=== asac_ is now known as asac [01:42] Riddell in bed at 23:30? wow.. so early [02:29] Not sure if it's needed, but could someone re ack bug 410400 please? [02:29] Launchpad bug 410400 in ubuntu "Sync frescobaldi 0.7.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410400 === ryanakca is now known as Guest66699 === Guest66699 is now known as ryanakca [03:11] what the heck is going on with the network manager? [03:11] i thought i read some placei twas getting re-written? [03:12] how does one connect with knetworkmanager? [03:12] no idea, i can't get my mini 9 to detect any wireless [03:12] It seems to be working correctly, but it doesn't connect to my network [03:12] aaarg [03:12] * jjesse hates it [03:14] i see why [03:27] * ScottK suggests ifup and ifdown for now. maco is an expert and can give advice. [03:50] It would be really handy if someone would make quassel apport aware. [04:03] I fixed this launchpad bug 412136 in bzr [04:03] Launchpad bug 412136 in konq-plugins "package konq-plugins-l10n (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konq-plugins/index.cache.bz2', which is also in package konq-plugins" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412136 [04:04] if someone wants upload... [04:05] * ScottK looks [04:09] lex79: Shouldn't it be Vcs-bzr? [04:09] yes :) [04:10] * ScottK will fix it [04:10] ScottK: thanks :) [04:12] It gets rid of the evil ~ppax ending too. [04:12] As an added bonus [04:12] eheheh [05:16] lex79: I'm asking about uploading it due to the Alpha 4 freeze. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are Kubuntu | Main archive frozen for Alpha 4 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [05:21] you can upload it after freeze for me === nellery_ is now known as nellery === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [07:48] Ive a grumble bug with arora, probably can be fixed by sorting the .desktop file, but yeah. when you have an aurora window open and select arora from kmenu, then a new one doesnt open, just flashes the one you have open. Ill pop it in LP soon, just actually wanted to grumble... :D [08:45] wow, loving the trafic here today :D === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [09:28] Riddell: what's going on with the kubuntu dvd's? [10:14] 555555555 [10:15] davmor2: I don't know, do we care about DVDs yet? [10:16] Riddell: I don't they take to long to test but others might have a word with slangasek [10:17] they're oversized currently [10:18] Riddell: isn't everything oversized at the minute? [10:19] no, you must be mistaking us with that bloated ubuntu desktop variant [10:19] * Riddell ducks [10:49] Is there anyone working on unbreaking knetworkmanager in karmic again? [10:51] asac and awe are [10:51] hunger: what are your symptoms? [10:52] asac: knetworkmanager not being able to connect to anything (neither wlan nor wired). [10:52] yes [10:52] i debugged this thing the whole night just to find myself digging deep in kde service infrastrcuture [10:52] and finding out that there are a bunch of packages not installed that are needed [10:52] asac: The only thing I see is this in syslog: [10:52] so i basically wasted all night hunting down issues that are not the real issue [10:52] user_connection_get_settings_cb(): user_connection_get_settings_cb: Invalid connection: 'NMSettingConnection' / 'uuid' invalid: 1 [10:53] hunger: where do you see that? [10:53] /var/log/syslog [10:53] Whenever I try to do anything with knetworkmanager. [10:53] Riddell: you need at least to depend on workspace-data-bin and etc [10:53] err kdebase-workspace-bin [10:54] Riddell: that one broke my neck yesterday [10:54] at least i understand the complete kde stuff now i think [10:54] rofl [10:54] at least anything [10:55] asac: That is installed here. [10:55] yes. because you have the full kubuntu stuff installed [10:55] but i am a gnome guy and was supposed to work on this [10:56] I don't have kdebase-workspace and kdespace-workspace-wallpapers installed, but every other workspace deb (excluding -dbg and -dev). [10:56] and it took me quite some time to figure out that the reason that everything is broken is that solid doesnt find the NM backend at all [10:56] which happens because this workspace crap isnt installed [10:57] hunger: i dont think your problem are depends. you see the problem i was supposed to work on last night [10:57] asac: My impression is that NM has changed interfaces again... [10:57] hunger: the dbus interfaces didnt change at all [10:57] but [10:57] i would like to add some debugging to the error you are seeing [10:57] let me check [10:57] They always seem to do that whenever KDE starts to work with it. [10:58] hunger: well i am more NM than kde and after this nightmare tonight i know that the reason is kde trying to make a rocket science out of it [10:58] etc. [10:58] asac: There are D-Bus changes in the move from hal to libgudev. I assume ubuntu has those. [10:58] they add an abstraction to the kdeabase system .... which naturally means they will not be able to fix things until NM changes again; ) [10:58] hunger: the dbus api didnt change for anything related to wired/wireless [10:59] asac: Well, gnome is linux (or at least unix) only, kde is not. They need that. [10:59] hunger: can you please run dbus-monitor-system 2>&1 | tee /tmp/dbus.log.txt [10:59] hunger: they dont need that i can assure you ;) [10:59] * Riddell wonders if it would be easier to just write a no-extra-abstractions NM frontend in pykde [11:00] anyway no point arguing [11:00] thats how it is ;) [11:00] I don't have dbus-monitor-system installed. Which deb is that in? [11:00] hunger: dbus-monitor --system [11:03] shtylman: timezone page in ubiquity-frontend-kde broken, anything that's changed there recently? http://paste.ubuntu.com/251852/ [11:07] asac: dbus-monitor --system is mostly silent. [11:07] A couple of signals are send by NM, but nothing is going into it:-) [11:08] I did not get anything in syslog this time either. [11:08] hunger_: please killal knetworkmanager [11:08] hunger_: hmm. [11:09] I did killall nm-applet, started knetworkmanager, tried to connect to the wlan again, then did killall knetworkmanger and started nm-applet again to report back here. [11:09] i observed the same yesterday. ActivateConnection doesnt go over the wire [11:09] i switch from async to sync and then it does, but then the applet cannot answer the request for the user connection [11:09] (which i thought was the syslog message you are seeing) [11:10] hunger_: ok so maybe the message was triggered by nm-applet [11:10] Well, this time there was no syslog entry. [11:11] A while back I had syslog entries about wpasupplicant doing something... [11:11] yes. but that happens for scanning etc. [11:11] not related [11:11] But I think that was with the kde 4.3 beta debs. [11:12] asac: I think not. It was something about doing a handshake and going from there to "disconnected" again. [11:12] so the culprid is really what i found yesterday. something is fishy about the ActivateConnection dbus call ... which seems to never go oever the wire [11:13] hunger_: paste the section from syslog you refer to [11:13] But as I said, I think I saw that a while back with beta debs or an older NM or something. [11:13] i can probably interpret that [11:13] ah [11:13] Might pop up again once the applet talks to the NM again:-) [11:14] It was a plasmoid back then anyway, not this tray icon thingy that is in karmic now. [11:18] asac: you want to tell that to wstephenson on #kde-devel [11:22] sebas: i know him. its just that he wasnt there the whole night [11:23] yeah, he sleeps at night, as opposed to some others ;-) [11:23] heh. right. [11:49] * Riddell has no idea where to start on this ubiquity timezone issue [11:49] davmor2: ubiquity broken for KDE, no point trying kubuntu stuff [12:00] Riddell: nothing that changed recently that shouldn't have been tested [12:00] Riddell: I will look at it after work today [12:01] Riddell: ahh...evand says that the timezones were changed to support translations...I will just update the kubuntu code to work with it now [12:03] shtylman: it looks like there's a fair diff of changes there, and our timezone code isn't really in sync with gtk so it's not just copy/paste [12:06] Riddell: right...but I don't think it should be too bad...just figure out how they are reporting timezones now...and handle that appropriately [12:22] I take it we have candidate ISOs now? [12:28] ScottK: read 6 lines above "ubiquity broken for KDE" :( [12:28] a|wen-dtu: Thanks. [12:28] Very early here. [12:29] i guess so ... past lunch here already [12:31] Riddell: QUuid is odd ... it creates a UUID with a {} sourrounding [12:31] which variant creates one without that? [12:31] http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/quuid.html#Variant-enum [12:31] {67C8770B-44F1-410A-AB9A-F9B5446F13EE} [12:31] -> thats not a valid uuid [12:32] it should be 67C8770B-44F1-410A-AB9A-F9B5446F13EE [12:32] maybe its QUuid::NCS ? [12:32] that creates the right thing? [12:32] and yes. i finally managed that NM tries to connect ;) [12:36] Riddell: how long ago were these changes made? had to be pretty recent.... but I havn't touched ubiquity in about a wekk [12:36] *week [12:47] Any idea how long this will take to fix? I want to try and fix the kwin theme for plamsa-netbook if there is time (a couple of hours). [12:47] shtylman or Riddell: ^^^? [12:51] shtylman: yes recent, see mterry's merge [12:52] asac: that's the qt 3 API, try http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/quuid.html [12:55] Riddell: well. what i se is that it wrapps the uuid with { ... [12:56] thats the first bug [12:56] now i worked aroudn that on NM side ... next thing is that the passphrase is trashed [12:56] currently trying to get debug output from the wallet parts [12:57] knetworkmanager doesnt send my psk, but plain garbage even though the psk is properly in the wallet [12:58] at least the UUID didnt work for sure in latest 0.7.1 snapshot we had. so not so sure if it really worked [12:58] actually now checked. it worked in 0.7.1 final. but not in 0.7.1 latest (which is what we had afaik) [12:59] actually i think i am now at the place where you had been before. it works, but nothing with secrets works [12:59] Riddell: sure 0.7.1 worked for WPA-PSK? [12:59] Progress. [13:00] asac: it did for me, that doesn't mean it did for anyone else of course [13:00] Riddell: wpa-psk? [13:00] oh no [13:00] wep [13:00] ah ok [13:00] that might be different beast [13:00] yeah quite likely [13:01] i think wpa-psk is in heritently broken [13:01] currently try to figure where it trashes the stuff it gets from the wallet [13:01] but its just uninitialized garbage afaict [13:01] Riddell: if you could figure how to get QUuid to produce a valid uuid on toString that would be precious [13:02] i can ask on -devel again, but they are not that responsive ;) [13:02] let me check there ;) [13:13] O_O [13:13] reading from uninitialized memory? oy [13:15] so um i think quasselclient has some sort of resource hogging issue. specifically: it was reading 1.2MB/s from disk accordint to iotop (yes, reading, not swapping) [13:16] (swapping is a different column) [13:16] once disconnected, that stopped and oh yeah, suddenly Xorg wasnt being bombarded with requests anymore and stopped pegging my CPU. i'm thinking those two are related. [13:21] oO [13:21] wow that sound stressy for the system [13:22] when my wireless driver is using 100% cpu and X is using 60% cpu and quasselclient is doing tons of reads.... yeah [13:22] AND kontact was doing a sync using 30 of the remaining 40% cpu [13:29] It would be really handy if someone could make the quassel dgb or dbgsym packages produce a backtrace with actual, usable symbols in them or alternately teach Quassel about apport. [13:35] a silly question: firefox gives me that warning on colsole: "(npviewer.bin:3962): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtcurve.so: classe ELF errata: ELFCLASS64" is a npviewer or a libqtcurve bug? Or not a bug at all? [13:36] s/classe ELF errata/wrong ELF class/ [13:41] ScottK: current dbg pkgs broken or nonexistent ? [13:42] maco: Broken. [13:42] maco: Lots of # 8 quasselclient 0x081436a1 0x00000000 [13:43] hi folks [13:43] what's the perspective of KDE folks on Clutter? [13:43] there are C++ bindings, clutter-qt etc, but how well received is it? [13:43] intel and nokia have said they would collaborate around clutter too, iirc [13:43] sabdfl: clutter being purely opengl is a problem [13:44] agreed [13:44] sabdfl: QGraphicsView provides the scenegraph stuff already, and it has fallbacks for all kinds of graphics systems [13:44] So it uses whatever acceleration is there already [13:44] Or none at all :) [13:45] all very nice but... if an ISV does not want to implement everything twice, can they use clutter and ship on KDE, acceptable? [13:45] and in Kubuntu, in particular? [13:45] The animation framework looks interesting, but then that's planned to enter QGraphicsView in the 4.6 release (planned end of this year) [13:45] saying "hey, we will NIH that" is not a good answer [13:45] I don't know how feasible clutter is exactly, but functionality wise, it's more or less a subset of what QGV does [13:46] So I'd advice for QGV (but of course I'm biased) [13:46] Qt is more wide-spread than clutter as well [13:46] So it's more "available" / "already there" [13:48] How feasible it would be to ship a clutter-based component in kubuntu, I don't know [13:49] Would need investigation (dependencies? Integration with other components? think theming, for example, but possibly shortcuts, other user interaction stuff and networking as well [13:50] clutter-based components would be less likely to end up upstream which is also a negative for kubuntu since one of our goals is to remain as close to upstream as possible [13:53] clutter = the launcher in unr? [13:55] clutter-qt depends on cairo and gdk so it's brining in new stuff that wouldn't be acceptable to KDE and would have to bring notable advantage to Kubuntu [13:56] And would have to displace something else from the CD. [13:56] Is Qt already on the Ubuntu CD? [13:57] no [13:57] ok [13:58] sebas: clutter is a bit more than just QGV as I understand it, it includes stuff along the lines that Qt is doing with Qt Declarative [13:58] yah, the declarative UI stuff ... haven't looked closely at that yet [14:00] maco: clutter is the animation framework used for that, but the launcher is a separate bit of code [14:02] ok [14:30] shtylman: how are you getting on? [14:35] Anybody have a list of websites broken in konqueror / arora? [14:35] ryanakca: define "broken" [14:35] "not rendering as intended" [14:35] * ryanakca nods [14:38] We've all heard about /. from Riddell and Konqueror [14:38] The most broken thing I've seen with Arora was the mimetype stuff and that seems ~ fixed. [14:40] Riddell: Well, /. works in Dooble ;) [14:42] spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org on arora has stuff overlapping vertically where firefox does not [14:44] So does GMail... which is nice. The spreadubuntu link doesn't have any overlap but the page looks rather busy [14:46] Riddell: ok we fixed it.o we need workspace/solid update to trunk and networkmanager/trunk in a few minutes (after the fix got committed) [14:47] Riddell: sorry. not workspace/solid to trunk ... to latest 4.3 [14:47] Riddell: i guess its too late for this alpha, but having packages somewhere so i can verify that thats really enough would be great [14:48] ScottK: did you see my earlier arora grumble? [14:48] mind, I could probably give you 10 papercuts re arora [14:49] Could someone re'ack bug 410400 for frescobaldi version 0.7.13 please? [14:50] Launchpad bug 410400 in ubuntu "Sync frescobaldi 0.7.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410400 [14:50] ryanakca: hmm? the RSS icons in the row of links in top right overlap the stuff above by a couple pixels. and the "powerd by ubuntu" badge overlaps "create materials" just above it by a whole line of text. and also: why the heck is it in spanish when i view it in arora? [14:51] maco: *shrug* [14:51] ryanakca: The video linked in http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081003055.html works on arora (as backported), but not Konqueror in Jaunty. [14:53] maco: Do you see it here? http://imagebin.ca/view/cfwz4JJf.html [14:55] ryanakca: testbuild done on karmic? [14:56] a|wen-dtu: No, I built that on jaunty. I don't have a package ready yet... [14:56] ryanakca: it was re: frescobaldi [14:56] ryanakca: oh...no it looks fine on yours [14:57] a|wen-dtu: I believe so. I'll rebuild just to make sure... [14:58] asac_: ok I can put workspace/solid 4.3 branch into a PPA [14:59] asac_: by networkmanager/trunk do you mean network manager or plasma/applet/networkmanager ? [14:59] =) [15:00] Riddell: you can confuse me. whatever branch you gave me. its the plasma tree with the monolithic in [15:00] but the patch is not yet committed so wait for that branch a few more minutes [15:00] but workspace definitly needs to be updated [15:00] asac_: right, just checking the fix is in the KDE side not the backend [15:00] Riddell: also the applet package _must_ depend on workspace-bin [15:01] i wasted half of my night because of that ;) [15:01] ryanakca: this is what i see: http://i30.tinypic.com/32zpezm.jpg [15:01] * asac_ writes a wiki page on how to do upstream development now [15:01] Riddell: the fix for the applet is http://pastebin.com/f40bece32 [15:01] I wonder if we have other packages that miss that dependency [15:01] probably ;) [15:02] ryanakca: thats a couple days old, and english. i guess its just in spanish that the text overlaps too [15:02] its not shlibs tracked ;) [15:02] Riddell: do you use cdbs? we could make a default kde thing that always adds it [15:02] like ${kde:Depends} [15:03] Riddell: ok fix committed r1010448 [15:03] Riddell: the workspace update will fix WPA-PSK too ... so it will be better than before now ;) [15:03] and probably even EAP [15:04] * asac_ needs to get an AP with enterprise support [15:06] Riddell: i guess you directly grab through ssh? the mirrors take a bit i was told to absorb that commit [15:06] yes I am [15:06] a|wen-dtu: built fine. Did you want to test the package too? [15:07] Riddell: ok so if r1010448 is there for you, you can just bump both packages to latest branch tips [15:07] next time i understand how to do things ;) [15:11] great work asac_. I was pulling my hair out over the whole NM and broken wireless :) [15:16] ryanakca: I trust you this time around ... looked at the .11 version [15:16] ok brain dumped to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopingKNetworkManager [15:49] asac_: ooh ooh, I got it to work [15:50] have I ever mentioned you're a genius? [15:51] Riddell: nope ;) [15:51] but i feel happy now [15:51] hard time for me. but now i know how to do kde stuff ;) [15:51] thanks very much [15:51] welcome. [15:52] Riddell: i think just the applet will fix the new problem [15:52] so you might want to get that in [15:52] the wpa issue is only fixed by workspace which probably has to wait i gues [15:53] but better try. i think the upstream changed some id values again which might cause a mismatch if not both are upgraded [15:53] Riddell: but just the patch i pasted on top of current applet should work [15:53] at least it did for me with fridays workspace checkout [15:54] SInce we're waiting on Ubiquity anyway, it'd be nice to get it all working. [15:54] yeah I think I'll just upload [15:54] i am not a release manager ;) [15:54] asac: Thanks for working on the KDE part of the problem. I appreciate it. [15:54] Yes, but Riddell is on ubuntu-release, so we can't get in trouble if he uploads it. [15:55] sure. trouble is also relative ;) [15:55] its about not blocking slangasek by throwing something in without checking [15:55] with him [15:55] I think he's asleep right now. [15:55] but if you say that there is something still pending, then fine i guess [15:56] Ubiquity currently broken in KDE. [15:56] shtylman is working on it. [15:57] yeah. for me network being completely broken qualifies as a release bug that alpha periods are ment to fix ;) [15:58] "is kubuntu karmic stable?" "as long as you dont need the internet" [15:59] and can't type ifup [15:59] Riddell: Actually I see slangasek is awake and speaking. [16:00] ScottK: if ifup ever stops working ill be very unhappy [16:01] seele: new film by the guy that wrote Princess Mononoke being screened at the Japanese Embassy tonight [16:01] maco: Ponyo? [16:01] yeah [16:02] this is the one night i have nothing to do, i'll have to pass [16:02] havent had a night at home in a while :) [16:03] ok [16:05] karmic stable?? lol [16:05] the last stable release of Kubuntu is 8.04 i think [16:06] asac: network-manager Recommends: network-manager-gnome | plasma-widget-network-manager, dnsmasq-base [16:06] asac: could you change that to plasma-widget-networkmanagement [16:09] Riddell: can we rename the package to knetworkmanager again ;)? [16:09] noo, not another rename! [16:09] heh [16:09] lol, what's in a name [16:09] I thought knetworkmanager was what we wanted? [16:09] yes [16:10] ScottK-laptop: its messy: upstream gave up on plasma-widget for now and added knetworkmanager code to the same tree [16:10] i am asking to use knetworkmanager package as name and not plasma ... which is so confusing ;) [16:10] I really don't want to rename it again when the plasma-widget will come back at some point anyway [16:10] and it's all the same code tree [16:10] Riddell: right. but we will have two working applets then [16:10] so we need two packages [16:11] at least thatss how I understood it ;) [16:11] Riddell: Just call in knetworkmanager and have it provide plasma-widget-network-management for now [16:11] alos laste LTS folks still have knetworkmanager [16:11] so if we keep that they will not even see the back and forth ;) [16:11] asac: Hardy wasn't LTS for Kubuntu [16:11] hmm. yeah. but are you sure that update-manager doesnt think so? [16:11] they're both in one package, and it's called plasma-widget-networkmanagement [16:12] for LTS it doesnt offer upgrade to intrepid for instance ... thats what mvo told me. just when next LTS is out [16:22] committed network-manager fix to ubuntu.head branch [16:24] Riddell: according to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/konversation/konversation_1.2~alpha6-0ubuntu1/changelog, you integrated my indicator patches to Konversation, but I don't see any dependency on libindicate-qt. Is this normal? [16:29] >apt-cache show konversation | grep indi [16:29] Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.3.0), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.3.0), kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.3.0), libc6 (>= 2.4), libindicate-qt0,.. [16:29] agateau: the dependency got picked up [16:33] Riddell: oh ok, that'll teach me I should not trust packages.ubuntu.com :) [16:33] Riddell: so it made it to alpha3? [16:34] agateau: yes it's in alpha 4 (due tomorrow) [16:35] maybe davmor2 can test it [16:35] Riddell: great, thanks a lot for integrating it [16:35] agateau: I'm going to e-mail the konversation guys about the patches, can I tell them you'll get the patches having libindicate as an option sometime soon? [16:35] test what sorry [16:36] Riddell: it's in my TODO list at least [16:36] davmor2: message indicator display in panel with konversation talking to it [16:36] but not very high for now :/ [16:37] does conversation support bonjour? [16:37] agateau: We did discuss at the Kubuntu meeting yesterday it being optional/not by default and upstreamed as conditions for the patches to stay for more than just testing. === RIddelll is now known as Riddelll [16:38] ScottK: it is already optional [16:38] ScottK: and upstreamed is on my list [16:40] Riddell: Do we need this xsplash thing that lool was talking about on #ubuntu-release? [16:40] Obviously not for Alpha 4, but for after. [16:41] ScottK: we probably need something. xsplash is a GTK app so has far more dependencies than our own ksplashx [16:41] OK. So we have something already? [16:41] so really we want ksplashx to be started as our pre-login splash [16:41] * ScottK isn't entirely clear on what it is. [16:42] it's the new pre-login splash, the idea is X will start up very soon (within 3 seconds of boot) so no usplash [16:42] I wonder why it's named as xsplash if it's GTK [16:43] Riddell: OK. As long as we have a plan. I wanted to make sure we weren't missing out. [16:43] it's only a rough plan, I need to look into how it would be implemented [16:47] davmor2: kopete should support Bonjour I think [16:48] Looks like we're back in business on armel. [16:48] Riddell: ignore me I was slightly off my troll then :) [16:48] libs and libs-experimental are built. [16:52] Riddell: What happened to the opendesktop applet? [16:52] and why does ublog have the word configure over it after it has been configured? [16:54] davmor2: I got tid of opendesktop applet, it was impossible to make it do anything useful without manual configuration so there's no point in having it on the desktop by default [16:55] Riddell: Konversation isn't install by default is it? [16:55] agateau: I'm going to blog about the message indicator if that's ok [16:55] davmor2: not currently [16:55] agateau: shall I say that we want to get it into kdeplasma-addons? [16:56] agateau: oh and should I say that individual apps will need patches or do you think the knotify stuff will go somewhere? [16:57] Riddell: "want" may sound a bit arrogant, no? we could say we think it would be nice to have it in kdeplasma-addons [16:57] Riddell: no the knotify stuff is not going anywhere :/ [16:57] Riddell: good idea to blog on this [16:57] shtylman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412589 [16:57] Launchpad bug 412589 in ubiquity "timezone page broken in KDE frontend" [Undecided,New] [16:58] mterry says he can fix [16:58] Riddell: we should maybe also mention the "Incoming Message" applet [16:58] agateau: what's that? [16:58] (mailing his author is still in my todo) [16:59] oh right, the current one that's in KDE [16:59] Riddell: the applet you shown me at Dublin [16:59] yes [16:59] Meh that was weird I closed down kopete's window for bonjour and it crashed out pidgin on my main jaunty box meh [16:59] davmor2: remote crash! [17:01] * agateau likes the fact that Riddell blogs before he can convince himself to do so :) [17:01] Riddell: ping me please [17:01] hi tester_ [17:01] lol [17:01] you need to have konversation not in focus tester_ [17:04] ok ubiquity upload happening shortly, it'll be a long night of testing I think [17:04] Riddell: if I release a new version of plasma-indicatordisplay, do you think you can upload it for alpha4? [17:05] agateau: what's new? [17:06] - the menu contains less empty space [17:06] - the menu does not embed itself in the panel anymore [17:06] (previously, the menu could embed itself in the panel if the panel was large enough) [17:07] agateau: do you have it immediately? [17:07] Riddell: just need to change the version in CMakeLists.txt, run make dist and upload the tarball [17:08] but all changes are already in LP [17:08] agateau: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4043 [17:08] RiddellI don't see an option named that in konversation [17:08] davmor2: no Message Indicator in settings -> configure konversation ? [17:09] Riddell: looks good [17:09] no for notifications I have tabs/highlight/watched nicks/osd/warnings [17:09] Riddell: nicely demonstrate the need for a smaller menu popup, though :/ [17:11] Riddell: I have configure notifictaions [17:11] huh, where's it gone? [17:13] Riddell: this is on version 1.2~alpha6-0ubuntu1 is that correct and I'm on 64bit [17:14] the patches aren't being applied [17:14] Riddell: so packages.ubuntu.com did not lie eventually :/ [17:15] jon removed quilt from debian/rules [17:15] agateau: What happened with the knotify idea? [17:15] this is why I don't advocate doing merges in the middle of a release cycle, mistakes will always happen [17:15] ScottK: the idea was to create indicators as one of the knotify output, [17:15] ScottK: but it did not map well with the way indicators work: [17:16] ScottK: an app usually has one indicator server, which contains zero or more indicators [17:16] ScottK: there is no hierarchy like this in knotify [17:16] ScottK: so it was not possible to do interesting thing like switching to the right channel when activating an indicator [17:17] Well I think doing the indicator as an application function and not a system function is going to make it harder overall. [17:17] agateau: got a tar yet? [17:17] ScottK: true, but it allow for a much tighter integration [17:17] Riddell: about to upload [17:18]