[00:01] <asac__> fta is completely gone now :/
[00:01] <BUGabundo> heeh
[00:01] <BUGabundo> its just a but
[00:01] <BUGabundo> bit
[00:01] <BUGabundo> reboot
[00:02] <BUGabundo> he will be back
[00:02] <BUGabundo> asac 3g work after reboot only. standby or hibernate stops from finding the dongle
[00:03] <asac__> BUGabundo: good. i also had odd issues here with backtraces in kernel
[00:03] <asac__> BUGabundo: can you try .30 kernel again?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:03] <BUGabundo> don't have any
[00:03] <BUGabundo> all .31
[00:06] <asac__> BUGabundo: you should always keep at least one of each series
[00:06] <BUGabundo> why???
[00:06] <BUGabundo> this is a clean install
[00:06] <asac__> you could grab one from the kernel ppa thing
[00:06] <BUGabundo> 1 month agio
[00:07] <BUGabundo> did not bring any older kernel
[00:07] <asac__> sure. but if you have the chance keep the old versions to track regressions
[00:07] <BUGabundo> too lazy
[00:07] <BUGabundo> you know that
[00:07] <asac__> didnt know you installed new
[00:07] <asac__> i never reinstall ;)
[00:07] <BUGabundo> I keep 4 kernel
[00:07] <BUGabundo> more then I want
[00:07] <BUGabundo> only two work
[00:07] <BUGabundo> 1st time too
[00:07] <BUGabundo> lasted 4 devel cycles
[00:07] <BUGabundo> too small /
[00:07] <asac__> ok good
[00:07] <BUGabundo> only 10GiB
[00:07] <BUGabundo> always above 90%
[00:08] <asac__> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:08] <BUGabundo> so I set a new SINGLE partition
[00:08] <BUGabundo> now trying swap on file
[00:08] <BUGabundo> not ready for prime time
[00:08] <BUGabundo> I know the PPA
[00:08] <asac__> hmm either .31 isnt out or they dont maintain those anymore
[00:08] <asac__> yeah seems rc5 is the latest upstream
[00:08] <asac__> ok
[00:09] <asac__> you could also try the latest .31 kernel from there. the issues i saw looked really to basic to be broken in vanilla kernel ;)
[00:10] <BUGabundo> I can't
[00:10] <BUGabundo> those are JAUNTY sauce builds
[00:11] <BUGabundo> not karmic
[00:11] <BUGabundo> they will break stuff like audio and maube X
[00:12] <crimsun> huh?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> crimsun: isn't that right?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> that was what I was told
[00:13]  * micahg has .30 kernel
[00:14] <BUGabundo> that the kernel ppa builds are for jaunty not karmic
[00:14]  * micahg is running Jaunty :)
[00:15] <BUGabundo> we know!
[00:15] <BUGabundo> you keep saying
[00:15] <BUGabundo> so your X is now ok ???
[00:15] <crimsun> BUGabundo: i don't know what you mean by "for jaunty" - they run fine on karmic
[00:15] <BUGabundo> guess we need a fork ubuntu running on rolling base distro LOL
[00:15] <crimsun> there's nothing in the base chain that requires you run those cod kernels on jaunty
[00:16] <crimsun> jaunty's udev is new enough
[00:16] <BUGabundo> that's what I was told on +1 I thinkg
[00:16] <BUGabundo> not only me, several other terstes
[00:16] <BUGabundo> need to track down the guilty part and wack him with a wet toutgh
[00:16] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[00:16] <BUGabundo> that was hard!!! bad disk ?LOLOL
[01:01] <BUGabundo> time to hit the sack
[01:39] <rleeds> I just got the update which made firefox-3.5 default
[01:40] <rleeds> I selected Keep 3.5 settings, but my addons are all gone
[01:40] <rleeds> so I switched profiles.ini to point to (what I think) is my old profile...and still no luck
[01:40] <rleeds> any ideas?
[01:51] <rleeds> micahg, found it. thanks
[10:28] <micahg> ping asac
[10:33] <micahg> asac: I have to go to sleep, but when you return to the channel, could you please look at bug 407180 -- I commented, but wasn't sure about the workaround the user mentioned.
[10:35] <dupondje> and checkout  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/412418
[10:35] <dupondje> :)
[10:39] <micahg> dupondje: could you please file a crash report
[10:41] <dupondje> how ? :)
[10:43] <micahg> dupondje: do you have apport enabled?
[10:45] <micahg> dupondje: It doesn't crash for me
[10:45] <micahg> but I'm not running karmic
[10:45] <dupondje> 32bit ?
[10:45] <micahg> nope, 64
[10:45] <micahg> do you have apport enabled?
[10:45] <dupondje> ye
[10:45] <micahg> ok
[10:46] <micahg> does it pop up if you generate the crash?
[10:46] <dupondje> it did :p no more now :p
[10:47] <micahg> so it's not longer crashing?
[10:47] <dupondje> it crashes, just no apport ...
[10:47] <micahg> ah
[10:48] <micahg> can you start firefox like so:
[10:48] <micahg> strace -eopen firefox-3.5 2&>1 | tee /tmp/strace_ff35.log
[10:48] <micahg> and then attach that file to the bug after you generate the crash
[10:49] <dupondje> removed all files from /var/crach
[10:49] <dupondje> crash :p
[10:49] <dupondje> and now apport is back
[10:49] <micahg> ah
[10:51] <dupondje> 14mb big :p
[10:51] <micahg> which one?
[10:51] <micahg> the log file
[10:51] <micahg> you can gzip first
[10:56] <micahg> dupondje: I have to go to sleep
[10:56] <micahg> I'll take a look tomorrow night
[10:56] <dupondje> ok
[10:56] <dupondje> :)
[10:57] <micahg> so, if you can attach the strace and/or submit a crash report and note the number in that bug that would be helpful
[11:01] <micahg> thanks asac
[11:02] <asac> np
[11:03] <micahg> asac: is Ubuntu Translations the place to report language problems?  You mentioned langpack-omatic?
[11:06] <dpm> micahg: hi, regarding your question, yes, it is worth opening a bug task for ubuntu-translations as well for language problems. You can ping me as well if you like, but asac will be more knowledgeable on the technical bits.
[11:07] <micahg> dpm: should bug 410060 be in Ubuntu translations instead of lanpack-o-matic?
[11:11]  * dpm is reading
[11:13] <dpm> micahg: I think it is a simple translation (l10n) bug, which probably comes from upstream. As such, it doesn't have anything to do with langpack-o-matic, which is the program used to export translations from Launchpad and create language packs. It might be worth adding ubuntu-translations as a task, but I believe the langpack-o-matic task should be cloased as Invalid. asac: is the Dutch team whitelisted for ff3.0? If it is, this bug could be fixe
[11:13] <dpm> d in Rosetta and released through the next language pack releases
[11:15] <micahg> I moved the project task to Ubuntu Translations
[11:17] <dpm> thanks
[11:17]  * micahg is off to bed
[11:27] <asac> micahg: night
[11:28] <asac> micahg: dpm: the technical bits is often langpack-o-matic too
[11:28] <asac> in this case that would probably hve been the better target ... but i wanted to look at enabling ffox 3.5 and copying existing translations this week
[11:33] <dpm> asac: we were talking about another bug^ (bug 410060), which had nothing to do with langpack-o-matic. But back to the question: is the Dutch team whitelisted for ff3.0? If it is, this bug could be fixed in Rosetta and released through the next language pack releases
[11:36] <asac> dpm:  cat mozilla-rosetta/po2xpi/data/9.10/whitelist.txt
[11:36] <asac> ast
[11:36] <asac> fi
[11:36] <asac> oc
[11:36] <asac> those are the three currently whitelisted
[11:36] <dpm> ah, thanks
[11:36] <asac> but we will enable all any day ;)
[11:36] <asac> for karmic
[11:36] <asac> but that doesnt help here
[11:36] <asac> does the problem also happen when user installs upstream .xpi?
[11:37] <asac> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.13/linux-i686/xpi/
[11:37] <asac> there are the .xpis
[11:38] <asac> commented
[11:42] <dpm> asac: well, if the language is not whitelisted, only the upstream translations are used. After looking at the upstream nl.xpi files, I see that the error comes from there (netError.dtd).
[11:45] <asac> dpm: ok its still in there, then we should forward the bug properly for now
[11:56] <dpm> asac: I'll contact the Dutch translation team and let them forward this to upstream (actually, forwarding I could probably do myself). Also, they should judge whether the translation fix is important enough to justify an update. If they say yes, I think the easiest thing to do would be for them to fix this in LP and export the translation into the next Jaunty language pack update
[12:04] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/412418 <- asac, check last comment, kinda weird ...
[12:07] <asac> dupondje: can you reproduce?
[12:08] <dupondje> yep
[12:08] <dupondje> always
[12:08] <asac> dupondje: -safe-mode too?
[12:08] <asac> DownThemAll! (version: 1.1.4)
[12:08] <asac> SmoothWheel (AMO) (version: 0.44.18.20090408.3)
[12:08] <asac>  Ad blocker (version: 0.6.5) -
[12:09] <asac> ok i can see this too
[12:09] <asac> please check this with upstream builds and if it happens too forward and give me bug id
[13:52] <sveinung> Hello
[13:52] <sveinung> Thank you for uploading mozilla-devscripts to debian and implementing substvars in it
[13:57] <bdrung_> sveinung: yw. feel free to report any issue with it.
[13:57] <statik> hi asac, just nagging about bindwood package - did you get a chance to look at uploading since last thursday?
[13:57] <bdrung_> sveinung: or any improvement
[13:59] <sveinung> I was wondering if you would mind me trying to get all-in-one-sidebar uploaded to Debian. A nice way to test if some improvement is needed. If you already have plans to do it yourself I can help if you want me to.
[13:59] <sveinung> (aios uses mozilla-devscripts)
[14:00] <bdrung_> what is aios?
[14:00] <sveinung> all_in_one_sidebar
[14:00] <sveinung> firefox extension
[14:01] <sveinung> I did the previous two updates of all-in-one-sidebar in Ubuntu (the bzr branch for the last update is not merged yet but the package is in the Ubuntu archive) so I think I won't break it ;)
[14:01] <bdrung_> sveinung: i do not know this extension.
[14:01] <sveinung> it gives you a sidebar in Firefox
[14:02] <sveinung> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/all-in-one-sidebar
[14:04] <bdrung_> sveinung: you should search, if there is a wnpp report for it. if not you can file one
[14:04] <bdrung_> sveinung: with -devscripts in debian it makes packaging easy
[14:05] <sveinung> I know :)
[14:05] <sveinung> just wanted to know if you would mind it
[14:05] <sveinung> (for examle if you had plans to upolad it)
[14:05] <sveinung> (since it already is in Ubuntu)
[14:06] <bdrung_> sveinung: you should probably ask sebner (initial packager)
[14:06] <bdrung_> sveinung: or asac
[14:06] <sveinung> ok
[14:06] <bdrung_> sveinung: otherwise go ahead :)
[14:20] <asac> we have all-in-one-sidebar in archive
[14:22] <bdrung_> asac: that was not the question
[14:25] <sveinung> asac: i wondered if you were OK with me trying to get it into Debian (or if you had plans to do it yourself)
[14:26] <sveinung> (or was opposed to it for other reasons)
[14:32] <bdrung_> sebner: do you have plans to bring all-in-one-sidebar to Debian or would you like to see sveinung to do this?
[14:52]  * asac_ is exhausted from the knetworkmanager triaging
[15:06] <bdrung_> asac: then come back to gnome :)
[15:29] <asac> bdrung_: i _am_ on gnome
[15:29] <asac> and it took me half of the night to finally get things so that i could debug the real issue
[15:30] <asac> just because kde folks didnt add all dependencies that were needed ;)
[15:30] <bdrung_> asac: that's bad.
[15:31] <asac> well. now i learned it the hard way
[15:31] <asac> so at least i can look into knetworkmanager things ;)
[15:31] <asac> previously i just refused with "thats far too dirty for me to touch" ;)
[15:32] <bdrung_> that was probably simpler :)
[15:32] <asac> had to triage the low level libs to find out that i missed a package ,)
[15:32] <asac> yeah
[15:32] <asac> but every cycle knetworkmanager was broken
[15:32] <asac> that breaks my heart
[15:33] <bdrung_> thats not good
[16:51] <sveinung> bdrung: tanks for your post to pkg-mozext-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org. It was better formulated than what I was about to post in my clumsy English.
[16:51] <sveinung> However it seems like it didn't get through to the list. At least I can't find it in the mail archives yet. (http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mozext-maintainers/2009-August/000109.html) Are you registered? If not: do you want me to forward it for you?
[16:52] <bdrung> sveinung: yw. my english is probably not even better. :)
[16:53] <sveinung> bdrung: yw? (Sorry, I'm not used to IRC)
[16:53] <bdrung> sveinung: i am registered there, but i used my gmail address instead of the ubuntu one for sending the mail. the mail is waiting to be moderated
[16:53] <sveinung> ok
[16:54] <bdrung> sveinung: you're welcome
[16:54] <bdrung> :)
[16:54] <bdrung> sveinung: you can use the "wtf" program for such abbreviations :)
[16:55] <sveinung> tanks
[16:55] <sveinung> *thanks
[16:55] <bdrung> nice typo :)
[17:00] <asac> bdrung: is that a new thread?
[17:01] <bdrung> asac: new thread?
[17:01] <bdrung> what?
[17:01]  * bdrung is confused.
[17:08] <asac> about the CDBS thing
[17:08] <asac> i am replying too
[17:08] <asac> noit sure what you wrote ;)
[17:14] <bdrung> asac: i wrote something similar. i setup now my ubuntu email address and can resend it via it.
[17:17] <asac> bdrung: are you subscribed? i think i was whitelisted at some point
[17:17] <asac> or someone subscribed me to it
[17:18] <bdrung> asac: my ubuntu address is subscribed, but not the gmail address.
[17:18] <asac> ah
[17:19] <bdrung> asac: i finally setup evolution (after having the ubuntu address for month)
[17:19] <asac> doppelt haelt besser ;)
[17:19] <bdrung> :)
[17:19] <bdrung> asac: or: zu viele köche verderben den brei
[17:24] <asac> bdrung: dont be pessimistic ;)
[17:24] <bdrung> asac: i am an optimist with experience :p
[17:25] <asac> as long as we dont disagree its fine i think ;)
[17:25] <bdrung> asac: there are only 10 types of persons: the optimists and the optimists with experience.
[17:26] <micahg> asac: do we suggest installing upstream language xpis until we produce our own?
[17:27] <asac> bdrung: so one thing for 0.15 i almost forgot was "better debhelper" support ;)
[17:27] <asac> micahg: we suggest to use english
[17:27] <asac> we are not even at alpha4
[17:27] <asac> its important to have translations
[17:27] <bdrung> asac: better debhelper support?
[17:27] <asac> but not that important for folks that probably rely on being able to get support from international communities
[17:27] <micahg> ok, user was talking about jaunty more than karmic with regard to translations
[17:28] <asac> at least thats my idea on it ;)
[17:28] <asac> micahg: which languages are missing?
[17:28] <asac> we have almost all
[17:28] <micahg> ff3.5
[17:28] <asac> maybe 2 or 3 were added
[17:28] <asac> micahg: if they really need it they can use xpis
[17:28] <asac> but we dont encourage them
[17:29] <asac> at least i wouldnt to because those extensions will hide the system once forever
[17:29] <micahg> well, user was wondering why we don't post he workaround to get the upstream xpis in the master bug
[17:29] <asac> micahg: tell them to remember and write down a few times to uninstall them when they upgrade to karmic
[17:29] <asac> ;)
[17:29] <micahg> and I response idk, I but i'll find out
[17:29] <asac> micahg: because of the reason i mentioned
[17:29] <asac> even if we tell folks to remember to uninstall them
[17:29] <asac> they will surely not remember
[17:30] <micahg> right
[17:30] <asac> as they wont see a problem until they upgrade to 3.6
[17:30] <micahg> like flash 9 :)
[17:30] <asac> then they dont have translations and then cause maintenance problems
[17:30] <asac> best way would be to provide lang packs somewhere in ppa or so
[17:30] <asac> but i am not sure about that
[17:30] <micahg> so, I should just reply we don't recommend using upstream xpis at this time?
[17:32] <asac> micahg: yes. point them that there is the option and tell them about the risk and to remember blah blah blah ...
[17:32] <micahg> ok :)
[17:32] <asac> they will find the instructions somewhere anyway
[17:32] <asac> so better put it there with the background
[17:33] <asac> maybe some folks will remember when this happens and can help instead of putting load on us
[17:36] <micahg> asac: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/252025/
[17:36] <bdrung> asac: what do you mean with "better debhelper support"?
[17:37] <bdrung> asac: what needs to be done?
[17:46] <asac> bdrung: a easy way (or maybe just instructions) on how to hook it up
[17:46] <asac> example if all is fine
[17:46] <asac> not sure though ;)
[17:46] <asac> maybe also integrating in debhelper v7 ... which does more on its own afaik
[17:47] <asac> but i am out of sync there ;)
[17:47] <bdrung> asac: does debhelper v7 support "plugins"?
[17:49] <asac> ENOCLUE ;)
[17:49] <asac> but we have a few weeks before we need to get 0.15 out i hope
[17:50] <bdrung> asac: do you know some debhelper hacker hanging out on irc?
[17:50] <bdrung> asac: you probably mean -ENOCLUE :)
[17:51] <asac> i dont even know who is a debhelper hacker
[17:51] <asac> lets check manpages
[17:51] <asac> joey hess
[17:51] <asac> no clue if he is in #debian-deve on oftc
[17:51] <micahg> I'm assuming bug 375205 is an upstream issue?
[17:52] <asac> most likely
[17:52] <asac> i think its safe to foward. but check for existing bugs ;)
[17:52] <micahg> ok, will do later tonight
[17:52] <micahg> I opened an upstream task in the mean time
[17:53] <asac> ok i am dropping out. worked almost all night. need to get away from system
[17:54] <asac> talk to you tomorrow!
[17:54] <micahg> ok, bye asac
[17:54] <bdrung> asac: bye
[17:54] <asac> thx
[18:46] <sebner> bdrung: please take it. It was just one try to package a mozilla extension and to make asac happy =) thx for asking
[18:47] <bdrung> sebner: sveinung wants to bring it to Debian.
[18:47] <bdrung> sveinung: ^
[18:47] <sebner> bdrung: I know, just read his mail
[18:47] <bdrung> sebner: ah, ok
[18:48] <sveinung> good
[19:44] <fta> PPA exceeded its size limit (42629.00 of 40600.00 MiB).
[19:46] <bdrung> fta: over 40 gig for what?
[19:47] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:47] <fta> but it's volatile
[19:47] <fta> i can't push 2 releases in 24h
[20:25] <bdrung> fta: maybe chromium should provide a data package.
[20:43] <fta> bdrung, it will do no good. the only indep files are the lang packs (i already have the -l10n deb) and inspector
[20:44] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18121
[20:48] <bdrung> fta: but why is the binary package 17 mib big?
[20:48] <fta> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 29177904 2009-08-11 19:46 chromium-browser
[20:49] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10119816 2009-08-11 19:46 libnpapi_test_plugin.so
[20:49] <fta> this one i should probably drop
[20:51] <bdrung> compared to
[20:51] <bdrung> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root  93048 2009-08-05 11:45 firefox-3.5
[20:51] <bdrung> fta: one more reason not to try chromium
[20:51] <fta> compare with libxul and all the other libs
[20:51] <fta> chromium is statically built, not firefox/xul
[20:52] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16346616 2009-08-11 18:28 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2a2pre/libxul.so
[20:52] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1375792 2009-08-11 18:28 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2a2pre/libmozjs.so
[20:54] <bdrung> fta: ok, then the diff is not that big
[20:55] <fta> and i'm working on making chromium use more system libs, so it will shrink a bit
[20:55] <fta> but not much i'm afraid
[20:57] <fta> it's not the reason why the ppa is so big
[20:57] <fta>  chromium-testsuite-dbg_4.0.202.0~svn20090812r23134-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb  (799.9 MiB)
[20:57] <fta> this is why
[20:57] <fta> 4x3x800MB
[20:58] <fta> #  chromium-testsuite_4.0.202.0~svn20090812r23134-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb  (209.3 MiB)
[20:58] <fta> +4x3*210MB
[20:58] <fta> #  chromium-browser-dbg_4.0.202.0~svn20090812r23134-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb  (116.3 MiB)
[20:58] <fta> +4x3*116MB
[20:59] <bdrung> wow, the testsuites are really big
[20:59] <fta> side effect of static builds
[21:08] <fta> asac, i should probably stop the songbird PPA, it's been broken for a while (no time to fix it), no one noticed (or at least no one complained or offered a fix), and worse, i'm not even using it
[21:13] <BUGabundo> oias
[21:58] <Mook_sb> fta: ah; didn't realize the ppa died; looks like a patch failed to apply, though, so it doesn't seem to be anything I can do.
[22:01] <fta> Mook_sb, well, it's my burden to fix those stuff usually, but i'm spending my time on something else. i just can't do it all by myself anymore
[22:01] <Mook_sb> fta: yeah; it's all right, I was just randomly poking in to see if I could help
[22:01] <Mook_sb> no pressure on you to fix anything :)
[23:10] <asac> fta: i will send out a call for help
[23:11] <asac> there were more than one asking how to help on ppas ;)
[23:11] <asac> now its their chance
[23:53] <fta> THUNDERBIRD_2_0_0_23_BUILD1
[23:55] <BUGabundo> fta: a tiny bit too fast
[23:55] <BUGabundo> asac only came *after*
[23:55] <fta> THUNDERBIRD_2_0_0_23_BUILD1
[23:56]  * BUGabundo hears an echo