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[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:00] <barry> hello everybody and welcome to this week's ameu reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <gary_poster> me
[15:00] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:00] <bac> me
[15:00] <noodles775> me
[15:00] <adeuring> me
[15:00] <barry> we have apologies from rockstar and jtv
[15:00] <intellectronica> me
[15:00] <henninge> me, what time zone is 9:00 anyway?
[15:00] <salgado> me
[15:01] <bac> CDT
[15:01] <deryck> me
[15:01] <bac> er, central daylight, henninge
[15:01] <henninge> bac: why, servers running there?
[15:01] <bac> must be EdwinGrubbs
[15:01] <barry> bigjools sends apologies for soyuz folks, who may be late
[15:02]  * barry wonders if any non-canonical folks are joining us today
[15:02] <danilos> me
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:03] <barry> * Roll call
[15:03] <barry>  * Action items
[15:03] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:03] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:03] <barry>  
[15:03] <barry> let me start today by thanking bac for chairing the meetings while i was out
[15:03] <gary_poster> yay bac!
[15:03] <henninge> way to go bac!
[15:03] <bac> it was no problem, barry.
[15:04] <bac> barry: you'll note we were done in twenty one minutes both weeks!
[15:04] <barry> bac: i think i will let you chair every time there are outstanding actions :)
[15:04] <barry> bac: let's beat that record today! :)
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:04] <barry> nothing!  wow, thanks everyone!
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring update
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentoring update
[15:05] <barry> i think it's fantastic that leonardr graduated and that now all coders are reviewers.  i want to keep this item on the agenda for when wgrant applies for mentat status :)
[15:05] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:05] <barry> any other comments on mentoring before i move on?
[15:06] <barry> [TOPIC] peanut gallery
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  peanut gallery
[15:06] <intellectronica> perhaps just to remind that a similar program is now going on with ui reviews
[15:06] <barry> intellectronica: right!  thanks.  to the extent that we can share wisdom or there's overlap it might be good to have a summary of those meetings over here
[15:07] <barry> intellectronica: would you like to be the bridge between the two groups, at least until i get mentored over there? <wink>
[15:07] <gary_poster> there's a move afoot (in the softarch CoP) to try and get a company-wide guideline for reviews.  I pointed them to our stuff.  Some of it needs to be transferred from the old-old wiki, not just the old wiki!
[15:07] <intellectronica> sure
[15:07] <barry> intellectronica: thanks
[15:08] <barry> gary_poster: yes, +1  i think we need to give that as an action for someone.  does anybody want to volunteer?
[15:08] <barry> i will do it then :)
[15:08] <gary_poster> I'll probably volunteer next week if nobody does this week :-)
[15:08] <gary_poster> oh ok, nm ;-)
[15:09] <barry> curses!
[15:09] <gary_poster> lol
[15:09] <barry> gary_poster: maybe we can both take an action on that?
[15:09] <gary_poster> actually I had that written and was just waiting to see someone else volunteer ;-)
[15:09] <gary_poster> sure
[15:09]  * barry must remember to read /more/ email during these meetings
[15:09] <gary_poster> lol
[15:10] <barry> [ACTION] gary_poster and barry will transfer review guidelines from the old{1,2} wiki to the new wiki
[15:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  gary_poster and barry will transfer review guidelines from the old{1,2} wiki to the new wiki
[15:10] <gary_poster> barry, I won't have time between now and next mtg, which was why I said that, but am happy to work on it next wk.
[15:10] <barry> gary_poster: cool, np
[15:10] <barry> thanks
[15:11] <barry> anyway, there's nothing else on the agenda.  does anybody have any other topics for today?
[15:11] <barry> 5
[15:12] <barry> 4
[15:12] <danilos> short and sweet, I guess
[15:12] <barry> 3
[15:12] <barry> 2
[15:12] <barry> 1
[15:12] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:12.
[15:12] <danilos> good job barry, thanks all
[15:12] <barry> thanks everyone.  a new record :)
[15:12] <sinzui> new record
[15:12] <bac> thanks barry
[15:12] <danilos> ;)
[15:12] <gary_poster> :-) thanks
[23:31] <barry> #startmeeting
[23:31] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:31. The chair is barry.
[23:31] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:31] <barry> hi everyone and welcome to this week's asiapac reveiwers meeting.  who's here today?
[23:31] <rockstar> ni!
[23:31] <rockstar> wgrant, ping
[23:31] <barry> wgrant: you are welcome to lurk or join in!
[23:31] <barry> thumper, jml ping
[23:32] <wgrant> me!
[23:32] <barry> \o/
[23:32] <rockstar> barry, jml is traipsing around Europe this week.
[23:32] <thumper> barry: hi
[23:32] <barry> rockstar: gotcha
[23:32] <thumper> rockstar: shh
[23:32] <barry> so...
[23:32] <thumper> barry: jml is unavailable :)
[23:32] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[23:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[23:32] <barry> ;)
[23:33] <barry> well it was a very short ameu meeting, so to summarize...
[23:33] <barry> intellectronica is going to keep these teams abreast of what happens in the new ui reviewer meetings
[23:33] <barry> at least until i s/mentat/reviewer/
[23:34] <barry> gary_poster and /me will work on transferring review guidelines from the old old wiki and old wiki to the new wiki
[23:34] <barry> that's about it
[23:34] <barry> we don't really have any action items, so let me open things up to y'all
[23:34] <rockstar> To be honest, I think we should actually have a section lead by the UI reviewers in the reviewer meetings, instead of the super sekrit phone call.
[23:34] <barry> what's been going on and what's on your mind?
[23:35] <rockstar> That way, we can involve the community more.
[23:35] <gary_poster> [peanut gallery] rockstar: +1 in theory
[23:35] <barry> rockstar: i'd be in favor of that
[23:35] <rockstar> gary_poster, why not in practice?
[23:35] <gary_poster> (in theory simply because I haven't thought about the practicalities too much)
[23:36] <rockstar> gary_poster, yeah, but I think having that interaction between UI reviewers should be a bit more public.  I think the phone call should be for keeping the teams up to date with other UI matters.
[23:37] <rockstar> Also, another thing that came up in a review with thumper yesterday.
[23:37] <rockstar> In the new views, we have to implement a page_title attribute.  Sometimes this is a function.
[23:38] <rockstar> In generic edit views, we also need a label attribute, which can also be an @property
[23:38] <rockstar> Do those two functions need docstrings?  We often don't include them in initialize and other functions that need implementing, unless there is a specific reason.
[23:39] <thumper> barry: also worth noting there is a new lp/app/templates/generic-edit.pt that should suit most general editing needs
[23:39] <barry> rockstar: the way to think about it is if/when we get sphinx output for api docs. would the docstring help?
[23:39] <thumper> barry: the docstring would be the same every time
[23:39] <thumper> barry: the label is rendered as the h1
[23:39] <rockstar> barry, in this case, no, because in thumper's branch, all the docstrings were the same.  That's why I had him remove them.
[23:39] <thumper> barry: and the page_title is the html title for the page
[23:40]  * rockstar will let thumper talk about generic-edit.pt
[23:40] <barry> well, another way to think about it is that when they /are/ just attributes they won't have docstrings
[23:41] <barry> i think we can play those by ear.  i.e. let the dev and reviewer decide
[23:41] <thumper> I'm +1 on not having docstrings for label and page_title properties
[23:41] <barry> i wouldn't say they /can't/ but i agree they don't need to
[23:41] <barry> thumper: tell me about generic-edit.py
[23:42] <thumper> barry: a new very simple template
[23:42] <thumper> barry: new 3.0 style
[23:42] <thumper> barry: just renders the form
[23:42] <thumper> barry: so the view has page_title, label, and other bits
[23:42] <barry> from the object's schema?
[23:42] <thumper> barry: refer to the generic-edit.pt (not py)
[23:42] <barry> s/py/pt/
[23:42] <barry> ;)
[23:42] <rockstar> lp/app/templates/generic-edit.pt
[23:43] <thumper> barry: I found there were many similar edit pages in code
[23:43] <thumper> barry: and sinzui also had many in registry
[23:43] <barry> cool.  i'll add this to the summary so other reviewers are on the lookout for when we can use it
[23:43] <rockstar> And me in answers.
[23:43] <thumper> barry: there are no bugs in no code (or pages)
[23:43] <rockstar> Yes, so we remove templates.
[23:43] <barry> which is always good!
[23:44] <thumper> that's all I think
[23:44] <barry> [ACTION] reviewers should watch for opportunities to remove custom templates in favor of generic-edit.pt
[23:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  reviewers should watch for opportunities to remove custom templates in favor of generic-edit.pt
[23:45] <barry> thumper: thanks.  rockstar or wgrant anything from you?
[23:45] <barry> wgrant how have things gone with the branches you've submitted?
[23:45] <rockstar> barry, maybe I should start coming to the AsiaPac meetings instead of the early morning one for me.  :)
[23:46] <thumper> barry: then we could have almost all the code team at one
[23:46] <barry> rockstar: they go quicker that's for sure, though this one has already gone longer than the ameu one this morning :)
[23:46] <barry> seriously: +1
[23:46] <barry> abentley too?
[23:46] <barry> it wouldn't be a bad time for him
[23:47] <wgrant> barry: It has gone pretty well.
[23:47] <rockstar> Wait, that might not be good.  Next you'll round the code team up in camps and experiment on us.
[23:47] <wgrant> Although it's sometimes awkward to find Soyuz people around, it's been fairly quick and painless.
[23:48] <barry> wgrant: great!  i'm really psyched to see you blazing the trail
[23:48] <thumper> barry: nah, abentley will probably still go to the other one
[23:48] <wgrant> ... although ec2test for contributors would be nice.
[23:48] <thumper> barry: this would be too late in his evening
[23:48] <barry> wgrant: +1
[23:48] <rockstar> wgrant, +1
[23:48] <barry> thumper: it's only 6:30pm for us
[23:48] <thumper> barry: :)
[23:48] <barry> 'sup to him of course
[23:48] <thumper> barry: do you have a few minutes for a skype call after this?
[23:49] <barry> thumper: i do
[23:49] <barry> are we done?
[23:49] <barry> 5
[23:49] <barry> 4
[23:49] <barry> 3
[23:49] <barry> 2
[23:49] <barry> 1
[23:49] <barry> #endmeeting
[23:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:49.
[23:49] <barry> thanks guys
[23:49]  * barry puts on headphones