[01:42] <seele> Riddell in bed at 23:30? wow.. so early
[02:29] <ryanakca> Not sure if it's needed, but could someone re ack bug 410400 please?
[03:11] <vorian> what the heck is going on with the network manager?
[03:11] <jjesse> i thought i read some placei twas getting re-written?
[03:12] <vorian> how does one connect with knetworkmanager?
[03:12] <jjesse> no idea, i can't get my mini 9 to detect any wireless
[03:12] <vorian> It seems to be working correctly, but it doesn't connect to my network
[03:12] <vorian> aaarg
[03:12]  * jjesse hates it
[03:14] <vorian> i see why
[03:27]  * ScottK suggests ifup and ifdown for now.  maco is an expert and can give advice.
[03:50] <ScottK> It would be really handy if someone would make quassel apport aware.
[04:03] <lex79> I fixed this launchpad bug 412136 in bzr
[04:04] <lex79> if someone wants upload...
[04:05]  * ScottK looks
[04:09] <ScottK> lex79: Shouldn't it be Vcs-bzr?
[04:09] <lex79> yes :)
[04:10]  * ScottK will fix it
[04:10] <lex79> ScottK: thanks :)
[04:12] <ScottK> It gets rid of the evil ~ppax ending too.
[04:12] <ScottK> As an added bonus
[04:12] <lex79> eheheh
[05:16] <ScottK> lex79: I'm asking about uploading it due to the Alpha 4 freeze.
[05:21] <lex79> you can upload it after freeze for me
[07:48] <jussi01> Ive a grumble bug with arora, probably can be fixed by sorting the .desktop file, but yeah. when you have an aurora window open and select arora from kmenu, then a new one doesnt open, just flashes the one you have open. Ill pop it in LP soon, just actually wanted to grumble... :D
[08:45] <jussi01> wow, loving the trafic here today :D
[09:28] <davmor2> Riddell: what's going on with the kubuntu dvd's?
[10:14] <Riddell> 555555555
[10:15] <Riddell> davmor2: I don't know, do we care about DVDs yet?
[10:16] <davmor2> Riddell: I don't they take to long to test but others might have a word with slangasek
[10:17] <Riddell> they're oversized currently
[10:18] <davmor2> Riddell: isn't everything oversized at the minute?
[10:19] <Riddell> no, you must be mistaking us with that bloated ubuntu desktop variant
[10:19]  * Riddell ducks
[10:49] <hunger> Is there anyone working on unbreaking knetworkmanager in karmic again?
[10:51] <Riddell> asac and awe are
[10:51] <asac> hunger: what are your symptoms?
[10:52] <hunger> asac: knetworkmanager not being able to connect to anything (neither wlan nor wired).
[10:52] <asac> yes
[10:52] <asac> i debugged this thing the whole night just to find myself digging deep in kde service infrastrcuture
[10:52] <asac> and finding out that there are a bunch of packages not installed that are needed
[10:52] <hunger> asac: The only thing I see is this in syslog:
[10:52] <asac> so i basically wasted all night hunting down issues that are not the real issue
[10:52] <hunger> user_connection_get_settings_cb(): user_connection_get_settings_cb: Invalid connection: 'NMSettingConnection' / 'uuid' invalid: 1
[10:53] <asac> hunger: where do you see that?
[10:53] <hunger> /var/log/syslog
[10:53] <hunger> Whenever I try to do anything with knetworkmanager.
[10:53] <asac> Riddell: you need at least to depend on workspace-data-bin and etc
[10:53] <asac> err kdebase-workspace-bin
[10:54] <asac> Riddell: that one broke my neck yesterday
[10:54] <asac> at least i understand the complete kde stuff now i think
[10:54] <ghostcube> rofl
[10:54] <ghostcube> at least anything
[10:55] <hunger> asac: That is installed here.
[10:55] <asac> yes. because you have the full kubuntu stuff installed
[10:55] <asac> but i am a gnome guy and was supposed to work on this
[10:56] <hunger> I don't have kdebase-workspace and kdespace-workspace-wallpapers installed, but every other workspace deb (excluding -dbg and -dev).
[10:56] <asac> and it took me quite some time to figure out that the reason that everything is broken is that solid doesnt find the NM backend at all
[10:56] <asac> which happens because this workspace crap isnt installed
[10:57] <asac> hunger: i dont think your problem are depends. you see the problem i was supposed to work on last night
[10:57] <hunger> asac: My impression is that NM has changed interfaces again...
[10:57] <asac> hunger: the dbus interfaces didnt change at all
[10:57] <asac> but
[10:57] <asac> i would like to add some debugging to the error you are seeing
[10:57] <asac> let me check
[10:57] <hunger> They always seem to do that whenever KDE starts to work with it.
[10:58] <asac> hunger: well i am more NM than kde and after this nightmare tonight i know that the reason is kde trying to make a rocket science out of it
[10:58] <asac> etc.
[10:58] <hunger> asac: There are D-Bus changes in the move from hal to libgudev. I assume ubuntu has those.
[10:58] <asac> they add an abstraction to the kdeabase system .... which naturally means they will not be able to fix things until NM changes again; )
[10:58] <asac> hunger: the dbus api didnt change for anything related to wired/wireless
[10:59] <hunger> asac: Well, gnome is linux (or at least unix) only, kde is not. They need that.
[10:59] <asac> hunger: can you please run dbus-monitor-system 2>&1 | tee /tmp/dbus.log.txt
[10:59] <asac> hunger: they dont need that i can assure you ;)
[10:59]  * Riddell wonders if it would be easier to just write a no-extra-abstractions NM frontend in pykde
[11:00] <asac> anyway no point arguing
[11:00] <asac> thats how it is ;)
[11:00] <hunger> I don't have dbus-monitor-system installed. Which deb is that in?
[11:00] <asac> hunger: dbus-monitor --system
[11:03] <Riddell> shtylman: timezone page in ubiquity-frontend-kde broken, anything that's changed there recently? http://paste.ubuntu.com/251852/
[11:07] <hunger_> asac: dbus-monitor --system is mostly silent.
[11:07] <hunger_> A couple of signals are send by NM, but nothing is going into it:-)
[11:08] <hunger_> I did not get anything in syslog this time either.
[11:08] <asac> hunger_: please killal knetworkmanager
[11:08] <asac> hunger_: hmm.
[11:09] <hunger_> I did killall nm-applet, started knetworkmanager, tried to connect to the wlan again, then did killall knetworkmanger and started nm-applet again to report back here.
[11:09] <asac> i observed the same yesterday. ActivateConnection doesnt go over the wire
[11:09] <asac> i switch from async to sync and then it does, but then the applet cannot answer the request for the user connection
[11:09] <asac> (which i thought was the syslog message you are seeing)
[11:10] <asac> hunger_: ok so maybe the message was triggered by nm-applet
[11:10] <hunger_> Well, this time there was no syslog entry.
[11:11] <hunger_> A while back I had syslog entries about wpasupplicant doing something...
[11:11] <asac> yes. but that happens for scanning etc.
[11:11] <asac> not related
[11:11] <hunger_> But I think that was with the kde 4.3 beta debs.
[11:12] <hunger_> asac: I think not. It was something about doing a handshake and going from there to "disconnected" again.
[11:12] <asac> so the culprid is really what i found yesterday. something is fishy about the ActivateConnection dbus call ... which seems to never go oever the wire
[11:13] <asac> hunger_: paste the section from syslog you refer to
[11:13] <hunger_> But as I said, I think I saw that a while back with beta debs or an older NM or something.
[11:13] <asac> i can probably interpret that
[11:13] <asac> ah
[11:13] <hunger_> Might pop up again once the applet talks to the NM again:-)
[11:14] <hunger_> It was a plasmoid back then anyway, not this tray icon thingy that is in karmic now.
[11:18] <sebas> asac: you want to tell that to wstephenson on #kde-devel
[11:22] <asac> sebas: i know him. its just that he wasnt there the whole night
[11:23] <sebas> yeah, he sleeps at night, as opposed to some others ;-)
[11:23] <asac> heh. right.
[11:49]  * Riddell has no idea where to start on this ubiquity timezone issue
[11:49] <Riddell> davmor2: ubiquity broken for KDE, no point trying kubuntu stuff
[12:00] <shtylman> Riddell: nothing that changed recently that shouldn't have been tested
[12:00] <shtylman> Riddell: I will look at it after work today
[12:01] <shtylman> Riddell: ahh...evand says that the timezones were changed to support translations...I will just update the kubuntu code to work with it now
[12:03] <Riddell> shtylman: it looks like there's a fair diff of changes there, and our timezone code isn't really in sync with gtk so it's not just copy/paste
[12:06] <shtylman> Riddell: right...but I don't think it should be too bad...just figure out how they are reporting timezones now...and handle that appropriately
[12:22] <ScottK> I take it we have candidate ISOs now?
[12:28] <a|wen-dtu> ScottK: read 6 lines above "ubiquity broken for KDE" :(
[12:28] <ScottK> a|wen-dtu: Thanks.
[12:28] <ScottK> Very early here.
[12:29] <a|wen-dtu> i guess so ... past lunch here already
[12:31] <asac> Riddell: QUuid is odd ... it creates a UUID with a {} sourrounding
[12:31] <asac> which variant creates one without that?
[12:31] <asac> http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/quuid.html#Variant-enum
[12:31] <asac> {67C8770B-44F1-410A-AB9A-F9B5446F13EE}
[12:31] <asac> -> thats not a valid uuid
[12:32] <asac> it should be 67C8770B-44F1-410A-AB9A-F9B5446F13EE
[12:32] <asac> maybe its QUuid::NCS ?
[12:32] <asac> that creates the right thing?
[12:32] <asac> and yes. i finally managed that NM tries to connect ;)
[12:36] <shtylman> Riddell: how long ago were these changes made? had to be pretty recent.... but I havn't touched ubiquity in about a wekk
[12:36] <shtylman> *week
[12:47] <ScottK> Any idea how long this will take to fix?  I want to try and fix the kwin theme for plamsa-netbook if there is time (a couple of hours).
[12:47] <ScottK> shtylman or Riddell:  ^^^?
[12:51] <Riddell> shtylman: yes recent, see mterry's merge
[12:52] <Riddell> asac: that's the qt 3 API, try http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/quuid.html
[12:55] <asac> Riddell: well. what i se is that it wrapps the uuid with {  ...
[12:56] <asac> thats the first bug
[12:56] <asac> now i worked aroudn that on NM side ... next thing is that the passphrase is trashed
[12:56] <asac> currently trying to get debug output from the wallet parts
[12:57] <asac> knetworkmanager doesnt send my psk, but plain garbage even though the psk is properly in the wallet
[12:58] <asac> at least the UUID didnt work for sure in latest 0.7.1 snapshot we had. so not so sure if it really worked
[12:58] <asac> actually now checked. it worked in 0.7.1 final. but not in 0.7.1 latest (which is what we had afaik)
[12:59] <asac> actually i think i am now at the place where you had been before. it works, but nothing with secrets works
[12:59] <asac> Riddell: sure 0.7.1 worked for WPA-PSK?
[12:59] <ScottK> Progress.
[13:00] <Riddell> asac: it did for me, that doesn't mean it did for anyone else of course
[13:00] <asac> Riddell: wpa-psk?
[13:00] <Riddell> oh no
[13:00] <Riddell> wep
[13:00] <asac> ah ok
[13:00] <asac> that might be different beast
[13:00] <Riddell> yeah quite likely
[13:01] <asac> i think wpa-psk is in heritently broken
[13:01] <asac> currently try to figure where it trashes the stuff it gets from the wallet
[13:01] <asac> but its just uninitialized garbage afaict
[13:01] <asac> Riddell: if you could figure how to get QUuid to produce a valid uuid on toString that would be precious
[13:02] <asac> i can ask on -devel again, but they are not that responsive ;)
[13:02] <asac> let me check there ;)
[13:13] <maco> O_O
[13:13] <maco> reading from uninitialized memory? oy
[13:15] <maco> so um i think quasselclient has some sort of resource hogging issue. specifically: it was reading 1.2MB/s from disk accordint to iotop (yes, reading, not swapping)
[13:16] <maco> (swapping is a different column)
[13:16] <maco> once disconnected, that stopped and oh yeah, suddenly Xorg wasnt being bombarded with requests anymore and stopped pegging my CPU.  i'm thinking those two are related.
[13:21] <ghostcube> oO
[13:21] <ghostcube> wow that sound stressy for the system
[13:22] <maco> when my wireless driver is using 100% cpu and X is using 60% cpu and quasselclient is doing tons of reads.... yeah
[13:22] <maco> AND kontact was doing a sync using 30 of the remaining 40% cpu
[13:29] <ScottK> It would be really handy if someone could make the quassel dgb or dbgsym packages produce a backtrace with actual, usable symbols in them or alternately teach Quassel about apport.
[13:35] <micmord> a silly question: firefox gives me that warning on colsole: "(npviewer.bin:3962): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtcurve.so: classe ELF errata: ELFCLASS64" is a npviewer or a libqtcurve bug? Or not a bug at all?
[13:36] <micmord> s/classe ELF errata/wrong ELF class/
[13:41] <maco> ScottK: current dbg pkgs broken or nonexistent ?
[13:42] <ScottK> maco: Broken.
[13:42] <ScottK> maco: Lots of #  8 quasselclient        0x081436a1 0x00000000
[13:43] <sabdfl> hi folks
[13:43] <sabdfl> what's the perspective of KDE folks on Clutter?
[13:43] <sabdfl> there are C++ bindings, clutter-qt etc, but how well received is it?
[13:43] <sabdfl> intel and nokia have said they would collaborate around clutter too, iirc
[13:43] <sebas> sabdfl: clutter being purely opengl is a problem
[13:44] <sabdfl> agreed
[13:44] <sebas> sabdfl: QGraphicsView provides the scenegraph stuff already, and it has fallbacks for all kinds of graphics systems
[13:44] <sebas> So it uses whatever acceleration is there already
[13:44] <sebas> Or none at all :)
[13:45] <sabdfl> all very nice but... if an ISV does not want to implement everything twice, can they use clutter and ship on KDE, acceptable?
[13:45] <sabdfl> and in Kubuntu, in particular?
[13:45] <sebas> The animation framework looks interesting, but then that's planned to enter QGraphicsView in the 4.6 release (planned end of this year)
[13:45] <sabdfl> saying "hey, we will NIH that" is not a good answer
[13:45] <sebas> I don't know how feasible clutter is exactly, but functionality wise, it's more or less a subset of what QGV does
[13:46] <sebas> So I'd advice for QGV (but of course I'm biased)
[13:46] <sebas> Qt is more wide-spread than clutter as well
[13:46] <sebas> So it's more "available" / "already there"
[13:48] <sebas> How feasible it would be to ship a clutter-based component in kubuntu, I don't know
[13:49] <sebas> Would need investigation (dependencies? Integration with other components? think theming, for example, but possibly shortcuts, other user interaction stuff and networking as well
[13:50] <seele> clutter-based components would be less likely to end up upstream which is also a negative for kubuntu since one of our goals is to remain as close to upstream as possible
[13:53] <maco> clutter = the launcher in unr?
[13:55] <Riddell> clutter-qt depends on cairo and gdk so it's brining in new stuff that wouldn't be acceptable to KDE and would have to bring notable advantage to Kubuntu
[13:56] <ScottK> And would have to displace something else from the CD.
[13:56] <sebas> Is Qt already on the Ubuntu CD?
[13:57] <Riddell> no
[13:57] <sebas> ok
[13:58] <Riddell> sebas: clutter is a bit more than just QGV as I understand it, it includes stuff along the lines that Qt is doing with Qt Declarative
[13:58] <sebas> yah, the declarative UI stuff ... haven't looked closely at that yet
[14:00] <sabdfl> maco: clutter is the animation framework used for that, but the launcher is a separate bit of code
[14:02] <maco> ok
[14:30] <Riddell> shtylman: how are you getting on?
[14:35] <ryanakca> Anybody have a list of websites broken in konqueror / arora?
[14:35] <Tm_T> ryanakca: define "broken"
[14:35] <seele> "not rendering as intended"
[14:35]  * ryanakca nods
[14:38] <ScottK> We've all heard about /. from Riddell and Konqueror
[14:38] <ScottK> The most broken thing I've seen with Arora was the mimetype stuff and that seems ~ fixed.
[14:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Well, /. works in Dooble ;)
[14:42] <maco> spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org on arora has stuff overlapping vertically where firefox does not
[14:44] <ryanakca> So does GMail... which is nice. The spreadubuntu link doesn't have any overlap but the page looks rather busy
[14:46] <asac_> Riddell: ok we fixed it.o we need workspace/solid update to trunk and networkmanager/trunk in a few minutes (after the fix got committed)
[14:47] <asac_> Riddell: sorry. not workspace/solid to trunk ... to latest 4.3
[14:47] <asac_> Riddell: i guess its too late for this alpha, but having packages somewhere so i can verify that thats really enough would be great
[14:48] <jussi01> ScottK: did you see my earlier arora grumble?
[14:48] <jussi01> mind, I could probably give you 10 papercuts re arora
[14:49] <ryanakca> Could someone re'ack bug 410400 for frescobaldi version 0.7.13 please?
[14:50] <maco> ryanakca: hmm? the RSS icons in the row of links in top right overlap the stuff above by a couple pixels. and the "powerd by ubuntu" badge overlaps "create materials" just above it by  a whole line of text. and also: why the heck is it in spanish when i view it in arora?
[14:51] <ryanakca> maco: *shrug*
[14:51] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: The video linked in http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081003055.html works on arora (as backported), but not Konqueror in Jaunty.
[14:53] <ryanakca> maco: Do you see it here? http://imagebin.ca/view/cfwz4JJf.html
[14:55] <a|wen-dtu> ryanakca: testbuild done on karmic?
[14:56] <ryanakca> a|wen-dtu: No, I built that on jaunty. I don't have a package ready yet...
[14:56] <a|wen-dtu> ryanakca: it was re: frescobaldi
[14:56] <maco> ryanakca: oh...no it looks fine on yours
[14:57] <ryanakca> a|wen-dtu: I believe so. I'll rebuild just to make sure...
[14:58] <Riddell> asac_: ok I can put workspace/solid 4.3 branch into a PPA
[14:59] <Riddell> asac_: by networkmanager/trunk do you mean network manager or plasma/applet/networkmanager ?
[14:59] <a|wen-dtu> =)
[15:00] <asac_> Riddell: you can confuse me. whatever branch you gave me. its the plasma tree with the monolithic in
[15:00] <asac_> but the patch is not yet committed so wait for that branch a few more minutes
[15:00] <asac_> but workspace definitly needs to be updated
[15:00] <Riddell> asac_: right, just checking the fix is in the KDE side not the backend
[15:00] <asac_> Riddell: also the applet package _must_ depend on workspace-bin
[15:01] <asac_> i wasted half of my night because of that ;)
[15:01] <maco> ryanakca: this is what i see: http://i30.tinypic.com/32zpezm.jpg
[15:01]  * asac_ writes a wiki page on how to do upstream development now
[15:01] <asac_> Riddell: the fix for the applet is http://pastebin.com/f40bece32
[15:01] <Riddell> I wonder if we have other packages that miss that dependency
[15:01] <asac_> probably ;)
[15:02] <maco> ryanakca: thats a couple days old, and english. i guess its just in spanish that the text overlaps too
[15:02] <asac_> its not shlibs tracked ;)
[15:02] <asac_> Riddell: do you use cdbs? we could make a default kde thing that always adds it
[15:02] <asac_> like ${kde:Depends}
[15:03] <asac_> Riddell: ok fix committed r1010448
[15:03] <asac_> Riddell: the workspace update will fix WPA-PSK too ... so it will be better than before now ;)
[15:03] <asac_> and probably even EAP
[15:04]  * asac_ needs to get an AP with enterprise support
[15:06] <asac_> Riddell: i guess you directly grab through ssh? the mirrors take a bit i was  told to absorb that commit
[15:06] <Riddell> yes I am
[15:06] <ryanakca> a|wen-dtu: built fine. Did you want to test the package too?
[15:07] <asac_> Riddell: ok so if r1010448 is there for you, you can just bump both packages to latest branch tips
[15:07] <asac_> next time i understand how to do things ;)
[15:11] <rgreening> great work asac_. I was pulling my hair out over the whole NM and broken wireless :)
[15:16] <a|wen-dtu> ryanakca: I trust you this time around ... looked at the .11 version
[15:16] <asac_> ok brain dumped to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopingKNetworkManager
[15:49] <Riddell> asac_: ooh ooh, I got it to work
[15:50] <Riddell> have I ever mentioned you're a genius?
[15:51] <asac> Riddell: nope ;)
[15:51] <asac> but i feel happy now
[15:51] <asac> hard time for me. but now i know how to do kde stuff ;)
[15:51] <Riddell> thanks very much
[15:51] <asac> welcome.
[15:52] <asac> Riddell: i think just the applet will fix the new problem
[15:52] <asac> so you might want to get that in
[15:52] <asac> the wpa issue is only fixed by workspace which probably has to wait i gues
[15:53] <asac> but better try. i think the upstream changed some id values again which might cause a mismatch if not both are upgraded
[15:53] <asac> Riddell: but just the patch i pasted on top of current applet should work
[15:53] <asac> at least it did for me with fridays workspace checkout
[15:54] <ScottK-laptop> SInce we're waiting on Ubiquity anyway, it'd be nice to get it all working.
[15:54] <Riddell> yeah I think I'll just upload
[15:54] <asac> i am not a release manager ;)
[15:54] <ScottK-laptop> asac: Thanks for working on the KDE part of the problem.  I appreciate it.
[15:54] <ScottK-laptop> Yes, but Riddell is on ubuntu-release, so we can't get in trouble if he uploads it.
[15:55] <asac> sure. trouble is also relative ;)
[15:55] <asac> its about not blocking slangasek by throwing something in without checking
[15:55] <asac> with him
[15:55] <ScottK-laptop> I think he's asleep right now.
[15:55] <asac> but if you say that there is something still pending, then fine i guess
[15:56] <ScottK-laptop> Ubiquity currently broken in KDE.
[15:56] <ScottK-laptop> shtylman is working on it.
[15:57] <asac> yeah. for me network being completely broken qualifies as a release bug that alpha periods are ment to fix ;)
[15:58] <maco> "is kubuntu karmic stable?" "as long as you dont need the internet"
[15:59] <ScottK-laptop> and can't type ifup
[15:59] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Actually I see slangasek is awake and speaking.
[16:00] <maco> ScottK: if ifup ever stops working ill be very unhappy
[16:01] <maco> seele: new film by the guy that wrote Princess Mononoke being screened at the Japanese Embassy tonight
[16:01] <seele> maco: Ponyo?
[16:01] <maco> yeah
[16:02] <seele> this is the one night i have nothing to do, i'll have to pass
[16:02] <seele> havent had a night at home in a while :)
[16:03] <maco> ok
[16:05] <EagleScreen> karmic stable?? lol
[16:05] <EagleScreen> the last stable release of Kubuntu is 8.04 i think
[16:06] <Riddell> asac: network-manager Recommends: network-manager-gnome | plasma-widget-network-manager, dnsmasq-base
[16:06] <Riddell> asac: could you change that to plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[16:09] <asac> Riddell: can we rename the package to knetworkmanager again ;)?
[16:09] <Riddell> noo, not another rename!
[16:09] <asac> heh
[16:09] <rgreening> lol, what's in a name
[16:09] <ScottK-laptop> I thought knetworkmanager was what we wanted?
[16:09] <asac> yes
[16:10] <asac> ScottK-laptop: its messy: upstream gave up on plasma-widget for now and added knetworkmanager code to the same tree
[16:10] <asac> i am asking to use knetworkmanager package as name and not plasma ... which is so confusing ;)
[16:10] <Riddell> I really don't want to rename it again when the plasma-widget will come back at some point anyway
[16:10] <Riddell> and it's all the same code tree
[16:10] <asac> Riddell: right. but we will have two working applets then
[16:10] <asac> so we need two packages
[16:11] <asac> at least thatss how I understood it ;)
[16:11] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Just call in knetworkmanager and have it provide plasma-widget-network-management for now
[16:11] <asac> alos laste LTS folks still have knetworkmanager
[16:11] <asac> so if we keep that they will not even see the back and forth ;)
[16:11] <ScottK-laptop> asac: Hardy wasn't LTS for Kubuntu
[16:11] <asac> hmm. yeah. but are you sure that update-manager doesnt think so?
[16:11] <Riddell> they're both in one package, and it's called plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[16:12] <asac> for LTS it doesnt offer upgrade to intrepid for instance ... thats what mvo told me. just when next LTS is out
[16:22] <Riddell> committed network-manager fix to ubuntu.head branch
[16:24] <agateau> Riddell: according to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/konversation/konversation_1.2~alpha6-0ubuntu1/changelog, you integrated my indicator patches to Konversation, but I don't see any dependency on libindicate-qt. Is this normal?
[16:29] <Riddell> >apt-cache show konversation | grep indi
[16:29] <Riddell> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.3.0), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.3.0), kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.3.0), libc6 (>= 2.4), libindicate-qt0,..
[16:29] <Riddell> agateau: the dependency got picked up
[16:33] <agateau> Riddell: oh ok, that'll teach me I should not trust packages.ubuntu.com :)
[16:33] <agateau> Riddell: so it made it to alpha3?
[16:34] <Riddell> agateau: yes it's in alpha 4 (due tomorrow)
[16:35] <Riddell> maybe davmor2 can test it
[16:35] <agateau> Riddell: great, thanks a lot for integrating it
[16:35] <Riddell> agateau: I'm going to e-mail the konversation guys about the patches, can I tell them you'll get the patches having libindicate as an option sometime soon?
[16:35] <davmor2> test what sorry
[16:36] <agateau> Riddell: it's in my TODO list at least
[16:36] <Riddell> davmor2: message indicator display in panel with konversation talking to it
[16:36] <agateau> but not very high for now :/
[16:37] <davmor2> does conversation support bonjour?
[16:37] <ScottK> agateau: We did discuss at the Kubuntu meeting yesterday it being optional/not by default and upstreamed as conditions for the patches to stay for more than just testing.
[16:38] <agateau> ScottK: it is already optional
[16:38] <agateau> ScottK: and upstreamed is on my list
[16:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Do we need this xsplash thing that lool was talking about on #ubuntu-release?
[16:40] <ScottK> Obviously not for Alpha 4, but for after.
[16:41] <Riddell> ScottK: we probably need something.  xsplash is a GTK app so has far more dependencies than our own ksplashx
[16:41] <ScottK> OK.  So we have something already?
[16:41] <Riddell> so really we want ksplashx to be started as our pre-login splash
[16:41]  * ScottK isn't entirely clear on what it is.
[16:42] <Riddell> it's the new pre-login splash, the idea is X will start up very soon (within 3 seconds of boot) so no usplash
[16:42] <Tm_T> I wonder why it's named as xsplash if it's GTK
[16:43] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  As long as we have a plan.  I wanted to make sure we weren't missing out.
[16:43] <Riddell> it's only a rough plan, I need to look into how it would be implemented
[16:47] <Riddell> davmor2: kopete should support Bonjour I think
[16:48] <ScottK> Looks like we're back in business on armel.
[16:48] <davmor2> Riddell: ignore me I was slightly off my troll then :)
[16:48] <ScottK> libs and libs-experimental are built.
[16:52] <davmor2> Riddell: What happened to the opendesktop applet?
[16:52] <davmor2> and why does ublog have the word configure over it after it has been configured?
[16:54] <Riddell> davmor2: I got tid of opendesktop applet, it was impossible to make it do anything useful without manual configuration so there's no point in having it on the desktop by default
[16:55] <davmor2> Riddell: Konversation isn't install by default is it?
[16:55] <Riddell> agateau: I'm going to blog about the message indicator if that's ok
[16:55] <Riddell> davmor2: not currently
[16:55] <Riddell> agateau: shall I say that we want to get it into kdeplasma-addons?
[16:56] <Riddell> agateau: oh and should I say that individual apps will need patches or do you think the knotify stuff will go somewhere?
[16:57] <agateau> Riddell: "want" may sound a bit arrogant, no? we could say we think it would be nice to have it in kdeplasma-addons
[16:57] <agateau> Riddell: no the knotify stuff is not going anywhere :/
[16:57] <agateau> Riddell: good idea to blog on this
[16:57] <Riddell> shtylman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412589
[16:58] <Riddell> mterry says he can fix
[16:58] <agateau> Riddell: we should maybe also mention the "Incoming Message" applet
[16:58] <Riddell> agateau: what's that?
[16:58] <agateau> (mailing his author is still in my todo)
[16:59] <Riddell> oh right, the current one that's in KDE
[16:59] <agateau> Riddell: the applet you shown me at Dublin
[16:59] <agateau> yes
[16:59] <davmor2> Meh that was weird I closed down kopete's window for bonjour and it crashed out pidgin on my main jaunty box meh
[16:59] <agateau> davmor2: remote crash!
[17:01]  * agateau likes the fact that Riddell blogs before he can convince himself to do so :)
[17:01] <tester_> Riddell: ping me please
[17:01] <Riddell> hi tester_
[17:01] <slacker_nl> lol
[17:01] <Riddell> you need to have konversation not in focus tester_
[17:04] <Riddell> ok ubiquity upload happening shortly, it'll be a long night of testing I think
[17:04] <agateau> Riddell: if I release a new version of plasma-indicatordisplay, do you think you can upload it for alpha4?
[17:05] <Riddell> agateau: what's new?
[17:06] <agateau> - the menu contains less empty space
[17:06] <agateau> - the menu does not embed itself in the panel anymore
[17:06] <agateau> (previously, the menu could embed itself in the panel if the panel was large enough)
[17:07] <Riddell> agateau: do you have it immediately?
[17:07] <agateau> Riddell: just need to change the version in CMakeLists.txt, run make dist and upload the tarball
[17:08] <agateau> but all changes are already in LP
[17:08] <Riddell> agateau: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4043
[17:08] <davmor2> RiddellI don't see an option named that in konversation
[17:08] <Riddell> davmor2: no Message Indicator in settings -> configure konversation ?
[17:09] <agateau> Riddell: looks good
[17:09] <davmor2> no for notifications I have tabs/highlight/watched nicks/osd/warnings
[17:09] <agateau> Riddell: nicely demonstrate the need for a smaller menu popup, though :/
[17:11] <davmor2> Riddell: I have configure notifictaions
[17:11] <Riddell> huh, where's it gone?
[17:13] <davmor2> Riddell: this is on version 1.2~alpha6-0ubuntu1 is that correct and I'm on 64bit
[17:14] <Riddell> the patches aren't being applied
[17:14] <agateau> Riddell: so packages.ubuntu.com did not lie eventually :/
[17:15] <Riddell> jon removed quilt from debian/rules
[17:15] <ScottK> agateau: What happened with the knotify idea?
[17:15] <Riddell> this is why I don't advocate doing merges in the middle of a release cycle, mistakes will always happen
[17:15] <agateau> ScottK: the idea was to create indicators as one of the knotify output,
[17:15] <agateau> ScottK: but it did not map well with the way indicators work:
[17:16] <agateau> ScottK: an app usually has one indicator server, which contains zero or more indicators
[17:16] <agateau> ScottK: there is no hierarchy like this in knotify
[17:16] <agateau> ScottK: so it was not possible to do interesting thing like switching to the right channel when activating an indicator
[17:17] <ScottK> Well I think doing the indicator as an application function and not a system function is going to make it harder overall.
[17:17] <Riddell> agateau: got a tar yet?
[17:17] <agateau> ScottK: true, but it allow for a much tighter integration
[17:17] <agateau> Riddell: about to upload
[17:18] <davmor2> Riddell: so it's not me then?
[17:18] <Riddell> davmor2: no, it's people who do merges in the middle of the cycle at fault
[17:19] <davmor2> tell them to use tricycles instead then
[17:23] <agateau> Riddell: http://launchpad.net/plasma-indicatordisplay/0.3/0.3.0/+download/plasma-indicatordisplay-0.3.0.tar.bz2
[17:27] <Riddell> agateau: did you find out why the tests didn't build?
[17:27] <agateau> Riddell: no :/
[17:28] <agateau> and worse: it broke once here, than ran correctly two times just after
[17:28] <agateau> Riddell: need to track this down
[17:29] <Riddell> spooky
[17:29] <Riddell> agateau: ok uploaded
[17:29] <agateau> Riddell: great!
[17:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: (it was you looking for arora/konqueror examples): unprivating a bug works in Konqueror, but not Arora
[17:41] <yuriy> so, what are the chances of making irssi work with the messaging indicator? :D
[17:51] <rgreening> yuriy: too drole my man... too drole :)
[17:52] <hunger> asac: Sorry, that I ran away a couple of hours back... hosed my system configuration on loging out.
[17:53] <asac> all okay i made my way ;)
[17:53] <asac> and now i am off ... cheers!
[17:53] <hunger> asac: You found the issue?
[17:53]  * hunger waves to asac.
[17:54] <ScottK> hunger: And fixed it.
[17:54] <asac> yes. its fixed. and kubuntu also gets fixed wifi WPA-PSK too now ;)
[17:54] <hunger> You guys *ROCK*!
[17:54] <asac> thx ... now really off!
[17:54]  * hunger is waiting for these fixes to hit the archives...
[17:55] <hunger> My shiny new netbook is slowly turning into really useable.
[17:56] <hunger> I still do not like the kubuntu-netbook-remix... a bit of customazation of the kubuntu-desktop is so much nicer for me to use.
[17:58] <ScottK> hunger: First, it's Kubuntu Netbook Edition, not a remix.  Second, plasma-netbook is still in heavy development, so it should get more usable.  Third, it's a bit different, but I'm liking it after a couple of days.
[17:59] <hunger> ScottK: The heavy development shows:-) It does indeed progresses rapidly.
[18:01] <hunger> ScottK: Maybe it sucked for me due to the modifications I made which kind of got mixed with the changes that I got during an upgrade. The results were not really pleasant:-)
[18:02] <ScottK> NCommander: Do we have a cheat sheet on the armel qreal problems for upstreams?
[18:02] <ScottK> Sput could use it.
[18:04] <Sput> armel qreal?
[18:05] <ScottK> Yep
[18:06] <ScottK> I linked you the build log on #quassel
[18:06] <ScottK> NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1147277/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdepimlibs_4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- Any ideas?
[18:11] <ryanakca> ScottK: thanks
[18:25] <word> Hi umm..is there a wiki or something with some info on libindicate?
[18:26] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like KDE on armel is back to being a mess.  I think we need to get some dedicated (as in his management makes it a priority, not just when he has a moment) time from NCommander to get it fixed up.
[18:31] <hunger> asac: I updated plasma-widget-networkmanagement: No change, still no activity on D-Bus whatsoever.
[18:34] <ScottK> hunger: Did you get the new kdebase-workspace too?
[18:34] <hunger> ScottK: Not yet.
[18:34] <ScottK> You need that too
[18:34] <hunger> ScottK: Did not hit the archives yet:-(
[18:34] <ScottK> OK, then too soon to complain
[18:35] <hunger> Great!
[18:35] <hunger> So I still can have hope that everything will work soon:
[18:35] <hunger> -)
[18:36] <ScottK> Yes, we won't dash it just quite yet.
[18:38] <hunger> ScottK: I only have myself to blame for installing karmic in the first place:
[18:38] <hunger> Breakage is to be expected.
[18:39] <hunger> OTOH: So far my experiences with unstable ubuntu releases is mostly positive.
[18:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty pretty please invoke a backport for bug 409966
[18:55]  * apachelogger better hugs the Riddell twice to ensure it gets done :D
[18:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: You'll have to get off him if you want him to reach the keyboard.
[18:57] <maco> or if he wants to use the Little Devs room
[18:58] <apachelogger> good point
[18:58]  * apachelogger leaves channel and starts searching hydrogen
[19:07] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ich starte eigentlich nur in Ausnhamefällen neu, allerdings scheint der Quassel Server in den letzten Tagen irgendwann offline gewesen sein, also wohl auch der gesamte Server
[19:07] <neversfelde> was ist denn mit dem Setup?
[19:10] <apachelogger> neversfelde: alles immer futsch, wenn der server weg war, werde jetzt mal nen init script schreiben, ansonsten werden die init dienste im chroot nicht gestartet
[19:11] <neversfelde> apachelogger: jo, das sollte nen Restart schon überstehen
[19:11] <apachelogger> darum init script :D
[19:11] <neversfelde> :)
[19:13] <dantti> ScottK: was with you that i talked about kpackagekit?
[19:13] <ScottK> dantti: If there was a lot of complaining from whoever your talked to about it, probably.
[19:14] <ryanakca> apachelogger: What did you end up doing about that canonical contributor agreement thingy?
[19:15] <dantti> ScottK: hmm it must be you as you are in #debian-qt-kde too.. well you asked about it working with 0.5 right?
[19:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Sput (quassel upstream) is interested in the indicator, but has no time to do patches.  Can you pass this on to agateau?  Maybe he can help.
[19:15] <ScottK> dantti: yes.
[19:15] <ScottK> Wanting the authentication stuff.
[19:15] <dantti> ScottK: so the good news is that probably next week it will be working
[19:15] <ScottK> IIRC maco was going to help with some C part of what needed doing.
[19:15] <ScottK> dantti: Excellent.
[19:15] <dantti> since packagekit-qt does not need any polkit* stugg
[19:15] <dantti> *stuff
[19:16] <dantti> packagekitd handles all of that now..
[19:16] <apachelogger> ryanakca: nothing :P
[19:16] <apachelogger> neversfelde never gave his opinion
[19:16] <ScottK> Cool.
[19:16] <dantti> ScottK: i just need to update packagekit-qt and kpk cause the API was broken..
[19:17] <ScottK> dantti: OK.  If you need help getting stuff uploaded for Kubuntu, let me know
[19:17] <dantti> ScottK: apart from that today i'm releasing the last kpk 0.4.x..
[19:17] <dantti> ScottK: btw does pkexec works for you?
[19:17] <ScottK> You'll need to be more specific.
[19:18] <dantti> ScottK: try pkexec nano
[19:18]  * ScottK has about zero mental bandwidth to spare from work 
[19:18] <dantti> ScottK: it segfaults here..
[19:18] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Ah
[19:22] <ScottK> dantti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/252067/
[19:23] <dantti> ScottK: i see.. it works better than here..
[19:27] <ScottK> Riddell and NCommander: False alarm on armel.  The builds had been manually killed.
[19:27] <NCommander> ScottK, yeah :-/
[19:47] <nixternal> how do you block people in kopete? it is driving me up a damn wall
[19:48] <nixternal> nevermind, found the stupid plugin
[19:48] <emonkey> :)
[20:15] <slacker_nl> you guys been busy
[20:15] <slacker_nl> whole bunch of updates in karmic
[20:19] <nhn> in karmic, is there a known issue with atheros AR8113 network cards?
[20:20] <nhn> I just upgraded a laptop form jaunty, and now it has no networking at all
[20:20] <dantti> ScottK: btw, i've just updated kpk to 0.4.2 ;) if you are a packager
[20:20] <ScottK> dantti: I am, but Tonio_ has mostly been doing kpackagekit.  We're frozen until Thursday for a Alpha milestone release in any case.
[20:21] <dantti> ok
[20:22] <slacker_nl> nhn: i've had problems with networking as well, some network managers got started before anything else.. so my wireless didn't work and my static IP config became DHCP..
[20:22] <nhn> slacker_nl: well, the network card does not even show up in ifconfig
[20:23] <slacker_nl> i've chmod -x /etc/init.d/NetworkManager to remedy it
[20:23] <nhn> its just _dead_
[20:23] <slacker_nl> ahh
[20:23] <slacker_nl> what does dmesg say?
[20:23] <nhn> good question, sec
[20:23] <slacker_nl> i gtg
[20:24] <slacker_nl> my cats are probably eating eachother
[20:24] <Quintasan> Tonio_: ping
[20:24] <slacker_nl> nhn: but i would ask in #ubuntu+1 if more people have this issue, or on the forums, don't think this has something to do with kde :)
[20:24] <ScottK> seele and maco: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/repository/revisions/be5b9feef292531c3b92f9f115bd5a55f436bc97
[20:25] <nhn> slacker_nl: true
[20:25] <nhn> sorry
[20:25] <slacker_nl> np :)
[20:26] <slacker_nl> ScottK: do you know if not being able to login/logout/reboot/shutdown from kde would be considered a showstopper?
[20:26] <ScottK> Current logout problems on Intel are a known Intel bug.
[20:26] <slacker_nl> it is related to intel?
[20:27] <ScottK> For the Alpha milestone, not a showstopper.  For a final release, sure.
[20:27] <slacker_nl> ScottK: hehe, i ment for final ;) k, thnx
[20:27] <ScottK> There is an intel related logout hang
[20:27] <slacker_nl> mkay
[20:28] <slacker_nl> could be it, running intel here
[20:29] <slacker_nl> thnx
[20:30] <neversfelde> apachelogger: sorry, I did not make it, I am visiting my parents and I am very busy. I can have a closer look not before next week, but I can confirm that it is a weird thing.
[20:31] <seele> ScottK: "usability queen" huh? lol
[20:31] <seele> that's good though. agreed not the best label but better than buffers
[20:31] <apachelogger> neversfeldekk
[20:31] <apachelogger> hm, typing without looking isn't a good idea it seems
[20:31] <apachelogger> ryanakca: weird it is he confirms
[20:33] <maco> seele: if you want to keep your last name, good thing youre getting hitched soon. 50% of americans think you should be legally required to take justin's last name.http://www.feministing.com/archives/017214.html
[20:35] <seele> maco: i *am* keeping my last name
[20:35] <seele> it's silly to change it imo
[20:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: as a matter of fact, you might as well just backport kontrolpack 2.0.3, which is what I uploaded just now... bugfixes only, so it probably makes sense quality-wise ;-)
[20:35] <seele> any children can have his name i dont care
[20:38] <Quintasan> guys, anyone has USB 2.0 pendrive which works with full speed?
[20:40]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[20:41]  * ScottK hands apachelogger a seat belt.
[20:42]  * apachelogger is wondering why he only gets a seat belt but no airbag
[20:43] <Quintasan> oh, response from googledata cmake module author
[20:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: response on what?
[20:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: CMake modules mentions copyright but no license
[20:44] <apachelogger> poor modules :(
[20:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/akonadi-resource-googledata
[20:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: airbags are dangerous if you aren't going to fast.
[20:44] <apachelogger> oh
[20:44] <Quintasan> now to debian @_@
[20:44] <apachelogger> I like reviewied it
[20:44] <apachelogger> how cool is that :D
[20:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am sliding pretty fast, usually
[20:45] <ScottK> Worst hurt I ever got in a car accident was from the airbag.
[20:45]  * apachelogger decides to go to the hospital tomorrow
[20:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, nasty things them are
[20:46] <apachelogger> and expensive too
[20:55] <Quintasan> akonadi-resource-googledata is already in debian
[20:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is the module license == source license?
[20:58] <Quintasan> I don't think so
[20:58] <apachelogger> otherwise I must say sloppy that is
[20:58] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f148a150e
[20:59] <Quintasan> that's the 'license'
[21:02] <emonkey> apachelogger: there's a potential developer in #ubuntu-ch who's looking for an entry ...
[21:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan can give an intro
[21:03] <apachelogger> I am quite sure he's good at that :)
[21:03] <Quintasan> intro?
[21:03] <MayorA> (a shy "Hi" from a Newbie)
[21:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: a development intro ... kind-of
[21:04] <apachelogger> MayorA: ahoy
[21:04] <Quintasan> MayorA: hiho
[21:04] <MayorA> hi ...
[21:05] <emonkey> ^^ this guy I meant apachelogger :)
[21:05] <MayorA> I am just struggling myself through the wiki.ubuntu.com to figure out how to contribute as a developer
[21:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ^^ this is the guy emonkey meant :)
[21:05] <emonkey> *g*
[21:06] <MayorA> ohh ... it seems I am already known even before my first entry to this room
[21:06] <Quintasan> :D
[21:06] <Quintasan> MayorA: well, you can contribute in many ways but it looks like you want to do technical job
[21:06]  * emonkey "fault" ;)
[21:06] <apachelogger> oh well
[21:06] <apachelogger> devs know everything
[21:07] <MayorA> thanks emonkey, for introducing me
[21:07] <MayorA> oh .. then I am definitely no dev
[21:07] <emonkey> was a honor for me ;)
[21:07] <apachelogger> comes with the job
[21:07] <apachelogger> kind of like a super power
[21:07] <Quintasan> MayorA: I started with packaging, propably best way into ubuntu/debian development
[21:07]  * Quintasan is a Ninja
[21:08] <MayorA> whatever suits you best .... The first steps are really about getting involved
[21:08] <MayorA> and getting to know the workflows
[21:10] <MayorA> I have some experience in C, C++ and mainly Java, but also - quite some time ago - in Python
[21:10] <Quintasan> MayorA: Do you have Launchpad account with CoC signed?
[21:10] <MayorA> and: absolutely *no* experience in Linux packaging ;-)
[21:10] <MayorA> not yet ...
[21:11] <Quintasan> MayorA: don't worry, I started from scratch too :D
[21:11] <MayorA> Now I have ... MayorA
[21:11] <Quintasan> MayorA: So you should if you want to join kubuntu members someday
[21:13] <Quintasan> MayorA: If you want to do packaging you will be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[21:13] <MayorA> It seems that I will have to be approved by a Committee first ... ;-)
[21:13] <Quintasan> MayorA: not if you want to do packages
[21:13] <MayorA> I a least bookmarked that one before ...
[21:13] <Quintasan> MayorA: New packages go to REVU -> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com
[21:14] <Quintasan> There they are advocated by two MOTU's before they go to repos
[21:14] <Quintasan> You need a GPG and SSH key uploaded to Launchpad
[21:15] <Quintasan> Also I think signing Code of Conduct is a veru good idea.
[21:15] <Quintasan> MayorA: more links for you :#
[21:15] <Quintasan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[21:15] <MayorA> oh oh ... lots to do before actually starting with work
[21:16] <Quintasan> MayorA: That's easy, the fun begins with packaging :3
[21:16] <MayorA> I can imagine ;-)
[21:16] <Quintasan> We make a extensive use of pbuilder
[21:16] <Quintasan> MayorA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[21:16] <Quintasan> I'm afraid you will have to read it all :D
[21:17] <MayorA> My wife will hate me for that ... ;-)
[21:17] <Quintasan> I started going trough MOTU Getting Started
[21:17] <MayorA> I will do that ...
[21:17] <Quintasan> MayorA: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging
[21:17] <Quintasan> MayorA: Enjoy :D
[21:19] <MayorA> but when it will eventually get to the point of actually selecting a task ... will I have to contact somebody ...
[21:20] <Quintasan> MayorA: Hmm, I do it like this, pick a bug on LP, assing yourself to it, work on it, submit to REVU and wait for comments or advocates from MOTU's
[21:21] <Quintasan> MayorA: I started with packaging plasmoids, they are fairly easy and most time consuming part was determining license :)
[21:21] <MayorA> fine ... sounds reasonable
[21:22] <MayorA> license for what exactly ?
[21:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that said, before applying for MOTU you should have at least done one debhelper only package
[21:22] <apachelogger> MayorA: the source
[21:22] <Quintasan> okay... what? :O
[21:22] <apachelogger> MayorA: proper licensing is non-trivial unless you know how it is done, but we'll get to that once you have something up on REVU ;-)
[21:23] <apachelogger> 90% of the software out there is not properly licensed
[21:23] <MayorA> yes ... step after step ...
[21:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: rules, as it is meant to be without CDBS :P
[21:23] <Quintasan> omg, it's even possible?! :D
[21:23] <MayorA> I just thought that all what's developed for (K)Ubuntu is under GPL
[21:23] <Monika|K> apachelogger: what's a debhelper-only package? in contrast to what other kind of package?
[21:24] <apachelogger> oh man
[21:24] <apachelogger> Monika|K: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debian/rules
[21:24] <apachelogger> that is dh-only
[21:24] <Quintasan> MayorA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[21:24] <Quintasan> MayorA: You will be interested in those too :)
[21:25] <apachelogger> Monika|K: take a look at any plasma-widget to see a cdbs using rules
[21:25] <Monika|K> dh-only is harder? better?
[21:25] <apachelogger> well, you gotta have a bit of an understanding of makefiles to do dh-only
[21:26] <apachelogger> mostly cdbs is just a macro system that implements common debhelper stuff at a generic level, but since that doesn't always work (properly) you need to know on how to hook into cdbs, or implement the packaging from scratch
[21:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you showed me that and I thought "OMFG is I want to get into MOTU before end of the year I should start now. Maybe I will finish it before december"
[21:26] <apachelogger> otherwise you are pretty screwed if cdbs fails for whatever reason
[21:26] <Quintasan> just looking at it gives me a headache @_@
[21:27] <apachelogger> lol
[21:27] <apachelogger> grab some makefile intro and try to read that rules file, that might make it easier to understand ;-)
[21:28] <Monika|K> too bad we only learnt how to build rpms in uni ... and I even forgot that
[21:29] <MayorA> (humble question: are you guys using IDEs or are you still fiddling around with vi ?)
[21:29] <Quintasan> MayorA: Vim ftw!
[21:30] <MayorA> oh lala
[21:30] <Monika|K> KDevelop
[21:31] <MayorA> Monika|K: is that state of the art for Kubuntu dev ?
[21:31] <Monika|K> I'd say
[21:31] <MayorA> I'll give it a try ... after having been used to Eclipse
[21:32] <Monika|K> You can use Eclipse with the C++ plugins
[21:32] <apachelogger> vim is the state of the art :P
[21:32] <MayorA> Yes ... that's what I have been doing ... just using eclipse for everything
[21:32] <Quintasan> PROTIP: Vim > *
[21:32] <apachelogger> well, visualstudio pwns them all anyway :P
[21:33] <MayorA> never used VS since version 6.0
[21:33] <Monika|K> Isn't that from that evil company ... what's its name?
[21:33] <Quintasan> Micro$oft
[21:34] <apachelogger> still the bets IDE
[21:34] <Monika|K> ;-)
[21:34] <apachelogger> best even
[21:35] <MayorA> apachelogger: are you talking about VS or vim now ?? ;-)
[21:35] <apachelogger> VS
[21:35] <apachelogger> though vim comes close to it ;-)
[21:36] <MayorA> really? ... seems I have missed that one
[21:36] <Quintasan> my secret sources say Vim > VS
[21:36] <Quintasan> :3
[21:37] <Quintasan> but Vim ain't IDE
[21:37] <yuriy> apachelogger: as long as you don't get near the designer I might just agree. but the winforms designer is evil
[21:37] <apachelogger> well, winforms are evil themselfs
[21:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: just tweak it a bit
[21:37] <Quintasan> urgh, talking about windows in #kubuntu-devel
[21:37] <yuriy> nah not evil, just pathetic
[21:38] <Quintasan> :O
[21:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: IIRC there was a blog post on planet kde about tweaking it towards that some time ago
[21:51] <MayorA> Quintasan: you wrote "You need a GPG and SSH key uploaded to Launchpad" ... I am trying to figure out where I could possibly do such a thing
[21:52] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~<yourusername>/+edit
[21:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: to which section rockboxutility should belong?
[21:53] <apachelogger> utils maybe
[21:54] <dtchen> MayorA: specifically, https://launchpad.net/~you/+editpgpkeys and https://launchpad.net/~you/+editsshkeys
[21:54] <MayorA> thanks thanks .... Oh my god ...
[21:54] <MayorA> I looked for a profile link or whatever
[21:55] <MayorA> but never thought of clicking my nick at the top of the  page ...
[21:55] <MayorA> (it's getting late)
[22:01] <Quintasan> urgh
[22:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: There is a shitload of contributors listed, can I put Rockbox Contributors and mail to their devel list or do I have to put some names?
[22:02] <apachelogger> technically all of them
[22:02] <Quintasan> O_O
[22:03] <apachelogger> however, if there are really a billion of them you might consider piping it through licensecheck or whatever the script is called and use it's output
[22:03] <apachelogger> that is of course if everything is using the same license
[22:03] <Quintasan> everything is under GPL 2
[22:04] <Quintasan> GPL-2+ and UNKNOWN
[22:05] <Quintasan> ah, GPL-2
[22:06] <apachelogger> then you might use the piping
[22:10] <Quintasan> HURRDURR
[22:10] <Quintasan> no emails
[22:10] <Quintasan> >_<
[22:11]  * smarter once spend days tracking all the names and emails of developers for a copyright file :p
[22:19] <Quintasan> -_-
[22:20] <Quintasan> ./rbutilqt/zlib/zlib.h: zlib/libpng
[22:20] <Quintasan> and header says "All files in this archive are subject to the GNU General Public License"
[22:20] <Quintasan> then I lol
[22:20] <Quintasan> 'd
[22:30] <Riddell> hol guacamole, qt has built on every architecture, how did it manage that?
[22:31] <davmor2> Riddell: pure unadulterated will power
[22:31] <Quintasan> Let's party!
[22:31] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for everyone
[22:31]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get cookies for everyone - might take some time.
[22:31]  * kubotu is back and slides cookies down the bar to everyone
[22:32] <Quintasan> kubotu: order vodka if (age>18)
[22:32]  * kubotu slides vodka if (age>18) down the bar to Quintasan
[22:32] <Quintasan> :<
[22:32]  * Quintasan failed
[22:34] <yuriy> this bot is not legal in the US
[22:36] <apachelogger> who cares about the US anyway :P
[22:44] <Quintasan> WTF?
[22:44] <maco> wtf what?
[22:44] <Quintasan> debuild complains about missing separator in default rules file :O
[22:44] <maco> Riddell: i wouldnt mind some of that guacamole, by the way..
[22:45] <Quintasan> debian/rules:22: *** missing separator (TAB instead 8 spaces?). Stop.
[22:45] <maco> and?
[22:45] <Quintasan> and I can't start building?
[22:45] <Quintasan> inserting TAB there doesn't help
[22:46] <maco> i think it saying you have an extra tab where you shouldnt
[22:53] <Quintasan> hmm, debuild -S -s -k$GPGKEY starts with clean and it fails because I didn't build it yet, how do I ommit clean?
[23:06] <ScottK> -nc