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noisymouseHi, I'm started to work on triaging bugs - I can't figure out how to set the status to wishlist, it doesn't show up in the list of statuses.00:29
micahgnoisymouse: only bug control members can set importance00:30
micahgwhich bug?00:30
micahgoh, and welcome! :)00:30
hggdh<rant> why the hell people get to try to use X.509 certificates *without undertanding what they are doing> </rant>00:37
* hggdh feels better now00:37
hggdhhi micahg how's life?00:37
micahgok hggdh00:38
micahgI was going to ask you about a bug00:38
micahgI got a negative response, but I didn't think I did anything wrong00:38
micahgbug 15313300:38
ubot4Launchpad bug 153133 in firefox "update-manager seems to lose flash 9" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15313300:38
hggdhlooking at it00:38
BUGabundohggdh: just had dinner with "emigrantes" from Ubuntu-FR00:40
BUGabundoonly you missing!00:40
Ampelbeinmicahg: just ignore those comments. i usually do. if I feel like discussing, I reply with the CodeOfConduct standard-reply.00:42
hggdhmicahg, nothing wrong there. The only thing is you might have added a bit of sugar to your responses. But they were not aggressive, anyway.00:42
hggdhBUGabundo, french people in the Porto??00:42
micahgok hggdh, that's what I wanted to check...I try to add sugar if I'm not too tired :)00:42
hggdhmicahg, and Ampelbein is correct -- there are responses that you will live better if you ignore them00:43
hggdhand -- of course ;-) -- thank you, micahg, for helping :-D00:43
* micahg just started subscribing to whole packages for bugs00:44
micahgthat's why I got that00:44
hggdhah. Welcome to the deluge00:44
micahgI've done it slowly00:44
micahgonly 3 packages right now00:44
BUGabundohggdh: portuguese, leaveing in Paris00:44
micahgwith low traffic00:44
micahgas I get them more settled, I can add more00:45
BUGabundomicahg: u should try ALL ubuntu bug mail for a day00:45
hggdhthat's a way to do it. And we will need more people to take over, so we all owe you.00:45
BUGabundoI tried tath for 2 weeks00:45
BUGabundoit was crazy00:45
micahgBUGabundo: that's got to be insanity00:45
* hggdh did not survive the first 2 days00:45
BUGabundoclose to it00:45
micahgI only have 2GB of mail00:46
BUGabundoaahaahahahahahah00:46
BUGabundoI have HD00:46
micahgI think I tried that for answers00:46
micahgbug mistake00:46
micahg*big00:46
micahgBUGabundo: I use  hosted IMAP for e-mail at the moment00:46
BUGabundobeen there too00:47
BUGabundolasted 2 months00:47
BUGabundostop reading after 2 weeks00:48
BUGabundoI manage to keep in ubuntu-users for 3 years00:48
BUGabundostoped 3 months ago00:48
BUGabundo300-450 emails per day00:48
BUGabundono idea how there are ppl that actually reply00:48
micahgfilters00:49
hggdhlotsa filters00:50
micahgwell, we've got over 62k open bugs00:50
micahgand it doesn't seem to be going down00:51
BUGabundoyou have more then me00:51
BUGabundolOLOL00:51
BUGabundoI have about 800 open bugs00:51
BUGabundoprob 200 active00:51
micahgI'm trying to clean up firefox and firefox-3.0 and migrate some to firefox-3.5 and close the ones that are no longer relavent00:51
BUGabundo40 generating daily email00:51
micahgI have about 600 open ones that I'm subscribed to00:52
BUGabundomaking me get ~100 bug mails dailty00:52
hggdhhum. micahg, does ff3.5 support the LP extensions?00:52
BUGabundoyes00:52
BUGabundoand 3.6 yoo00:52
hggdhI have not tried yet00:53
* micahg is using the LP stuff00:53
* hggdh is upgrading to 3.5 right now00:53
hggdhyay, I am in it. Time to trash 3.(0|1)00:56
Ampelbeini defined some keyword searches to ease daily live, e.g.: "deb foo" in the adressbar expands to http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html?src=foo , similar for "ubu foo". "debbug 12345" gives me the debian bugreport, "lpbug 12345" the lp-report "gnomebug 12345" ... you get the idea00:57
hggdhgood idea...00:58
Ampelbeinhggdh: let me try to export those bookmarks and put them somewhere.00:59
hggdhAmpelbein, thank you. IOU00:59
BUGabundotime to hit the sack01:01
hggdhg'night, BUGabundo01:02
Ampelbeinhggdh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~amoog/bookmarks.html01:09
hggdhAmpelbein, thank you01:15
Ampelbeinyou're welcome01:16
hggdhyeeee I can be lazy again :-)01:16
hggdhalready in. Most welcome were the debbug & gnomebug :-)01:17
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Ushaibcan someone assist me in reporting a bug? I'm following the instructions for using apport. I opened gedit, "report a problem", it says a browser window will open with a form to type the bug description in, but nothing happens.03:44
UshaibSo I guess we have a bug in the bug report app :P03:44
micahgwhat version of ubuntu Ushaib03:45
Ushaib9.0403:45
micahgdo you have firefox 3.0 installed?03:46
Ushaibyeah, it is. I also installed Firefox 3.5 in my home directory, it's what I use, but I did not uninstall 3.0.03:46
micahgok03:46
micahghmm03:46
micahgyou can try ubuntu-bug gedit03:47
Ushaibit's Firefox crashing apparently.03:48
micahghmm03:48
Ushaib"The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error"03:48
micahgugh03:48
micahgBadWindow?03:48
Ushaibyes03:49
micahgbug 40105503:49
ubot4`Launchpad bug 401055 in firefox "Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-3.5' received an X Window System error (BadWindow)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40105503:49
Ushaibok, I'll use a different user (with no 3.5) to report the gedit bug.03:49
Ushaibthanks for your help.03:49
micahgno, that's not it03:50
greporyi think there's already a bug filed for the browser not openintg03:50
greporyif i find it again, i'll dupe03:50
micahgyeah03:50
greporytime for julie and julia :D03:51
micahgUshaib: can you open 3.5?03:51
Ushaibmicahg, yep, it's what I used to open that launchpad link.03:51
micahgah, ok03:51
micahgso03:51
micahgHere's where you can file a bug for gedit03:52
micahghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit03:52
Ushaibno worries, I'll use another user to report my bug (one with 3.0 as his primary browser)03:52
hggdhbcurtiswx, hi. Some two months ago you added an item to our meeting agenda. But you have not been there... care to expand on what you intended?03:53
Ushaibthanks for the help03:53
micahgnp Ushaib03:54
micahghggdh: what do you think of my agenda item?03:54
hggdhI like it, micahg03:55
screamPardon my question... but I could not find any documentation...03:55
screamhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/41029703:55
ubot4`Launchpad bug 410297 in sun-java6 "Sync sun-java6 6-15-1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (non-free)" [High,Fix released]03:55
hggdhnow, when will be the meeting?03:56
screamWhat time from when a fix is released, to it makes it on the repo (and then on my system)03:56
scream?03:56
micahgscream: sync means for karmic03:56
hggdhthe package has been sent to the builder machines, and should be available soon03:56
screamhggdh, oh... there is more to it then I realized...03:57
screamIs there a wiki page that outlines the bug and fix (building) process? :)03:57
micahgonce it's in karmic, they usually backport it as a security release shortly thereafter03:57
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NonvocalScreammicahg, so I'll need to enable -backports?04:00
hggdhscream, yes indeed there is more to it ;-) Now, if you are running < 9.10, and you think the Java update should make it to your version, you can "nominate for release", for example04:01
hggdhNonvocalScream, ^^04:01
NonvocalScreamah04:01
micahgNonvocalScream: no04:02
micahgsorry04:02
hggdhas I told you yesterday, you can always discuss your case on #ubuntu-hardened04:02
micahgit will be in -updates or -security04:02
* hggdh does not deal with Java, if at all possible04:02
NonvocalScreamhggdh, I don't remember that... but I'll go discuss.04:02
NonvocalScreamIt is possible that I disconnected or walked away.04:03
micahghggdh: did I use the term wrong?04:03
micahgIt is a backport, but not a -backport backport, right?04:03
hggdhNonvocalScream, please: ask your question/explain your issue, and wait. Patiently.04:03
hggdhmicahg, what term?04:03
hggdhheh04:03
hggdham I slow or what?04:03
micahgsecurity team will backport java6 update to stable releases04:03
hggdhI think it would be a -security04:03
NonvocalScreamhggdh, I will, and thank you for your help :)04:04
NonvocalScreamI have done so in the channel you referenced.04:04
hggdhNonvocalScream, might help a bit to state what verison of Ubuntu you are running ;-)04:04
micahghggdh: I guess, I should just call it an SRU for simplicity04:05
hggdhand thank you, BTW, both for prodding us here, and using Ubuntu, and being worried by this04:05
hggdhmicahg, guess so. I am unsure if it would be looked at as a security fix, or SRU. Given the way Java goes, SRU is probably more correct04:05
NonvocalScreamJaunty04:07
hggdhNonvocalScream, not here, at -hardened04:08
NonvocalScreamoh sorry04:08
hggdhnp04:09
bcurtiswxhggdh: i just was hoping someone could talk about some new things for bug traigers... more of an idea than an "i have that to talk about" kind of thing04:09
bcurtiswxhggdh: it appears as if the each meeting is not fitting with my schedule very well... including the next one :-\04:09
bcurtiswxhggdh: which I feel bad about..04:10
hggdhbcurtiswx, it is not a bad idea, and we *can* talk about it. It just helps to know what you meant ;-)04:10
bcurtiswxhggdh: cool then :)04:10
hggdhand the meeting would have been today, but I do not think it happened.04:10
bcurtiswxits next tuesday04:11
hggdhthanks. I will update the wiki, then04:11
NonvocalScreamSo -hardened is where I go to discuss the security bugs in the future?04:12
hggdhNonvocalScream, -hardened is the ideal place to discuss security issues, yes04:13
micahghggdh: I thought the wiki was already updated04:33
hggdhno, it was not04:34
hggdhg'night, all y'all. Bed awaits.04:38
dholbachgood morning05:49
alourie|workgood morning06:07
thekorngood morning06:51
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andolHow do we set importance for build failures, in the development branch? Take bug #411890 for example?08:28
ubot4`Launchpad bug 411890 in php5 "karmic: Compiling php fails with autoconf 2.64" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41189008:28
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alourie|workhow do I find what is the latest version of the Nvidia Driver planned for Karmic?09:08
ArcitensHi, I was told to come to this room because I'm having a bug in firefox 3.0.13 that completely freezes Ubuntu. Is it ok to ask for help in this room?09:09
alourie|workArcitens: have you looked at Ubuntu Answers and on forums for a possible solution?09:10
ArcitensYes and I was in the general #ubuntu room just before this. I couldn't find anything that described my situation. The person that was helping me in the general ubuntu room told me to come here.09:10
alouriehave you also tried to search the similar bug in bugs?09:13
ArcitensI did. Both bugzilla and launchpad. Granted there are a lot of bugs to go through but I looked through quite a number and didn't find any that matched my situation.09:18
ArcitensPerhaps I don't know what to search for though.09:18
alourieArcitens: I'm not sure this is the place for getting this kind of help ...09:22
ArcitensOk, that's fine. That's why I asked. Thank you.09:24
micahgalourie: you could've sent the user to #ubuntu-mozilla09:24
micahgoops09:24
micahg#ubuntu-mozillateam09:24
alouriemicahg: thanks. I just wasn't sure where can I send him to. On the other hand, I wanted to mention that this is not the correct place for getting the kind of support he needed ...09:28
micahgcan you dupe a private bug?09:53
micahgping thekorn09:56
thekornmicahg, hi09:57
micahgcan you dupe a private bug?09:57
thekornmicahg, yes, if I have access to this private bug09:57
micahgno, I can do it09:58
micahgI'm wondering if it's possible09:58
micahgto mark a private a dupe of a public09:58
thekornthis means I have to be subscribed to this bug, directly or via a team I'm in09:58
thekornI think it is, let's try it09:59
micahgseems to have worked10:00
thekornmicahg, right it works, as long as you have access to the private bug10:01
micahgcool10:02
micahgthekorn: what's upstream for pango?10:06
thekornmicahg, hmm, you are asking weird questions ;)10:10
thekornI don't know, lets try to find out10:10
thekornseb128, hi, do you know the answer to this question: <micahg> thekorn: what's upstream for pango?10:12
seb128GNOME10:12
seb128why?10:12
micahgoh, was trying to figure out if there was an upstream for pango_ot_info_get10:12
micahgcrashes10:12
seb128should be fixed in pango 1.15.210:12
seb128I've uploaded it yesterday10:12
seb128what version do you use?10:12
micahgok10:12
micahgI saw crashes in 5 different packages10:12
micahgseb128: the firefox crash person had libpango 1.25.110:14
seb128micahg, good idea to keep uptodate on unstable10:15
micahgdid you mean 1.25.2?10:15
micahgI'll ask the user to upgrade10:17
micahgseb128: should I dupe the ff3.5 pango crash against the one you moved to pango?10:52
seb128micahg, which one?10:52
micahgbug 41210710:53
ubot4`micahg: Bug 412107 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412107 is private10:53
micahgyou moved bug 41217510:53
ubot4`micahg: Bug 412175 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412175 is private10:53
seb128micahg, I did reassign and close it10:54
micahgthanks :)10:55
seb128thank you for pointing it10:55
micahgnp, I finally found some crashes I could do something with :)10:55
alourieis bughelper tool still useful?11:32
bddebianBoo14:38
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mrooneyAnyone know if there is a way to do a bug search, specifying bugs without a milestone?18:44
bdmurraymrooney: could you elaborate?18:46
mrooneybdmurray: I'd like to find papercuts without a milestone: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?advanced=118:49
mrooneyI can select milestones, but I don't see a way to say NO milestone18:49
bdmurraymrooney: I don' think there is a way really18:57
pascal80mrooney: why don't you order by milestone19:00
mrooneypascal80: that's clever, thanks!19:00
pascal80It looks like its possible to change &orderby=milestone into &orderby=-milestone too in the search url to get the ones without milestone first19:03
Sinani201Hello19:18
Sinani201I just joined the Bug Swuad, where's a good place to start?19:18
Sinani201*Squad19:19
Sinani201Anyone?19:23
mrooneySinani201: Welcome! the topic has some good places I think!19:23
mrooneyhave you looked at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs ?19:24
Sinani201mrooney: Thanks, I'll take a look at that page.19:25
Sinani201It looks like I should start with triarging bugs, right?19:27
hggdhhum. Already gone...19:40
mrooneyhas anyone seen bug 412660 filed before? I noticed it too, wondering if it is a popular bug19:41
ubot4Launchpad bug 412660 in ubuntu "laptop touchpad "tapping" not working in 9.10 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41266019:41
chrisccoulsonmrooney - it stopped working after a g-s-d update changed the location of the gconf keys for touchpad settings20:12
chrisccoulsonbut that should be fixed now :-/20:12
chrisccoulsonand it should even migrate the settings correctly on upgrade20:12
mrooneychrisccoulson: ah thanks how glorious20:16
chrisccoulsonbut maybe something else doesn't work20:16
chrisccoulsoni cant test as i don't have a touchpad;)20:16
l3dxanyone know how to configure git-daemon?20:33
micahgl3dx: try #ubuntu for support20:42
l3dxmicahg: did that too :) just thought it was worth a try to ask in some of the developer channels too20:50
micahgl3dx: this is the triage channel, not a developer channel :) #ubuntu-motu would probably know20:52
micahgmaybe #ubuntu-server?20:54
greg-gor maybe a git channel? ;)21:08
l3dxI'm at #git too :o)21:11
l3dxbut it seems to be a hard question :P21:11
BUGabundoola21:13
greg-gl3dx: gotcha :)21:14
Jeruvydumb question but what does MOTU stand for?21:48
mrooneyJeruvy: Masters Of The Universe (repository)21:49
greg-gand, for more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU21:49
dtchenmasters of the universe21:49
Jeruvyreally ;)  I've read the wiki page, didn't help ;)21:49
mrooneyit is right there on the wiki, Jeruvy :)21:50
greg-g"They are community members who spend their time adding, maintaining, and supporting as much as possible the software found in Universe."21:50
* Jeruvy gets glasses21:50
Jeruvyah different page, I was on the ubuntu.com motu page that didn't explain that.  Thanks :)21:51
Jeruvyas long as I don't have to ride a griffon...21:52
hggdhwell, you do not *need* to, of course ;-)21:58
Jeruvy:)  hggdh great comment :)21:59
* hggdh bows22:01
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aguynamedryanI hope I'm not hitting on a sore subject, but what's the deal with the whole dash/sh/bash issue?  Is there some page that describes the current state of affairs and the rationale?22:31
aguynamedryanAh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh22:34
kklimondaaguynamedryan: why would it be sore?22:45
aguynamedryanLooks like there is a lot of controversy about the move to make dash == /bin/sh22:46
aguynamedryanSeems like it's causing a lot of bugs22:46
kklimondaactually it was changed in ubuntu some time ago and we don't get a lot (if any) bug reports..22:47
kklimondadebian guys are having quite a heated discussion about it though..22:47
kklimondafwiw I think that setting bash as a default /bin/sh was a bad move.. it has terrible sh compliance, even in it's "compliance mode" :/22:48
kklimondaor to be more exact - it just allow people to do things that aren't specified in some posix document ;)22:49
aguynamedryanIs there a script that I can use to quickly change all references to /bin/sh to /bin/bash?22:50
aguynamedryanI'd love to just point a script at a folder and have it "fix" all the files22:51
kklimondaquick sed would be enough22:51
aguynamedryanIf only I was handy with sed :-(22:51
kklimondait would be something like sed -e "s|^#!/bin/bash$|/#!/bin/sh|g" -i file.sh22:52
aguynamedryanI'll see if I can wrap that up in a nice little script...thanks!22:53
hggdhwell, bashism is considered an  error for pacackaed scripts.22:54
aguynamedryanI'm just trying to build something from source...no packaging just yet22:55
kklimondahggdh: sometimes it's easier to change interpreter and make package depend on bash explicitly than to fix bashisms22:56
hggdhaguynamedryan, I just mean shell scripts (that default to the shebang of /bin/sh) should work the same under sh and bash22:56
hggdhkklimonda, yes, there is that22:56
aguynamedryanI've been grinding away on this build for a while, sorry if I'm not keeping up with you guys mentally :-/22:58
hggdhaguynamedryan, no problem. I also have had a bad day -- on coreutils and at work...23:00
hggdhand I do apologise if my answers we a bit on the short side23:00
aguynamedryanTake that source code!: grep -R -l /bin/sh * | xargs -n1 -Iflile sed -e "s|/bin/sh|/bin/bash|g" -i flile23:01
aguynamedryanscorched the earth!23:02
hggdhbrb in half-hour23:03
bdmurrayjdstrand: do you know if the new ipw2200 firmware resolves any issues?23:08
jdstrandbdmurray: the one I recently upgraded?23:08
jdstrandupdated23:08
bdmurrayjdstrand: yeah, I couldn't find a changelog easily23:08
jdstrandbdmurray: there is no changelog for it (Intel refused to release it)23:09
bdmurraymmm great23:09
jdstrandbdmurray: it seemed to make my wife's laptop initialize the card somewhat better23:09
bdmurrayjdstrand: I was wondering if it resolved stuff like "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting".  I can't seem to find the bug I was thinking of though23:12
jdstrandbdmurray: I don't know. I never saw that too much23:13
jdstrandbdmurray: it hasn't made it any worse, I can say that much :)23:13
bdmurraywell, that's something!23:13
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