[00:29] <noisymouse> Hi, I'm started to work on triaging bugs - I can't figure out how to set the status to wishlist, it doesn't show up in the list of statuses.
[00:30] <micahg> noisymouse: only bug control members can set importance
[00:30] <micahg> which bug?
[00:30] <micahg> oh, and welcome! :)
 why the hell people get to try to use X.509 certificates *without undertanding what they are doing> </rant>
[00:37]  * hggdh feels better now
[00:37] <hggdh> hi micahg how's life?
[00:38] <micahg> ok hggdh
[00:38] <micahg> I was going to ask you about a bug
[00:38] <micahg> I got a negative response, but I didn't think I did anything wrong
[00:38] <micahg> bug 153133
[00:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 153133 in firefox "update-manager seems to lose flash 9" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153133
[00:38] <hggdh> looking at it
[00:40] <BUGabundo> hggdh: just had dinner with "emigrantes" from Ubuntu-FR
[00:40] <BUGabundo> only you missing!
[00:42] <Ampelbein> micahg: just ignore those comments. i usually do. if I feel like discussing, I reply with the CodeOfConduct standard-reply.
[00:42] <hggdh> micahg, nothing wrong there. The only thing is you might have added a bit of sugar to your responses. But they were not aggressive, anyway.
[00:42] <hggdh> BUGabundo, french people in the Porto??
[00:42] <micahg> ok hggdh, that's what I wanted to check...I try to add sugar if I'm not too tired :)
[00:43] <hggdh> micahg, and Ampelbein is correct -- there are responses that you will live better if you ignore them
[00:43] <hggdh> and -- of course ;-) -- thank you, micahg, for helping :-D
[00:44]  * micahg just started subscribing to whole packages for bugs
[00:44] <micahg> that's why I got that
[00:44] <hggdh> ah. Welcome to the deluge
[00:44] <micahg> I've done it slowly
[00:44] <micahg> only 3 packages right now
[00:44] <BUGabundo> hggdh: portuguese, leaveing in Paris
[00:44] <micahg> with low traffic
[00:45] <micahg> as I get them more settled, I can add more
[00:45] <BUGabundo> micahg: u should try ALL ubuntu bug mail for a day
[00:45] <hggdh> that's a way to do it. And we will need more people to take over, so we all owe you.
[00:45] <BUGabundo> I tried tath for 2 weeks
[00:45] <BUGabundo> it was crazy
[00:45] <micahg> BUGabundo: that's got to be insanity
[00:45]  * hggdh did not survive the first 2 days
[00:45] <BUGabundo> close to it
[00:46] <micahg> I only have 2GB of mail
[00:46] <BUGabundo> aahaahahahahahah
[00:46] <BUGabundo> I have HD
[00:46] <micahg> I think I tried that for answers
[00:46] <micahg> bug mistake
[00:46] <micahg> *big
[00:46] <micahg> BUGabundo: I use  hosted IMAP for e-mail at the moment
[00:47] <BUGabundo> been there too
[00:47] <BUGabundo> lasted 2 months
[00:48] <BUGabundo> stop reading after 2 weeks
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I manage to keep in ubuntu-users for 3 years
[00:48] <BUGabundo> stoped 3 months ago
[00:48] <BUGabundo> 300-450 emails per day
[00:48] <BUGabundo> no idea how there are ppl that actually reply
[00:49] <micahg> filters
[00:50] <hggdh> lotsa filters
[00:50] <micahg> well, we've got over 62k open bugs
[00:51] <micahg> and it doesn't seem to be going down
[00:51] <BUGabundo> you have more then me
[00:51] <BUGabundo> lOLOL
[00:51] <BUGabundo> I have about 800 open bugs
[00:51] <BUGabundo> prob 200 active
[00:51] <micahg> I'm trying to clean up firefox and firefox-3.0 and migrate some to firefox-3.5 and close the ones that are no longer relavent
[00:51] <BUGabundo> 40 generating daily email
[00:52] <micahg> I have about 600 open ones that I'm subscribed to
[00:52] <BUGabundo> making me get ~100 bug mails dailty
[00:52] <hggdh> hum. micahg, does ff3.5 support the LP extensions?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:52] <BUGabundo> and 3.6 yoo
[00:53] <hggdh> I have not tried yet
[00:53]  * micahg is using the LP stuff
[00:53]  * hggdh is upgrading to 3.5 right now
[00:56] <hggdh> yay, I am in it. Time to trash 3.(0|1)
[00:57] <Ampelbein> i defined some keyword searches to ease daily live, e.g.: "deb foo" in the adressbar expands to http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html?src=foo , similar for "ubu foo". "debbug 12345" gives me the debian bugreport, "lpbug 12345" the lp-report "gnomebug 12345" ... you get the idea
[00:58] <hggdh> good idea...
[00:59] <Ampelbein> hggdh: let me try to export those bookmarks and put them somewhere.
[00:59] <hggdh> Ampelbein, thank you. IOU
[01:01] <BUGabundo> time to hit the sack
[01:02] <hggdh> g'night, BUGabundo
[01:09] <Ampelbein> hggdh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~amoog/bookmarks.html
[01:15] <hggdh> Ampelbein, thank you
[01:16] <Ampelbein> you're welcome
[01:16] <hggdh> yeeee I can be lazy again :-)
[01:17] <hggdh> already in. Most welcome were the debbug & gnomebug :-)
[03:44] <Ushaib> can someone assist me in reporting a bug? I'm following the instructions for using apport. I opened gedit, "report a problem", it says a browser window will open with a form to type the bug description in, but nothing happens.
[03:44] <Ushaib> So I guess we have a bug in the bug report app :P
[03:45] <micahg> what version of ubuntu Ushaib
[03:45] <Ushaib> 9.04
[03:46] <micahg> do you have firefox 3.0 installed?
[03:46] <Ushaib> yeah, it is. I also installed Firefox 3.5 in my home directory, it's what I use, but I did not uninstall 3.0.
[03:46] <micahg> ok
[03:46] <micahg> hmm
[03:47] <micahg> you can try ubuntu-bug gedit
[03:48] <Ushaib> it's Firefox crashing apparently.
[03:48] <micahg> hmm
[03:48] <Ushaib> "The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error"
[03:48] <micahg> ugh
[03:48] <micahg> BadWindow?
[03:49] <Ushaib> yes
[03:49] <micahg> bug 401055
[03:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 401055 in firefox "Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-3.5' received an X Window System error (BadWindow)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401055
[03:49] <Ushaib> ok, I'll use a different user (with no 3.5) to report the gedit bug.
[03:49] <Ushaib> thanks for your help.
[03:50] <micahg> no, that's not it
[03:50] <grepory> i think there's already a bug filed for the browser not openintg
[03:50] <grepory> if i find it again, i'll dupe
[03:50] <micahg> yeah
[03:51] <grepory> time for julie and julia :D
[03:51] <micahg> Ushaib: can you open 3.5?
[03:51] <Ushaib> micahg, yep, it's what I used to open that launchpad link.
[03:51] <micahg> ah, ok
[03:51] <micahg> so
[03:52] <micahg> Here's where you can file a bug for gedit
[03:52] <micahg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit
[03:52] <Ushaib> no worries, I'll use another user to report my bug (one with 3.0 as his primary browser)
[03:53] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, hi. Some two months ago you added an item to our meeting agenda. But you have not been there... care to expand on what you intended?
[03:53] <Ushaib> thanks for the help
[03:54] <micahg> np Ushaib
[03:54] <micahg> hggdh: what do you think of my agenda item?
[03:55] <hggdh> I like it, micahg
[03:55] <scream> Pardon my question... but I could not find any documentation...
[03:55] <scream> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/410297
[03:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 410297 in sun-java6 "Sync sun-java6 6-15-1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (non-free)" [High,Fix released]
[03:56] <hggdh> now, when will be the meeting?
[03:56] <scream> What time from when a fix is released, to it makes it on the repo (and then on my system)
[03:56] <scream> ?
[03:56] <micahg> scream: sync means for karmic
[03:56] <hggdh> the package has been sent to the builder machines, and should be available soon
[03:57] <scream> hggdh, oh... there is more to it then I realized...
[03:57] <scream> Is there a wiki page that outlines the bug and fix (building) process? :)
[03:57] <micahg> once it's in karmic, they usually backport it as a security release shortly thereafter
[04:00] <NonvocalScream> micahg, so I'll need to enable -backports?
[04:01] <hggdh> scream, yes indeed there is more to it ;-) Now, if you are running < 9.10, and you think the Java update should make it to your version, you can "nominate for release", for example
[04:01] <hggdh> NonvocalScream, ^^
[04:01] <NonvocalScream> ah
[04:02] <micahg> NonvocalScream: no
[04:02] <micahg> sorry
[04:02] <hggdh> as I told you yesterday, you can always discuss your case on #ubuntu-hardened
[04:02] <micahg> it will be in -updates or -security
[04:02]  * hggdh does not deal with Java, if at all possible
[04:02] <NonvocalScream> hggdh, I don't remember that... but I'll go discuss.
[04:03] <NonvocalScream> It is possible that I disconnected or walked away.
[04:03] <micahg> hggdh: did I use the term wrong?
[04:03] <micahg> It is a backport, but not a -backport backport, right?
[04:03] <hggdh> NonvocalScream, please: ask your question/explain your issue, and wait. Patiently.
[04:03] <hggdh> micahg, what term?
[04:03] <hggdh> heh
[04:03] <hggdh> am I slow or what?
[04:03] <micahg> security team will backport java6 update to stable releases
[04:03] <hggdh> I think it would be a -security
[04:04] <NonvocalScream> hggdh, I will, and thank you for your help :)
[04:04] <NonvocalScream> I have done so in the channel you referenced.
[04:04] <hggdh> NonvocalScream, might help a bit to state what verison of Ubuntu you are running ;-)
[04:05] <micahg> hggdh: I guess, I should just call it an SRU for simplicity
[04:05] <hggdh> and thank you, BTW, both for prodding us here, and using Ubuntu, and being worried by this
[04:05] <hggdh> micahg, guess so. I am unsure if it would be looked at as a security fix, or SRU. Given the way Java goes, SRU is probably more correct
[04:07] <NonvocalScream> Jaunty
[04:08] <hggdh> NonvocalScream, not here, at -hardened
[04:08] <NonvocalScream> oh sorry
[04:09] <hggdh> np
[04:09] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: i just was hoping someone could talk about some new things for bug traigers... more of an idea than an "i have that to talk about" kind of thing
[04:09] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: it appears as if the each meeting is not fitting with my schedule very well... including the next one :-\
[04:10] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: which I feel bad about..
[04:10] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, it is not a bad idea, and we *can* talk about it. It just helps to know what you meant ;-)
[04:10] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: cool then :)
[04:10] <hggdh> and the meeting would have been today, but I do not think it happened.
[04:11] <bcurtiswx> its next tuesday
[04:11] <hggdh> thanks. I will update the wiki, then
[04:12] <NonvocalScream> So -hardened is where I go to discuss the security bugs in the future?
[04:13] <hggdh> NonvocalScream, -hardened is the ideal place to discuss security issues, yes
[04:33] <micahg> hggdh: I thought the wiki was already updated
[04:34] <hggdh> no, it was not
[04:38] <hggdh> g'night, all y'all. Bed awaits.
[05:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:07] <alourie|work> good morning
[06:51] <thekorn> good morning
[08:28] <andol> How do we set importance for build failures, in the development branch? Take bug #411890 for example?
[08:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 411890 in php5 "karmic: Compiling php fails with autoconf 2.64" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411890
[09:08] <alourie|work> how do I find what is the latest version of the Nvidia Driver planned for Karmic?
[09:09] <Arcitens> Hi, I was told to come to this room because I'm having a bug in firefox 3.0.13 that completely freezes Ubuntu. Is it ok to ask for help in this room?
[09:10] <alourie|work> Arcitens: have you looked at Ubuntu Answers and on forums for a possible solution?
[09:10] <Arcitens> Yes and I was in the general #ubuntu room just before this. I couldn't find anything that described my situation. The person that was helping me in the general ubuntu room told me to come here.
[09:13] <alourie> have you also tried to search the similar bug in bugs?
[09:18] <Arcitens> I did. Both bugzilla and launchpad. Granted there are a lot of bugs to go through but I looked through quite a number and didn't find any that matched my situation.
[09:18] <Arcitens> Perhaps I don't know what to search for though.
[09:22] <alourie> Arcitens: I'm not sure this is the place for getting this kind of help ...
[09:24] <Arcitens> Ok, that's fine. That's why I asked. Thank you.
[09:24] <micahg> alourie: you could've sent the user to #ubuntu-mozilla
[09:24] <micahg> oops
[09:24] <micahg> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[09:28] <alourie> micahg: thanks. I just wasn't sure where can I send him to. On the other hand, I wanted to mention that this is not the correct place for getting the kind of support he needed ...
[09:53] <micahg> can you dupe a private bug?
[09:56] <micahg> ping thekorn
[09:57] <thekorn> micahg, hi
[09:57] <micahg> can you dupe a private bug?
[09:57] <thekorn> micahg, yes, if I have access to this private bug
[09:58] <micahg> no, I can do it
[09:58] <micahg> I'm wondering if it's possible
[09:58] <micahg> to mark a private a dupe of a public
[09:58] <thekorn> this means I have to be subscribed to this bug, directly or via a team I'm in
[09:59] <thekorn> I think it is, let's try it
[10:00] <micahg> seems to have worked
[10:01] <thekorn> micahg, right it works, as long as you have access to the private bug
[10:02] <micahg> cool
[10:06] <micahg> thekorn: what's upstream for pango?
[10:10] <thekorn> micahg, hmm, you are asking weird questions ;)
[10:10] <thekorn> I don't know, lets try to find out
[10:12] <thekorn> seb128, hi, do you know the answer to this question: <micahg> thekorn: what's upstream for pango?
[10:12] <seb128> GNOME
[10:12] <seb128> why?
[10:12] <micahg> oh, was trying to figure out if there was an upstream for pango_ot_info_get
[10:12] <micahg> crashes
[10:12] <seb128> should be fixed in pango 1.15.2
[10:12] <seb128> I've uploaded it yesterday
[10:12] <seb128> what version do you use?
[10:12] <micahg> ok
[10:12] <micahg> I saw crashes in 5 different packages
[10:14] <micahg> seb128: the firefox crash person had libpango 1.25.1
[10:15] <seb128> micahg, good idea to keep uptodate on unstable
[10:15] <micahg> did you mean 1.25.2?
[10:17] <micahg> I'll ask the user to upgrade
[10:52] <micahg> seb128: should I dupe the ff3.5 pango crash against the one you moved to pango?
[10:52] <seb128> micahg, which one?
[10:53] <micahg> bug 412107
[10:53] <ubot4`> micahg: Bug 412107 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412107 is private
[10:53] <micahg> you moved bug 412175
[10:53] <ubot4`> micahg: Bug 412175 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412175 is private
[10:54] <seb128> micahg, I did reassign and close it
[10:55] <micahg> thanks :)
[10:55] <seb128> thank you for pointing it
[10:55] <micahg> np, I finally found some crashes I could do something with :)
[11:32] <alourie> is bughelper tool still useful?
[14:38] <bddebian> Boo
[18:44] <mrooney> Anyone know if there is a way to do a bug search, specifying bugs without a milestone?
[18:46] <bdmurray> mrooney: could you elaborate?
[18:49] <mrooney> bdmurray: I'd like to find papercuts without a milestone: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?advanced=1
[18:49] <mrooney> I can select milestones, but I don't see a way to say NO milestone
[18:57] <bdmurray> mrooney: I don' think there is a way really
[19:00] <pascal80> mrooney: why don't you order by milestone
[19:00] <mrooney> pascal80: that's clever, thanks!
[19:03] <pascal80> It looks like its possible to change &orderby=milestone into &orderby=-milestone too in the search url to get the ones without milestone first
[19:18] <Sinani201> Hello
[19:18] <Sinani201> I just joined the Bug Swuad, where's a good place to start?
[19:19] <Sinani201> *Squad
[19:23] <Sinani201> Anyone?
[19:23] <mrooney> Sinani201: Welcome! the topic has some good places I think!
[19:24] <mrooney> have you looked at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs ?
[19:25] <Sinani201> mrooney: Thanks, I'll take a look at that page.
[19:27] <Sinani201> It looks like I should start with triarging bugs, right?
[19:40] <hggdh> hum. Already gone...
[19:41] <mrooney> has anyone seen bug 412660 filed before? I noticed it too, wondering if it is a popular bug
[19:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 412660 in ubuntu "laptop touchpad "tapping" not working in 9.10 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412660
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> mrooney - it stopped working after a g-s-d update changed the location of the gconf keys for touchpad settings
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> but that should be fixed now :-/
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> and it should even migrate the settings correctly on upgrade
[20:16] <mrooney> chrisccoulson: ah thanks how glorious
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> but maybe something else doesn't work
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> i cant test as i don't have a touchpad;)
[20:33] <l3dx> anyone know how to configure git-daemon?
[20:42] <micahg> l3dx: try #ubuntu for support
[20:50] <l3dx> micahg: did that too :) just thought it was worth a try to ask in some of the developer channels too
[20:52] <micahg> l3dx: this is the triage channel, not a developer channel :) #ubuntu-motu would probably know
[20:54] <micahg> maybe #ubuntu-server?
[21:08] <greg-g> or maybe a git channel? ;)
[21:11] <l3dx> I'm at #git too :o)
[21:11] <l3dx> but it seems to be a hard question :P
[21:13] <BUGabundo> ola
[21:14] <greg-g> l3dx: gotcha :)
[21:48] <Jeruvy> dumb question but what does MOTU stand for?
[21:49] <mrooney> Jeruvy: Masters Of The Universe (repository)
[21:49] <greg-g> and, for more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[21:49] <dtchen> masters of the universe
[21:49] <Jeruvy> really ;)  I've read the wiki page, didn't help ;)
[21:50] <mrooney> it is right there on the wiki, Jeruvy :)
[21:50] <greg-g> "They are community members who spend their time adding, maintaining, and supporting as much as possible the software found in Universe."
[21:50]  * Jeruvy gets glasses
[21:51] <Jeruvy> ah different page, I was on the ubuntu.com motu page that didn't explain that.  Thanks :)
[21:52] <Jeruvy> as long as I don't have to ride a griffon...
[21:58] <hggdh> well, you do not *need* to, of course ;-)
[21:59] <Jeruvy> :)  hggdh great comment :)
[22:01]  * hggdh bows
[22:31] <aguynamedryan> I hope I'm not hitting on a sore subject, but what's the deal with the whole dash/sh/bash issue?  Is there some page that describes the current state of affairs and the rationale?
[22:34] <aguynamedryan> Ah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[22:45] <kklimonda> aguynamedryan: why would it be sore?
[22:46] <aguynamedryan> Looks like there is a lot of controversy about the move to make dash == /bin/sh
[22:46] <aguynamedryan> Seems like it's causing a lot of bugs
[22:47] <kklimonda> actually it was changed in ubuntu some time ago and we don't get a lot (if any) bug reports..
[22:47] <kklimonda> debian guys are having quite a heated discussion about it though..
[22:48] <kklimonda> fwiw I think that setting bash as a default /bin/sh was a bad move.. it has terrible sh compliance, even in it's "compliance mode" :/
[22:49] <kklimonda> or to be more exact - it just allow people to do things that aren't specified in some posix document ;)
[22:50] <aguynamedryan> Is there a script that I can use to quickly change all references to /bin/sh to /bin/bash?
[22:51] <aguynamedryan> I'd love to just point a script at a folder and have it "fix" all the files
[22:51] <kklimonda> quick sed would be enough
[22:51] <aguynamedryan> If only I was handy with sed :-(
[22:52] <kklimonda> it would be something like sed -e "s|^#!/bin/bash$|/#!/bin/sh|g" -i file.sh
[22:53] <aguynamedryan> I'll see if I can wrap that up in a nice little script...thanks!
[22:54] <hggdh> well, bashism is considered an  error for pacackaed scripts.
[22:55] <aguynamedryan> I'm just trying to build something from source...no packaging just yet
[22:56] <kklimonda> hggdh: sometimes it's easier to change interpreter and make package depend on bash explicitly than to fix bashisms
[22:56] <hggdh> aguynamedryan, I just mean shell scripts (that default to the shebang of /bin/sh) should work the same under sh and bash
[22:56] <hggdh> kklimonda, yes, there is that
[22:58] <aguynamedryan> I've been grinding away on this build for a while, sorry if I'm not keeping up with you guys mentally :-/
[23:00] <hggdh> aguynamedryan, no problem. I also have had a bad day -- on coreutils and at work...
[23:00] <hggdh> and I do apologise if my answers we a bit on the short side
[23:01] <aguynamedryan> Take that source code!: grep -R -l /bin/sh * | xargs -n1 -Iflile sed -e "s|/bin/sh|/bin/bash|g" -i flile
[23:02] <aguynamedryan> scorched the earth!
[23:03] <hggdh> brb in half-hour
[23:08] <bdmurray> jdstrand: do you know if the new ipw2200 firmware resolves any issues?
[23:08] <jdstrand> bdmurray: the one I recently upgraded?
[23:08] <jdstrand> updated
[23:08] <bdmurray> jdstrand: yeah, I couldn't find a changelog easily
[23:09] <jdstrand> bdmurray: there is no changelog for it (Intel refused to release it)
[23:09] <bdmurray> mmm great
[23:09] <jdstrand> bdmurray: it seemed to make my wife's laptop initialize the card somewhat better
[23:12] <bdmurray> jdstrand: I was wondering if it resolved stuff like "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting".  I can't seem to find the bug I was thinking of though
[23:13] <jdstrand> bdmurray: I don't know. I never saw that too much
[23:13] <jdstrand> bdmurray: it hasn't made it any worse, I can say that much :)
[23:13] <bdmurray> well, that's something!