=== asac__ is now known as asac [00:57] yay, all 5 CDs working for me [01:19] can someone upload this? launchpad bug 412786, thanks [01:19] Launchpad bug 412786 in soprano-backend-sesame "New upstream release soprano-backend-sesame 2.3.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412786 [01:24] Riddell: the ubiquity stuff get straightened out I take it? [01:27] shtylman: yes [01:28] although the fix is suspiciously small [01:28] thats a bad thing? [01:29] * shtylman is looking at the fix....why does it look like such a hack? [01:30] How can soprano-sesame-backend be source multiverse, binary universe? [01:31] shtylman: I'm just not sure how it needed lots of changes on the gtk side and very little on kde side [01:31] ScottK: nope, it's non free and multiverse is where it goes [01:31] maybe the way I was already supporting/handling the timezones? [01:31] Riddell: Right, but then how can the binaries be free? [01:31] does it work now? [01:32] soprano-backend-sesame | 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 | karmic/multiverse | source [01:32] soprano-backend-sesame | 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 | karmic/universe | amd64, i386 [01:33] hum, ythat's not right [01:36] Riddell: do we have a slideshow in this version? [01:38] Riddell: It's also that way in Jaunty. [01:38] NCommander: kdegames built on armel, so that's one fix verified. [01:39] ScottK: fixed [01:40] shtylman: no, shuld we? [01:40] my internet seems busted tonight, makes typiing hard [01:41] Riddell: What about Jaunty? [01:43] fixed that too [01:44] Cool. Didn't know we could do that [01:44] * ScottK makes a note [01:46] Riddell: no idea...was just curious if we have made our own slides yet... [01:46] and you said the installer fix was too small...but does it actually work now? [01:46] in the correct ways? [01:47] yes as far as I've tested [01:47] which is English language in UK [01:47] ok..thats good to know...what had to change on the gtk side that we didn't have to do? [01:48] shtylman: dunno I didn't study7 the code much [01:49] gotcha [01:49] well...guess we will know if we get bug reports :) [01:53] so I think the reason the changes were a bit less for the kde side is because I was already doing the things they needed to add to the gtk side [01:53] like changing the map based on city change combo...and also had split off my own storage of regional based city lookup [01:54] I think I did all that long time ago when transitioning to the new timezone map for jaunty [02:44] * Daskreech waves [02:45] can KDM not logging in automatically in a licve CD be a paperkut? [02:47] ? that would be a bug [02:47] Riddell: I mean after logout [02:47] i.e. Boot up Live CD get a live environment with nopasswd sudo and a random passwd [02:48] Logout of Desktop -> GEt a Login screen with no possible way to login [02:49] and now they don't have the TTYs autologged in on bootup so the only thing that you can do is reboot the computer. Would be nice if you logout of the desktop after bootup it would pause on the login screen and then login atuomaticallu [02:49] s|llu|lly [02:50] KDM supports it so I think it would just be making that setting on bydefault. Timed Login I think it's set as [02:53] it should just not offer logout I'd say [02:53] :-p [02:54] I think that you know that there are quite a few ways to get logged out aside from pressing the logout button [02:54] and Why the arbritary restriction on not logging out ? [02:54] it's a live CD, why would you ever want to log out [02:55] You made a new user? [02:55] You installed drivers to get compositing ? [02:56] Something froze and you killed X? [02:56] alt+Sysreq+K [02:56] not the usual live CD use cases I'd have thought [02:56] Someone was impressed with the smooth transistion between the splash and the desktop and you wanted to show it off again? [02:57] ^^^ that one is :) [03:00] oh Riddell cool you are here I wanted to ask about the other desktop types. I read that there are three new desktop types? [03:02] how do you mean desktop types? [03:02] there's the netbook [03:02] one second [03:02] http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-43-early-preview/ [03:03] They mention a cluttered Desktop and blackboard desktop types [03:05] hmm, I don't seem to have them [03:06] not sure where they're hidden I'm afraid [03:06] let me look in the svn to see where they are [03:07] Riddell: are we still interested in having a kubuntu-ultimate package ? [03:07] Daskreech: what's that? [03:07] A one package that will install all the KDE stuff settings we would ship if we had a infinite size CD [03:07] So the wallpapers the plasma addons the runners etc [03:08] hmm, well there is already kde-full [03:09] oh? [03:09] * Daskreech walks to look at it [03:11] we still want the meta pacakge of all plasma widgets done [03:13] ScottK, w00t [03:13] hi NCommander, are you to thank for qt compiling on all arches? [03:14] Riddell, thank infinity, he was the one who reinstalled the buildds to use jaunty. [03:14] Riddell, (I simply did some debugging on it, but he's the real hero) [03:15] what difference does that make? [03:16] moodin is KDE3 right? [03:16] yes [03:17] No replacement for KDE4 as yet? [03:18] well the new ksplash is much better [03:19] moodin was a splash creator as I understand? [03:19] So you can make things now for ksplash much easier? [03:19] probably not but the end result is better [03:22] Riddell, don't ask [03:22] Riddell, something about running a karmic chroot on a lenny base causes Bad Mojo(tm) to happen [03:22] we use lenny? [03:22] used [03:23] ok [03:23] We didn't have Ubuntu armel when the port was bootstrapped ;-) [03:23] So the buildds have been running lenny until very recently [03:23] I wonder if we should look into arm images for kubuntu netbook one day [03:23] Riddell, the lack of graphics acceleration ATM is going to hurt [03:23] would probably need someone to have hardware to test it on too I suppose, details details [03:24] * NCommander won't run KDE on any machine that can't do accelerated graphics [03:24] works fine on my machine with crappy S3 video card [03:25] You still have 2D accelaration on that thing [03:26] When /dev/fb0 is all you got, you are hurting [03:26] (granted, the situation may be better w/ 4.3 vs. 4.2) [03:36] ok plasma has me mighty confused via the source :) [03:38] http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.3/kdebase/workspace/plasma/containments/ [03:39] I'm looking for where to go from there [03:55] anyone here use eric for doing python work? [03:57] nixternal: Want to help me with a little hunt :) [03:57] what's up? [03:59] I'm trying to find the folderview contatinment in the svn [03:59] containment [04:02] Daskreech: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps/plasma/applets/folderview/ [04:15] nixternal: That's an applet I want the containment === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve [04:45] NCommander and Riddell: Seems to me that plasma-netbook runs a lot faster than regular plasma-desktop. It might actually work on armel. Certainly better than desktop. Once plasma-netbook gets a little more complete it'd probably make sense to swap the Kubuntu Desktop armel ISO for a netbook one. We had armel testers in Jaunty, so we can probably get them again. [05:17] nixternal: home :) [05:27] ryanakca and Riddell: snapfish.com flash based bulk photo uploader works in Firefox and not in Konqueror/Arora. [05:51] I think that we may not want the kde-full == kubuntu-full === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [07:40] txwikinger_work: Looks like ichtux-desktop needs some updating. [07:41] txwikinger_work: gtk-qt-engine and gtk-qt-engine-kde4 are nbs and not removed due to it. [07:56] can we install Goolg gadgets support in Kubuntu ? [07:56] Google [07:58] Need Firefox for that. [08:13] ScottK: Serious? [08:21] a user in #ubuntu today demonstrated https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/99740 with dolphin [08:21] Launchpad bug 99740 in firefox-3.1 "[MASTER] Firefox problems with desktop-effects" [Undecided,Fix released] [08:21] as in, dolphin was fullscreen and no way to leave full screen except to switch from compiz to metacity [08:22] only commonality i know between dolphin and ff is: c++ [08:22] that seems silly [08:23] They were using compiz ith Dolphin ? [08:23] with [08:24] DaskreeCH: That's what I've been told. [08:24] yes [08:24] ScottK: Ugh. [08:24] gnome user who likes dolphin [08:26] maco: Sounds like abugin Compiz === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [11:38] Whats the actual name of the ublog plasmoid please [11:40] should the the ublog app show what the people you're following are saying? [12:04] davmor2: twitter [12:04] it shows a feed of friends but I've never quite worked out which [12:05] Riddell: Yes twitter I can't even see that [12:57] davmor2: is knetworkmanager working for you in the kubuntu installs? [12:59] Riddell: It worked on the 2 wubi installs I just did as I connected to the web and ublog and amarok to magnatunes [12:59] Riddell: I can try a cd install after [13:00] that's fine, it's taken to not doing any action for me, which is a problem other people were showing me last week before the 0.8 change [13:00] not wubi sorry netboot [13:01] install method is unlikely to make a difference [13:01] davmor2: have your tried OEM recently? [13:04] Riddell: it failed chronically yesterday I can't see it being greatly improved today. However I am running an oem test currently on ubuntu alt [13:05] Is there somewheres on the daily CDs that shows the CD's date? At times I'm not sure which CD is which... [13:05] oh well, thanks for trying [13:07] ryanakca: how are you downloading them? [13:08] davmor2: rsync. [13:14] ryanakca: you can check the md5sum [13:14] ryanakca: why do you have more than one iso then? [13:19] Riddell: bug 409966 ...possibly backport all new 2.0.3? [13:19] Launchpad bug 409966 in jaunty-backports "please backport kontrolpack 2.0.2-0ubuntu1 from karmic to jaunty" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409966 [13:20] apachelogger: oh aye. I keep forgetting the magic new backport commands is the trouble [13:20] I see :) [13:21] davmor2: burned CDs? [13:48] hrm, is this qualifying for a paperkut? in dolphin, when I use a sftp:// address, it asks if I want to save the password (i do). if I use a smb:// address it does not ask, and I still do... [13:50] gah, I am off from #kubuntu a while, that Guest80840 chap is going on my nerves [13:51] how's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha4/Kubuntu [13:51] Mamarok: seems that problem solved itself :) [13:51] jussi01: could you have a look there? now somebody tells people to use OS X... [13:52] Mamarok: Im only vaguely here... [13:52] jussi01: If it has an easy solution, then I think it could be a paperkut. [13:53] ScottK: yeah, I just dont know if its an easy solution, hence Im asking here ;) [13:55] Tonio knows the most about the smb stuff here, I think. [13:58] gah, now he is spreading lies in #kde [13:58] Riddell: could yu have a look there? >I am not Nepomuk/Strigi proof enough [13:59] you* even [14:01] nepmuk is a lie :P [14:02] i assume that no news is good news wrt knetworkmanager + kubuntu alpha4? [14:03] Riddell: ? [14:04] well, that guy pretends he can't stop it, and that is a blatant lie [14:04] asac: it's working for our hard working tester davmor2, I'm seeing another bug where it doesn't start the connection at all, but I also had people report that when using NM 0.7 so it's an older issue [14:04] asac: I is just about to do another kubuntu run so I can confirm shortly [14:04] Riddell: ok as long as basic stuff works its good and better than before [14:05] so 0.7.1 worked wrt to the fix we landed [14:05] but the last uploads we had in the archive should already have been broken simiarly [14:05] Riddell: is this uploaded to a PPA somewhere? [14:05] Riddell: you sure those have workspace properly upgraded too? [14:05] davmor2: what should work is probably wired + wifi open,wep and wpa-psk [14:05] rgreening: is what? [14:05] also would be interesting to test wpa-EAP [14:06] but i guess you dont have such an AP at hand? [14:06] asac: I don't no [14:06] I think mine does that [14:06] ok ... unless we know that i would think its a mismatch still [14:07] apachelogger: not for now. but we should definitly try the various enterprise options [14:07] asac: no I have 2 wireless one of which is a fon so has wep and open and my personal one which is wpa -psk I think [14:07] which was always pretty broken for knetworkmanager ... and which i wanted to see improved this cycle finally [14:07] *nod* [14:07] Riddell: knetwork managler :) [14:07] rgreening: it's in the main karmic archive [14:07] birthday hug for seele! [14:08] * apachelogger birthdayhugs seele [14:08] apachelogger: i think you need to setup some radius server or something to make use of that. [14:08] oh... the updates you and asac are discussing has been uploaded to main? [14:08] yay hugs! [14:08] Konversation seems to create a "$HOME" directory in my home and puts the log in .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs there [14:08] apachelogger: in case you do that it would be great to get a brain dump on a wiki somewhere [14:08] * rgreening bear hugs seele *squish* [14:08] does it do that for anyone else? [14:08] happy birthday seele :) [14:08] rgreening: i am not sure. but i thought Riddell uploaded everything yesterday [14:08] smarter: there is a BR about that, jonny is on it AFAIK, the issue is in kds [14:09] okay [14:09] congrats seele! === dpm_ is now known as dpm [14:09] asac: I did, and it's on the alpha 4 CDs [14:09] hmm... my wireless never worked last night... [14:09] nice [14:09] smarter: yes that's the default settings [14:09] rgreening: which version of kdebase-workspace* ? [14:09] * seele thanks everyone [14:09] asac: checking... [14:09] * smarter just commited a crash fix to Konversation [14:09] I'll let someone else handle this bug :p [14:10] I suppose jonny already committed a fix [14:10] nh [14:10] a quickfix one might say [14:10] *nah [14:10] I'm on latest svn [14:10] I mean to kds [14:11] yus LogfilePath=.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs [14:11] oh, yes [14:11] I thought the konversation thing got fixed already [14:11] asac 4:4.3.0b-0ubuntu1~ppa1 [14:12] ScottK: UNRELEASED it sez [14:12] Ah [14:12] oh man.... that 'b' rev came from a PPA and the one in main doesn't have the 'b'... Riddell/asac.... [14:12] rgreening: Need get get the package from the archive. [14:12] rgreening: not sure if the ppa thing already has the fix [14:13] rgreening: at best downgraded to archive version for now [14:13] get rid of PPA versions [14:13] which got prepatched [14:13] asac and Riddell: no network detected here using the current archive packages. [14:13] if someone sees tonio, please poke him into not exceeding 80 characters per line in debian/changelog [14:13] dang... [14:13] about Arora: icefox has been working on wallet support for the last few days and should get it into master soon, I'll try to plug kwallet dbus api in that soon [14:13] oh, actually [14:13] ScottK: driver? [14:13] kwwii: [14:13] asac: bcmwl [14:13] kwwii: don't exceed 80 characters per line in debian/changelog :P [14:13] Works fine with ifup/ifdown [14:13] ScottK: i guess you dont have nm-applet installed so you can cross check if its an applet issue at all? [14:14] feels like its a driver thing ... killall wpa_supplicant and reload the driver might help you get up to speed ;) [14:14] asac: I don't, but I can switch back to /network/interfaces and get it. [14:14] OK [14:14] Doing a live cd test at the moment. I'll report back in a bit. [14:14] ScottK: yeah. you can manually connect to stuff even if scanning is broken ;)... thats how drivers are. but i dont want to rule out a applet bug [14:15] sure [14:16] but if someone says bcmwl my answer defaults to "driver" ;) [14:16] especially after suspend/resume its prone to go to bad state [14:16] reasonable [14:17] What's the package name for the gnome thing? [14:17] network-manager-gnome [14:17] Thanks [14:17] killall knetworkmanager; nm-applet [14:22] asac: nm-applet connects fine [14:23] ZaReason will have Ubuntu/Kubuntu netbook options :) [14:23] whee [14:23] rgreening: Link? [14:23] rgreening: ZaReason ? [14:23] http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/12/zareason-launches-ubuntu-linux-netbook/ [14:24] :) [14:24] I may buy one of those... after Karmic is fully baked [14:24] ScottK: symptoms for knetworkmanager are that you dont see any network at all? [14:24] asac: Yes [14:25] http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16216 [14:25] odd [14:25] This is also on Kubuntu Netbook, so I suppose if it works for other people, it's vaguely possible some plasma-netbook thing is breaking it. [14:26] hmm [14:26] rgreening: Do you see wireless APs with the Knm thing? [14:27] so when you dont see any ap in there, do you see the APs in nm-tool? [14:27] ScottK: I have to restart, since I had to install the archive packages (stupid PPA and archive were mismatched) [14:27] OK. Please let me know. [14:27] will do shortly... [14:27] * asac wonders if there is a certain AP that somehow causes knetworkmanager to choke [14:27] asac: I do see them (and connect) with the nm-applet [14:28] ok and switching back to knetworkmanager triggers the same symptoms? [14:28] * ScottK tries [14:30] lex79: when you commit to bzr, please just invoke debcommit, makes up way more useful messages :P [14:31] lex79: and if you feel like it, you can use uploaders to use debcommit -R -r, which will also createa useful message + add a tag :D [14:31] asac: It sees it now, but I still can't connect. I click on the network to connect and nothing happens. [14:32] thats the symptom we had before [14:32] I'm going to reboot to make sure it couldn't see it due to something being cached [14:32] i will verify the packages in archive after lunch [14:32] ScottK: those were the symptoms I was having all along [14:32] ScottK: you could do a killall NetworkManager and run NetworkManager --no-daemon [14:32] then wait till the output has stopped and start knetworkmanager [14:32] asac: check to see if the patches applied (missing quilt is a possibility) [14:33] asac: I'll remember that. I hit reboot already. [14:33] hehe [14:33] ScottK: that's the bug I have [14:33] ScottK: yeah. some messages go to console ... especially those about bad config elements sent to NM [14:33] so you will only see that in --no-daemon mode [14:33] ok [14:33] fortunately rebooting is much faster now [14:33] hehe [14:33] not for me ;) [14:34] it hangs for ages probing for a non existing fd0 ;) [14:34] lovely [14:34] i should file a bug as this seems to not go away ;) [14:35] It saw it after reboot. [14:35] It must have been some weirdness due to me switching from /etc/networking/interfaces [14:35] Riddell: your patch is really not applied ;) [14:35] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30229437/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.3.0-0ubuntu6_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [14:36] search for tu_92_networkmanager_branch.diff [14:36] its only in the changelog ;) [14:36] That'll do it. [14:36] yeah [14:36] i am sure. its the same symptom we (supposely) fixed [14:37] Yep, not in the series file [14:37] asac, Riddell: Bugger I need to install first I forgot about my crappy broadcom wifi in my laptop, to used the atheros in my netbook [14:37] Not there at all actually. [14:38] asac: ! [14:38] hehe [14:38] so i guess thats the reason [14:38] ok off for lunch [14:39] tomorrow i will take a swap day so talk to you on weekend or monday [14:39] asac: I'll leave you a note on what worked [14:39] davmor2: yeah. but wait for the patch to actually land ;) [14:39] without that it doesnt make much sense [14:39] wired will work [14:39] but wifi not [14:39] (i guess) [14:41] I'm gonna toss it into my ppa and see [14:41] so what's all this work going on with knetworkmanager? because it seems entirely nonfunctional to me [14:41] The patch was in bzr [14:41] yuriy: missing patch in kdebase-workspace. Just figured it out [14:41] sorry all, my afault [14:42] fix committed, will upload after testing [14:42] A fault ... like a class A failure ?;) [14:42] ok just kidding [14:42] * asac out [14:44] Riddell: Was there more fixing needed than what was in bzr already? [14:44] leaves the mystery of how it worked for davmor2 [14:44] ScottK: no just that patch added to debian/patches/series [14:44] Riddell: wired [14:44] ah [14:45] doesn't really work for me on wired. sure i have a connection, but the applet doesn't actually do anything [14:45] If you got a connection, it did do something [14:47] it lists all my network devices in the menu, some twice, with no useful information, clicking them doesn't do anything, and there is nothing listed in the manual configuration screen [14:47] ScottK: bug 358659 ... opinions about 1.? [14:47] Launchpad bug 358659 in kubuntu-default-settings "Default tab layout in Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358659 [14:47] ScottK: I tend to think that a maximum of content should be targeted everytime, and hiding the tabbar unless there are tabs seems like a sensible way to archive this [14:48] and no close buttons on tabs [14:49] I like close buttons on tabs [14:49] +1 [14:49] apachelogger: I think that both of those requests are enough opinion that will vary that we should not deviate from upstream. [14:49] ok [14:50] Any answer other than "we get it from upstream this way" is just one set of prefs over another. [14:50] So the bug needs upstreaming and should be answered there [14:51] agateau: The quassel devs are interested in indicator integration. You might give Sput a ping when you have a moment. [14:51] Riddell: the desktop is very clicky you get a click before any sound plays and then a click shortly after it has played [14:51] ScottK: great! [14:51] davmor2: blame sound people :) [14:52] ScottK: but this will probably have to wait a bit: I can't work on Quassel this week, and I am off next week [14:52] but it's in my plans to add support for indicators to Quassel [14:53] agateau: Yes, but if upstream didn't want it, then I'd have been grumpy about us having a diff to maintain, so this is good. [14:54] ScottK: true, we don't want you to be grumpy :) [14:58] Someone should talk to ZaReason and let them know we'll have a special netbook edition. [15:01] +1 [15:06] smarter: ping ping ping [15:06] pong³ [15:06] (and hi) [15:07] didn't you write some khtml-adblock-enhancement-patch or something? [15:08] at some point I tried to prevent it from going wild when presented with some lines [15:08] but it didn't work :p [15:09] what are you looking at? [15:09] bug 372379 [15:09] Launchpad bug 372379 in kubuntu-default-settings "Konqueror ships ancient EasyList blocklist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/372379 [15:09] but now I found fancy shit [15:09] http://tfischernet.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/automatic-adblock-filter-list-updates-in-konqueror/ [15:09] ooh [15:09] fancy indeed [15:11] we probably can safely apply that(and poke upstream to apply it) [15:12] hm, the fact that the khtml code is using so many indents makes me question it's speed [15:12] anyway [15:12] we need to ambush dfaure [15:13] smarter: you lure him in here, then ScottK and moi can throw patches at him [15:13] heh :p [15:13] what patches? [15:13] then hopefully he applies em all before short term memory loss from the thrown patches appears [15:14] Riddell: there's an issue here for pitti when he gets back :) [15:14] the ultimate crime [15:14] muhahahaa [15:14] smarter: the ones for that filter crap [15:14] apachelogger: Just catch Riddell when he's tired and get him to apply them. [15:14] Riddell: Jockey on live cd see's my broadcom wifi and nvidia gfx. But the installed system doesn't [15:15] disclaimer: Riddell is mostly tired and thus mostly happily applies patches and sponsors uploads, not always though [15:16] bbl [15:16] and I still can't work out how to do a backport :( [15:16] ScottK: applying it is not the problem, I just don't want the konqueror dudes coming down on us like a ton of bricks [15:16] Riddell: tried --help? [15:16] * apachelogger doesn't like new stuff that is not documented [15:16] I think it's broken [15:16] * ScottK thought apachelogger specialized in new stuff that is not documented [15:17] Riddell: so undocumented and broken? [15:17] Riddell: maybe we should just do a manual backport? [15:17] ScottK: yeah, so it can become old and documented ... ohloh sez my sources are among the best documented ones :D [15:18] Riddell: Are you planning on respinning for the kdebase-workspace fix? [15:18] ScottK: no too late [15:19] Riddell: OK. I was just suprised you uploaded it. [15:19] well it's there for people once they've installed (and found a way to get on the network) [15:21] OK [15:21] We need more netbook testers please. [15:21] ScottK: I can test in virtualbox, but I don't own a netbook [15:22] ryanakca: Sounds good. [15:22] davmor2: Can you do any Kubuntu Netbook? [15:23] ScottK: Just put up a list of things you want tested and I'll get to it [15:24] * apachelogger falls off his chair because of lunchpad's incredible speed [15:24]