[00:57] <Riddell> yay, all 5 CDs working for me
[01:19] <lex79> can someone upload this? launchpad bug 412786, thanks
[01:24] <shtylman> Riddell: the ubiquity stuff get straightened out I take it?
[01:27] <Riddell> shtylman: yes
[01:28] <Riddell> although the fix is suspiciously small
[01:28] <shtylman> thats a bad thing?
[01:29]  * shtylman is looking at the fix....why does it look like such a hack?
[01:30] <ScottK> How can soprano-sesame-backend be source multiverse, binary universe?
[01:31] <Riddell> shtylman: I'm just not sure how it needed lots of changes on the gtk side and  very little on kde side
[01:31] <Riddell> ScottK: nope, it's non free and multiverse is where it goes
[01:31] <shtylman> maybe the way I was already supporting/handling the timezones?
[01:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Right, but then how can the binaries be free?
[01:31] <shtylman> does it work now?
[01:32] <ScottK> soprano-backend-sesame | 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 | karmic/multiverse | source
[01:32] <ScottK> soprano-backend-sesame | 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 | karmic/universe | amd64, i386
[01:33] <Riddell> hum, ythat's not right
[01:36] <shtylman> Riddell: do we have a slideshow in this version?
[01:38] <ScottK> Riddell: It's also that way in Jaunty.
[01:38] <ScottK> NCommander: kdegames built on armel, so that's one fix verified.
[01:39] <Riddell> ScottK: fixed
[01:40] <Riddell> shtylman: no, shuld we?
[01:40] <Riddell> my internet seems busted tonight, makes typiing hard
[01:41] <ScottK> Riddell: What about Jaunty?
[01:43] <Riddell> fixed that too
[01:44] <ScottK> Cool.  Didn't know we could do that
[01:44]  * ScottK makes a note
[01:46] <shtylman> Riddell: no idea...was just curious if we have made our own slides yet...
[01:46] <shtylman> and you said the installer fix was too small...but does it actually work now?
[01:46] <shtylman> in the correct ways?
[01:47] <Riddell> yes as far as I've tested
[01:47] <Riddell> which is English language in UK
[01:47] <shtylman> ok..thats good to know...what had to change on the gtk side that we didn't have to do?
[01:48] <Riddell> shtylman: dunno I didn't study7 the code much
[01:49] <shtylman> gotcha
[01:49] <shtylman> well...guess we will know if we get bug reports :)
[01:53] <shtylman> so I think the reason the changes were a bit less for the kde side is because I was already doing the things they needed to add to the gtk side
[01:53] <shtylman> like changing the map based on city change combo...and also had split off my own storage of regional based city lookup
[01:54] <shtylman> I think I did all that long time ago when transitioning to the new timezone map for jaunty
[02:44]  * Daskreech waves
[02:45] <Daskreech> can KDM not logging in automatically in a licve CD be a paperkut?
[02:47] <Riddell> ?  that would be a bug
[02:47] <Daskreech> Riddell: I mean after logout
[02:47] <Daskreech> i.e. Boot up Live CD get a live environment with nopasswd sudo and a random passwd
[02:48] <Daskreech> Logout of Desktop -> GEt a Login screen with no possible way to login
[02:49] <Daskreech> and now they don't have the TTYs autologged in on bootup so the only thing that you can do is reboot the computer. Would be nice if you logout of the desktop after bootup it would pause on the login screen and then login atuomaticallu
[02:49] <Daskreech> s|llu|lly
[02:50] <Daskreech> KDM supports it so I think it would just be making that setting on bydefault. Timed Login I think it's set as
[02:53] <Riddell> it should just not offer logout I'd say
[02:53] <Daskreech> :-p
[02:54] <Daskreech> I think that you know that there are quite a few ways to get logged out aside from pressing the logout button
[02:54] <Daskreech> and Why the arbritary restriction on not logging out ?
[02:54] <Riddell> it's a live CD, why would you ever want to log out
[02:55] <Daskreech> You made a new user?
[02:55] <Daskreech> You installed drivers to get compositing ?
[02:56] <Daskreech> Something froze and you killed X?
[02:56] <Daskreech> alt+Sysreq+K
[02:56] <Riddell> not the usual live CD use cases I'd have thought
[02:56] <Daskreech> Someone was impressed with the smooth transistion between the splash and the desktop and you wanted to show it off again?
[02:57] <Daskreech> ^^^ that one is :)
[03:00] <Daskreech> oh Riddell cool you are here I wanted to ask about the other desktop types. I read that there are three new desktop types?
[03:02] <Riddell> how do you mean desktop types?
[03:02] <Riddell> there's the netbook
[03:02] <Daskreech> one second
[03:02] <Daskreech> http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-43-early-preview/
[03:03] <Daskreech> They mention a cluttered Desktop and blackboard desktop types
[03:05] <Riddell> hmm, I don't seem to have them
[03:06] <Riddell> not sure where they're hidden I'm afraid
[03:06] <Daskreech> let me look in the svn to see where they are
[03:07] <Daskreech> Riddell: are we still interested in having a kubuntu-ultimate package ?
[03:07] <Riddell> Daskreech: what's that?
[03:07] <Daskreech> A one package that will install all the KDE stuff settings we would ship if we had a infinite size CD
[03:07] <Daskreech> So the wallpapers the plasma addons the runners etc
[03:08] <Riddell> hmm, well there is already kde-full
[03:09] <Daskreech> oh?
[03:09]  * Daskreech walks to look at it
[03:11] <Riddell> we still want the meta pacakge of all plasma widgets done
[03:13] <NCommander> ScottK, w00t
[03:13] <Riddell> hi NCommander, are you to thank for qt compiling on all arches?
[03:14] <NCommander> Riddell, thank infinity, he was the one who reinstalled the buildds to use jaunty.
[03:14] <NCommander> Riddell, (I simply did some debugging on it, but he's the real hero)
[03:15] <Riddell> what difference does that make?
[03:16] <Daskreech> moodin is KDE3 right?
[03:16] <Riddell> yes
[03:17] <Daskreech> No replacement for KDE4 as yet?
[03:18] <Riddell> well the new ksplash is much better
[03:19] <Daskreech> moodin was a splash creator as I understand?
[03:19] <Daskreech> So you can make things now for ksplash much easier?
[03:19] <Riddell> probably not but the end result is better
[03:22] <NCommander> Riddell, don't ask
[03:22] <NCommander> Riddell, something about running a karmic chroot on a lenny base causes Bad Mojo(tm) to happen
[03:22] <Riddell> we use lenny?
[03:22] <NCommander> used
[03:23] <Riddell> ok
[03:23] <NCommander> We didn't have Ubuntu armel when the port was bootstrapped ;-)
[03:23] <NCommander> So the buildds have been running lenny until very recently
[03:23] <Riddell> I wonder if we should look into arm images for kubuntu netbook one day
[03:23] <NCommander> Riddell, the lack of graphics acceleration ATM is going to hurt
[03:23] <Riddell> would probably need someone to have hardware to test it on too I suppose, details details
[03:24]  * NCommander won't run KDE on any machine that can't do accelerated graphics
[03:24] <Riddell> works fine on my machine with crappy S3 video card
[03:25] <NCommander> You still have 2D accelaration on that thing
[03:26] <NCommander> When /dev/fb0 is all you got, you are hurting
[03:26] <NCommander> (granted, the situation may be better w/ 4.3 vs. 4.2)
[03:36] <Daskreech> ok plasma has me mighty confused via the source :)
[03:38] <Daskreech> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.3/kdebase/workspace/plasma/containments/
[03:39] <Daskreech> I'm looking for where to go from there
[03:55] <nixternal> anyone here use eric for doing python work?
[03:57] <Daskreech> nixternal: Want to help me with a little hunt :)
[03:57] <nixternal> what's up?
[03:59] <Daskreech> I'm trying to find the folderview contatinment in the svn
[03:59] <Daskreech> containment
[04:02] <nixternal> Daskreech: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps/plasma/applets/folderview/
[04:15] <Daskreech> nixternal: That's an applet I want the containment
[04:45] <ScottK> NCommander and Riddell: Seems to me that plasma-netbook runs a lot faster than regular plasma-desktop.  It might actually work on armel.   Certainly better than desktop.  Once plasma-netbook gets a little more complete it'd probably make sense to swap the Kubuntu Desktop armel ISO for a netbook one.  We had armel testers in Jaunty, so we can probably get them again.
[05:17] <DaskreeCH> nixternal: home :)
[05:27] <ScottK> ryanakca and Riddell: snapfish.com flash based bulk photo uploader works in Firefox and not in Konqueror/Arora.
[05:51] <DaskreeCH> I think that we may not want the kde-full == kubuntu-full
[07:40] <ScottK> txwikinger_work: Looks like ichtux-desktop needs some updating.
[07:41] <ScottK> txwikinger_work: gtk-qt-engine and gtk-qt-engine-kde4 are nbs and not removed due to it.
[07:56] <DaskreeCH> can we install Goolg gadgets support in Kubuntu ?
[07:56] <DaskreeCH> Google
[07:58] <ScottK> Need Firefox for that.
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: Serious?
[08:21] <maco> a user in #ubuntu today demonstrated https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/99740 with dolphin
[08:21] <maco> as in, dolphin was fullscreen and no way to leave full screen except to switch from compiz to metacity
[08:22] <maco> only commonality i know between dolphin and ff is: c++
[08:22] <maco> that seems silly
[08:23] <DaskreeCH> They were using compiz ith Dolphin ?
[08:23] <DaskreeCH> with
[08:24] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: That's what I've been told.
[08:24] <maco> yes
[08:24] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: Ugh.
[08:24] <maco> gnome user who likes dolphin
[08:26] <DaskreeCH> maco: Sounds like abugin Compiz
[11:38] <davmor2> Whats the actual name of the ublog plasmoid please
[11:40] <davmor2> should the the ublog app show what the people you're following are saying?
[12:04] <Riddell> davmor2: twitter
[12:04] <Riddell> it shows a feed of friends but I've never quite worked out which
[12:05] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes twitter I can't even see that
[12:57] <Riddell> davmor2: is knetworkmanager working for  you in the kubuntu installs?
[12:59] <davmor2> Riddell: It worked on the 2 wubi installs I just did as I connected to the web and ublog and amarok to magnatunes
[12:59] <davmor2> Riddell: I can try a cd install after
[13:00] <Riddell> that's fine, it's taken to not doing any action for me, which is a problem other people were showing me last week before the 0.8 change
[13:00] <davmor2> not wubi sorry netboot
[13:01] <Riddell> install method is unlikely to make a difference
[13:01] <Riddell> davmor2: have your tried OEM recently?
[13:04] <davmor2> Riddell: it failed chronically yesterday I can't see it being greatly improved today.  However I am running an oem test currently on ubuntu alt
[13:05] <ryanakca> Is there somewheres on the daily CDs that shows the CD's date? At times I'm not sure which CD is which...
[13:05] <Riddell> oh well, thanks for trying
[13:07] <davmor2> ryanakca: how are you downloading them?
[13:08] <ryanakca> davmor2: rsync.
[13:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: you can check the md5sum
[13:14] <davmor2> ryanakca: why do you have more than one iso then?
[13:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 409966 ...possibly backport all new 2.0.3?
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh aye.  I keep forgetting the magic new backport commands is the trouble
[13:20] <apachelogger> I see :)
[13:21] <ryanakca> davmor2: burned CDs?
[13:48] <jussi01> hrm, is this qualifying for a paperkut? in dolphin, when I use a sftp:// address, it asks if I want to save the password (i do). if I use a smb:// address it does not ask, and I still do...
[13:50] <Mamarok> gah, I am off from #kubuntu a while, that Guest80840 chap is going on my nerves
[13:51] <Riddell> how's this?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha4/Kubuntu
[13:51] <Riddell> Mamarok: seems that problem solved itself :)
[13:51] <Mamarok> jussi01: could you have a look there? now somebody tells people to use OS X...
[13:52] <jussi01> Mamarok: Im only vaguely here...
[13:52] <ScottK> jussi01: If it has an easy solution, then I think it could be a paperkut.
[13:53] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah, I just dont know if its an easy solution, hence Im asking here ;)
[13:55] <ScottK> Tonio knows the most about the smb stuff here, I think.
[13:58] <Mamarok> gah, now he is spreading lies in #kde
[13:58] <Mamarok> Riddell: could yu have a look there? >I am not Nepomuk/Strigi proof enough
[13:59] <Mamarok> you* even
[14:01] <apachelogger> nepmuk is a lie :P
[14:02] <asac> i assume that no news is good news wrt knetworkmanager + kubuntu alpha4?
[14:03] <asac> Riddell: ?
[14:04] <Mamarok> well, that guy pretends he can't stop it, and that is a blatant lie
[14:04] <Riddell> asac: it's working for our hard working tester davmor2, I'm seeing another bug where it doesn't start the connection at all, but I also had people report that when using NM 0.7 so it's an older issue
[14:04] <davmor2> asac: I is just about to do another kubuntu run so I can confirm shortly
[14:04] <asac> Riddell: ok as long as basic stuff works its good and better than before
[14:05] <asac> so 0.7.1 worked wrt to the fix we landed
[14:05] <asac> but the last uploads we had in the archive should already have been broken simiarly
[14:05] <rgreening> Riddell: is this uploaded to a PPA somewhere?
[14:05] <asac> Riddell: you sure those have workspace properly upgraded too?
[14:05] <asac> davmor2: what should work is probably wired + wifi open,wep and wpa-psk
[14:05] <Riddell> rgreening: is what?
[14:05] <asac> also would be interesting to test wpa-EAP
[14:06] <asac> but i guess you dont have such an AP at hand?
[14:06] <Riddell> asac: I don't no
[14:06] <apachelogger> I think mine does that
[14:06] <asac> ok ... unless we know that i would think its a mismatch still
[14:07] <asac> apachelogger: not for now. but we should definitly try the various enterprise options
[14:07] <davmor2> asac: no I have 2 wireless one of which is a fon so has wep and open and my personal one which is wpa -psk I think
[14:07] <asac> which was always pretty broken for knetworkmanager ... and which i wanted to see improved this cycle finally
[14:07] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:07] <rgreening> Riddell: knetwork managler :)
[14:07] <Riddell> rgreening: it's in the main karmic archive
[14:07] <Riddell> birthday hug for seele!
[14:08]  * apachelogger birthdayhugs seele
[14:08] <asac> apachelogger: i think you need to setup some radius server or something to make use of that.
[14:08] <rgreening> oh... the updates you and asac are discussing has been uploaded to main?
[14:08] <seele> yay hugs!
[14:08] <smarter> Konversation seems to create a "$HOME" directory in my home and puts the log in .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs there
[14:08] <asac> apachelogger: in case you do that it would be great to get a brain dump on a wiki somewhere
[14:08]  * rgreening bear hugs seele *squish*
[14:08] <smarter> does it do that for anyone else?
[14:08] <smarter> happy birthday seele :)
[14:08] <asac> rgreening: i am not sure. but i thought Riddell uploaded everything yesterday
[14:08] <apachelogger> smarter: there is a BR about that, jonny is on it AFAIK, the issue is in kds
[14:09] <smarter> okay
[14:09] <asac> congrats seele!
[14:09] <Riddell> asac: I did, and it's on the alpha 4 CDs
[14:09] <rgreening> hmm... my wireless never worked last night...
[14:09] <asac> nice
[14:09] <Riddell> smarter: yes that's the default settings
[14:09] <asac> rgreening: which version of   kdebase-workspace* ?
[14:09]  * seele thanks everyone
[14:09] <rgreening> asac: checking...
[14:09]  * smarter just commited a crash fix to Konversation
[14:09] <smarter> I'll let someone else handle this bug :p
[14:10] <apachelogger> I suppose jonny already committed a fix
[14:10] <smarter> nh
[14:10] <apachelogger> a quickfix one might say
[14:10] <smarter> *nah
[14:10] <smarter> I'm on latest svn
[14:10] <apachelogger> I mean to kds
[14:11] <apachelogger> yus LogfilePath=.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[14:11] <smarter> oh, yes
[14:11] <ScottK> I thought the konversation thing got fixed already
[14:11] <rgreening> asac 4:4.3.0b-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[14:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: UNRELEASED it sez
[14:12] <ScottK> Ah
[14:12] <rgreening> oh man.... that 'b' rev came from a PPA and the one in main doesn't have the 'b'... Riddell/asac....
[14:12] <ScottK> rgreening: Need get get the package from the archive.
[14:12] <asac> rgreening: not sure if the ppa thing already has the fix
[14:13] <asac> rgreening: at best downgraded to archive version for now
[14:13] <Riddell> get rid of PPA versions
[14:13] <asac> which got prepatched
[14:13] <ScottK> asac and Riddell: no network detected here using the current archive packages.
[14:13] <apachelogger> if someone sees tonio, please poke him into not exceeding 80 characters per line in debian/changelog
[14:13] <rgreening> dang...
[14:13] <smarter> about Arora: icefox has been working on wallet support for the last few days and should get it into master soon, I'll try to plug kwallet dbus api in that soon
[14:13] <apachelogger> oh, actually
[14:13] <asac> ScottK: driver?
[14:13] <apachelogger> kwwii:
[14:13] <ScottK> asac: bcmwl
[14:13] <apachelogger> kwwii: don't exceed 80 characters per line in debian/changelog :P
[14:13] <ScottK> Works fine with ifup/ifdown
[14:13] <asac> ScottK: i guess you dont have nm-applet installed so you can cross check if its an applet issue at all?
[14:14] <asac> feels like its a driver thing ... killall wpa_supplicant and reload the driver might help you get up to speed ;)
[14:14] <ScottK> asac: I don't, but I can switch back to /network/interfaces and get it.
[14:14] <ScottK> OK
[14:14] <ScottK> Doing a live cd test at the moment.  I'll report back in a bit.
[14:14] <asac> ScottK: yeah. you can manually connect to stuff even if scanning is broken ;)... thats how drivers are. but i dont want to rule out a applet bug
[14:15] <ScottK> sure
[14:16] <asac> but if someone says bcmwl my answer defaults to "driver" ;)
[14:16] <asac> especially after suspend/resume its prone to go to bad state
[14:16] <ScottK> reasonable
[14:17] <ScottK> What's the package name for the gnome thing?
[14:17] <asac> network-manager-gnome
[14:17] <ScottK> Thanks
[14:17] <asac> killall knetworkmanager; nm-applet
[14:22] <ScottK> asac: nm-applet connects fine
[14:23] <rgreening> ZaReason will have Ubuntu/Kubuntu netbook options :)
[14:23] <rgreening> whee
[14:23] <ScottK> rgreening: Link?
[14:23] <Riddell> rgreening: ZaReason ?
[14:23] <rgreening> http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/12/zareason-launches-ubuntu-linux-netbook/
[14:24] <rgreening> :)
[14:24] <rgreening> I may buy one of those... after Karmic is fully baked
[14:24] <asac> ScottK: symptoms for knetworkmanager are that you dont see any network at all?
[14:24] <ScottK> asac: Yes
[14:25] <rgreening> http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16216
[14:25] <asac> odd
[14:25] <ScottK> This is also on Kubuntu Netbook, so I suppose if it works for other people, it's vaguely possible some plasma-netbook thing is breaking it.
[14:26] <asac> hmm
[14:26] <ScottK> rgreening: Do you see wireless APs with the Knm thing?
[14:27] <asac> so when you dont see any ap in there, do you see the APs in nm-tool?
[14:27] <rgreening> ScottK: I have to restart, since I had to install the archive packages (stupid PPA and archive were mismatched)
[14:27] <ScottK> OK.  Please let me know.
[14:27] <rgreening> will do shortly...
[14:27]  * asac wonders if there is a certain AP that somehow causes knetworkmanager to choke
[14:27] <ScottK> asac: I do see them (and connect) with the nm-applet
[14:28] <asac> ok and switching back to knetworkmanager triggers the same symptoms?
[14:28]  * ScottK tries
[14:30] <apachelogger> lex79: when you commit to bzr, please just invoke debcommit, makes up way more useful messages :P
[14:31] <apachelogger> lex79: and if you feel like it, you can use uploaders to use debcommit -R -r, which will also createa useful message + add a tag :D
[14:31] <ScottK> asac: It sees it now, but I still can't connect.  I click on the network to connect and nothing happens.
[14:32] <asac> thats the symptom we had before
[14:32] <ScottK> I'm going to reboot to make sure it couldn't see it due to something being cached
[14:32] <asac> i will verify the packages in archive after lunch
[14:32] <rgreening> ScottK: those were the symptoms I was having all along
[14:32] <asac> ScottK: you could do a killall NetworkManager and run NetworkManager --no-daemon
[14:32] <asac> then wait till the output has stopped and start knetworkmanager
[14:32] <rgreening> asac: check to see if the patches applied (missing quilt is a possibility)
[14:33] <ScottK> asac: I'll remember that.  I hit reboot already.
[14:33] <asac> hehe
[14:33] <Riddell> ScottK: that's the bug I have
[14:33] <asac> ScottK: yeah. some messages go to console ... especially those about bad config elements sent to NM
[14:33] <asac> so you will only see that in --no-daemon mode
[14:33] <ScottK> ok
[14:33] <ScottK> fortunately rebooting is much faster now
[14:33] <asac> hehe
[14:33] <asac> not for me ;)
[14:34] <asac> it hangs for ages probing for a non existing fd0 ;)
[14:34] <ScottK> lovely
[14:34] <asac> i should file a bug as this seems to not go away ;)
[14:35] <ScottK> It saw it after reboot.
[14:35] <ScottK> It must have been some weirdness due to me switching from /etc/networking/interfaces
[14:35] <asac> Riddell: your patch is really not applied ;)
[14:35] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30229437/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.3.0-0ubuntu6_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[14:36] <asac> search for tu_92_networkmanager_branch.diff
[14:36] <asac> its only in the changelog ;)
[14:36] <ScottK> That'll do it.
[14:36] <asac> yeah
[14:36] <asac> i am sure. its the same symptom we (supposely) fixed
[14:37] <ScottK> Yep, not in the series file
[14:37] <davmor2> asac, Riddell: Bugger I need to install first I forgot about my crappy broadcom wifi in my laptop, to used the atheros in my netbook
[14:37] <ScottK> Not there at all actually.
[14:38] <Riddell> asac: !
[14:38] <asac> hehe
[14:38] <asac> so i guess thats the reason
[14:38] <asac> ok off for lunch
[14:39] <asac> tomorrow i will take a swap day so talk to you on weekend or monday
[14:39] <davmor2> asac: I'll leave you a note on what worked
[14:39] <asac> davmor2: yeah. but wait for the patch to actually land ;)
[14:39] <asac> without that it doesnt make much sense
[14:39] <asac> wired will work
[14:39] <asac> but wifi not
[14:39] <asac> (i guess)
[14:41] <ScottK> I'm gonna toss it into my ppa and see
[14:41] <yuriy> so what's all this work going on with knetworkmanager? because it seems entirely nonfunctional to me
[14:41] <ScottK> The patch was in bzr
[14:41] <ScottK> yuriy: missing patch in kdebase-workspace.  Just figured it out
[14:41] <Riddell> sorry all, my afault
[14:42] <Riddell> fix committed, will upload after testing
[14:42] <asac> A fault ... like a class A failure ?;)
[14:42] <asac> ok just kidding
[14:42]  * asac out
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Was there more fixing needed than what was in bzr already?
[14:44] <Riddell> leaves the mystery of how it worked for davmor2
[14:44] <Riddell> ScottK: no just that patch added to debian/patches/series
[14:44] <davmor2> Riddell: wired
[14:44] <Riddell> ah
[14:45] <yuriy> doesn't really work for me on wired. sure i have a connection, but the applet doesn't actually do anything
[14:45] <ScottK> If you got a connection, it did do something
[14:47] <yuriy> it lists all my network devices in the menu, some twice, with no useful information, clicking them doesn't do anything, and there is nothing listed in the manual configuration screen
[14:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 358659 ... opinions about 1.?
[14:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: I tend to think that a maximum of content should be targeted everytime, and hiding the tabbar unless there are tabs seems like a sensible way to archive this
[14:48] <yuriy> and no close buttons on tabs
[14:49] <ScottK> I like close buttons on tabs
[14:49] <apachelogger> +1
[14:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think that both of those requests are enough opinion that will vary that we should not deviate from upstream.
[14:49] <apachelogger> ok
[14:50] <ScottK> Any answer other than "we get it from upstream this way" is just one set of prefs over another.
[14:50] <ScottK> So the bug needs upstreaming and should be answered there
[14:51] <ScottK> agateau: The quassel devs are interested in indicator integration.  You might give Sput a ping when you have a moment.
[14:51] <davmor2> Riddell: the desktop is very clicky you get a click before any sound plays and then a click shortly after it has played
[14:51] <agateau> ScottK: great!
[14:51] <Riddell> davmor2: blame sound people :)
[14:52] <agateau> ScottK: but this will probably have to wait a bit: I can't work on Quassel this week, and I am off next week
[14:52] <agateau> but it's in my plans to add support for indicators to Quassel
[14:53] <ScottK> agateau: Yes, but if upstream didn't want it, then I'd have been grumpy about us having a diff to maintain, so this is good.
[14:54] <agateau> ScottK: true, we don't want you to be grumpy :)
[14:58] <ScottK> Someone should talk to ZaReason and let them know we'll have a special netbook edition.
[15:01] <apachelogger> +1
[15:06] <apachelogger> smarter: ping ping ping
[15:06] <smarter> pong³
[15:06] <smarter> (and hi)
[15:07] <apachelogger> didn't you write some khtml-adblock-enhancement-patch or something?
[15:08] <smarter> at some point I tried to prevent it from going wild when presented with some lines
[15:08] <smarter> but it didn't work :p
[15:09] <smarter> what are you looking at?
[15:09] <apachelogger> bug 372379
[15:09] <apachelogger> but now I found fancy shit
[15:09] <apachelogger> http://tfischernet.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/automatic-adblock-filter-list-updates-in-konqueror/
[15:09] <smarter> ooh
[15:09] <smarter> fancy indeed
[15:11] <smarter> we probably can safely apply that(and poke upstream to apply it)
[15:12] <apachelogger> hm, the fact that the khtml code is using so many indents makes me question it's speed
[15:12] <apachelogger> anyway
[15:12] <apachelogger> we need to ambush dfaure
[15:13] <apachelogger> smarter: you lure him in here, then ScottK and moi can throw patches at him
[15:13] <smarter> heh :p
[15:13] <smarter> what patches?
[15:13] <apachelogger> then hopefully he applies em all before short term memory loss from the thrown patches appears
[15:14] <davmor2> Riddell: there's an issue here for pitti when he gets back :)
[15:14] <apachelogger> the ultimate crime
[15:14] <apachelogger> muhahahaa
[15:14] <apachelogger> smarter: the ones for that filter crap
[15:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just catch Riddell when he's tired and get him to apply them.
[15:14] <davmor2> Riddell: Jockey on live cd see's my broadcom wifi and nvidia gfx.  But the installed system doesn't
[15:15] <apachelogger> disclaimer: Riddell is mostly tired and thus mostly happily applies patches and sponsors uploads, not always though
[15:16] <smarter> bbl
[15:16] <Riddell> and I still can't work out how to do a backport :(
[15:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: applying it is not the problem, I just don't want the konqueror dudes coming down on us like a ton of bricks
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: tried --help?
[15:16]  * apachelogger doesn't like new stuff that is not documented
[15:16] <Riddell> I think it's broken
[15:16]  * ScottK thought apachelogger specialized in new stuff that is not documented
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: so undocumented and broken?
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should just do a manual backport?
[15:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, so it can become old and documented ... ohloh sez my sources are among the best documented ones :D
[15:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you planning on respinning for the kdebase-workspace fix?
[15:18] <Riddell> ScottK: no too late
[15:19] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I was just suprised you uploaded it.
[15:19] <Riddell> well it's there for people once they've installed (and found a way to get on the network)
[15:21] <ScottK> OK
[15:21] <ScottK> We need more netbook testers please.
[15:21] <ryanakca> ScottK: I can test in virtualbox, but I don't own a netbook
[15:22] <ScottK> ryanakca: Sounds good.
[15:22] <ScottK> davmor2: Can you do any Kubuntu Netbook?
[15:23] <ryanakca> ScottK: Just put up a list of things you want tested and I'll get to it
[15:24]  * apachelogger falls off his chair because of lunchpad's incredible speed
[15:24] <ScottK> ryanakca: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2875 <- Anything with None is needed.
[15:25] <apachelogger> I am wondering, why would we need install tests?
[15:25] <apachelogger> I mean, for the netbook in specific
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Making sure all the screens fit for one.
[15:26] <apachelogger> but do we need each install type for that?
[15:27] <ScottK> Yes.  Different screens
[15:27] <ryanakca> ScottK: first things first. Where's the Ubiquity icon to install it?
[15:27] <ScottK> Maybe not all of them each milestone
[15:27] <ScottK> Crap.  I thought we fixed that.
[15:27] <apachelogger> I did too
[15:27] <ScottK> Right, it wouldn't be there on plasma-netbook.
[15:27] <apachelogger> right
[15:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: known bug, click binocular icon and search for install
[15:27] <apachelogger> all the fixing for nothing
[15:27] <apachelogger> muahaha
[15:29] <ScottK> We really need someone with Windows to try Wubi with netbook.  It didn't work at all in Alpha 3 and has allegedly been fixed.
[15:30] <ryanakca> Also, another thing. How do I switch between windows? The two cascaded windows icon in the top left corner leads me to believe that it should do something, let me pick an application, but clicking on it leads nowheres.
[15:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: alt-tab works
[15:31] <ryanakca> I'll move to -netbook
[15:34] <maco> ok. i haz kde svn access now
[15:34] <Riddell> yay for maco!
[15:34] <ScottK> Kewl
[15:35]  * apachelogger thinks that maco could push the ad block patches :P
[15:43] <Nightrose> yay maco - congrats!
[15:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did we get a course of action on bug 91724
[15:50]  * Nightrose looks
[15:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmm why is win+c not working?
[15:53]  * Nightrose doesn't understand from the messy bugreport
[15:53]  * apachelogger doesn't either
[15:53] <apachelogger> might not be set upstream at all?
[15:54]  * Nightrose can't find out as she's not at home and doesn't have a current amarok there either
[15:54] <ScottK> PPA version of the workspace changes is installing here now.
[15:54] <Nightrose> can you ask in dev?
[15:54] <maco> is there a way i could set it up so that my keyboards "Pause/Break" button acts as pause in Amarok, even when Amarok's not focused?
[15:55] <Nightrose> maco: yes set them in shortcuts dialog as global shortcuts
[15:56] <freeflying> ScottK: I'm downloading kubuntu-netbook, will give you feedback later
[15:58] <maco> Nightrose: ok. and thats in keyboard, not input actions..
[15:58] <Nightrose> you can access it from within amarok
[15:58] <Nightrose> it's in one of the last menus
[15:59]  * Nightrose goes back to QTreeView fighting
[15:59] <ScottK> freeflying: Great.  It's still a bit rough, but one can begin to get the idea.
[15:59] <ScottK> Still no knetworkmanager love here.
[16:01] <freeflying> ScottK: its been ported to kde4?
[16:02] <maco> freeflying: yeah and then nm 0.8 broke it and then asac fixed it
[16:04] <asac> ScottK: so you say workspace didnt fix it?
[16:06] <ScottK> asac: No.
[16:07] <ScottK> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/252572/
[16:07] <ScottK> freeflying: Yes, it's KDE4, but not working so well at the moment.
[16:07] <ScottK> At least not with bcmwl
[16:08] <ScottK> asac: That's the spew from NetworkManager --no-daemon
[16:08] <asac> ScottK: so maybe the knetworkmanager patch wasnt applied either?
[16:08]  * ScottK looks
[16:08] <asac> those messages are exactly the symptom i fixed ;)
[16:08] <asac> e.g. uuid bustage
[16:10] <ScottK> LP is slow to give me the build log.
[16:13] <ScottK> asac: Build log says the patch was applied
[16:13] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30273312/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.3.0-0ubuntu7%7Eppa1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[16:13] <davmor2> ScottKI can now I'm back but it wont be for a minute or two
[16:14]  * ScottK installed and then rebooted to be sure he was using the new package.
[16:16] <asac> ScottK: so _with_ the workspace update you need the latest trunk for knetworkmanager as well
[16:16] <ScottK> btw, for those of you having bluetooth troubles with kdebluetooth, blueman is a Gnome applet and drags a huge amount of stuff in, but actually works.
[16:17] <ScottK> asac: Where's that?
[16:17] <asac> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/
[16:17] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ I suppose you ought to go ahead and upload that for the same reason you did -workspace.
[16:17] <ScottK> asac: Not packaged yet?
[16:18] <asac> ScottK: i dont know. i thought riddells upload would bump both to latest
[16:18] <asac> but apparently not ;)
[16:18] <ScottK> OK.
[16:18]  * ScottK waits for Riddell to solve it then.
[16:18] <ScottK> Back to $WORK.
[16:19] <asac> i will check in a few minutes
[16:19] <asac> just need to get the laptop
[16:21] <Riddell> I added the uuid patch to plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[16:22] <davmor2> ScottK: gnome-bluetooth is better still but probably pulls even more in
[16:28] <asac> Riddell: the patch alone wasnt enough if you bumped the workspace. anyway. i will check that after taking a quick break
[16:35] <ryanakca> Is the installer KDE3 or 4?
[16:36] <Riddell> it's kDE 4
[16:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, *files a bug*, it appears as KDE3 in krunner
[16:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: huh?  how?
[16:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kne-kde3.png
[16:42] <apachelogger> lol
[16:43]  * apachelogger updates his ubiquity branch
[16:43] <Riddell> hum, where does that come from?
[16:44] <apachelogger> 50 bucks that the desktop file is in applications/kde3/
[16:44] <apachelogger> ubiquity-frontend-kde: /usr/share/applications/kde/ubiquity-kdeui.desktop
[16:45] <apachelogger> apparently krunner is much more inteligent than one would imagine
[16:46] <apachelogger> ryanakca: did you already file a bug?
[16:49] <apachelogger> ...
[16:50] <apachelogger> I got a fix ready for bzr ci, just need to know if it should fix a BR :S
[16:50] <bmunger> i filed a bug  8 days ago and it hasnt been looked at yet
[16:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: no, not filed yet
[16:50] <apachelogger> ok
[16:50]  * apachelogger commits
[16:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ok, I'll pass on the bug
[16:51] <apachelogger> bmunger: sure it has, otherwise it wasnt invalid
[16:51] <bmunger> but it hasnt been touched
[16:52] <yuriy> lol @ ubottu
[16:54] <bmunger> Bug #409492
[16:54] <apachelogger> pfff, ubottu gets all the credit, even though only by me it became fun :S
[16:58] <apachelogger> good thing I am not in ubuntu-installer
[16:58] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:58] <apachelogger> abomination
[16:58] <ScottK> bmunger: It works here
[16:58] <apachelogger> eventually I should just upload post-freeze and screw up their bzr log
[16:58] <apachelogger> muahaha
[17:01] <ghostcube> hello peoples
[17:01] <bmunger> ScottK, yes other people say it works too, but why does it not work on two different machines fully updated?
[17:01] <ryanakca> Should by bugs be 'affects ubuntu/ubiquity' or 'affects ubuntu/ubiquity-frontend-kde' when testing ISOs?
[17:01] <ryanakca> s/by/my/
[17:02] <bmunger> ScottK, i use it all the tiem on my kubuntu 9.04 system
[17:06] <lex79> apachelogger: I have to use debcommit -R -r instead bzr commit -m "bla bla bla" ?
[17:06] <apachelogger> lex79: no debcommit
[17:06] <apachelogger> the uploader has to issue debcommit -R -r
[17:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: Is the fixing of bug 148715 a regression?
[17:07] <apachelogger> lex79: -R -r will use "releasing 0.2.3-0ubuntu1" as commit message and create a tag for that version,  in case you want to remember that until you are motu ;-)
[17:07] <ScottK> bmunger: No idea.
[17:08] <ryanakca> Surprising how long testing a single iso image can take...
[17:09] <ScottK> bmunger: If I were you I'd suggest running akrogator from a konsole window and see if it spits any interesting error messages
[17:10] <apachelogger> my guess would be on wrong network status information which makes akregator not even try
[17:12] <asac> ScottK: did you put the workspace patch-applied package somewhere?
[17:12] <lex79> apachelogger: ah ok I'll remember :)
[17:13] <ScottK> asac: In my PPA.
[17:13] <ScottK> ~kitterman
[17:15] <lex79> ScottK: did you upload soprano-backend-sesame ?
[17:15] <ScottK> lex79: I did not.
[17:15] <lex79> ok
[17:15] <ScottK> I got stopped by the archive mess up that Riddell has since fixed.
[17:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: it should get sorted out with the slideshow stuff
[17:17] <lex79> yes, I read now...source in multiverse and binary in universe :)
[17:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: So I can pass on the bug report?
[17:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: add a comment saying it's pending the slideshow I guess
[17:20] <Mamarok> seele: Happy Birthday! *hugs* and *kisses*
[17:20] <seele> Mamarok: yaay! thanks!
[17:21] <bmunger> ScottK, it doesn't.  i have tried that as well
[17:21] <Mamarok> seele: you share a birthday with a friend of mine from ubuntu-ops, Myrtti
[17:22] <apachelogger> I don't get bug 351874
[17:22] <apachelogger> isn't the gtkrc set via an env var?
[17:22] <apachelogger> if so, shouldn't this be preserved by kdesudo?
[17:23] <bmunger> it happens to me too
[17:23] <Riddell> it may well clean out the environment variables
[17:23] <apachelogger> hm
[17:23] <apachelogger> then IMHO kdesudo should probably preserve that one :D
[17:23] <asac> ok confirmed that knetworkmanager archive + workspace from kitterman doesnt work ... but thats expected
[17:24] <asac> let me build a fresh trunk without any hacks inside for nm
[17:24] <asac> (my hacked tree worked with kitterman workspace)
[17:25] <bmunger> ScottK, this is the messages it outputs but it doesnt seem like an error http://paste.ubuntu.com/252605/
[17:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose either kdesudo preservs that particular env var, or we patch kapplication to set it, which obsoletes the startkde stuff all together
[17:27] <ScottK> JFTR, the -worspace in my PPA should be what Riddell uploaded, but with a less pretty changelog
[17:27] <ScottK> bmunger: Yes.  All normal
[17:28] <asac> ScottK: ok so just add the trunk diff to the knetworkmanger package from the revision currently used to latest trunk commit
[17:28] <asac> i would suggest to do a new orig.tar.gz with the snapshot info inside though
[17:28] <asac> but if kubuntu usually adds patches thats your way ;)
[17:29] <ScottK> For an svn snapshot, that's what we'd to
[17:29] <ScottK> to/do
[17:29] <ScottK> For the released -workspace a patch is more usual.
[17:29] <asac> ScottK: you mean add patch or use a 4.3.0+svnXXXX orig?
[17:30] <asac> ok
[17:30] <ScottK> Will do in a bit.  Doing $WORK right now.
[17:33] <apachelogger> what do we think about bug 262924
[17:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't know if you caught it in the backscroll, but I did hit a 'works in firefox, but not arora' site last night.  It was the bulk picture uploader (flash based) at snapfish.com.
[17:45] <Riddell> logging into revu is similarly broken for me
[17:58] <lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-runner-amarok
[17:58] <apachelogger> amok
[18:00] <apachelogger> lex79: did I revu that already?
[18:00] <lex79> yes
[18:00] <apachelogger> what did I complain about?
[18:00]  * apachelogger should add comments :D
[18:01] <apachelogger> bug #349165
[18:02] <lex79> well, the problem was .hg directory, it disappears in this version (0.6)
[18:02] <apachelogger> anything else?
[18:02] <apachelogger> anyway
[18:02] <apachelogger> looks good now
[18:02] <lex79> I added amarok to depends
[18:02] <apachelogger> someone please find out why the send comment button of revu looks like crap in konqueror
[18:03] <apachelogger> pretty pretty please
[18:04] <lex79> btw, I uploaded to LP a new version of rekonq :)
[18:04] <lex79> launchpad bug 413169
[18:09]  * apachelogger doesn't wanna revu updates outside of revu
[18:09] <apachelogger> too much of a PITA
[18:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: suggestions on how to get rid of the battery applet on PCs?
[18:34]  * apachelogger finds it rather stupid having it sit in the panel and waste space until poor user removes it manually
[18:40] <apachelogger> I am just wondering when kopete will support emotes from icon theme
[18:40]  * apachelogger thinks he has a package somewhere which makes the emotes from oxygen go with the scheme kopete uses
[18:42] <apachelogger> or maybe not anymore
[18:42] <apachelogger> gotta go
[19:06] <tester_> ScottK: Hello just testing quassel
[19:06] <ScottK> Hello tester_
[19:06] <tester_> my god the text is monsterous
[19:06] <ScottK> Needs a new setting
[19:07] <ScottK> Due to the just landed styling changes.
[19:07] <ScottK> You can fix that in the setting menu
[19:08] <davmor2> ScottK: the text around quassel is fine it's just in the main text window it's bloody huge.  The name and input text feels right for the size of display
[19:08] <ScottK> Yep.  That's the exact one I noticed too
[19:09] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^ Is that something you'll fix?
[19:10] <Sput> ScottK: I think the default stylesheet shouldn't set the point size of the font, and maybe even not specify a font at all (in which case the default app font would be used)
[19:10] <ScottK> OK
[19:10] <Sput> does that sound like it makes sense?
[19:10] <ScottK> Yes
[19:10] <Sput> we're currently setting the font to Monospace and the size to I believe 10pt
[19:11] <Sput> but yeah, I think that should go.
[19:13] <davmor2> Sput, ScottK: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/quassel.png I think
[19:13] <Sput> fixed.
[19:14] <Sput> just curious, what is your standard font size?
[19:14] <Sput> just because 10pt shouldn't be *that* large on a normal setup :)
[19:15] <ScottK> Sput: It even says 7 point when you open the preference window (and setting it to 7 again makes it smaller)
[19:16] <tester_> hello
[19:16] <Sput> ScottK: yeah, the settings dialog starts with your default font, not with the one that was set in the stylesheet (yet another reason to get rid of that setting)
[19:18] <ScottK> Sput: So why is that section the only part sized differently?
[19:19] <davmor2> ScottK: take a look at krandr taskbar open it up and note the tiniest rectangle in the world to display :)
[19:19] <Sput> ScottK: because the default stylesheet said ChatLine { font: 10pt Monospace } :)
[19:19] <Sput> I fixed it now
[19:19] <ScottK> Sput: Cool.
[19:20] <Sput> just removing this should make Quassel use your default system font
[19:20] <ScottK> davmor2: So that one's fix committed upstream.
[19:21] <ScottK> davmor2: krandrtray seems normal here
[19:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I put https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma to be linked from the Alpha 4 release notes.
[19:22] <davmor2> ScottK: it works fine it just had a tiny display.  Once I made it full screen and split the display 50 50 it looks okay now
[19:24] <davmor2> I'm on about the lvds1 green box in the right hand portion of the window by the way which is now clearer after enlarging it
[19:26] <ScottK> Oh.  I see that
[19:29] <davmor2> ScottK: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/krandr.png
[19:29] <davmor2> if you then open it full screen and split the bottom window 50-50 it's then usable
[19:29] <ScottK> davmor2: Tried it again and got the same.  Please file a bug.
[19:29] <ScottK> With the screenshot
[19:30] <davmor2> ScottK: np's
[19:30] <txwikinger_work> ScottK: I will look at the ichthux stuff on the weekend if that is ok
[19:31] <ScottK> txwikinger_work: Great
[19:31]  * txwikinger_work is busy building 250 IBM blades
[19:31] <txwikinger_work> nice pieces of equipment... 96GB of RAM
[19:36] <ScottK> I need to get back to $WORK, but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha4/Kubuntu still has a bunch of Alpha 3 references.  Someone perhaps could go over it.
[19:41] <ScottK> Riddell: It'd probably be handy to add something in there about agateau's notification unification work.
[19:47] <davmor2> ScottK: most other things seem to be okay-ish.  I've made out a bug for krandr and added the 2 screenshots before and after for comparison
[19:47] <ScottK> davmor2: Great.
[19:48] <ScottK> Upstream has already said they plan to use our bugs as a work list for plasma-netbook
[19:49] <davmor2> ScottK: Oh well in that case I'll have a proper look over the weekend for you :)
[19:50] <ScottK> davmor2: Reading some of the link in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma would probably help make sure you understand where it's headed and what needs bugs filed.
[19:50] <davmor2> ScottK: on the newspaper screen what is the big black rectangle it doesn't seem to do anything
[19:51] <ScottK> davmor2: rss reader
[19:51] <davmor2> ScottK: I'll have a read through that then.
[19:51] <ScottK> davmor2: It'd be handy to know if wubi installation at least works now.
[19:53] <davmor2> doesn't on anything else we think it might be grub2 that is the cause.  It installs the windows part but when you reboot you can't get past grub without the system rebooting
[19:53] <ScottK> Right, but before on KNE we couldn't even do the windows part.
[19:54] <ScottK> Up to no more broken than anything else would be progress
[19:55] <davmor2> I'll let you know.  I had a linux netbook and to install windows on it takes a while :( so I won't be doing it today
[19:58] <a|wen> ScottK: the alpha 4 page has been cleaned up a bit
[19:58] <ScottK> a|wen: Excellent
[19:59] <ScottK> davmor2: I think a wubi install of the netbook iso on any windows is an adequate test.  Doesn't have to be on an actual netbook
[20:03] <davmor2> ScottK: that I can do in no time :)
[20:03] <ScottK> Excellent
[20:05] <davmor2> 10 minutes to get xp on my test box + install time get back to you in about 20 minutes give or take
[20:17] <nixternal> shtylman: wow dude, ubiquity looks hot
[21:01] <a|wen> uhh... updating my KNE removes kde3 libs
[21:19] <Quintasan> hmm, what does akonadi microblog resource does?
[21:20] <yuriy> presumably stores data for microblogging?
[21:58] <a|wen> two greatly missing features in KNE; seeing which applications is open... and shutting down / logging out?!
[22:01] <apachelogger> sounds about right
[22:04]  * a|wen thought he was going crazy and is greatly relieved
[22:05] <DaskreeCH> You had already left crazy?
[22:09] <micmord> a|wen: i filed two bug reports in plasma-netbook about missing features
[22:11] <a|wen> DaskreeCH: well luckily ctrl+alt+f1 worked to issue "sudo poweroff" ;)
[22:11] <a|wen> micmord: great ... hopefully very high on the list already
[22:11] <DaskreeCH> :-)
[22:25] <ScottK> a|wen: Touching the power button brings up the logout/shutdown dialogue.  Still needs more work though
[22:27] <a|wen> ScottK: ahh, i'll remember that ... looks pretty slick though; we are definitely going in the right direction
[22:28] <ScottK> a|wen: If you have some coding time, upstream is very interested in contributions.
[22:28]  * a|wen waves his totally non-existing C++ skills :/
[22:30] <DaskreeCH> Oy! There are laws against doing that in public!
[22:30] <a|wen> ScottK: another thing ... we should look into default font settings for gtk-apps like openoffice (do we know if that is possible?)
[22:31] <ScottK> Dunno.  Good idea.
[22:34] <a|wen> DaskreeCH: oh no, not laws; has been a bad day for that :/ ...  his governmen is kicking hunted people home to almost certain death (cause so is the law, they say), and people demonstrating against it is being run-over by the police :(
[22:36] <DaskreeCH> Governemnt andlaw sometimes have very little to do with each other
[22:37] <a|wen> very true
[22:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Different *rc files for plasma-netbook than plasma-desktop so it's probably a KNDS issue to provide the battery widget hint.
[22:46] <a|wen> apachelogger: regarding the battery-widget on desktops ... possible to run a kconf-update (or the like) on first start of KDE using the output from laptop-detect
[22:52] <apachelogger> a|wen: that sounds sensible I suppose, fancy implementing it? :)
[22:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, but, now, but yes, for plasma-netbook the rc would be much more complex, also generally the shell itself should load the battery widget
[22:53] <apachelogger> that is what plasma-desktop does by default
[22:53] <ScottK> True
[22:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: sure, i can look at it ... any fancy kconf scripts to use as inspiration?
[22:58] <apachelogger> a|wen: I think we have one in python for the kwin settings removal
[22:58] <apachelogger> a|wen: otherwise you could use anything in the konf_update folder as inspiration
[22:58] <apachelogger> I suppose you just need to pass the file through the script and add an appropriate section if device is laptop
[23:00] <a|wen> or if we have it in the default file ... remove it if it is not a laptop
[23:00] <a|wen> but thx ... i'll give it a go
[23:03] <DaskreeCH> Does it make sense to package http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/containments/ ?
[23:30] <Riddell> revu wanted http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zanshin
[23:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: ./src/kdateedit.cpp: LGPL (v2 or later)
[23:32] <apachelogger> ./src/kdatepickerpopup.cpp: LGPL (v2 or later)
[23:32] <apachelogger> otherwise good
[23:33] <Riddell> drat and blast
[23:34] <apachelogger> Mario Bensi <nef@ipsquad.net> also claims copyright on quite some files ... besides the two from above having more copyright holders than ervin
[23:37] <Riddell> do we care about the new new machine readable copyright format?
[23:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: not really, though I find it easier to read
[23:39] <apachelogger> also by humans
[23:39] <apachelogger> default copyright got a quite crappy formatting
[23:43] <nellery> Riddell: I see a missing copyright for 2008-2009 Mario Bensi <nef@ipsquad.net>
[23:50] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zanshin updated
[23:50] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/karmic-alpha-4 published
[23:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: complete copy of the lgpl missing + it should be License: GPL-2 | GPL-3 + underneath you need a licnese text
[23:53] <apachelogger> see http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat#StandaloneLicenseSection
[23:54] <apachelogger> license text can be
[23:54] <apachelogger> http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat#StandaloneLicenseSection
[23:54] <apachelogger> eh
[23:54] <apachelogger>  On Debian systems the full text of the GNU General Public License can be found
[23:54] <apachelogger>  in the `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' file.
[23:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: "NOTE: THIS PAGE IS NOT CURRENT"
[23:57] <Riddell> NOTE: THIS PAGE IS NOT CURRENT uses "or" not "|"
[23:57] <nellery> Riddell: zanshin-0.1+svn1006410/src/actionduedatedelegate.*:   Copyright 2008 Thomas Thrainer <tom_t@gmx.at>
[23:57] <nellery> missing too
[23:57] <Riddell> nellery: you don't need to list every copyright holder
[23:58] <nellery> ok