asac | hunger: dbus-monitor --system | 11:00 |
| Riddell | shtylman: timezone page in ubiquity-frontend-kde broken, anything that's changed there recently? http://paste.ubuntu.com/251852/ | 11:03 |
| hunger_ | asac: dbus-monitor --system is mostly silent. | 11:07 |
| hunger_ | A couple of signals are send by NM, but nothing is going into it:-) | 11:07 |
| hunger_ | I did not get anything in syslog this time either. | 11:08 |
| asac | hunger_: please killal knetworkmanager | 11:08 |
| asac | hunger_: hmm. | 11:08 |
| hunger_ | I did killall nm-applet, started knetworkmanager, tried to connect to the wlan again, then did killall knetworkmanger and started nm-applet again to report back here. | 11:09 |
| asac | i observed the same yesterday. ActivateConnection doesnt go over the wire | 11:09 |
| asac | i switch from async to sync and then it does, but then the applet cannot answer the request for the user connection | 11:09 |
| asac | (which i thought was the syslog message you are seeing) | 11:09 |
| asac | hunger_: ok so maybe the message was triggered by nm-applet | 11:10 |
| hunger_ | Well, this time there was no syslog entry. | 11:10 |
| hunger_ | A while back I had syslog entries about wpasupplicant doing something... | 11:11 |
| asac | yes. but that happens for scanning etc. | 11:11 |
| asac | not related | 11:11 |
| hunger_ | But I think that was with the kde 4.3 beta debs. | 11:11 |
| hunger_ | asac: I think not. It was something about doing a handshake and going from there to "disconnected" again. | 11:12 |
| asac | so the culprid is really what i found yesterday. something is fishy about the ActivateConnection dbus call ... which seems to never go oever the wire | 11:12 |
| asac | hunger_: paste the section from syslog you refer to | 11:13 |
| hunger_ | But as I said, I think I saw that a while back with beta debs or an older NM or something. | 11:13 |
| asac | i can probably interpret that | 11:13 |
| asac | ah | 11:13 |
| hunger_ | Might pop up again once the applet talks to the NM again:-) | 11:13 |
| hunger_ | It was a plasmoid back then anyway, not this tray icon thingy that is in karmic now. | 11:14 |
| sebas | asac: you want to tell that to wstephenson on #kde-devel | 11:18 |
| asac | sebas: i know him. its just that he wasnt there the whole night | 11:22 |
| sebas | yeah, he sleeps at night, as opposed to some others ;-) | 11:23 |
| asac | heh. right. | 11:23 |
| * Riddell has no idea where to start on this ubiquity timezone issue | 11:49 | |
| Riddell | davmor2: ubiquity broken for KDE, no point trying kubuntu stuff | 11:49 |
| shtylman | Riddell: nothing that changed recently that shouldn't have been tested | 12:00 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I will look at it after work today | 12:00 |
| shtylman | Riddell: ahh...evand says that the timezones were changed to support translations...I will just update the kubuntu code to work with it now | 12:01 |
| Riddell | shtylman: it looks like there's a fair diff of changes there, and our timezone code isn't really in sync with gtk so it's not just copy/paste | 12:03 |
| shtylman | Riddell: right...but I don't think it should be too bad...just figure out how they are reporting timezones now...and handle that appropriately | 12:06 |
| ScottK | I take it we have candidate ISOs now? | 12:22 |
| a|wen-dtu | ScottK: read 6 lines above "ubiquity broken for KDE" :( | 12:28 |
| ScottK | a|wen-dtu: Thanks. | 12:28 |
| ScottK | Very early here. | 12:28 |
| a|wen-dtu | i guess so ... past lunch here already | 12:29 |
| asac | Riddell: QUuid is odd ... it creates a UUID with a {} sourrounding | 12:31 |
| asac | which variant creates one without that? | 12:31 |
| asac | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/quuid.html#Variant-enum | 12:31 |
| asac | {67C8770B-44F1-410A-AB9A-F9B5446F13EE} | 12:31 |
| asac | -> thats not a valid uuid | 12:31 |
| asac | it should be 67C8770B-44F1-410A-AB9A-F9B5446F13EE | 12:32 |
| asac | maybe its QUuid::NCS ? | 12:32 |
| asac | that creates the right thing? | 12:32 |
| asac | and yes. i finally managed that NM tries to connect ;) | 12:32 |
| shtylman | Riddell: how long ago were these changes made? had to be pretty recent.... but I havn't touched ubiquity in about a wekk | 12:36 |
| shtylman | *week | 12:36 |
| ScottK | Any idea how long this will take to fix? I want to try and fix the kwin theme for plamsa-netbook if there is time (a couple of hours). | 12:47 |
| ScottK | shtylman or Riddell: ^^^? | 12:47 |
| Riddell | shtylman: yes recent, see mterry's merge | 12:51 |
| Riddell | asac: that's the qt 3 API, try http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/quuid.html | 12:52 |
| asac | Riddell: well. what i se is that it wrapps the uuid with { ... | 12:55 |
| asac | thats the first bug | 12:56 |
| asac | now i worked aroudn that on NM side ... next thing is that the passphrase is trashed | 12:56 |
| asac | currently trying to get debug output from the wallet parts | 12:56 |
| asac | knetworkmanager doesnt send my psk, but plain garbage even though the psk is properly in the wallet | 12:57 |
| asac | at least the UUID didnt work for sure in latest 0.7.1 snapshot we had. so not so sure if it really worked | 12:58 |
| asac | actually now checked. it worked in 0.7.1 final. but not in 0.7.1 latest (which is what we had afaik) | 12:58 |
| asac | actually i think i am now at the place where you had been before. it works, but nothing with secrets works | 12:59 |
| asac | Riddell: sure 0.7.1 worked for WPA-PSK? | 12:59 |
| ScottK | Progress. | 12:59 |
| Riddell | asac: it did for me, that doesn't mean it did for anyone else of course | 13:00 |
| asac | Riddell: wpa-psk? | 13:00 |
| Riddell | oh no | 13:00 |
| Riddell | wep | 13:00 |
| asac | ah ok | 13:00 |
| asac | that might be different beast | 13:00 |
| Riddell | yeah quite likely | 13:00 |
| asac | i think wpa-psk is in heritently broken | 13:01 |
| asac | currently try to figure where it trashes the stuff it gets from the wallet | 13:01 |
| asac | but its just uninitialized garbage afaict | 13:01 |
| asac | Riddell: if you could figure how to get QUuid to produce a valid uuid on toString that would be precious | 13:01 |
| asac | i can ask on -devel again, but they are not that responsive ;) | 13:02 |
| asac | let me check there ;) | 13:02 |
| maco | O_O | 13:13 |
| maco | reading from uninitialized memory? oy | 13:13 |
| maco | so um i think quasselclient has some sort of resource hogging issue. specifically: it was reading 1.2MB/s from disk accordint to iotop (yes, reading, not swapping) | 13:15 |
| maco | (swapping is a different column) | 13:16 |
| maco | once disconnected, that stopped and oh yeah, suddenly Xorg wasnt being bombarded with requests anymore and stopped pegging my CPU. i'm thinking those two are related. | 13:16 |
| ghostcube | oO | 13:21 |
| ghostcube | wow that sound stressy for the system | 13:21 |
| maco | when my wireless driver is using 100% cpu and X is using 60% cpu and quasselclient is doing tons of reads.... yeah | 13:22 |
| maco | AND kontact was doing a sync using 30 of the remaining 40% cpu | 13:22 |
| ScottK | It would be really handy if someone could make the quassel dgb or dbgsym packages produce a backtrace with actual, usable symbols in them or alternately teach Quassel about apport. | 13:29 |
| micmord | a silly question: firefox gives me that warning on colsole: "(npviewer.bin:3962): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtcurve.so: classe ELF errata: ELFCLASS64" is a npviewer or a libqtcurve bug? Or not a bug at all? | 13:35 |
| micmord | s/classe ELF errata/wrong ELF class/ | 13:36 |
| maco | ScottK: current dbg pkgs broken or nonexistent ? | 13:41 |
| ScottK | maco: Broken. | 13:42 |
| ScottK | maco: Lots of # 8 quasselclient 0x081436a1 0x00000000 | 13:42 |
| sabdfl | hi folks | 13:43 |
| sabdfl | what's the perspective of KDE folks on Clutter? | 13:43 |
| sabdfl | there are C++ bindings, clutter-qt etc, but how well received is it? | 13:43 |
| sabdfl | intel and nokia have said they would collaborate around clutter too, iirc | 13:43 |
| sebas | sabdfl: clutter being purely opengl is a problem | 13:43 |
| sabdfl | agreed | 13:44 |
| sebas | sabdfl: QGraphicsView provides the scenegraph stuff already, and it has fallbacks for all kinds of graphics systems | 13:44 |
| sebas | So it uses whatever acceleration is there already | 13:44 |
| sebas | Or none at all :) | 13:44 |
| sabdfl | all very nice but... if an ISV does not want to implement everything twice, can they use clutter and ship on KDE, acceptable? | 13:45 |
| sabdfl | and in Kubuntu, in particular? | 13:45 |
| sebas | The animation framework looks interesting, but then that's planned to enter QGraphicsView in the 4.6 release (planned end of this year) | 13:45 |
| sabdfl | saying "hey, we will NIH that" is not a good answer | 13:45 |
| sebas | I don't know how feasible clutter is exactly, but functionality wise, it's more or less a subset of what QGV does | 13:45 |
| sebas | So I'd advice for QGV (but of course I'm biased) | 13:46 |
| sebas | Qt is more wide-spread than clutter as well | 13:46 |
| sebas | So it's more "available" / "already there" | 13:46 |
| sebas | How feasible it would be to ship a clutter-based component in kubuntu, I don't know | 13:48 |
| sebas | Would need investigation (dependencies? Integration with other components? think theming, for example, but possibly shortcuts, other user interaction stuff and networking as well | 13:49 |
| seele | clutter-based components would be less likely to end up upstream which is also a negative for kubuntu since one of our goals is to remain as close to upstream as possible | 13:50 |
| maco | clutter = the launcher in unr? | 13:53 |
| Riddell | clutter-qt depends on cairo and gdk so it's brining in new stuff that wouldn't be acceptable to KDE and would have to bring notable advantage to Kubuntu | 13:55 |
| ScottK | And would have to displace something else from the CD. | 13:56 |
| sebas | Is Qt already on the Ubuntu CD? | 13:56 |
| Riddell | no | 13:57 |
| sebas | ok | 13:57 |
| Riddell | sebas: clutter is a bit more than just QGV as I understand it, it includes stuff along the lines that Qt is doing with Qt Declarative | 13:58 |
| sebas | yah, the declarative UI stuff ... haven't looked closely at that yet | 13:58 |
| sabdfl | maco: clutter is the animation framework used for that, but the launcher is a separate bit of code | 14:00 |
| maco | ok | 14:02 |
| Riddell | shtylman: how are you getting on? | 14:30 |
| ryanakca | Anybody have a list of websites broken in konqueror / arora? | 14:35 |
| Tm_T | ryanakca: define "broken" | 14:35 |
| seele | "not rendering as intended" | 14:35 |
| * ryanakca nods | 14:35 | |
| ScottK | We've all heard about /. from Riddell and Konqueror | 14:38 |
| ScottK | The most broken thing I've seen with Arora was the mimetype stuff and that seems ~ fixed. | 14:38 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Well, /. works in Dooble ;) | 14:40 |
| maco | spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org on arora has stuff overlapping vertically where firefox does not | 14:42 |
| ryanakca | So does GMail... which is nice. The spreadubuntu link doesn't have any overlap but the page looks rather busy | 14:44 |
| asac_ | Riddell: ok we fixed it.o we need workspace/solid update to trunk and networkmanager/trunk in a few minutes (after the fix got committed) | 14:46 |
| asac_ | Riddell: sorry. not workspace/solid to trunk ... to latest 4.3 | 14:47 |
| asac_ | Riddell: i guess its too late for this alpha, but having packages somewhere so i can verify that thats really enough would be great | 14:47 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: did you see my earlier arora grumble? | 14:48 |
| jussi01 | mind, I could probably give you 10 papercuts re arora | 14:48 |
| ryanakca | Could someone re'ack bug 410400 for frescobaldi version 0.7.13 please? | 14:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410400 in ubuntu "Sync frescobaldi 0.7.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410400 | 14:50 |
| maco | ryanakca: hmm? the RSS icons in the row of links in top right overlap the stuff above by a couple pixels. and the "powerd by ubuntu" badge overlaps "create materials" just above it by a whole line of text. and also: why the heck is it in spanish when i view it in arora? | 14:50 |
| ryanakca | maco: *shrug* | 14:51 |
| ScottK-laptop | ryanakca: The video linked in http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081003055.html works on arora (as backported), but not Konqueror in Jaunty. | 14:51 |
| ryanakca | maco: Do you see it here? http://imagebin.ca/view/cfwz4JJf.html | 14:53 |
| a|wen-dtu | ryanakca: testbuild done on karmic? | 14:55 |
| ryanakca | a|wen-dtu: No, I built that on jaunty. I don't have a package ready yet... | 14:56 |
| a|wen-dtu | ryanakca: it was re: frescobaldi | 14:56 |
| maco | ryanakca: oh...no it looks fine on yours | 14:56 |
| ryanakca | a|wen-dtu: I believe so. I'll rebuild just to make sure... | 14:57 |
| Riddell | asac_: ok I can put workspace/solid 4.3 branch into a PPA | 14:58 |
| Riddell | asac_: by networkmanager/trunk do you mean network manager or plasma/applet/networkmanager ? | 14:59 |
| a|wen-dtu | =) | 14:59 |
| asac_ | Riddell: you can confuse me. whatever branch you gave me. its the plasma tree with the monolithic in | 15:00 |
| asac_ | but the patch is not yet committed so wait for that branch a few more minutes | 15:00 |
| asac_ | but workspace definitly needs to be updated | 15:00 |
| Riddell | asac_: right, just checking the fix is in the KDE side not the backend | 15:00 |
| asac_ | Riddell: also the applet package _must_ depend on workspace-bin | 15:00 |
| asac_ | i wasted half of my night because of that ;) | 15:01 |
| maco | ryanakca: this is what i see: http://i30.tinypic.com/32zpezm.jpg | 15:01 |
| * asac_ writes a wiki page on how to do upstream development now | 15:01 | |
| asac_ | Riddell: the fix for the applet is http://pastebin.com/f40bece32 | 15:01 |
| Riddell | I wonder if we have other packages that miss that dependency | 15:01 |
| asac_ | probably ;) | 15:01 |
| maco | ryanakca: thats a couple days old, and english. i guess its just in spanish that the text overlaps too | 15:02 |
| asac_ | its not shlibs tracked ;) | 15:02 |
| asac_ | Riddell: do you use cdbs? we could make a default kde thing that always adds it | 15:02 |
| asac_ | like ${kde:Depends} | 15:02 |
| asac_ | Riddell: ok fix committed r1010448 | 15:03 |
| asac_ | Riddell: the workspace update will fix WPA-PSK too ... so it will be better than before now ;) | 15:03 |
| asac_ | and probably even EAP | 15:03 |
| * asac_ needs to get an AP with enterprise support | 15:04 | |
| asac_ | Riddell: i guess you directly grab through ssh? the mirrors take a bit i was told to absorb that commit | 15:06 |
| Riddell | yes I am | 15:06 |
| ryanakca | a|wen-dtu: built fine. Did you want to test the package too? | 15:06 |
| asac_ | Riddell: ok so if r1010448 is there for you, you can just bump both packages to latest branch tips | 15:07 |
| asac_ | next time i understand how to do things ;) | 15:07 |
| rgreening | great work asac_. I was pulling my hair out over the whole NM and broken wireless :) | 15:11 |
| a|wen-dtu | ryanakca: I trust you this time around ... looked at the .11 version | 15:16 |
| asac_ | ok brain dumped to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopingKNetworkManager | 15:16 |
| Riddell | asac_: ooh ooh, I got it to work | 15:49 |
| Riddell | have I ever mentioned you're a genius? | 15:50 |
| asac | Riddell: nope ;) | 15:51 |
| asac | but i feel happy now | 15:51 |
| asac | hard time for me. but now i know how to do kde stuff ;) | 15:51 |
| Riddell | thanks very much | 15:51 |
| asac | welcome. | 15:51 |
| asac | Riddell: i think just the applet will fix the new problem | 15:52 |
| asac | so you might want to get that in | 15:52 |
| asac | the wpa issue is only fixed by workspace which probably has to wait i gues | 15:52 |
| asac | but better try. i think the upstream changed some id values again which might cause a mismatch if not both are upgraded | 15:53 |
| asac | Riddell: but just the patch i pasted on top of current applet should work | 15:53 |
| asac | at least it did for me with fridays workspace checkout | 15:53 |
| ScottK-laptop | SInce we're waiting on Ubiquity anyway, it'd be nice to get it all working. | 15:54 |
| Riddell | yeah I think I'll just upload | 15:54 |
| asac | i am not a release manager ;) | 15:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | asac: Thanks for working on the KDE part of the problem. I appreciate it. | 15:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yes, but Riddell is on ubuntu-release, so we can't get in trouble if he uploads it. | 15:54 |
| asac | sure. trouble is also relative ;) | 15:55 |
| asac | its about not blocking slangasek by throwing something in without checking | 15:55 |
| asac | with him | 15:55 |
| ScottK-laptop | I think he's asleep right now. | 15:55 |
| asac | but if you say that there is something still pending, then fine i guess | 15:55 |
| ScottK-laptop | Ubiquity currently broken in KDE. | 15:56 |
| ScottK-laptop | shtylman is working on it. | 15:56 |
| asac | yeah. for me network being completely broken qualifies as a release bug that alpha periods are ment to fix ;) | 15:57 |
| maco | "is kubuntu karmic stable?" "as long as you dont need the internet" | 15:58 |
| ScottK-laptop | and can't type ifup | 15:59 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: Actually I see slangasek is awake and speaking. | 15:59 |
| maco | ScottK: if ifup ever stops working ill be very unhappy | 16:00 |
| maco | seele: new film by the guy that wrote Princess Mononoke being screened at the Japanese Embassy tonight | 16:01 |
| seele | maco: Ponyo? | 16:01 |
| maco | yeah | 16:01 |
| seele | this is the one night i have nothing to do, i'll have to pass | 16:02 |
| seele | havent had a night at home in a while :) | 16:02 |
| maco | ok | 16:03 |
| EagleScreen | karmic stable?? lol | 16:05 |
| EagleScreen | the last stable release of Kubuntu is 8.04 i think | 16:05 |
| Riddell | asac: network-manager Recommends: network-manager-gnome | plasma-widget-network-manager, dnsmasq-base | 16:06 |
| Riddell | asac: could you change that to plasma-widget-networkmanagement | 16:06 |
| asac | Riddell: can we rename the package to knetworkmanager again ;)? | 16:09 |
| Riddell | noo, not another rename! | 16:09 |
| asac | heh | 16:09 |
| rgreening | lol, what's in a name | 16:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | I thought knetworkmanager was what we wanted? | 16:09 |
| asac | yes | 16:09 |
| asac | ScottK-laptop: its messy: upstream gave up on plasma-widget for now and added knetworkmanager code to the same tree | 16:10 |
| asac | i am asking to use knetworkmanager package as name and not plasma ... which is so confusing ;) | 16:10 |
| Riddell | I really don't want to rename it again when the plasma-widget will come back at some point anyway | 16:10 |
| Riddell | and it's all the same code tree | 16:10 |
| asac | Riddell: right. but we will have two working applets then | 16:10 |
| asac | so we need two packages | 16:10 |
| asac | at least thatss how I understood it ;) | 16:11 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: Just call in knetworkmanager and have it provide plasma-widget-network-management for now | 16:11 |
| asac | alos laste LTS folks still have knetworkmanager | 16:11 |
| asac | so if we keep that they will not even see the back and forth ;) | 16:11 |
| ScottK-laptop | asac: Hardy wasn't LTS for Kubuntu | 16:11 |
| asac | hmm. yeah. but are you sure that update-manager doesnt think so? | 16:11 |
| Riddell | they're both in one package, and it's called plasma-widget-networkmanagement | 16:11 |
| asac | for LTS it doesnt offer upgrade to intrepid for instance ... thats what mvo told me. just when next LTS is out | 16:12 |
| Riddell | committed network-manager fix to ubuntu.head branch | 16:22 |
| agateau | Riddell: according to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/konversation/konversation_1.2~alpha6-0ubuntu1/changelog, you integrated my indicator patches to Konversation, but I don't see any dependency on libindicate-qt. Is this normal? | 16:24 |
| Riddell | >apt-cache show konversation | grep indi | 16:29 |
| Riddell | Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.3.0), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.3.0), kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.3.0), libc6 (>= 2.4), libindicate-qt0,.. | 16:29 |
| Riddell | agateau: the dependency got picked up | 16:29 |
| agateau | Riddell: oh ok, that'll teach me I should not trust packages.ubuntu.com :) | 16:33 |
| agateau | Riddell: so it made it to alpha3? | 16:33 |
| Riddell | agateau: yes it's in alpha 4 (due tomorrow) | 16:34 |
| Riddell | maybe davmor2 can test it | 16:35 |
| agateau | Riddell: great, thanks a lot for integrating it | 16:35 |
| Riddell | agateau: I'm going to e-mail the konversation guys about the patches, can I tell them you'll get the patches having libindicate as an option sometime soon? | 16:35 |
| davmor2 | test what sorry | 16:35 |
| agateau | Riddell: it's in my TODO list at least | 16:36 |
| Riddell | davmor2: message indicator display in panel with konversation talking to it | 16:36 |
| agateau | but not very high for now :/ | 16:36 |
| davmor2 | does conversation support bonjour? | 16:37 |
| ScottK | agateau: We did discuss at the Kubuntu meeting yesterday it being optional/not by default and upstreamed as conditions for the patches to stay for more than just testing. | 16:37 |
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| agateau | ScottK: it is already optional | 16:38 |
| agateau | ScottK: and upstreamed is on my list | 16:38 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Do we need this xsplash thing that lool was talking about on #ubuntu-release? | 16:40 |
| ScottK | Obviously not for Alpha 4, but for after. | 16:40 |
| Riddell | ScottK: we probably need something. xsplash is a GTK app so has far more dependencies than our own ksplashx | 16:41 |
| ScottK | OK. So we have something already? | 16:41 |
| Riddell | so really we want ksplashx to be started as our pre-login splash | 16:41 |
| * ScottK isn't entirely clear on what it is. | 16:41 | |
| Riddell | it's the new pre-login splash, the idea is X will start up very soon (within 3 seconds of boot) so no usplash | 16:42 |
| Tm_T | I wonder why it's named as xsplash if it's GTK | 16:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. As long as we have a plan. I wanted to make sure we weren't missing out. | 16:43 |
| Riddell | it's only a rough plan, I need to look into how it would be implemented | 16:43 |
| Riddell | davmor2: kopete should support Bonjour I think | 16:47 |
| ScottK | Looks like we're back in business on armel. | 16:48 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: ignore me I was slightly off my troll then :) | 16:48 |
| ScottK | libs and libs-experimental are built. | 16:48 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: What happened to the opendesktop applet? | 16:52 |
| davmor2 | and why does ublog have the word configure over it after it has been configured? | 16:52 |
| Riddell | davmor2: I got tid of opendesktop applet, it was impossible to make it do anything useful without manual configuration so there's no point in having it on the desktop by default | 16:54 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Konversation isn't install by default is it? | 16:55 |
| Riddell | agateau: I'm going to blog about the message indicator if that's ok | 16:55 |
| Riddell | davmor2: not currently | 16:55 |
| Riddell | agateau: shall I say that we want to get it into kdeplasma-addons? | 16:55 |
| Riddell | agateau: oh and should I say that individual apps will need patches or do you think the knotify stuff will go somewhere? | 16:56 |
| agateau | Riddell: "want" may sound a bit arrogant, no? we could say we think it would be nice to have it in kdeplasma-addons | 16:57 |
| agateau | Riddell: no the knotify stuff is not going anywhere :/ | 16:57 |
| agateau | Riddell: good idea to blog on this | 16:57 |
| Riddell | shtylman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412589 | 16:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 412589 in ubiquity "timezone page broken in KDE frontend" [Undecided,New] | 16:57 |
| Riddell | mterry says he can fix | 16:58 |
| agateau | Riddell: we should maybe also mention the "Incoming Message" applet | 16:58 |
| Riddell | agateau: what's that? | 16:58 |
| agateau | (mailing his author is still in my todo) | 16:58 |
| Riddell | oh right, the current one that's in KDE | 16:59 |
| agateau | Riddell: the applet you shown me at Dublin | 16:59 |
| agateau | yes | 16:59 |
| davmor2 | Meh that was weird I closed down kopete's window for bonjour and it crashed out pidgin on my main jaunty box meh | 16:59 |
| agateau | davmor2: remote crash! | 16:59 |
| * agateau likes the fact that Riddell blogs before he can convince himself to do so :) | 17:01 | |
| tester_ | Riddell: ping me please | 17:01 |
| Riddell | hi tester_ | 17:01 |
| slacker_nl | lol | 17:01 |
| Riddell | you need to have konversation not in focus tester_ | 17:01 |
| Riddell | ok ubiquity upload happening shortly, it'll be a long night of testing I think | 17:04 |
| agateau | Riddell: if I release a new version of plasma-indicatordisplay, do you think you can upload it for alpha4? | 17:04 |
| Riddell | agateau: what's new? | 17:05 |
| agateau | - the menu contains less empty space | 17:06 |
| agateau | - the menu does not embed itself in the panel anymore | 17:06 |
| agateau | (previously, the menu could embed itself in the panel if the panel was large enough) | 17:06 |
| Riddell | agateau: do you have it immediately? | 17:07 |
| agateau | Riddell: just need to change the version in CMakeLists.txt, run make dist and upload the tarball | 17:07 |
| agateau | but all changes are already in LP | 17:08 |
| Riddell | agateau: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4043 | 17:08 |
| davmor2 | RiddellI don't see an option named that in konversation | 17:08 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no Message Indicator in settings -> configure konversation ? | 17:08 |
| agateau | Riddell: looks good | 17:09 |
| davmor2 | no for notifications I have tabs/highlight/watched nicks/osd/warnings | 17:09 |
| agateau | Riddell: nicely demonstrate the need for a smaller menu popup, though :/ | 17:09 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I have configure notifictaions | 17:11 |
| Riddell | huh, where's it gone? | 17:11 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: this is on version 1.2~alpha6-0ubuntu1 is that correct and I'm on 64bit | 17:13 |
| Riddell | the patches aren't being applied | 17:14 |
| agateau | Riddell: so packages.ubuntu.com did not lie eventually :/ | 17:14 |
| Riddell | jon removed quilt from debian/rules | 17:15 |
| ScottK | agateau: What happened with the knotify idea? | 17:15 |
| Riddell | this is why I don't advocate doing merges in the middle of a release cycle, mistakes will always happen | 17:15 |
| agateau | ScottK: the idea was to create indicators as one of the knotify output, | 17:15 |
| agateau | ScottK: but it did not map well with the way indicators work: | 17:15 |
| agateau | ScottK: an app usually has one indicator server, which contains zero or more indicators | 17:16 |
| agateau | ScottK: there is no hierarchy like this in knotify | 17:16 |
| agateau | ScottK: so it was not possible to do interesting thing like switching to the right channel when activating an indicator | 17:16 |
| ScottK | Well I think doing the indicator as an application function and not a system function is going to make it harder overall. | 17:17 |
| Riddell | agateau: got a tar yet? | 17:17 |
| agateau | ScottK: true, but it allow for a much tighter integration | 17:17 |
| agateau | Riddell: about to upload | 17:17 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: so it's not me then? | 17:18 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no, it's people who do merges in the middle of the cycle at fault | 17:18 |
| davmor2 | tell them to use tricycles instead then | 17:19 |
| agateau | Riddell: http://launchpad.net/plasma-indicatordisplay/0.3/0.3.0/+download/plasma-indicatordisplay-0.3.0.tar.bz2 | 17:23 |
| Riddell | agateau: did you find out why the tests didn't build? | 17:27 |
| agateau | Riddell: no :/ | 17:27 |
| agateau | and worse: it broke once here, than ran correctly two times just after | 17:28 |
| agateau | Riddell: need to track this down | 17:28 |
| Riddell | spooky | 17:29 |
| Riddell | agateau: ok uploaded | 17:29 |
| agateau | Riddell: great! | 17:29 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: (it was you looking for arora/konqueror examples): unprivating a bug works in Konqueror, but not Arora | 17:40 |
| yuriy | so, what are the chances of making irssi work with the messaging indicator? :D | 17:41 |
| rgreening | yuriy: too drole my man... too drole :) | 17:51 |
| hunger | asac: Sorry, that I ran away a couple of hours back... hosed my system configuration on loging out. | 17:52 |
| asac | all okay i made my way ;) | 17:53 |
| asac | and now i am off ... cheers! | 17:53 |
| hunger | asac: You found the issue? | 17:53 |
| * hunger waves to asac. | 17:53 | |
| ScottK | hunger: And fixed it. | 17:54 |
| asac | yes. its fixed. and kubuntu also gets fixed wifi WPA-PSK too now ;) | 17:54 |
| hunger | You guys *ROCK*! | 17:54 |
| asac | thx ... now really off! | 17:54 |
| * hunger is waiting for these fixes to hit the archives... | 17:54 | |
| hunger | My shiny new netbook is slowly turning into really useable. | 17:55 |
| hunger | I still do not like the kubuntu-netbook-remix... a bit of customazation of the kubuntu-desktop is so much nicer for me to use. | 17:56 |
| ScottK | hunger: First, it's Kubuntu Netbook Edition, not a remix. Second, plasma-netbook is still in heavy development, so it should get more usable. Third, it's a bit different, but I'm liking it after a couple of days. | 17:58 |
| hunger | ScottK: The heavy development shows:-) It does indeed progresses rapidly. | 17:59 |
| hunger | ScottK: Maybe it sucked for me due to the modifications I made which kind of got mixed with the changes that I got during an upgrade. The results were not really pleasant:-) | 18:01 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Do we have a cheat sheet on the armel qreal problems for upstreams? | 18:02 |
| ScottK | Sput could use it. | 18:02 |
| Sput | armel qreal? | 18:04 |
| ScottK | Yep | 18:05 |
| ScottK | I linked you the build log on #quassel | 18:06 |
| ScottK | NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1147277/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdepimlibs_4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- Any ideas? | 18:06 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: thanks | 18:11 |
| word | Hi umm..is there a wiki or something with some info on libindicate? | 18:25 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It looks like KDE on armel is back to being a mess. I think we need to get some dedicated (as in his management makes it a priority, not just when he has a moment) time from NCommander to get it fixed up. | 18:26 |
| hunger | asac: I updated plasma-widget-networkmanagement: No change, still no activity on D-Bus whatsoever. | 18:31 |
| ScottK | hunger: Did you get the new kdebase-workspace too? | 18:34 |
| hunger | ScottK: Not yet. | 18:34 |
| ScottK | You need that too | 18:34 |
| hunger | ScottK: Did not hit the archives yet:-( | 18:34 |
| ScottK | OK, then too soon to complain | 18:34 |
| hunger | Great! | 18:35 |
| hunger | So I still can have hope that everything will work soon: | 18:35 |
| hunger | -) | 18:35 |
| ScottK | Yes, we won't dash it just quite yet. | 18:36 |
| hunger | ScottK: I only have myself to blame for installing karmic in the first place: | 18:38 |
| hunger | Breakage is to be expected. | 18:38 |
| hunger | OTOH: So far my experiences with unstable ubuntu releases is mostly positive. | 18:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: pretty pretty please invoke a backport for bug 409966 | 18:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 409966 in jaunty-backports "please backport kontrolpack 2.0.2-0ubuntu1 from karmic to jaunty" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409966 | 18:55 |
| * apachelogger better hugs the Riddell twice to ensure it gets done :D | 18:55 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: You'll have to get off him if you want him to reach the keyboard. | 18:56 |
| maco | or if he wants to use the Little Devs room | 18:57 |
| apachelogger | good point | 18:58 |
| * apachelogger leaves channel and starts searching hydrogen | 18:58 | |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: ich starte eigentlich nur in Ausnhamefällen neu, allerdings scheint der Quassel Server in den letzten Tagen irgendwann offline gewesen sein, also wohl auch der gesamte Server | 19:07 |
| neversfelde | was ist denn mit dem Setup? | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: alles immer futsch, wenn der server weg war, werde jetzt mal nen init script schreiben, ansonsten werden die init dienste im chroot nicht gestartet | 19:10 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: jo, das sollte nen Restart schon überstehen | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | darum init script :D | 19:11 |
| neversfelde | :) | 19:11 |
| dantti | ScottK: was with you that i talked about kpackagekit? | 19:13 |
| ScottK | dantti: If there was a lot of complaining from whoever your talked to about it, probably. | 19:13 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: What did you end up doing about that canonical contributor agreement thingy? | 19:14 |
| dantti | ScottK: hmm it must be you as you are in #debian-qt-kde too.. well you asked about it working with 0.5 right? | 19:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Sput (quassel upstream) is interested in the indicator, but has no time to do patches. Can you pass this on to agateau? Maybe he can help. | 19:15 |
| ScottK | dantti: yes. | 19:15 |
| ScottK | Wanting the authentication stuff. | 19:15 |
| dantti | ScottK: so the good news is that probably next week it will be working | 19:15 |
| ScottK | IIRC maco was going to help with some C part of what needed doing. | 19:15 |
| ScottK | dantti: Excellent. | 19:15 |
| dantti | since packagekit-qt does not need any polkit* stugg | 19:15 |
| dantti | *stuff | 19:15 |
| dantti | packagekitd handles all of that now.. | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: nothing :P | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde never gave his opinion | 19:16 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 19:16 |
| dantti | ScottK: i just need to update packagekit-qt and kpk cause the API was broken.. | 19:16 |
| ScottK | dantti: OK. If you need help getting stuff uploaded for Kubuntu, let me know | 19:17 |
| dantti | ScottK: apart from that today i'm releasing the last kpk 0.4.x.. | 19:17 |
| dantti | ScottK: btw does pkexec works for you? | 19:17 |
| ScottK | You'll need to be more specific. | 19:17 |
| dantti | ScottK: try pkexec nano | 19:18 |
| * ScottK has about zero mental bandwidth to spare from work | 19:18 | |
| dantti | ScottK: it segfaults here.. | 19:18 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Ah | 19:18 |
| ScottK | dantti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/252067/ | 19:22 |
| dantti | ScottK: i see.. it works better than here.. | 19:23 |
| ScottK | Riddell and NCommander: False alarm on armel. The builds had been manually killed. | 19:27 |
| NCommander | ScottK, yeah :-/ | 19:27 |
| nixternal | how do you block people in kopete? it is driving me up a damn wall | 19:47 |
| nixternal | nevermind, found the stupid plugin | 19:48 |
| emonkey | :) | 19:48 |
| slacker_nl | you guys been busy | 20:15 |
| slacker_nl | whole bunch of updates in karmic | 20:15 |
| nhn | in karmic, is there a known issue with atheros AR8113 network cards? | 20:19 |
| nhn | I just upgraded a laptop form jaunty, and now it has no networking at all | 20:20 |
| dantti | ScottK: btw, i've just updated kpk to 0.4.2 ;) if you are a packager | 20:20 |
| ScottK | dantti: I am, but Tonio_ has mostly been doing kpackagekit. We're frozen until Thursday for a Alpha milestone release in any case. | 20:20 |
| dantti | ok | 20:21 |
| slacker_nl | nhn: i've had problems with networking as well, some network managers got started before anything else.. so my wireless didn't work and my static IP config became DHCP.. | 20:22 |
| nhn | slacker_nl: well, the network card does not even show up in ifconfig | 20:22 |
| slacker_nl | i've chmod -x /etc/init.d/NetworkManager to remedy it | 20:23 |
| nhn | its just _dead_ | 20:23 |
| slacker_nl | ahh | 20:23 |
| slacker_nl | what does dmesg say? | 20:23 |
| nhn | good question, sec | 20:23 |
| slacker_nl | i gtg | 20:23 |
| slacker_nl | my cats are probably eating eachother | 20:24 |
| Quintasan | Tonio_: ping | 20:24 |
| slacker_nl | nhn: but i would ask in #ubuntu+1 if more people have this issue, or on the forums, don't think this has something to do with kde :) | 20:24 |
| ScottK | seele and maco: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/repository/revisions/be5b9feef292531c3b92f9f115bd5a55f436bc97 | 20:24 |
| nhn | slacker_nl: true | 20:25 |
| nhn | sorry | 20:25 |
| slacker_nl | np :) | 20:25 |
| slacker_nl | ScottK: do you know if not being able to login/logout/reboot/shutdown from kde would be considered a showstopper? | 20:26 |
| ScottK | Current logout problems on Intel are a known Intel bug. | 20:26 |
| slacker_nl | it is related to intel? | 20:26 |
| ScottK | For the Alpha milestone, not a showstopper. For a final release, sure. | 20:27 |
| slacker_nl | ScottK: hehe, i ment for final ;) k, thnx | 20:27 |
| ScottK | There is an intel related logout hang | 20:27 |
| slacker_nl | mkay | 20:27 |
| slacker_nl | could be it, running intel here | 20:28 |
| slacker_nl | thnx | 20:29 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: sorry, I did not make it, I am visiting my parents and I am very busy. I can have a closer look not before next week, but I can confirm that it is a weird thing. | 20:30 |
| seele | ScottK: "usability queen" huh? lol | 20:31 |
| seele | that's good though. agreed not the best label but better than buffers | 20:31 |
| apachelogger | neversfeldekk | 20:31 |
| apachelogger | hm, typing without looking isn't a good idea it seems | 20:31 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: weird it is he confirms | 20:31 |
| maco | seele: if you want to keep your last name, good thing youre getting hitched soon. 50% of americans think you should be legally required to take justin's last name.http://www.feministing.com/archives/017214.html | 20:33 |
| seele | maco: i *am* keeping my last name | 20:35 |
| seele | it's silly to change it imo | 20:35 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: as a matter of fact, you might as well just backport kontrolpack 2.0.3, which is what I uploaded just now... bugfixes only, so it probably makes sense quality-wise ;-) | 20:35 |
| seele | any children can have his name i dont care | 20:35 |
| Quintasan | guys, anyone has USB 2.0 pendrive which works with full speed? | 20:38 |
| * apachelogger falls off chair | 20:40 | |
| * ScottK hands apachelogger a seat belt. | 20:41 | |
| * apachelogger is wondering why he only gets a seat belt but no airbag | 20:42 | |
| Quintasan | oh, response from googledata cmake module author | 20:43 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: response on what? | 20:43 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: CMake modules mentions copyright but no license | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | poor modules :( | 20:44 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/akonadi-resource-googledata | 20:44 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: airbags are dangerous if you aren't going to fast. | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:44 |
| Quintasan | now to debian @_@ | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | I like reviewied it | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | how cool is that :D | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I am sliding pretty fast, usually | 20:45 |
| ScottK | Worst hurt I ever got in a car accident was from the airbag. | 20:45 |
| * apachelogger decides to go to the hospital tomorrow | 20:45 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yeah, nasty things them are | 20:46 |
| apachelogger | and expensive too | 20:46 |
| Quintasan | akonadi-resource-googledata is already in debian | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: is the module license == source license? | 20:58 |
| Quintasan | I don't think so | 20:58 |
| apachelogger | otherwise I must say sloppy that is | 20:58 |
| Quintasan | http://pastebin.com/f148a150e | 20:58 |
| Quintasan | that's the 'license' | 20:59 |
| emonkey | apachelogger: there's a potential developer in #ubuntu-ch who's looking for an entry ... | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan can give an intro | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | I am quite sure he's good at that :) | 21:03 |
| Quintasan | intro? | 21:03 |
| MayorA | (a shy "Hi" from a Newbie) | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: a development intro ... kind-of | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | MayorA: ahoy | 21:04 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: hiho | 21:04 |
| MayorA | hi ... | 21:04 |
| emonkey | ^^ this guy I meant apachelogger :) | 21:05 |
| MayorA | I am just struggling myself through the wiki.ubuntu.com to figure out how to contribute as a developer | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: ^^ this is the guy emonkey meant :) | 21:05 |
| emonkey | *g* | 21:05 |
| MayorA | ohh ... it seems I am already known even before my first entry to this room | 21:06 |
| Quintasan | :D | 21:06 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: well, you can contribute in many ways but it looks like you want to do technical job | 21:06 |
| * emonkey "fault" ;) | 21:06 | |
| apachelogger | oh well | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | devs know everything | 21:06 |
| MayorA | thanks emonkey, for introducing me | 21:07 |
| MayorA | oh .. then I am definitely no dev | 21:07 |
| emonkey | was a honor for me ;) | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | comes with the job | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | kind of like a super power | 21:07 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: I started with packaging, propably best way into ubuntu/debian development | 21:07 |
| * Quintasan is a Ninja | 21:07 | |
| MayorA | whatever suits you best .... The first steps are really about getting involved | 21:08 |
| MayorA | and getting to know the workflows | 21:08 |
| MayorA | I have some experience in C, C++ and mainly Java, but also - quite some time ago - in Python | 21:10 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: Do you have Launchpad account with CoC signed? | 21:10 |
| MayorA | and: absolutely *no* experience in Linux packaging ;-) | 21:10 |
| MayorA | not yet ... | 21:10 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: don't worry, I started from scratch too :D | 21:11 |
| MayorA | Now I have ... MayorA | 21:11 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: So you should if you want to join kubuntu members someday | 21:11 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: If you want to do packaging you will be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide | 21:13 |
| MayorA | It seems that I will have to be approved by a Committee first ... ;-) | 21:13 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: not if you want to do packages | 21:13 |
| MayorA | I a least bookmarked that one before ... | 21:13 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: New packages go to REVU -> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com | 21:13 |
| Quintasan | There they are advocated by two MOTU's before they go to repos | 21:14 |
| Quintasan | You need a GPG and SSH key uploaded to Launchpad | 21:14 |
| Quintasan | Also I think signing Code of Conduct is a veru good idea. | 21:15 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: more links for you :# | 21:15 |
| Quintasan | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted | 21:15 |
| MayorA | oh oh ... lots to do before actually starting with work | 21:15 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: That's easy, the fun begins with packaging :3 | 21:16 |
| MayorA | I can imagine ;-) | 21:16 |
| Quintasan | We make a extensive use of pbuilder | 21:16 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 21:16 |
| Quintasan | I'm afraid you will have to read it all :D | 21:16 |
| MayorA | My wife will hate me for that ... ;-) | 21:17 |
| Quintasan | I started going trough MOTU Getting Started | 21:17 |
| MayorA | I will do that ... | 21:17 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging | 21:17 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: Enjoy :D | 21:17 |
| MayorA | but when it will eventually get to the point of actually selecting a task ... will I have to contact somebody ... | 21:19 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: Hmm, I do it like this, pick a bug on LP, assing yourself to it, work on it, submit to REVU and wait for comments or advocates from MOTU's | 21:20 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: I started with packaging plasmoids, they are fairly easy and most time consuming part was determining license :) | 21:21 |
| MayorA | fine ... sounds reasonable | 21:21 |
| MayorA | license for what exactly ? | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: that said, before applying for MOTU you should have at least done one debhelper only package | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | MayorA: the source | 21:22 |
| Quintasan | okay... what? :O | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | MayorA: proper licensing is non-trivial unless you know how it is done, but we'll get to that once you have something up on REVU ;-) | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | 90% of the software out there is not properly licensed | 21:23 |
| MayorA | yes ... step after step ... | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: rules, as it is meant to be without CDBS :P | 21:23 |
| Quintasan | omg, it's even possible?! :D | 21:23 |
| MayorA | I just thought that all what's developed for (K)Ubuntu is under GPL | 21:23 |
| Monika|K | apachelogger: what's a debhelper-only package? in contrast to what other kind of package? | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | oh man | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | Monika|K: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debian/rules | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | that is dh-only | 21:24 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTutorialsDay | 21:24 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: You will be interested in those too :) | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | Monika|K: take a look at any plasma-widget to see a cdbs using rules | 21:25 |
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| Monika|K | dh-only is harder? better? | 21:25 |
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| apachelogger | well, you gotta have a bit of an understanding of makefiles to do dh-only | 21:25 |
| apachelogger | mostly cdbs is just a macro system that implements common debhelper stuff at a generic level, but since that doesn't always work (properly) you need to know on how to hook into cdbs, or implement the packaging from scratch | 21:26 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: you showed me that and I thought "OMFG is I want to get into MOTU before end of the year I should start now. Maybe I will finish it before december" | 21:26 |
| apachelogger | otherwise you are pretty screwed if cdbs fails for whatever reason | 21:26 |
| Quintasan | just looking at it gives me a headache @_@ | 21:26 |
| apachelogger | lol | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | grab some makefile intro and try to read that rules file, that might make it easier to understand ;-) | 21:27 |
| Monika|K | too bad we only learnt how to build rpms in uni ... and I even forgot that | 21:28 |
| MayorA | (humble question: are you guys using IDEs or are you still fiddling around with vi ?) | 21:29 |
| Quintasan | MayorA: Vim ftw! | 21:29 |
| MayorA | oh lala | 21:30 |
| Monika|K | KDevelop | 21:30 |
| MayorA | Monika|K: is that state of the art for Kubuntu dev ? | 21:31 |
| Monika|K | I'd say | 21:31 |
| MayorA | I'll give it a try ... after having been used to Eclipse | 21:31 |
| Monika|K | You can use Eclipse with the C++ plugins | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | vim is the state of the art :P | 21:32 |
| MayorA | Yes ... that's what I have been doing ... just using eclipse for everything | 21:32 |
| Quintasan | PROTIP: Vim > * | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | well, visualstudio pwns them all anyway :P | 21:32 |
| MayorA | never used VS since version 6.0 | 21:33 |
| Monika|K | Isn't that from that evil company ... what's its name? | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | Micro$oft | 21:33 |
| apachelogger | still the bets IDE | 21:34 |
| Monika|K | ;-) | 21:34 |
| apachelogger | best even | 21:34 |
| MayorA | apachelogger: are you talking about VS or vim now ?? ;-) | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | VS | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | though vim comes close to it ;-) | 21:35 |
| MayorA | really? ... seems I have missed that one | 21:36 |
| Quintasan | my secret sources say Vim > VS | 21:36 |
| Quintasan | :3 | 21:36 |
| Quintasan | but Vim ain't IDE | 21:37 |
| yuriy | apachelogger: as long as you don't get near the designer I might just agree. but the winforms designer is evil | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | well, winforms are evil themselfs | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: just tweak it a bit | 21:37 |
| Quintasan | urgh, talking about windows in #kubuntu-devel | 21:37 |
| yuriy | nah not evil, just pathetic | 21:37 |
| Quintasan | :O | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: IIRC there was a blog post on planet kde about tweaking it towards that some time ago | 21:38 |
| MayorA | Quintasan: you wrote "You need a GPG and SSH key uploaded to Launchpad" ... I am trying to figure out where I could possibly do such a thing | 21:51 |
| Quintasan | https://launchpad.net/~<yourusername>/+edit | 21:52 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: to which section rockboxutility should belong? | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | utils maybe | 21:53 |
| dtchen | MayorA: specifically, https://launchpad.net/~you/+editpgpkeys and https://launchpad.net/~you/+editsshkeys | 21:54 |
| MayorA | thanks thanks .... Oh my god ... | 21:54 |
| MayorA | I looked for a profile link or whatever | 21:54 |
| MayorA | but never thought of clicking my nick at the top of the page ... | 21:55 |
| MayorA | (it's getting late) | 21:55 |
| Quintasan | urgh | 22:01 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: There is a shitload of contributors listed, can I put Rockbox Contributors and mail to their devel list or do I have to put some names? | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | technically all of them | 22:02 |
| Quintasan | O_O | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | however, if there are really a billion of them you might consider piping it through licensecheck or whatever the script is called and use it's output | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | that is of course if everything is using the same license | 22:03 |
| Quintasan | everything is under GPL 2 | 22:03 |
| Quintasan | GPL-2+ and UNKNOWN | 22:04 |
| Quintasan | ah, GPL-2 | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | then you might use the piping | 22:06 |
| Quintasan | HURRDURR | 22:10 |
| Quintasan | no emails | 22:10 |
| Quintasan | >_< | 22:10 |
| * smarter once spend days tracking all the names and emails of developers for a copyright file :p | 22:11 | |
| Quintasan | -_- | 22:19 |
| Quintasan | ./rbutilqt/zlib/zlib.h: zlib/libpng | 22:20 |
| Quintasan | and header says "All files in this archive are subject to the GNU General Public License" | 22:20 |
| Quintasan | then I lol | 22:20 |
| Quintasan | 'd | 22:20 |
| Riddell | hol guacamole, qt has built on every architecture, how did it manage that? | 22:30 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: pure unadulterated will power | 22:31 |
| Quintasan | Let's party! | 22:31 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for everyone | 22:31 |
| * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get cookies for everyone - might take some time. | 22:31 | |
| * kubotu is back and slides cookies down the bar to everyone | 22:31 | |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order vodka if (age>18) | 22:32 |
| * kubotu slides vodka if (age>18) down the bar to Quintasan | 22:32 | |
| Quintasan | :< | 22:32 |
| * Quintasan failed | 22:32 | |
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| yuriy | this bot is not legal in the US | 22:34 |
| apachelogger | who cares about the US anyway :P | 22:36 |
| Quintasan | WTF? | 22:44 |
| maco | wtf what? | 22:44 |
| Quintasan | debuild complains about missing separator in default rules file :O | 22:44 |
| maco | Riddell: i wouldnt mind some of that guacamole, by the way.. | 22:44 |
| Quintasan | debian/rules:22: *** missing separator (TAB instead 8 spaces?). Stop. | 22:45 |
| maco | and? | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | and I can't start building? | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | inserting TAB there doesn't help | 22:45 |
| maco | i think it saying you have an extra tab where you shouldnt | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | hmm, debuild -S -s -k$GPGKEY starts with clean and it fails because I didn't build it yet, how do I ommit clean? | 22:53 |
| ScottK | -nc | 23:06 |
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